New Details On GOTHAM's Lack Of Batman, The Joker's Introduction, Geoff Johns' Role And More

We didn't get any casting news at Fox's panel at the Television Critics Association press tour, but we do have a lot of new details about the series, including everything listed in the headline above and a whole lot more! "Gordon is the guy that creates Batman," says Bruno Heller...

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By Josh Wilding - 7/20/2014

Some fans are sceptical about Gotham, and based on many of the details below, fans who tune in for a Batman series are going to be disappointed. Instead, it looks set to be a crime drama with some familiar characters from the DC Comics, but that doesn't mean that we won't still have a lot to look forward to as they explore the city's early years. There are obviously a lot of familiar faces popping up in the pilot, and when asked how many more we'll see moving forwards, showrunner Bruno Heller cautioned that we won't necessarily see someone new every week. "You kind of have to frontload the pilot with the best you've got," says EP Bruno Heller. "As the show rolls on, we'll be far more careful with how we roll out the villains and in what way... These are the origin stories of these guys. The Penguin comes fully fledged since you have to show your best cards up front, but as we go on, a slower roll out." Talking of villains, the young actress who will play Selina Kyle (Camren Bicondova) said that while she's been busy researching the role, her character doesn't know that she’ll be Catwoman one day; all she knows is that she loves cats! Meanwhile, that rumour about The Joker has also been debunked as Heller revealed that while it won't be a weekly guessing game, they will still tease and play with his identity.

The first season of Gotham will also feature a superhero...Gotham itself! Heller was quick to point out that we won't be seeing Batman anytime soon, but did have a very interesting take on how Bruce Wayne eventually adopts that persona and Detective Jim Gordon's importance in that story. "Gordon is the moral linchpin of the show -- he's the guy that creates Batman, or gives Batman permission to exist in that world. This is the journey of a man who's very much about law and order to someone who accepts this dark vigilante. The stories will proliferate and the characters will proliferate, but Gordon will remain at the center." He added, "[It's a story of] how do you deal with crime of this level when there are no superheroes? When ordinary men and women are dealing with the struggle waiting for a savior. It's about men and women and not about superheroes and that's the more interesting story."

So, does that mean that we should expect a very different take on the Caped Crusader's origin story? Not exactly. "It's not a whole new mythology," he promised. "When so many stories [in the comics] are created, none of them can be constant with each other. We won't break the canonical iron truths of the Batman mythology, but issues of chronology, we will play with." Lead actor Ben McKenzie also had a very interesting take on those comments, describing Gotham as a series which will show the city devolving to the point where it needs someone like Bruce Wayne to don the cape and cowl and to fight alongside Jim Gordon. "It's how you get there that's the interesting journey -- a city that's going to fall into total disrepair and anarchy and need a vigilante [is fascinating]. It's noir, the structure that exists around him is so daunting that no single man is going to be able to overcome it." As a result, don't expect them to shy away from violence! "This is a crime story and crime is violence, essentially. We're all very aware that we're telling a crime story to a general audience, Fox is right on top of that and very aware of the type of audience they're trying to go for.. the benchmark of what is acceptable violence has risen, it's hard for any individual show to calibrate that," adds Heller. 

In some exciting news, Heller also revealed that he has consulted with Arrow and The Flash writer Geoff Johns. Does that mean we'll see a crossover between the three? Well, no, but it does mean that the comic book writer could contribute to Gotham at some point! "I've been talking to Geoff Johns at DC for some time, and Geoff and the rest of the guys have been part of this process from the beginning. When I talk about the canonical myth and what's inside it and what's outside it, they've been absolutely crucial... they've given us a lot of leeway and freedom to create. I'm hoping Geoff is going to be writing some episodes down the line. We talk about it constantly, which villains would be appropriate when and how." Other interesting details include the fact that the first season will revolve around the rise of The Penguin and his struggles with Fish Mooney, while the setting of the series will likely never be revealed. Instead, it has a mix of flip phones and retro cars in what is described as a "timeless world" which will see Batman exist in the present and make Gotham everyone's memory of the past and how the hero came to be. What do you guys think? Share your thoughts below!
Source: Variety
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Batmaniac - 7/20/2014, 11:46 AM
"Gordon is the moral linchpin of the show -- he's the guy that creates Batman, or gives Batman permission to exist in that world."

thebearjew - 7/20/2014, 11:46 AM
NO mother[frick]er! batman is created by his parents death that's when the bats born and everything else is self seficient independent
blackandyellow - 7/20/2014, 11:47 AM
I don't think Gordon actually creates Batman, but then again I'm not an idiot.
thebearjew - 7/20/2014, 11:48 AM
*highfives BatManiac
thebearjew - 7/20/2014, 11:54 AM
ya normal people dealing with struggles that's more interesting
dumb f*ck
that's called real life and no its not interesting its just sad
DrKinsolving - 7/20/2014, 11:56 AM
"he's the guy that creates Batman, or gives Batman permission to exist in that world."

DrKinsolving - 7/20/2014, 11:57 AM
This Bruno Heller guy is extremely annoying
ALegendaryPanda - 7/20/2014, 11:59 AM
I can't wait for this show to premiere!
Darth258 - 7/20/2014, 12:00 PM



Anyways... are they using Ivy Pepper as an alias or did they actually change Pamela Isley's name? Or are they pulling a stunt like Jimmy Olsen in Smallville where he was the older brother of the real Jimmy?
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 12:12 PM
This doesn't sound good at all.
Klone - 7/20/2014, 12:13 PM
Gordon creates... whaa--
Klone - 7/20/2014, 12:13 PM
I know what other film is heresy...
Steelers4190 - 7/20/2014, 12:14 PM
[frick] this show lol
GadoTheLion - 7/20/2014, 12:16 PM
well this looks like its going to be hot garbage.........atleast we still have Constantine and the flash to look forward to
Azazel1 - 7/20/2014, 12:22 PM
Show looks interesting .....

Has to better than agents of shield!!!
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 12:25 PM
@Azazel1
*Confirmed troll*
BasedThanos - 7/20/2014, 12:27 PM
WOW, the more of this show I see the more stupid and unnecessary it looks.
Gyasiman - 7/20/2014, 12:27 PM
"Gordon is the moral linchpin of the show -- he's the guy that creates Batman"

BasedThanos - 7/20/2014, 12:29 PM
Not to mention the ridiculous trailer where Gordon says "And we have to stop them"

WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T STOP SHIT thats why [frick]ing Batman exists and does the GCPD's job for them smfh -_-
0megaDaGod - 7/20/2014, 12:30 PM
@black&yellow

LMBAO!
soforizo - 7/20/2014, 12:32 PM
BatManiac responds:
DrunkenNukem - 7/20/2014, 12:36 PM
"I'm hoping Geoff is going to be writing some episodes down the line."

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MCUfan1 - 7/20/2014, 12:42 PM
What I dont understand is why are Batman's villians kids and teen? Why are they being mentioned anyway.
pesmerga44 - 7/20/2014, 12:43 PM
"It's how you get there that's the interesting journey -- a city that's going to fall into total disrepair and anarchy and need a vigilante [is fascinating]. It's noir, the structure that exists around him is so daunting that no single man is going to be able to overcome it."


So wait in only a course of 8-10 years Gotham is suppose to degrade into a cesspool of crime and government corruption. Gotham was always or at least well before Batman like that. Are you telling me Fish Mooney is suppose to be the reason Gotham becomes the way it is really Vivica A. Fox playing a character named Fish Mooney is suppose to make Gotham into the Crime and Corruption capital of the U.S. in the DC universe.
DrunkenNukem - 7/20/2014, 12:43 PM
So let me get this....Batman must exist because crime in Gotham is too big, part of it because Gotham PD was so corrupted by the crime lords and also because they are incompetent and lazy turds...

So...why would i watch a show about incompetent and lazy police officers?? i could just watch Reno 911 instead..
Destined - 7/20/2014, 12:45 PM
Show looks good and will be a hit. I'll be watching.
ComicsBornAndBred - 7/20/2014, 12:48 PM
I like the timeless world feel. BTAS was Rey retro in its appearance but Batman had some very somewhat futuristic tech. Seems like Gotham has an 80s look to it.
Chewtoy - 7/20/2014, 12:49 PM
What I got from that is that they plan to have Batman's villains predate him... He will eventually be a response to these villains, and not the other way around as is more traditional (I.e. Batman cleans up organized crime and more colorful criminals arise to challenge him).

It sucks, but confirms what we've all expected from the concept.
pesmerga44 - 7/20/2014, 12:49 PM
"Gordon is the moral linchpin of the show -- he's the guy that creates Batman"

It's cool guys really anyone that really knows Batman knows Gordon made Batman. Also that whole idea that Batman helped in the creation of his rogue gallery that is completely untrue because it was actually Gordon who made all of Batman's villains. Also the reason why Batman is such a great detective well in this show we learn Gordon makes Bruce into his honorary Jr. Detective and they go and solve crimes together. Hence why all of the promo's for this show feature little Bruce so much because he is Gordon's jr. detective partner.
SimpleeComplex - 7/20/2014, 1:07 PM
When you have to use so many words to justify why this show is even being conceived then you know you have a problem.
SimpleeComplex - 7/20/2014, 1:08 PM
@pers u got the wrong black woman. It's Jada Pinkett Smith playing Fish Mooney not Vivica Fox. Either way it sucks.
Nivekian - 7/20/2014, 1:09 PM
WTH is up with people rewritting something so pivotal, Gordon has ZERO TO TO WITH CREATING BATMAN!!! It's bad enough having him be there when his parents are killed, but now have him mentoring Bruce or some $#!t? No way. Doomed I tell ya, doomed.
goatman - 7/20/2014, 1:11 PM
Nope. Vivica is not doing that.

Jada Pinkett Smith is doing that.


Maybe there is hope for Watchmen Babies afterall...


AnthonyLantern - 7/20/2014, 1:15 PM
I love Geoff Johns, and pretty much everything he writes…except for his Batman. Don't let him write Batman anymore
RealDonaldBlake - 7/20/2014, 1:20 PM
Of the one hand we have five comic book based tv shows this upcoming fall season. On the other hand I'd prefer quality over quantity. Current ranking:
Arrow - and I'm a Marvel fan
Flash
AOS
Constantine
Gotham
TheRealMaxCady - 7/20/2014, 1:20 PM
Ivy Pepper?

DurtyTalynt - 7/20/2014, 1:22 PM
Away with this jest!!!!$
8thDynasty - 7/20/2014, 1:27 PM
There is so much WTF in these comments.

Vivica Fox? - no.

So many words to justify? - don't hurt yourself reading an interview.

"incompetent and lazy police officers"? - no. corrupt is the word you're looking for.

Hey Guys - remember when Arrow was first announced? Yeah, you all ran that in to the ground too.

"They changed a name?!"
"Who is John Diggle?!"
"He has a little sister?!"
"Where's his goatee?!"

Now you all are riding that show's dick.

Thats cool, keep judging before you've even seen it.

Personally I think it looks like a stylized reinterpretation of a piece of Batman lore that can be effectively "played with". And now that they've made the show, in effect, "timeless" is an awesome nod to the original BTAS.
TheRealMaxCady - 7/20/2014, 1:28 PM
"Gordon is the moral linchpin of the show -- he's the guy that creates Batman, or gives Batman permission to exist in that world."




blackandyellow - 7/20/2014, 1:30 PM
The best thing this show has going for it is that Fox has to have lowered expectations for their ratings since they can't expect to compete against Monday Night Football.
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