Andrew Kreisberg Talks ARROW/THE FLASH Crossover And How JUSTICE LEAGUE Impacts Them

Arrow and The Flash Executive Producer/Writer Andrew Kreisberg reveals new details about the upcoming crossover (it sounds like they'll be a lot more standalone than initially expected), how Warner Bros.' Justice League plans impacts both of the shows and more. Check it out!

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By Josh Wilding - 7/20/2014

The news that Arrow and The Flash would be crossing over as early as episode 8 in each of their respective seasons this year was met extremely well by fans. However, rather than a two-parter which when viewed together is equivalent to a TV movie, it sounds like a far more self contained experience! "When Felicity is in Episode 4 of The Flash, it will be Wentworth Miller’s first episode as Captain Cold," Andrew Kreisberg revealed in a recent interview with Collider about what exactly it is which brings each of the shows together.  "And then, both Episode 8 of Arrow and The Flash will be a two-part cross-over.  Not to toot our own horns, but I think we’ve designed it in a way that, if you’re not watching The Flash, you can just enjoy it from the Arrow perspective, where these crazy Flash people show up for an episode, and vice versa.  We don’t want to be brazen and assume that everybody is watching both shows.  Hopefully, they will be.  I think it’s one of those things where, if you’re not watching both shows, whichever show you’re watching, it will all make sense to you.  But at the same time, if you are watching both shows, you’re really gonna get a fun, cool two-night event." When you think about it, this makes a lot of sense. Though it could be argued that fans will tune into both, that's not necessarily the case for all viewers. Fpr example, what do they do when the DVD and Blu-ray releases hit? Have a "To Be Continued..." episode on one disc and a part tow on the other, forcing people to buy both? It's a tricky situation, but here's hoping it's still a satisfying experience! 

As for why they've decided to approach a crossover/team-up so soon, Kreisberg explained: "We just want to do what’s fun and what makes us excited.  Because Barry Allen made such a strong impact on Arrow, there’s a lot of left-over business, especially between Barry and Felicity.  So, we really wanted to deal with that, sooner rather than later.  And then, when the idea for the bigger cross-over came up, it just felt like every one of these episodes is an event.  That’s one of the things we learned over the course of two seasons of Arrow.  There are no miss-able episodes.  What can you do to make sure that everyone watches an episode?  And sometimes that’s the guest star, or the big plot twist.  With these first Arrow episodes, and these first Flash episodes, because of the benefit of working on both shows, there’s something amazing and something game-changing in every one of these episodes.  And then, because Episode 9 will be the mid-season finale for both shows, and they’ll have their own reasons to tune in, Episode 8 felt like a great opportunity to bring the two shows together."

Talk then turned to how Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice and the planned Justice League movie effects what shows like Arrow and The Flash are able to do on the small screen. Luckily for them, it doesn't sound as if Warner Bros. are planning on utilising a lot of DC Comics' minor characters as it's rare that they're told they can't use someone. "There really aren’t that many characters that we’ve asked to use, that we haven’t gotten access to.  Fortunately for us, with Arrow, we were able to bring on Deathstroke and The Huntress, and this year we have Katana.  It was actually DC comics’ idea for us to use Ray Palmer/The Atom.  On The Flash, with Geoff Johns, our partner, we’ve carved out this whole world of characters that we have access to.  There are the big ones that fit into the Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman mythos, but since we’re not using those characters, they’re subsidiary characters don’t really feel necessary to us.  We never feel like we’re confined.  We’re more impressed that we get to play with as many characters as we do.  By the end of this season, on both shows, we’ll have Green Arrow, Black Canary, Katana, The Atom, Firestorm and The Flash.  If you’ve got Green Arrow and The Flash, why would you want Batman and Superman around?  I think we’ve figured out how to do those characters really well.  There’s something very distancing about Superman and Batman that I think works so well in the features, but that I’m not sure would necessarily lend themselves to a weekly series.  We’re very happy with the characters that we have."

So, apart from having some restrictions when it comes to using big name characters from The Trinity's adventures, it sounds as if Arrow and The Flash have pretty much a free reign to use who they please. While Warner Bros.' movie plans may not have much of an impact then, it should be very interesting to see whether the studio avoids using Green Arrow or Barry Allen as The Flash in their movies now as a resuly of these shows. What do you guys think? 
Source: Collider
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AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 12:28 PM
So no Flash in Justice League? This is starting to get confusing.
FightingCommander - 7/20/2014, 12:32 PM
"If you’ve got Green Arrow and The Flash, why would you want Batman and Superman around?"

Because you aren't stopping a Crisis without Superman.
MrBlackjack - 7/20/2014, 12:34 PM
@AL

How'd you come to that conclusion?
JoJo1982 - 7/20/2014, 12:40 PM
So they building their own justice league of America on tv...... cool
StarYeezus - 7/20/2014, 12:42 PM
Flash would've been so much cooler on the big screen.
Destined - 7/20/2014, 12:44 PM
I can't wait for all of this. Sounds fine to me.
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 12:45 PM
@MrBlackJack
"If you’ve got Green Arrow and The Flash, why would you want Batman and Superman around? I think we’ve figured out how to do those characters really well. There’s something very distancing about Superman and Batman that I think works so well in the features, but that I’m not sure would necessarily lend themselves to a weekly series."

Maybe I'm reading too much into it. I took that as him saying The Flash couldn't hold up next to Batman and Superman.
ekrolo2 - 7/20/2014, 12:47 PM
@Alexander

Way I see it is, Arrow & Flash ARE their "Worlds Finest" akin to Batman & Superman. Ones on the streets and is more cynical and the other is brighter, more optimistic and dealing with super powered threat.s
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 12:52 PM
@ekrolo2
I guess, but then what is this:



I have never been a huge fan of DC characters by themselves. The Justice League has always been the coolest part about DC to me. Not adding The Flash to the team is pretty crappy in my opinion. I think the biggest problem with DC/Warner Bros. right now is that they don't believe in any other characters beyond Superman and Batman.
DrunkenNukem - 7/20/2014, 12:53 PM
@Alexander...seems that way...i can´t believe that the Flash isn´t going to be in the first live JL movie...i hate that..i cant count how many times the Flash has saved the world and very own JL from disaster...he is being cast away just because he can´t be dark and serious
MrBlackjack - 7/20/2014, 12:55 PM
@Alexander
Like ekrolo said, it looks like they're having The Flash and Green Arrow take the roles of Superman and Batman in their "CW Justice League". That doesn't mean The Flash can't appear in the JL movie, all it means is his Flash won't be appearing alongside them.
JredTheRed - 7/20/2014, 12:56 PM
so how does the JL effect them?
ekrolo2 - 7/20/2014, 12:59 PM
@Alexander

I don't doubt for a second Flash will be in JL, besides, the who the [frick] is Kreisberg to decide weather or not they can appear? I'll believe it when some one actually involved in the movies states Flash isn't going to appear in it.
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 1:00 PM
@MrBlackJack
Oh, I see. So do you think we get a Flash movie? Or do you think he's introduced organically in a Justice League movie?
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 1:02 PM
@ekrolo2
I see what you and MrBlackJack are saying now.
BatManiac - 7/20/2014, 1:02 PM
If The Flash isn't in Justice League, WB can [frick] themselves!
MrBlackjack - 7/20/2014, 1:03 PM
@Alexander
I'm sure we'll get a Flash movie sometime down the road. It looks like WB is going to spin everybody off of JL, so hopefully it's not too long after JL comes out that we get a Flash film.
AlexanderLykins - 7/20/2014, 1:04 PM
@BatManiac
@ekrolo2
@MrBlackJack

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/?a=103950

This article is pretty telling if it's actually an accurate account.
Demiurge - 7/20/2014, 1:05 PM
Thanks for the interview, Josh !
Small correction in the title, though : it's "affects them".
No biggie :)
MrBlackjack - 7/20/2014, 1:05 PM
Superman and Batman are usually the leaders of the JL, and because the CW can't have access to them they're putting The Flash and Green Arrow into those roles. I think that's what he means when he says it'd be superfluous to put them into the CW. I think The Flash will be in the JL movie, but with a different role than his CW counterpart.
BatManiac - 7/20/2014, 1:07 PM
To be honest, I'm losing faith in WB's DC Cinematic Universe.
Klone - 7/20/2014, 1:09 PM
Firestorm and Atom will be nothing spectacular due to money issue is what I am betting on.
Enphlieuwince - 7/20/2014, 1:13 PM
Flash HAS TO be in the Justice League movie...
MrBlackjack - 7/20/2014, 1:13 PM
I'm guessing Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and Green Lantern will serve as WB's film JL, and Green Arrow, Flash, Atom, Firestorm, Black Canary, and Katana will serve as WB's CW JL.
Calculon - 7/20/2014, 1:15 PM
So did he pretty much confirm Laurel becomes BC this season?
BatManiac - 7/20/2014, 1:15 PM
The VFX in Flash are great, so I'm not even remotely worried about the VFX of Atom & Firestorm's powers.

Klone - 7/20/2014, 1:18 PM
They only have so much money. You may like it in some areas though do not be surprised if some of the stuff is a Smallville level in terms of effects.
BatManiac - 7/20/2014, 1:19 PM
I have no doubt that Laurel will become Black Canary this season. I don't think Katie Cassidy is working out for no reason.

Dinotron - 7/20/2014, 1:20 PM
It seems WB is going about there universe completely backwards from Marvel Studios.
Klone - 7/20/2014, 1:21 PM
I'm going to make a probably irrational assumption that's from some shit like Instagram. Will someone explain why the [frick] people have an obsession with that?
SimpleeComplex - 7/20/2014, 1:21 PM
I think Flash and GA will appear as a surprise in the movie and they're keeping it tightly under wraps to avoid spoilers.
Dinotron - 7/20/2014, 1:22 PM
I'm more excited for the Arrow-verse than the DCCU to be honest
Mike89 - 7/20/2014, 1:22 PM
The visual for the Flash are impressive even with a low cw budget. Just imagine what Snyder version of the flash would look like.
Klone - 7/20/2014, 1:24 PM
@Mike

Well, the suit would be much better and hopefully worn by someone much better for starters, though the actual running would look similar he would probably do shots where it appears time has stopped during action sequences and Barry is moving normally. I doubt those type of shots would happen in the show.
Mike89 - 7/20/2014, 1:27 PM
Flash WIll be in the JL movie. Only he'll be played by another actor,in a different universe.
ALegendaryPanda - 7/20/2014, 1:29 PM
Zack Snyder's Flash is going to look epic no doubt, personally I'm more excited to see what Aquaman is going to look like!
BatManiac - 7/20/2014, 1:32 PM
"I'm more excited for the Arrow-verse than the DCCU to be honest"

So am I. The CW clearly have a much better grasp on building a cohesive DC Universe than WB do.
JorL5150 - 7/20/2014, 1:33 PM
Everyone - BUT superman batman and Wonder Woman.

Even characters associated with batman (huntress. Katana night wing)

Sounds cool. Giving each side distance and then "continuity " isn't a problem if hey do overlap at some point.
Batman52 - 7/20/2014, 1:34 PM
I'm fine with two people acting as flash. Younger Flash for CW and older Flash for the movies so fine by me. Also Flash will get more publicity this way.
DrKinsolving - 7/20/2014, 1:37 PM
Flash isn't going to be in the DCCU Justice League?
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