Willem Dafoe Shocked That THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN Is Retelling "Exactly The Same Story"

The actor (who played Norman Osborn/Green Goblin in 2002's Spider-Man) reveals that he's "shocked" that Sony have decided to retell the origin of the character and shares his thoughts on the disappointing response to John Carter.

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By Josh Wilding - 7/6/2012

In a web chat with Empire Online readers, Willem Dafoe was asked for his thoughts on both The Amazing Spider-Man and John Carter. It seems a little unfair to accuse the former of telling the same story as Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, especially when he hasn't actually seen the movie, although the actor can be forgiven for making such an assumption. As for John Carter, Dafoe definitely has a point when it comes to how badly Disney handled the marketing, although that isn't exactly relevant to the poor critical reception it received.

Do you have any thoughts on the decision to re-imagine Spider-Man so soon after your work on the previous franchise?

I have lots of thoughts. Where do I start? I haven't seen it. I don't know what to say. I will say that I did see the preview and I was kind of shocked at how it's another version of exactly the same story. Surprising. I wish them well, but I think it's hard to beat the charm, the naive charm, of the first one. There's never really any possibility of going back.

I'm firmly in the 'Love John Carter' camp, and would love to see a sequel. How did you feel about the way it was marketed and its critical reception?

Disappointed by the reception, disappointed I guess by the marketing because before it was released there was a very spotty awareness of it. I can't explain why it wasn't touted as the next best thing since sliced bread. Seriously, I was looking forward to doing a sequel, particularly since the Carter / Tars Tarkas relationship really develops and becomes super interesting.


Do you agree with the actors comments? Which do you think best handled the origin story; Spider-Man or The Amazing Spider-Man? Sound off with your thoughts in the usual place.

Source: Empire Online
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continuezero - 7/6/2012, 7:09 AM
He was a great Goblin, despite the power ranger outfit.
continuezero - 7/6/2012, 7:10 AM
I especially liked his line when he tried to kill the board members and yells, "We'll meet again...Spiderman" That sounded like it was right out of the comics.
rebellion - 7/6/2012, 7:12 AM
what a title. the definition of ''sensationalism''.
CPBuff22 - 7/6/2012, 7:12 AM
I agree with what was said about John Carter. My only issue with what is said is he admits to not seeing Amazing Spider-man. If he seen it and felt it was the same movie as the Spider-man he was in then okay that is his opinion. But to have not seen the movie and claim to know what it is about is a bit precocious.
xstryker - 7/6/2012, 7:13 AM
It's a reboot, of course the story is superficially similar, but this one has a whole new angle to it.
RorMachine - 7/6/2012, 7:15 AM
Preacherfanatic7, I have seen it, and he's right to be shocked.
TheGambitFreakIsBatmanOfCBM - 7/6/2012, 7:15 AM
I agree with him 100%, though I did like TASM, Raimi's Spidey is my generation's version, and shall remain my Spider-Man. If Massee isn't Norman, Give it to Dafoe, he is [frick]ing Osborn.
dahamma - 7/6/2012, 7:16 AM
William Dagoe is freaking awesome. I loved his Goblin/Osbourne .

And he's right. As pretty visually TASM was, it didn't have the same heart/charm as the very first spiderman
googleplex - 7/6/2012, 7:16 AM
@just1superguy, how was he rude to them? i mean there was that one scene where he yelled at his uncle but that's because he brought up his dad in an argument which was a touchy subject. besides that was in the raimi film too.
TimL - 7/6/2012, 7:17 AM
I hope they find an actor that plays Osborn as good as Dafoe...
Jolt17 - 7/6/2012, 7:18 AM
He'll be even more shocked when he sees the movie. (Spoilers!) Yeah, the way Connors talks to his evil subconscious...very Goblin-ish.

Do the John Carter sequel, anyway.
Bodwulf - 7/6/2012, 7:18 AM
He is right the trailer promised the "untold" story of Spider-man. It hinted at an untold story but never got there. I think it is a good film and has heart but, in the end it is a rehash.
Garfield playing Peter as slightly autistic is different.
plasticman - 7/6/2012, 7:18 AM
I'm still miffed about what has happened to John Carter.
Bodwulf - 7/6/2012, 7:23 AM
Spider-man and Batman have got to learn the lesson of James Bond. Everybody knows who your character is just tell a good story and go with it. NO MORE ORIGINS!
khoa1708 - 7/6/2012, 7:23 AM
of course it will be somewhat the same story... there is only one origin for spider-man... how else can you tell that part?
jessepostal - 7/6/2012, 7:25 AM
How is it the same story besides the fact that he becomes spiderman and Ben dies?
hellfire - 7/6/2012, 7:26 AM
Dafoe is an excellent actor and was a great Goblin/tortured Osborn. One of the two highlights of the first film. A wet dunst being the other.
jessepostal - 7/6/2012, 7:27 AM
He was decent at Osborn but green goblin wasn't very good to me
FoiledCranium - 7/6/2012, 7:28 AM
@Bodwulf what do you mean by "slightly Autistic"?
Bodwulf - 7/6/2012, 7:33 AM
@ Jesse
trouble on a bridge child (children) in jeopardy
citizens of N.Y. superhero helper brigade.
field trip! Villian talks to "evil self"
Oh! And all those people bitchin' about the mask coming of often. This movie has that in spades. and crying.

DarthDan - 7/6/2012, 7:37 AM
Dafoe you ignorant slut.
ralfinader - 7/6/2012, 7:38 AM
Bodwulf - 7/6/2012, 7:23 AM
Report Comment Spider-man and Batman have got to learn the lesson of James Bond. Everybody knows who your character is just tell a good story and go with it. NO MORE ORIGINS!

Amen to that! Incredible Hulk nailed the origin in the opening credits, more CBM's need to take that route.
Bodwulf - 7/6/2012, 7:38 AM
@ foiledcranium unable to speak in complete sentences

autism: is a disorder of neural development characterized by impaired social interaction and communication.
Valandil - 7/6/2012, 7:38 AM
He is absolutely right.
marvel72 - 7/6/2012, 7:41 AM
should of told the origin in the opening credits,that way we get spidey for the whole two hours not having to wait 50 minutes to see him costume.

best spider-man films

1st spider-man 2/the amazing spider-man(both equal for different reasons)

2nd spider-man

3rd spider-man 3
MB007 - 7/6/2012, 7:42 AM
@continuezero Indeed he was...he is still.

I kinda liked John Carter though, it wasn't the next Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or something, but it was a good pop-corn movie. :-)
Fogs - 7/6/2012, 7:44 AM
No, Dafoe... They're not retelling the story. They're inventing a new origin up from their asses.

Unecessary as hell, this story. They should just consider we already know SM and go from there.

ASM: nice looks, nice action scenes, bad, bad screenplay.
AC1 - 7/6/2012, 7:45 AM
Ok, so TASM is the same film as Spidey 2002 in the same way that Batman Begins is the same as Batman 1989. It's not the same, the only similarities are the key elements - Peter's raised by his Aunt and Uncle, gets his powers from a Spider bite, becomes a superhero following his Uncles death.

Dafoe is one of my favourite things about the Raimi films, which I still really enjoy and will always be special to me because of my childhood, but he really should see the film before making comments like that. TASM is as different as it possibly can be without the comic fans burning Sony studios to the ground.

As for the 'Untold Story' it has been started in the film, and it will be explored in the next 2 films. If the 1000000000+ plotholes in Prometheus can be explained away by the fact a sequel will fix them, then the one apparent plothole in TASM can also use that excuse. In fact, TASM is far more eligible for the use of that excuse, as TASM was always intended to be the first installment in a new series - Prometheus was concieved as (and promoted as) a standalone prequel.
shadearts - 7/6/2012, 7:46 AM
Good movie had heart but I have to say the first spidey had a little more I personally think ****SPOILER***** Gwen shouldn't have known who he was yet I was ok with Cpt Stacy because he dies but it would've made the promise mean more some stuff was rushed to quickly


RorMachine - 7/6/2012, 7:50 AM
What do you mean "how can they do it differently:" MANY ways"! Was Batman Begins anything like Tim Burton's Batman? Ok Burton's movie began when Wayne was already Bats and just had a few flashbacks, whereas BB told the entire origin, so why not do the reverse with TASM and begin the story when he's already Spider-Man? Or if they really had to retell the same story at least try to do it a bit differently, it followed Raimi's movie almost beat-for-beat 80% of the damn time. All it takes is a bit of creativity and thought.
Vapes - 7/6/2012, 7:50 AM
Sorry, Willem. I have to disagree with you there.


Still, you'll always be my Norman Osborn.
Viltrumite - 7/6/2012, 7:51 AM
@Just1Superguy
I don't think Parker was a "moody shithead" constantly. The beginning of the film shows he had a great relationship with his aunt and uncle. Being moody and aggressive is what we mostly saw, because being spontaneously developing powers, alongside his investigations of his father, increased his awareness that he, like all teenagers, has no idea who he really is, but now on a larger scale. He feels like they don't understand him and he can't tell them how he feels, nor can they give him answers for the questions he so desperately wants to know. So, he feels frustrated and lashes out at them, mostly out of anger at himself. I've done it, and felt appropriately horrible about myself. It's common. Also, it was taken directly from an interaction between the three of them that was in an early issue of Ultimate Spider-Man, so it is at least from the comics.
Intothepoop - 7/6/2012, 7:54 AM
1. spidey 2
2. Spidey 1/TAMS (i need to rewatch 1 before i make a judgement. But spidey 1 had some classic movie scenes, the alley kiss? cinema classic!)
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3. spidey 3.

also too bad about john carter, i think that movie deserved success.
jessepostal - 7/6/2012, 7:55 AM
Sounds like nit picking to me
wayneballs - 7/6/2012, 7:59 AM
Willem Dafoe is abit biased towards the movies he is in. I watched John Carter and had to switch it off after 20 minutes because I found it really bad. The way it was shoot just didnt work for me and had a weak cast. TASM is the best spider-man movie I have ever seen hands down. Spider-man should never have been a emo cry baby to begin with like he was in the first trilogy.
ralfinader - 7/6/2012, 7:59 AM
"Was Batman Begins anything like Tim Burton's Batman? Ok Burton's movie began when Wayne was already Bats and just had a few flashbacks, whereas BB told the entire origin, so why not do the reverse with TASM and begin the story when he's already Spider-Man?"

Exactly. A retelling of the origin beat for beat is not needed, and some more creative approaches to TASM could have propelled this beyond comparisons to Raimi's perfectly fine origin tale.
jessepostal - 7/6/2012, 8:00 AM
Wait you want it to be entirely different yet u want it to follow the same patterns as another superhero movie?
Webhead007 - 7/6/2012, 8:02 AM
TASM seems similar in some scenes because they follow the same source material other than that the movies completely different.He shouldn't judge the movie if he hasn't seen it and besides even mark webb said the first ASM wouldn't unfold the whole story this is just a build up
TheGambitFreakIsBatmanOfCBM - 7/6/2012, 8:05 AM
Yes, he may be a little prejudice, acting as if he is a little mad he wasn't invited to the party, but hey, if he's still interested, make him Norman again, and the Goblin... The right way. also, bring in J.K. Simmons as JJ, or Hugh Laurie.
TheAbomination - 7/6/2012, 8:06 AM
Having seen TASM, I can safely say that the original Spider-Man film was a lot better.
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