Charles Roven Discusses The More "Adult" Themes Of DC's Movies Compared To Marvel's

Saying that they have yet to choose a title for Batman Vs. Superman, Man of Steel and The Dark Knight Trilogy producer Charles Roven comments on how DC's movies explore different themes to Marvel's, ones he believes are ultimately more adult in nature. Read on for details!

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By Josh Wilding - 12/6/2013

b>On The Relation Between Dramas And CBM's:

"Whatever the kind of movie you do you should strive for those themes and nuances exactly. I think they make the films more meaningful. I always try, not always succeed, in doing films that examine in their own way, even if they are entertainment, the human condition and the things that are important to all of us. I am actually glad that you noticed that because it is an important aspect of the movies that I try to make."

On How Warner Bros.' DC Movie Compare To Marvel's:

"I think that ‘Man of Steel’ played younger, to a wider audience. Even though Chris’s trilogy was more successful financially, I think you should be older to appreciate the full aspect of it. In that regard I would say that ‘Man of Steel’ played younger than that. I can’t speak for the Marvel comics. I certainly believe that they have done a great job in being very successful in what they are doing so they should continue. One of the things that I like in terms of what they are doing vs. what we are doing is that the movies are different. When you see what Zack Snyder or Chris Nolan is making in this genre, one that I am producing with Emma Thomas or Deborah Snyder, we go for certain themes that are slightly more adult even though they are very universal."

On The Batman Vs. Superman Title:

"I think that when we have the title, we will announce it. [Laughs]"

So, some potentially quite controversial comments there, but interesting nonetheless. Do you guys agree or disagree with these comments? Be sure to sound off with your thoughts in the usual place!
Source: Desde Hollywood
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Neonzel - 12/6/2013, 2:58 AM
Man speaks the truth. We all know DC Movies are more serious than Marvel's. While Marvel's are more comedy oriented (which isn't a bad thing).
charlie2094 - 12/6/2013, 3:00 AM
Do agree with the more adult themes and such that DC's movies seem to have, why I'm super excited to see what they do with the DCCU, play it a little more seriously than Marvel do

Wonder what the final title will be, if not 'Justice League' :P Soon as they announce Flash, be hard not to see this as a Justice League film, which they did say they'd do after Man of Steel and spin out of...we'll see!
Brainiac13 - 12/6/2013, 3:02 AM
MS have done well with all there movie, my problem was with IM3 as it was too boring and had too much comedy.

I prefer more adult themes.....IM1 & Avengers had the perfect balance for MS.

Ocelot - 12/6/2013, 3:02 AM
The title will be "Batman Vs. Superman" it's not a Justice League movie but instead a prolouge and prelude to it from the sounds of it.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:04 AM

Younger audience than Nolan's trilogy, but slightly more adult than the MCU.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:07 AM
Charles Roven as interviewed by the new Flash!

...a shout out to all the racists and bigots out there.

LOL! Sorry I kid! =D
Nubase - 12/6/2013, 3:08 AM
Theres no debate in what he said cos its true .
charlie2094 - 12/6/2013, 3:10 AM

Comedy can be serious but Marvel aren't trying to make serious, adult movies, they're just using comedy to make it more appealing to a wider audience and make summer blockbusters, where DC (with TDK trilogy and MOS at least) just use it to occasionally lighten an otherwise very serious movie. Both approaches are good and it's good they're both not striving to make the exact same films
CavEl - 12/6/2013, 3:13 AM
Nolan's movies were adult themed and mature, picking Zack Snyder to control the DCCU makes it into a pretentious pile of shit.

The guy is a [frick]ing hack. DC's movies are going to be pretentious 12 year old's mentality crap.

Notice how the most critical aspect of MOS was the part where Snyder and Goyer went behind Nolan's back to write?

Why didn't Darren Arronofsky get MOS?!!
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:20 AM
He's got a good point. I'm glad they aren't all making the same type of movies, with the same tone.
Spideyguy94 - 12/6/2013, 3:21 AM
I think certain DC characters should be a more bright and fun than some I.e. The flash. For a movie on him I would want something similar to a spider-man movie in terms of tone and colour palette. Not all these movies need to be more serious for the sake of being different from marvel. Can you imagine a green lantern or flash movie that takes itself as seriously as TDK Trilogy or MOS?
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:22 AM
Marvel/Disney is going for a more publicly acceptable, family friendly style of movies, which works for them. So, WB/DC are going a little more mature.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:23 AM
That said, I don't think every DC character has to that way.
dannramm113 - 12/6/2013, 3:23 AM
DC has the right thoughts, unlike Marvel each hero film should have a different type, like MOS with its semi serious, Batman with a darker serious, WW with a mythology/300 tone, flash with a cartoonish tone, green lantern with a space opera tone, and Aquaman with a comedic tone. Personally, I think the best way for an Aquaman movie to go is if they make fun of him, then have him do a bad ass thing.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:23 AM


Pretentious? Yes, how dare he not try to make a mindless popcorn movie! F' them!!!

I rather DC tries and fail, than not try at all.
LordOfTheZegaRealm - 12/6/2013, 3:24 AM
I agree that both companies have their own unique tone,but I can never say one is more adult than the other. Marvel just has a different tone than DC. That being said, I like the contrast between their tones. One serious,the other is comedic I love it.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:25 AM
OldGreg - 12/6/2013, 3:23 AM
That said, I don't think every DC character has to that way.

Agreed. Diversity would be great, depending on the character. e.g. Using Wally, instead of Barry perhaps.
CavEl - 12/6/2013, 3:27 AM
@ soforizo - Nolan's movies were intelligent movies, none of Snyder's movies has been smart...that includes Man of Steel.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:27 AM
I'd rather have Barry, and he doesn't need to be super serious. I'd love to see DC develop a Teen Titans series, that would be ment for that age group.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:29 AM
It's good to have cbms produced by different studios, and hopefully each studio will try to diversify its offerings.
Geotheleo - 12/6/2013, 3:30 AM
The only thing on my mind now is thanos, darkseid, and apocalypse concepts, all three are larger than life all 3 will be in upcoming movies (2 so far announced) where are they going to find these huge people... Which I'm all for...models for female heroes bodybuilders for supervillains.. Just make sure they can act...
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:32 AM
CavEl - 12/6/2013, 3:27 AM
@ soforizo - Nolan's movies were intelligent movies, none of Snyder's movies has been smart...that includes Man of Steel.

Tried is the keyword. I don't think they succeeded either, but I rather they try.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:32 AM
"none of Snyder's films has been smart" have been smart.....if you're going to question intelligence, you may want to have all your ducks in a row.
jcfrommars9 - 12/6/2013, 3:32 AM

Problem is, people DO see it as a bad thing.

And that's where the debate is. Even worse, the assumption is humor = immature, while serious = mature and therefore, too often, movies are judged solely on their tone than anything else.
Spideyguy94 - 12/6/2013, 3:35 AM
@soforizo I agree, that both companies need to diversify, DC Should lighten up certain aspects of their universe for the likes of flash and green lantern, where as it looks like marvel are going in a darker direction with their properties with Cap: TWS, AOU and the Netflix tv shows.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:38 AM
Speaking only for myself. I think the problem is, Marvel is trying to fit every movie into this mold, that appeals to everyone, so they make sure there is enough humor and action, with a little romance on top. I feel trying to fit all your movies into a certain mold, limits creativity and freedom of the writers/director. That wasn't an "us vs them" comment, just my opinion.
CavEl - 12/6/2013, 3:40 AM
@ soforizo - Then they should've picked a better director if that was what they had in mind. Darren Aaronofsky wanted this job.

@ Oldgreg - I bought a new handheld and the spell check isn't too smart, it's going to make a lost of mistakes. Hang in there until it builds up a stronger vocab.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:43 AM

IM1 and The Incredible Hulk were quite there in my opinion. Cap:TWS and Netflix shows are the best bets toward that balance.

I agree on the Flash, I don't think we'll see GL again anytime soon.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:43 AM
Or, and this is just a suggestion, you could take the extra second to make proof read....
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 3:47 AM
You're saying Snyder is to pretentious, but you're all about Aronofsky? That's very interesting. Seems you're just hating on Snyder, to hate.
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 3:49 AM

What has Aronofsky done that comes anywhere close to resembling the action scenes in MOS?

I would agree with you had you talk about improving the script, bringing Jonathan Nolan or some other name. However, there are only a handful of directors that could pull off Superman visually as good as Snyder.
Prime - 12/6/2013, 3:51 AM
It's Justice League.
jcfrommars9 - 12/6/2013, 3:52 AM

I do think Marvel tries to make true four quadrant movies rather than movies directed at any one particular audience. That I said, I don't think they try to fit every movie in fit a certain mold. When it comes to limiting creativity and freedom of the writers/director, this criticism seems to fluctuate based on reactions to the movie itself. Most don't mind the freedom Marvel gave Whedon with The Avengers, but Iron Man 3 was criticized for giving Black too much freedom and yet with Thor: The Dark World, it was criticized for Taylor not being given enough.
Spideyguy94 - 12/6/2013, 3:57 AM
@Soforizo Yeah I'd say IM is a bit darker than it's sequels and the like of Thor and cap but it's only really dark when he's in the cave building the armour and when he's saving the villagers in gulmira. All the stuff before he gets captured and when he's building the mark II armour kind of play like a screwball comedy. TIH on the other is quite dark and takes itself a bit more seriously. I really want to see a directors cut because there is clearly a lot of stuff taken out of that movie.
jp688 - 12/6/2013, 4:00 AM
Roven is wrong about the financial comparisons between TDK and MOS. MOS took in about half a billion dollars more from its first installment than TDK did.
CavEl - 12/6/2013, 4:01 AM
@ OldGreg - Uhm, no, this isn't an essay, it's an online discussion. And I said Snyder was pretentious because his movies are just dumb action movies, but he likes to think he's being philosophical.

@ soforizo - He probably can't, but at least we would have some substance.
jcfrommars9 - 12/6/2013, 4:05 AM

All the stuff before he gets captured and when he's building the mark II armour kind of play like a screwball comedy.

Slapstick would be the more appropriate term.

TIH on the other is quite dark and takes itself a bit more seriously.

Which is why I disagree with those who says Marvel favors any particular tone. I think they make the tone of the movies fit the character(s) rather than the other way around. And I think they're better off for it.
charlie2094 - 12/6/2013, 4:06 AM

Of course DC are trying to appeal to a wider audience, but they're just doing it differently to Marvel. Whilst they both have serious trailers, the films themselves are very different, with Marvel very much action/comedy focused, where DC is more in line with the trailers, much more serious and limited comedy...

But different approaches are good, I know a lot of complaints about the MCU films is that they all feel similar, so it's good that DC didn't try to replicate the same formula, taking their characters in a different direction
soforizo - 12/6/2013, 4:07 AM

The only criticism I have on IM 1, is the end fight is too short. Tone wise I thought it was perfect, that's what I had hoped of its sequels. The comedy elements in that one didn't overtake the movie, plus it fitted perfectly with main character.

While IM 1 was a solid film, I loved TIH the most at the time. The cgi was very inconsistent, understandably so, but it was pretty intense. I was really looking forward to that franchise the most, until it became clear it was dead. Now I fear than any future sequel will greatly depart from it.
ManCalledSting - 12/6/2013, 4:08 AM
JC: what I post, was my thoughts on the matter, and want based on anything, except what I thought of the movies, and the marvel process.

Yeah, why try to come of as half way intelligent....
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