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Michael Bay Defends Mudflap And Skids

Michael Bay says those two characters are for the kids.
Michael Bay had an interview with the Associated Press were he was made to defend himself against racial allegations. These charges steam from two of Bay's secondary robot characters, Mudflap and Skids. People seem to think that these two characters promote offensive racial stereotypes. Michael Bay does not disagree, he just doesn't see anything wrong with it.

These two robots have all the trimmings from enormous jug ears, bug eyes, and a enormous gold tooth sticking out of one of their faces to speaking in high pitched voices that remind you of Chris Tucker in Friday. Mudflap and Skids are voiced by Black actor Reno Wilson, and comedian and voice talent Tom Kenny (Spongebob Squarepants). The dialog suggests that the two robots will start popping a cap in another robot.

"We're just putting more personality in," Bay told the Associated Press. "I don't know if it's stereotypes - they are robots, by the way. These are the voice actors. This is kind of the direction they were taking the characters and we went with it."

New York times critic Manohla Dargis wrote that the characters speak with "conspicuously cartoonish, so-called black voices that indicate that minstrelsy remains as much in fashion in Hollywood as when, well, Jar Jar Binks was set loose by George Lucas."

With that being said by the so called critic, I do not remember any racial tension with Jar Jar, in fact he was played by a Ahmed Best who in fact is a African American. If it was such a huge problem why wasn't this discussed and addressed back then?

Every race has their own quirks. That's why Dave Chappelle was so successful (My favorite Comedian by the way), he made fun of everyone. No one race was saved from Dave. My Name Is Earl is about a trailer trash White guy. I don't remember hearing the same above mentioned critic blast that for stereo typing white people. This is all a bunch of bull shit, and a easy way for the New York Times to make some headlines which results in money. In which they should be ashamed of themselves for.

Hey Manohla, Obama is President now, time to move yourself out of the racially hyped past and into the equally make fun of all races present. I think if Obama made a statement about this situation he would say "If African Americans do not want to be portrayed in this light then maybe they shouldn't have One gold tooth sticking out of their mouths and speak without the back street slang, no more popping caps in people talk. Also if White people do not want to be portrayed as trailer trash, then white people should move out of the trailer and quite doing it with your sister or the kid licking the short bus window."

Michael Bay goes on to defend himself by stating: "I purely did it for kids, Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."

In closing I would like to say "Cant we all just get along?"
50 Yes
44 No
jman1977
6/24/2009

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155 Comments

these are as good an idea as jar jar binks...bay is a rel a## pirate in my books..thank god tf entertains me cuz he is a lame ass storyteller
Anil Rickly - 6/24/2009, 12:41 PM
MUD FLAP AND SKIDS!

OMG DOES THAT SOUND WRONG TO YOU! : D
LEEE777 - 6/24/2009, 12:45 PM
; D
LEEE777 - 6/24/2009, 12:47 PM
THE TWINS WERE GREAT I THOUGHT THEY WERE HILARIOUS AT TIMES AND SO DID THE AUDIENCE WHO WERE WATCHING I THINK ALL YOU HATERS NEED TO GO POP YOUR CHERRY AND NOT WITH YOUR TRAILER PARK SISTER OR THE WINDOW LICKER LOL
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 12:57 PM
Lol! : D
LEEE777 - 6/24/2009, 1:00 PM
MICHAEL BAY FOR PRESIDENT!!!
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:02 PM
Lee@ - LOL.... that was F-ing funny




Enjoy
thegreek - 6/24/2009, 1:05 PM
If people don't have anything to complain about they would go F$#@ING insane.... If it wasn’t a racial thing, some dusch-bag would find something else to complain about.... I guess that’s what makes America "the land of the free." : )
Niem8211 - 6/24/2009, 1:09 PM
for the kids? kids do not need to hear that shit. or be imitating it.
grif - 6/24/2009, 1:14 PM
I know most accusations about racism are stupid (Resi 5 etc.) but in this case they have a point. If they had just been black it would have been fine but they reminded me of something from an 80’s exploitation flick.

Anyway compared to the fairly entertaining first outing I though this film was abysmal.

RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 1:14 PM
the cinema was full of teens as that is who the MASS audience are so you have to expect it to be a comedy with childish antics. you frickin fool what you thought bay was gona make the film for a bunch of saddo 40 year olds who probably still live with their mothers. the film cost 150 million to make obviously its going to be aimed at the masses and from where i was seated the masses loved it i think you need to lose your virginity then go out and get a life. NUFF SAID
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:22 PM
Grif is right. Car Car Binks was for the kids was he Bay? What a [frick]ing moron. Theres a difference between a bit of racial stereotyping for comedic effect(like jman said, a lot of great comedians do it) and downright racial MOCKERY. The worst thing is, they wernt funny! I dont care if topgooner187 up there busted a gut yacking it up, they were completely out of place in a movie which already had at least 6 other characters played for laughs..in a film thats not even a comedy, 6 damn characters. Bay should be shot
RorMachine - 6/24/2009, 1:27 PM
Whats wrong doin something for the kids. Either u hate em or loved em. Half the audience is kids.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 1:30 PM
Ror are you over the age of 40 do you still live with your mother and are you a virgin if you have answered yes then i expect that is why you keep hating on this film. GET A LIFE
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:30 PM
@ror transformers is for KIDS what did you expect a gritty drama?
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:32 PM
or maybe a horror or a thriller would that get your rocks off
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:34 PM
perhaps they should do a remake especially for you they could call it transBOREDers would that make you happy rorschach
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:37 PM
I notice you post the same thing quite a bit Gooner, to much mental exertion needed to come up with new stuff is there? Wanker.

If its a kids movie then why is it pg13? I get that Transformers are basically a kids creation, but if he has the cert hes obviously trying to appeal to the widest audience possible so why not do that? You think im the only one annoyed at the garbage in this movie? do some research moron. I actually enjoyed it a lot more than some. But i guess anyone that didnt like this must be a 40 year old virgin living in his moms basement right? What a waste of oxygen.
RorMachine - 6/24/2009, 1:39 PM
YOU SADDO
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:39 PM
GO WASH THAT SAND OUT YOUR V A G I N A YOU SEEM A BIT GROUCHY
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:41 PM
its on!
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 1:42 PM
Just because its for kids dosen't mean it has to be stupid. Look at any Pixar film.

Also if this film if for kids why was there so much swearing and purial innuendo.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 1:42 PM
LOOK AT YOUR PICTURE YOU ARE A 40 YEAR OLD VIRGIN AND A HILLBILLY LMFAO AT YOU
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:42 PM
INNUENDO YOU IDIOT THE CLUES IN THE TITLE HOW MANY KIDS WOULD OF UNDERSTOOD IT AND HOW MANY ADULTS WOULD HAVE CHUCKLED. POINT PROVEN
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:44 PM
@RadBracket

True about pixar.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 1:45 PM
HA for the kids..........yeah swearing robots totally for the kids. haha
NiteowlIII - 6/24/2009, 1:46 PM
ALL KIDS SWEAR NOWADAYS THEY KNOW EVERY WORD TO EMINEMS RAPS ITS THE TIMES WE LIVE IN BUT YOU WOULDN'T KNOW THAT WOULD YA COZ YOUR 40 AND YOU LIVE WITH YOUR MOTHER
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:48 PM
Its not innuendo I have a problem with. Usually its pritty funny, but hear it was just plain unpleasant and if I had kids I wouldn't want them seeing it.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 1:48 PM
No, its not on! Iv better things to do than get into it with this peon. Judging by his responses hes only about 12 anyway(or mentally 12). Best not to get him all riled up. Plus o think he might be a bit on the special side, he seems to think anyone that didnt like the movie must live with their mothers, im trying to see a connection....

Radbracket your dead on, Pixars films are aimed squarely at kids and are still smarter and funnier than Transformers 2 was.
RorMachine - 6/24/2009, 1:49 PM
its not all out cussing. Most kids talk worse than the robots do. What age group of kids are we talking about. Does anybody here have kids of thier own, and HOW do you feel about it.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 1:50 PM
Actually I'm 18 and your an ass who can't use punctuation.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 1:52 PM
HEY JMAN!!! Don't go stereotyping the media now!!! I resent what you said about the new york times!!! yuk yuk.

So i heard this movie was for kids... so i won't go see it.

And i don't know about you guys but i thoroughly enjoy washing my vagina. It feels damn good :) What's that mom??? I know i don't pay the heating bill but my vagina's really really dirty!!! :P
Shaman - 6/24/2009, 1:52 PM
@ Sharman. LOL.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 1:55 PM
im not worried about the racial sterotypes just more about what the ffuucckk were the point of these robots
marcolanni - 6/24/2009, 1:55 PM
Now shaman you know dam well you dont need to clean that baby out when im around......il do it!!

Now topgooner..........now im sure ROR will agree that we dont see eye to eye on alot of things but im sure he has the same amount of respect for me as i give him........yes he needs to lighten up when there is a perfectly good and fun movie out there but man SHUT THE [frick] UP!!!!!!
teabag - 6/24/2009, 1:59 PM
THE ROBOTS WERE FOR THE KIDS YOU HEARD STRAIGHT FROM BAYS MOUTH WHAT OTHER SORT OF EXPLANATION ARE YOU EXPECTING
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 1:59 PM
No the robots are for making lots of money. This film has no soul.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 2:02 PM
LOOK YEAH I AINT PURPOSELY COME ON HERE TO CUSS I ONLY SIGNED UP YESTERDAY COZ I WAS SICK OF PEOPLE BAD MOUTHING THE MOVIE. I AM AND HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN AVID FAN OF THE FRANCHISE SO TO HEAR PEOPLE BLATENTLY DISSRESPECTING A FANTASTIC MOVIE WHICH HAS SURPASSED THE ORIGINAL TEN FOLD IS A LITTLE BIT DISHEARTENING PEOPLE NEED TO LIGHTEN UP AND TAKE THE MOVIE WITH A PINCH OF SALT. BAY'S OBJECTIVE WAS TO MAKE A MOVIE FOR THE MASS AUDIENCE AND PERSONALLY I THINK HE HAS DELIVERED AND I BELIEVE THAT THOSE OF YOU HATING ARE A VERY SMALL MINORITY
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:06 PM
I agree but there its said
teabag - 6/24/2009, 2:07 PM
Opinions are not allowed. I guess?
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 2:11 PM
It was established in the first Transfomer that they get their personality from earths radio and TV signals. So it implies they imitate us in a way.

No way you cant say that Jazz wasn't suppose to be a Black inspired type of robot in the first one (I'm sorry im Black and I hate saying African America).

I didn't see the problem with Mudflap and skids. It was sort of funny and over the top. It brought character, and ive seen some damn near Rated R pg-13 movies.

Its a parental guidence 13 movie so if a parent dont feel their kids should hear this sort of stuff then dont take them.

Look at superbad. It was rated R and damn near NC-17 but honestly...who was that movie aimed at? kids who can't even see it. 14-17 year olders.

Everyone is too tense.
Im glad they didnt Kiddiefied this movie more than what they did.

The characters that got the most screen time were all the comedians...human and robots.

ps: they didnt say anything you can't hear on "FREE" TV after 8pm.

I mean they say bullshit, bitch, pussy, dick and shit on regular TV now...


vonstallin - 6/24/2009, 2:11 PM
i have a cybernetic organism crush on Optimus Prime <3
Torque - 6/24/2009, 2:12 PM
I think that topgooner is dumb, @ror i agree man I was kinda annoyed with mudflap and skid theyre ok but it was over done aka overacted. AND I CALL BS on they were made for the kids they called Leo a pussy haha it was funny but still i wouldnt want to take an 8 yr old to that move and have them say "thats cuz hes a pussy" because if they are as michael bay said "for the kids" then who wants to hear their 8 yr old say its cuz hes a pussy. so i call bs on that just the kids crap. But all in all the movie was great and done well very well. the only annoying about it was mudflap and skid they were funny but still annoying.
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:13 PM
@SHHHH..........shhhhhhh;)
teabag - 6/24/2009, 2:14 PM
The PG-13 rating is a joke. Its just a way the studios can make as much money as possable while still giving the elution that the MPAA is giving guidance.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 2:15 PM
lol.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 2:16 PM
@von u make a great point im black to and i hate it when ppl say african american cuz not all blk ppl are from africa hell Charleze Theron is African American. Hope you get where i am going with this.
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:16 PM
What if Mudflap was Dave Cheppelle and Skids was Chris Tucker....

would those who didnt like the Black refference character feel the same? just wondering.
vonstallin - 6/24/2009, 2:17 PM
SET2FALLFIRST YOUR MUMS A CRACK WHORE
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:17 PM
Hey let's leave the hill billies out of this TopGomer.
Gweedo - 6/24/2009, 2:19 PM
Your point? (Are you now racially profiling me because i am black)lol jk. If your gonna make an argument make one of your own opinion not because Michael Bay said its for the kids. I also guess you believe everything your parents told you about how you could do anything you want in the world even be a astronaut?
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:20 PM
Its not a problem with black charicters. I liked Jazz in the first film. Its the fact thet Skids and Mudflap where the kind of negative and cartoonish interpretation of black Americans that suberban kids seem to find funny.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 2:22 PM
SORRY GWEEDO
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:23 PM
@von if chris tucker had done it I would have been annoyed hahaha. But dave chappelle and chris rock on the other hand would have not only been a good combo. But would have not made it so annoying.
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:23 PM
First of all, the whole idea that Skids and Mudflap are racist is REDICULOUS.

Anything now and days that immitates African American city culture is considered racism, but anything that tries to immitate poor white people, Asians, or Hispanics is acceptable and funny.

The people that are coming up with this shit are the true racists. MARK THAT DOWN.
Macksimus - 6/24/2009, 2:24 PM
topgooner you say your 18......so what the [frick] are you doing on here when you should be out getting your meat bashed by some random guy you met at wankers anonamous ......and get it right..its my mum who's the crack whore.....and if you havent yet she'l give ya a discount
teabag - 6/24/2009, 2:24 PM
Gooner your a tool. As soon as someone makes a point that beats yours you just start slaging them of.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 2:25 PM
lol Classic teabag. (has anyone seen the Hangover)
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:26 PM
I AM GETTIN MY MEET BASHED BY YOUR GRAN SHE BLOWS BETTER WITHOUT HER TEETH AN WHO SAID I WAS 18 COCK FOR BRAINS
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:26 PM
I AM GETTIN MY MEET BASHED BY YOUR GRAN SHE BLOWS BETTER WITHOUT HER TEETH AN WHO SAID I WAS 18 COCK FOR BRAINS
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:26 PM
Set2Fallfirst:

Man, Im sure we are the only race thats been through so many name changes...

Negro
Colored
Black
and now
African American

And right Charleze is south african lol but heritage is sweedish or german decent (the majority of the settlers)

Anyway ill get on topic....

They were a little annoying, but I was getting a little annoyed by alot of the characters in the movie. It was good but alot of over acting to be funny at times. Still good movie and not something to bash.

I think a kid "" 13 years"" and older can handle the language in the movie. If the kid is below that age then its up to the parent to decide if they want to expose them to it. I would be more worried about the sexual tension in the movie .

Between megan and the blond pretender....


I had WOOD in the theater, lol

vonstallin - 6/24/2009, 2:27 PM
don't go and see the movie. IT'S just a movie. If you cannot handle another persons opinion, thats a personal problem. Get over it. Its a fan-site.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 2:29 PM
hahaha TO much info but yes u makea clear valid point i agree
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:29 PM
Well, if they were funny it would have gone part of the way of an argument for using the stereotype in the first place, but they werent! I mean seriously guys, i may have smiled when one of them told Leo to get a haircut, thats it! What other bit could any of you possibly found funny without the aid of a joint? ..thats actually not a bad idea! Im being dragged to see it again next week...
RorMachine - 6/24/2009, 2:29 PM
MEGAN IS HOT EVERYONE HAD WOOD AND THATS WHY THEY CALL IT PG13 THEN
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:30 PM
It's ok guy. I see where topgooner is coming from. He's one of the few that likes Dragonball because it was made for kids.....hahahaha.
Fracture - 6/24/2009, 2:30 PM
F*ck Bay. He's a hack.
alten2345 - 6/24/2009, 2:32 PM
@ vonstallin

The problem is a parent dosen't expect that kind of language in a PG-13 and once they find out they've already paid for the ticket.
RadBracket - 6/24/2009, 2:33 PM
DRAGONBALL ROCKS
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:34 PM
now i am convinced he is 13
Set2Fallfirst - 6/24/2009, 2:36 PM
IN MY MIND
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:37 PM

RadBracket:
I dont have kids yet, but i feel that anyone who do have kids under 13 should maybe check it out first.

Catch a midnight movie when they are sleep then take the kidos on a saturday.

I know what you mean...growing up my parents wouldnt let me watch R-Rated movies, but we would get some pg-13 rated VHS (lol) tapes and every so often get some mild sex scenes with full frontal nudity and some hard core language.

My parents would say "ok thats it time 4 yall 2 go :(

lol

I guess thats why if i had a kid i would check it out first, because I know some pg-13 movies are on the cutting edge of Rated-R.

Oh yeah, the hangover was funny as Frack !!!!!
vonstallin - 6/24/2009, 2:39 PM
did anyone notice a difference in the voices of megatron and starscream for this movie?
Torque - 6/24/2009, 2:39 PM
THIS CHATS NEEDS AN OPPINION OF SOMEONE WHO ISNT OVER THE AGE OF 40 THERE ARE TOO MANY OF YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD HAVE MADE A BETTER MOVIE BUT IF THAT WERE TRUE YOU WOULD BE IN HOLLYWOOD SO GIVE BAY A BREAK WHAT MORE CAN YOU DO THAN MAKE A MOVIE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ARE GONA LOVE
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:44 PM
im 20. i loved this movie. i wasnt offended by anything. i just thought they could have had more awesome fight sequences and less comedy. but overall it was a kickass film. best i have seen all year. btw i know i could have made a better movie. but thats just an OPINION of mine
Torque - 6/24/2009, 2:48 PM
ANYWAY ALL I GOTTA SAY IS TRANSFORMERS 2 IS THE GRATEST MOVIE EVER MADE FRICKIN AWESOME MAN
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 2:51 PM
Kids like this movie too much, i'm just not going to see it.
Shaman - 6/24/2009, 2:54 PM
i think this movie entertains all audiences. its def worth seeing in theaters. or at least i think so.
Torque - 6/24/2009, 2:58 PM
Down with Bay!
GordonBombaysRevenge - 6/24/2009, 3:07 PM
Man! I just came back from Popeye's and this thread blows up. Damn!
SirPrize - 6/24/2009, 3:10 PM
@sirprize what did you think of rotf
topgooner187 - 6/24/2009, 3:12 PM
@Torque:

I mos def noticed that megatron sounded closer to the cartoon...b4 I went to IMDB 2day I thought maybe they got the origianal actor to play Devastator, Soundwave and Megs...they must have told hugo to mimic the cartoon because it was spot on.

Starscream sounded closer to the cartoon version voice vs TF1 eventhough it was voiced by the same talent.


Tony Todd... The Fallen (voice)Perfect choice dark evil mystical voice. Now we can save Leonard Nmoy for TF3.

Tom Kenny... Mudflap / Skids (voice)

Hugo Weaving... Megatron (voice)

John Turturro... Agent Simmons / Jetfire (good job not sounding like himself)

Peter Cullen... Optimus Prime (voice)

Anthony Anderson... Jolt (voice) WTF? I hardly even saw Jolt let alone heard him speak.

Mark Ryan... Bumblebee (voice)didnt say much, just radio

Darius McCrary... Jazz (voice) wth? didnt see him

Charles Adler... Starscream (voice)back to sounding like his G1 starscream days.

Reno Wilson... Frenzy (voice)? again didnt see him

Mike Patton... Mixmaster (voice) Didn't hear him talk

Robert Foxworth...Ratchet (voice)

Jess Harnell... Ironhide / Barricade (voice) didnt see barricade


vonstallin - 6/24/2009, 3:23 PM
I've noticed something most of the racial/social/political/moral/buisness trouble is stirred up by liberal media
THEHAWK - 6/24/2009, 3:28 PM
vonstallin@ yea they really were spot on for this movie when it comes to their voices. Megatron sounded badass. and i like how starscream had that very ruggid sounding voice.

and im thinkin there is a lot more to this movie that the dvd will most likely have. i cant wait to see that footage.
Torque - 6/24/2009, 3:34 PM
I did like the Megatron/Starscream moments, and all of the Transformers moments together actually. Thats why i was so pissed at all the other crap getting in the way of it. Soundwave a satelite that doesn't transform? [frick] off! He was my favorite character as a kid..they didnt even bother to give him that reverb voice, how hard would that have been?

Do we need to see Sams mother going on a hash brownie rampage around a college campus when we could be seeing interaction between Jolt, Ratchet, Ironhide etc? No, we [frick]ing dont!
RorMachine - 6/24/2009, 3:48 PM
THE TWINS WERE AWSOME..MY REVIEW IS ON SCREENRANT, GOOD AND BAD
GUNSMITH - 6/24/2009, 4:22 PM
I havn't seen the movie yet. But I'm fully expecting it to be ok. Not great. Not bad. Just ok. Like the first one. The true Transformers movie will always be the one with Unicron in it. *sigh* I miss the old series, lol
Runefyst - 6/24/2009, 5:51 PM
yea thats what i meant to ROR, that shit did not need to be in the movie. kinda pissed me off too
Torque - 6/24/2009, 5:52 PM
You know... The thing that bugs me most about this article, is that Bay defends the decision to put these characters into the movie stating that: "I purely did it for kids, Young kids love these robots, because it makes it more accessible to them."

If that's the case, why did he fill this movie with even MORE crude/suggestive dialogue than the original?

I mean, I have two young boys, and the scene in the original movie had me trying to explain to a 5 year old what masterbation meant. (It's not a joke, I actually had to have a talk about sex with my 5 year old son because of the first movie.)
I made the decision to watch the second film before taking my kids, and I'm still a little on the fence about letting them see it.
I'm not worried about my youngest, he just turned 4, and most of that stuff would bounce right off of him. But my (now) 7 year old, no way. He's waaaay too smart for that crap to not attract his attention!

With all that said... Bay has the Devastator sized balls (groan) to say he did it for the kids, when he clearly didn't make any of the rest of the film for them?! These characters were obviously developed for the film when they realized that they had completely alienated the (originally) intended target audience, and they wanted to do something to placate (dumb down) the story, and add even more rediculously unnecessary comic relief.
What an @$$hole.

adamant877 - 6/24/2009, 5:53 PM
i dont think he meant children though. im pretty sure he meant like 12 and above. these movies are too complicated for toddlers i think.
Torque - 6/24/2009, 6:16 PM
Torque: If your kids are old enough to speak, and they can physically watch a commercial on television, than they WANT TO SEE TRANSFORMERS! You know... That movie that they made all about the toys that they're playing with?!
adamant877 - 6/24/2009, 6:20 PM
oh no i totally understand that. im just sayin i dont think thats what michael bay meant when he said it. maybe it was, i dont really know. it was just an excuse anyway
Torque - 6/24/2009, 6:30 PM
i didnt see the movie yet but the part of the preview when mudflap said "we dont really do much reading" got me laughing.
drock - 6/24/2009, 6:48 PM
Any person in their right mind knows that this movie is a money making whore before anything else. This movie was designed with one thing in mind: how many people can the studio suck in over a broad demographic so as to maximize profits.

That being said I know that is the business part of "show business." I'm not stupid. But you know what? I'm more impressed with movies that make just as much money, if not more, such as Iron Man or Dark Knight that appeal to a narrower demographic, are not made for the sole purpose of sucking in dollars, and don't throw in stupid jokes for cheap laughs. Those movies delivered on every level and didn't have to use cheap theatrics and laughs to pull in the viewers.

alten2345 - 6/24/2009, 6:50 PM
@Ror

Couldnt agree more. I LOVED LOVED LOVED the 15 minutes of action/scenes with ONLY robots, which is why I was EXTREMELY PISSED the remaining 2 hours with the pointless [frick]ing humans and their shitty completely unfunny "humor"..
2sdaychicken - 6/24/2009, 6:59 PM
trailers tricked some of us i believe
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 7:07 PM
Torque: I'm completely sorry if I came across as abrasive or rude. I was not intending to.
My gripe is with the ridiculous comment that Bay made about appealing to a younger audience. If that was his intention, he would have laid off of the unnecessary crap (ie. language, drug references, and sexually suggestive material), and given the movie a PG rating (Possibly still PG-13 for "action violence"). ACTUALLY making the film more accessible to a younger audience. Where was Hasbro during the making of this film?

Did I like the movie? Hell yeah! It was great, for the most part! But now I have to tell the boys no... And that just doesn't seem fair.
adamant877 - 6/24/2009, 7:23 PM
why do some people resort to name calling? I don't mind people defending movies, but name calling, seriously??
At any rate, the movie was entertaining but I think it fell slightly short of the first one.
thwhtGuardian - 6/24/2009, 7:27 PM
YOWZER!!! : D

an lmao thegreek @ Luved tha vid man!!! ; D
LEEE777 - 6/24/2009, 7:36 PM
thwhtknight: Sorry if I offended you as well. I just have a hard time digesting the unmittigated gall of someone who would make a statement like "I did it for the kids", and expect the audience at large to be stupid enough to swallow it without question.
I guess I got off on another tirade... back to my box now, I suppose. lol
adamant877 - 6/24/2009, 7:41 PM
I wasn't a huge fan of Transformers 1 so going into part 2 my hopes weren't as big and I gotta admit TF2 was closer to the mark IMO.Prime kicked serious ass this time around.The comedic moments were aplenty and yes parts of it got annoying such as Sam's mom ,but overall it was a good flick.Now what I'm not understanding is all the hubub over Mudflap and Skids?I definitely disagree with them being the "JarJar" of transformers as I thought and everyone (no matter their RACE) in my theater it seemed,thought their humor was *gasp*..funny!And jarjar was not.On a side note my friends are a mixture of races and none were offended so what does that say?So why does Bay need to defend giving some robots personalities that some uptight yahoos think is offensive?You know the one thing I hate from the 90's is the birth of "political correctness"!Its a censorship that needs to go extinct so those same people can enjoy a good flick.Mudflap/Skids adopted a personality of the present day.What's the difference between them and what made Chapelle famous?Sorry but I just don't get some people.
Tiger73 - 6/24/2009, 7:46 PM
Tiger73: Yeah, I have a hard time understanding how anyone could be offended by the "implied" race of a robot. People need to pick their battles I suppose, but appearantly not all of us are Patton level tacticians. lol
adamant877 - 6/24/2009, 8:15 PM
oh it wasn't about you at all adamant877, I was talking about that topgooner guy. Your posts are always intelligent, and well thought out. I just don't understand anyone who throws around obscenity without purpose. It's not offensive per say, just unintelligent and totally undermines ones argument. It's fine that topgooner liked the movie, but it's not fine to attack someone like a petulant child just because they disagree with you. For instance I think G.I. Joe will suck, but I do not think that people who are excited about it are "retarded" or live with their mothers. I don't understand their view on the movie but I would never stoop to debasing them.
thwhtGuardian - 6/24/2009, 9:02 PM
i think people like Ror expect all comic book/toy/cartoon based movies to now be carbon copies of The Dark Knight, that was its own film, this is its own film, even they were both as dark as you wanted it to be, you would still be whining on how they're both too similar or rip-offs of each other
lilej2 - 6/24/2009, 9:28 PM
I agree with Ror-01 and GRIF and others of the same principles. still cant wait to see it!
shibazz - 6/24/2009, 9:43 PM
I saw it a few days back with a friend from college and he loved the twins. And guess what he is black. If he found it ok then I think it's ok. Some people like to blow things out of proportion.

On a side note, I loved the fight scene with Prime/Megatron/Starscream/Rotor(i think) Prime kicked asses!

SPOILERS

And this was the Megatron I wanted in the first one, the part with him and Starscream on the Nemesis was awesome. Megatron as a whole was great. I love his line later in the movie in the climax, the whole film he was kicking Starscream around and in the big fight scene at the end he gets his ass handed to him, he calls out "Starscream!" And Starscream tells Megatron "Not to seem a coward sir, but sometimes the cowards live to figh again."(Something like that) That is G1 right there!
THEHAWK - 6/24/2009, 10:06 PM
bay don't give damn what people think.
SHHH - 6/24/2009, 10:54 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.......sorry guys..giggle...i got dragged in to the whole gooner guy thing but...giggle ..i m laughing cus he said he had a blow job from my gran!!!! why would he want one from an old lady!!!
Anyway..........people can make there own opinions..we are (except one)adults
teabag - 6/25/2009, 1:50 AM
YOU GOTTA ADMIT THOUGH, WHEN OPTIMUS IN THE FOREST FIGHT SAYS"I'LL TAKE YOU ALL ON" AND HOLDS HIS OWN, THAT HAD THE FEEL OF THE ANIMATED MOVIE WHEN OPTIMUS COMES IN AND SAVES THE DAY AND SQUARES OF WITH MEGS
GUNSMITH - 6/25/2009, 2:12 AM
I saw the movie last and to tell you the truth I loved Mudflap and Skids I thought they were hilarious, and I'm a black guy myself and I wasn't a bit offened. Also if anyone watched they first movie they said they learned earth languages and so the characters probably thought that's humans act.
Bandrews1 - 6/25/2009, 7:30 AM
This movie was bad ass! There were some parts that weren't all that great but overall the movie rocked! I loved Mudflap and Skids...it was great to see different personalities of the robots. All the haters, I think most of you peoples comment are childish and pointless. Bay did a great job...a little too much human humor though.
cable82 - 6/25/2009, 9:04 AM
Well I liked Bay's defense. If you want equality, be prepared to be treated like everyone else, dont think you arent able to be satirized cause of the distant past
WLightnin - 6/25/2009, 9:10 AM
thewhtknight: Thanks for clearing that up. And I completely agree with you. There are far too many people who lack the patience and tact to formulate what they are trying to say without reverting to childish name calling. I could easily go on with a list of "trolling" habitual offenders, but there's no point... They know who they are.
adamant877 - 6/25/2009, 10:11 AM
"OOOH MOMMY LOOK ITS DEVASTATOR!YAAAAA!,...UM MOM? WHATS THOSE TWO BALL THINGS HANGING FROM HIS...OH...HAHAHA..MOMMY DEVASTATOR HAS A .."
GUNSMITH - 6/25/2009, 10:19 AM
GUNSMITH: LOL
adamant877 - 6/25/2009, 10:30 AM
they should've called this movie transformers: rise of the bad boys II
droopy1317 - 6/25/2009, 10:48 AM
they should've called this movie transformers: rise of the bad boys II
droopy1317 - 6/25/2009, 10:48 AM
"Y'all nutz is lightweight
My balls will wreck Chevy's...
Devastator, my n****
My scrotum just too heavy..."

That was one of the lines one of my artists spit on this track I was producing last night. Apparently, the "IN" thing will be rappers talking about how their balls resemble Devastator's...hmmmm, not sure this is a trend i will be happy to see become standard! LOL

I found no issue with the twins... my wife thought they were hilarious, and I guess the hood did to, seeing as though the theater around the corner from my block was raucus and rowdy and was in stitches when the twins were talking... then again, a lot of the people in my hood have golds in their mouth and talk WAY more stereotypically black than the twins did, but thats a different story!

version4 - 6/25/2009, 12:05 PM
topgooner, I know your trying to make a statement about the some 40 year old guy living with his mother, but does it really have to be ALL CAPS?!
SuperFlyinPwrs - 6/25/2009, 1:09 PM



On a side note....
Transformers made $60.6 Million in one day...just $7 million less than Dark Knight....


http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2009/06/transformers_2_had_a_great_wed.php


vonstallin - 6/25/2009, 2:42 PM
I haven't seen this movie, but really how rasist can these guys be? Honestly when I first saw Phantom Menace, I didn't see a stereotypical Jar Jar Binks. Hes only a stereotype b/c the media made him that. Those people make me sick.

But really how racist can these robots be?
I got to know. Do they say the N word? Do they use offensive language? Are there any black jokes? How about Skids saying he is going to smack his hoe into his pimp mobile?

If they above applies then parents should not take there children to the movie. If not, then why the hell is it racist?
SuperFlyinPwrs - 6/25/2009, 3:31 PM
Because SuperFlyn people are the rasists by thinking that they are speaking like black people....not the film the people
teabag - 6/25/2009, 3:51 PM
Anyone who feels that the movie was racist is ignorant and a bigot. In no way shape or form did they say they were "black" robots. After all, THEY'RE ROBOTS! They aren't black, or white, or anything in between. If you feel they were "sterotypical", then you are the one that projects said stereotype on whatever race you ASSUMED it was. How come no one bitched about Jazz in the first one? He was practically the same way, just more thug than funny.

And, for anyone that felt the movie was "subpar", you've got to be kidding me. I have spent my life studying film, graduated with a degree in Film/Video Production, and have been writing screenplays for a little over 7 years now. I have the unique ability to look at every film from two perspectives, a fan who falls into the escapism that is the cinema, and as a film critic, breaking down every aspect of the film making process. The first movie was something spectacular, a film you could just turn on and get lost in. There is no need to try and break it down, where it fits in the history of the product, etc., because its nearly impossible to translate from book to film, or cartoon to live action. Going into the second, I was a little scared that lightning wouldn't be able to strike twice. But it did, and then some. The drama is much more intense, much more emotional, and the story is rock solid.

Anyone that says that Michael Bay is a horrible storyteller, yet pays to see all his films, is an idiot. Michael Bay is a master action storyteller. The story in the second film is an incredible story. I honestly teared up a little during the scene with his father in the desert. Shia Lebouf is an incredible actor, Megan Fox may not be Julia Roberts, but pulls off what she needs to. The film will break records, and I'm looking forward to the third.
ParthenonMMA - 6/25/2009, 4:34 PM
Glad I got that covered up, sorta.
SuperFlyinPwrs - 6/25/2009, 4:51 PM
This never gets old:)
"Michael Bay Blows Stuff Up A Lot" Movie Blueprint


alten2345 - 6/25/2009, 6:39 PM
RACE THING ALWAYS COMES UP, YOUD THINK FINALLY ELECTING A BLACK PRESIDENT STUFF LIKE THIS WOULD BE FINISHED...SUCKS MICHEAL JACKSON DIED
GUNSMITH - 6/25/2009, 9:56 PM
My point Superflyn is that it wasnt rasist.....its just people hatting on the movie and trying to come up with dumbass excuses
teabag - 6/26/2009, 1:13 AM
Skids and Mudflap didnt bother me coz of their ethnicity, they were just dumb in my opinion and sidelined everyone else. Jazz pissed me off a bit in the first one not because of his accent but because of his break dancing intro I'm black South African by the way. What get's to me in movies and tv is the portrayal of Africans having the same West african accent I mean really. On the ethnicity note why aren there hispanic or asian transformers? I would hav loved to hear that Audi speaking in a German accent. I must say they trailer really deceived me about who was important

The Transformers didnt get enough screen time and the new ones werent introduced properly, I dont know half their names. Ravage was badass though, Overall there was too much failed humor Jetfire farting (pretty much everything jetfire really), Devastator balls and humping Megan fox's leg really? Wasted animation in my opinion, I would have liked to see more destruction like Blackouts debut in the first movie. Ratchet and Ironhide were just relegated to C class citizens.

Anyway thats just my opinion, Soundwave was wasted by the way an I would have loved to see the Fallen transform and I was so hoping Rumble would show up
breakUbatman - 6/26/2009, 6:26 AM
Uh... If they were offensive racial stereotypes they would have died in the movie! =D
BmanHall - 6/26/2009, 11:01 AM
Well guys, Mr "Unique ability" up there says that Bay is a genius so i guess we were wrong! Transformers 2 wasn't a juvenile, schmaltzy disappointment after all. We should all love it now, and NO MORE NEGATIVE COMMENTS!..because you see, people that like the movie don't want to be seeing that!

As for Car Car Binks..they didnt offend me personally, only by being about as funny as a bag of drowned puppies..but if anyone cant see why someone could be offended by the stereotype then your either blind or being deliberately obtuse. Forget the jive talk for a second and look at them. Gold teeth, bug eyes, jug ears..that unbelievable comment about not being able to read! All bay was short of doing was have them eating watermelons for [frick] sake! So if you were not offended by them great, but don't presume to tell anyone else that they shouldn't be or that they are too sensitive. The facts are staring you in the face.
RorMachine - 6/26/2009, 11:30 AM
Ok... Look. The only people who have the right to be offended by this are the people who act as such. If somebody says, "Oh, this is racist. It makes fun of black people." Then shame on you. The characters are portrayed a stereotype, yes. It has dick to do with race. When somebody says that something like this is racist, then THAT person just implied that the entire race follows that specific stereotype.

What stereotypical category does Optimus Prime fall under??? White people???

Stereotypes created stereotypes.
BmanHall - 6/26/2009, 12:54 PM
oh, well then its ok to have them right up there on the screen then is it?. So by your rational, if in Transformers 3 Bay has a robot called Scheeny, who has a long nose, and hoards all of the Decepticon wealth from a little office on Cybotron would that be ok? I mean, he is just holding up a mirror isnt he?
RorMachine - 6/26/2009, 1:01 PM
In my last post I was just saying it shouldn't be perceived as being racist.

@ Rorschach01: To answer your question. Yes, it is ok to have them up on the screen. Every single character is in every single movie resembles somebody. Who's the person to say one stereotype is ok to show but the other one isn't? Is one portrayed as wrong or bad? If so, then why? What makes a stereotype offensive?
BmanHall - 6/26/2009, 1:59 PM
No stereotype is ok! Unfortunately they are a fact of life and a fact of movies. But there are different levels! A line can be crossed from stereotype to outright mockery and Bay crossed it imo. Like i said it didnt offend me, but i can see how someone would and i think he has some [frick]ing nerve to try to defend it by saying "it was for the kids" Hes laughing his ass off.


RorMachine - 6/26/2009, 3:50 PM
@Rorschach01

Come on Ror you dirty drunken leprechaun don't you know it's ok to mock other races for the sake of the almighty dollar? LMAO.

You better not go see Transformers 3 my friend. Rumor has it Bay is introducing several new Autobots for the next film. including one that has a bright red head, a bad temper, get's drunk and fights alot at pubs, and sounds like the Lucky Charms leprechaun and another that has slanted eyes and can't drive. Additionally there will be a new female decepticon that bitches alot and meddles in everybody's business called YENTABOT.
alten2345 - 6/26/2009, 5:05 PM
lol, sounds good! Nothing wrong with a bit of harmless stereotyping after all!..oh, wait...

I still like the Jewbot idea i came up with...i actually wouldn;t put it past the prick!
RorMachine - 6/26/2009, 5:36 PM
@Ror

Jewbot...I think you need to give me an explanation.
alten2345 - 6/26/2009, 6:57 PM
I understand what Bay is saying but the difference between Dave Chapelle's comedy and the Skids and Mudflap humor is that Chapelle is funny.
dccofer - 6/26/2009, 11:54 PM
I just saw the movie. It got kinda long towards the end & so busy with so many robots but it wz ok. I just wanted to laugh, and I did. The theater was mostly black audience and they were laughing. So, I dont know. But in reading everyones posts, I see where everyone is coming from. And to play Devils Advocate you know you have people like Eminem and other white people who, if I didnt see their videos or them on tv, would have thought they were black with how they speak if thats the case. When I first learned Eminem was white I was shocked. I remember Brian Austn Green did a skit once (on SNL I think it was) talking ebonics and he really sounded "black". Maybe the robots were imitating Eminem from 8 Mile, lol. There are ALOT of people, non blacks, who speak "gangsta", slang, ebonics etc.. I cant understand 1/2 the things my cousin says. Why do people automatically assume they were black robots? Ive seen alot of non black people look and talk just like those robots did with the gold tooth, corn rolls, baggy pants, "bling", etc.. On tv and where I live. One of the voiceovers was black and he didnt see anything wrong with them.. You would think he would say: "no Im not doing it cuz its racist" if he felt that. Anyway, just looking at it from a different perspective.
KeepItReal - 6/27/2009, 1:08 AM

DALORDTRAG - 6/27/2009, 2:41 PM
Maybe if he makes a film called "Hitler is my hero" would he be in a worse position than he is in now.


I normally would read a comment like Bay wrote and agree, but he overplayed his "jokes". If it was one line or two lines in the film it would have been fine. I am a white guy who also loves Chapelle but there is a clear line crossed here. Unintelligent lines filed the film when these 2 characters were on the screen. I wanted my money back after it was over. I was offended at the film, and hope Bay never touches another film again...
IronManisGOAT - 6/28/2009, 1:47 AM
To: DaLordTrag

You are an ignorant fool with a lacking of true education. You have a very limited vocabulary which is limited to F bombs. You prove yourself to be worthless in how you address people. If someone feels offended by something, and you call then a "dumb mother [frick]er" your basically telling them they are dumb for having an opinion. Why should anyone give you the time of day for showing the most ignorance? Is it wrong for someone to have an opinion? Is it possible you may be offended about something that another person may not? Are you then the Dumb mother [frick]er? by your standards alone, you are the dumb mother [frick]er. Done.
IronManisGOAT - 6/28/2009, 1:53 AM
Hmmm, I guess what’s most troubling to me is many peoples natural assumption that these characters are "black" in the first place. I think this may actually say more about your mindstate than that of the movie's creators. Why would you automatically associate a gold tooth, bad grammar and ignorance with being black??? Obviously you never seen some of the rednecks down South. Now, to be truthful, my first natural association of these characters was with being Ghetto, which means they could be of any "race", just Ghetto. So people lets check ourself first and stop giving others the power to define you…. Now if the characters had 12 foot mechanically penises and was cited in the movies as the forefathers of all autobotkind well then I might have assumed them to be black…LOL!!!
NAPALM - 6/28/2009, 10:56 AM
@THEHAWK- all the stirs come from liberals,because there whiny
NightAvenger4 - 6/29/2009, 9:48 PM
After reading everyone's thoughts that I fully respect.....I will wait for blu ray on this one folks.
icebergslick - 6/30/2009, 10:53 AM
right on ironmanisgoat, dear dalordtrag ur stupid sorry but u are calling every one a f**ker when, A you probably don't know what f**k means. B the point of this website is to inform us so we can complain and point out what they did wrong and how they could improve. C your a f**ker D go read a few g.i.joe comics and etc. learn what it is to be a comic book nerd like the rest of us ok have a nice day freak out!!!!!! hey NAPALM i live in the south! : )
gambitfreak - 7/6/2009, 5:51 AM
Well the movie is PG-13, that's why there's a rating...
yea, kids don't need to see this, but that's for like 8 year olds. I think teenagers are mature enough to see the movie. People just need to stop the sensitivity.... I guess you failed to realize that autobots/decepticons scan identities over the web to stay desguies. For Example, ironhide=wolverine, bumblebee=butler, skids/mudflap=random improper speaking black people. if your kid is like 10 and under, then don't take'em to PG13 movies, if he/she is older you need get out of your shell...


Transformers Rocked Sox
npg4phaze - 7/6/2009, 7:14 AM
nick cage for bumblebee!
worldbreaker - 7/7/2009, 10:53 AM
yeah you guys are looking for reasons to take offense to this. assuming that these robots are black cause they talk like that is kinda..racist. i've seen plenty of 4 foot asians and white teenagers talk the exact same way. parts of speech are not specified to ethnicity. segregation has been over for a while now and we've all kinda absorbed eachothers cultures since then. but its really hard to take the side of topgooner, him being such an idiot. and i'd just like to add; i dont respect your opinions..cause they're crap. mine's better
worldbreaker - 7/7/2009, 11:17 AM
let them come!
worldbreaker - 7/7/2009, 11:17 AM
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