More Details To Edgar Wright's ANT-MAN Departure

We already know the gist of what led to Edgar Wright abandoning the Marvel adaptation he's been working on for 7+ years, but hit the jump and check out other interesting details of what went down.

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By DCMarvelFreshman - 5/28/2014


It's only been a few days since Edgar Wright exited his adaptation of Ant-Man, and Marvel Studios is still very much eager to find his replacement and go into production in time for the film to meet its July 17, 2015, release date. However, according to The Hollywood Reporter, insiders think the studio's president of production Kevin Feige and co. may not be able to pull off the "risky" movie, which is scheduled to launch the third phase of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. "Sources say the film's key crew -- its heads of departments -- departed when it became clear production would not begin as scheduled July 28," notes THR article. "[Paul] Rudd's reps say he's still in, and a source close to the production says all key crew positions will be filled shortly." In addition, the trade magazine's insiders claim that Marvel wasn't happy with Edgar Wright's take "for weeks," and Feige had "ordered revisions of the script that was co-written by Wright and Joe Cornish." Wright was open to the revisions, but as previously reported, there were additional rewrites from within Marvel's camp without the director's input. After receiving the new revisions, it was then that Edgar Wright left the film he had been working on since 2006, before Marvel Studios was relevant. 

The Hollywood Reporter article goes on to explain how Kevin Feige's company "Marvel-izing" its adaptations has brought them into conflict with some of its previous directors as well as its stars. For example, Kenneth Branagh on Thor, Joe Johnston on Captain America: The First Avenger, original Thor: The Dark World director Patty Jenkins, and even Alan Taylor. And there's already a recent editorial on Comic Book Movie detailing the verbal scuffles that Marvel Studios has had with a handful of its actors. Anyhow, the source further notes that Edgar Wright's Ant-Man may have been "too quirky" for them, espcially since they already feel James Gunn's upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy is "out of their comfort zone." "Kevin Feige [and his top lieutenants] run Marvel with a singularity of vision, but when you take a true auteur and throw him into the mix, this is what you get," says one of The Hollywood Reporter's sources. "They don't want you to speak up too much or have too much vision. People who have never worked there don't understand how they operate, but if you trust them, they have an amazing track record." What do you think?

With a director said to be announced shortly, Ant-Man stars Paul Rudd, Michael Douglas, Evangeline Lilly, Corey Stoll, Michael Pena and Patrick Wilson, and will release on July 17, 2015.

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Highflyer - 5/28/2014, 6:00 AM
oh really?
DEVLIN712 - 5/28/2014, 6:03 AM
So Wright was still trying to make a film from 2006?
luffycapri - 5/28/2014, 6:04 AM
Iv already have known this
DEVLIN712 - 5/28/2014, 6:06 AM
I think he's playing himself up as the victim in this one. He could have made Ant-Man at anytime in the last six years but instead left to do HIS projects, most of the delays were HIS fault. And then, Marvel have moved their universe forward and Wright's idea for Ant-Man is no longer relevant, HE leaves.
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:06 AM
im still bummed about this news but hopefully edgar wright goes onto to make other great films and hopefully marvel studios makes a good ant man film with a good director....james gunn's comments and this video by AMC Movie talk have help me feel better about the situation


GrimFeature - 5/28/2014, 6:08 AM
I don't know if what Marvel do is a good or bad sometimes. For example, Iron Man 2. Then on the other hand, The Winter Soldier.
Kurne - 5/28/2014, 6:09 AM
I can... Sorta believe this. The only other director that personally approached Marvel - besides Edgar, was Jon Favreau. I think. If not, then Edgar's been unluckily out of luck since day 1.
SuperCat - 5/28/2014, 6:09 AM
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:10 AM
Devlin-he said back in 06 he wanted the technology to catch up to a point where he felt he could do the powers justice on screen and he was gonna do Ant Man before The World's End but the producer of the worlds end was diagnosed with cancer so in his honor....he did the world's end
Kurne - 5/28/2014, 6:11 AM
@DEVLIN

Agreed.
koolguy16 - 5/28/2014, 6:11 AM
I hope they reinvent this movie cuz I didn't really like the idea behind it
koolguy16 - 5/28/2014, 6:12 AM
@DEVLIN

I agree with that statement
0megaDaGod - 5/28/2014, 6:13 AM
Let it be known that Edgar could've done Ant Man in 2011 but his friend was diagnosed with cancer, so Marvel let him do The World's End for his dying friend and pushed Ant Man back for a 3rd time
0megaDaGod - 5/28/2014, 6:13 AM
Oh damn, Ezio said it
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:14 AM
koolguy-they arent gonna reinvent it, they are gonna keep that idea ,they are just gonna mesh it more within the MCU then wright wanted to do, he wanted it be standalone and i hope they keep that idea because as i have said before...i actually really like the idea of scott lang being the main character.. i think that was a decision by both marvel and edgar..edgar really wanted to do a version of "to steal an ant man" ..it was the first comic book he ever read and it was close to his heart but i also think lang was made the main character cause this movie started being made in 06 which is the around the same time iron man and incredible hulk were being developed and i think marvel went with lang because they didnt want to do another scientist/inventor turned hero story..ant man was gonna be one of the first phase 1 films so they didnt want to repeat themselves for a third time so they went with a thief turned hero and i am fine with that..i liked the idea of it being this sci fi action adventure film with a comedic element as wright said in interviews and having pym being a cold war spy/adventurer in the 60s as he was in Tales to Astonish and it then going over to scott lang and then both of them teaming up...i love that idea and hopefully it is kept
RexDartEskimoSpy - 5/28/2014, 6:14 AM
I look forward to Edgar's next film, "Gnat-Man" starring starring Simon Pegg and Bill Nighy.
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:15 AM
omegadagod-that was an unfortunate situation.. i liked that he honored his friend and Marvel allowed it..guess they arent as heartless as some people here like to think
0megaDaGod - 5/28/2014, 6:16 AM
I still don't understand how these types of disagreements could still be coming into play this deep into production though, unless both sides were trying to change something

It would be nice to hear something directly from the horses' mouth
McGee - 5/28/2014, 6:17 AM
So he f*cked Kevin Feige's wife....
McGee - 5/28/2014, 6:18 AM
That's the subtext I took away from all this.
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:18 AM
omegadagod-they maybe werent happening this deep into production..this may have happening for a while and now they decided to part ways causse they werent meshing well
DEVLIN712 - 5/28/2014, 6:20 AM
@Ezio/0mega
I see, that makes more sense. That said though, with the exception of '11, he could have made it on many occasions.
StarYeezus - 5/28/2014, 6:25 AM
Sounds similar to what happened with Brave at Pixar. But even in that situation, the finished product stayed true to the original director's vision. I hope this becomes the case.
StingyFox - 5/28/2014, 6:26 AM
I can understand the need to possibly update the 2006 version to make it more relevant in the MCU, but still... when you have someone who DEDICATED all of those years into making a not-so interesting superhero into an interesting film, you can't just go behind his back. Wright was the only thing that had me interested about this, especially with that freaking AWESOME Test Footage he shot. But now... not so much.
NoMore - 5/28/2014, 6:27 AM
From a producer's point of view, Marvel isn't wrong. They need a success, not a risky movie. Edgar Wright has an unique vision but his movies are not that successful at box-office, with flop (Scott Pilgrim) or meh BO (End's world).

thewonderer - 5/28/2014, 6:27 AM
Devlin, what are you talking about? Wright was ready to make this film since The World's End.

Here's a quote from Stan Lee

"Because that character (Ant-Man) isn't one of their biggest properties, it's not like a tentpole deadline ... It's more like me and [Marvel Studios president] Kevin Feige saying, 'Let's make a really good script.' We've always agreed on that — 'Let's make a good script that works, that's all about a great genre film, and that isn't necessarily relying on anything else'".

Now this statement sounds like complete bullshit.

Also, yes Edgar delayed production for World's End but Marvel has had Ant-Man slotted for Phase 3 for some time now so I don't see how they were so against Wright on that.

Marvel Studios always makes the same type of movie. Wright wanted to go deeper and they said no. That's what I'm getting from this story.
charlie2094 - 5/28/2014, 6:28 AM
Still disappointed this happened, but good to have more clearance on it.

Still don't understand how these disagreements have only just happened, they've been doing pre-production for how long? Something new must have come up that they wanted to try and squeeze in to the film...shame the film didn't go ahead earlier, would likely have still had Edgar and the same script

Hopefully they don't change too much of it, should soon announce the new director. Sounds like Edgar wanted it to be a bit more standalone which they were initially behind but now very recently have changed their minds
Dinotron - 5/28/2014, 6:28 AM
I mean neither are really the bad guy.

Wright wanted creative freedoms with his film that any director loves to have. He had a plan way back in 2006. And I'm guessing he can't see his vision come to past. It's really sad for the guy

And

Marvel has a cinematic universe and every piece HAS to fit in their universe. They shouldn't be seen as evil or bad when they have a plan they have set up. It's the first cinematic universe so directors are going to have to loosen their hold their creativity on any marvel film
ezio619 - 5/28/2014, 6:29 AM
also i refuse, completely REFUSE to believe that marvel wouldnt let him do his vision of the film and that marvel didnt let him do his vision of the film and that edgar wright wanted to be creative and marvel didnt which is complete and utter BS imo.. first all of all..if marvel didnt want to be creative ..they wouldnt be doing this movie........... plus if they let james gunn do what he wanted to do, they would let edgar wright do what he wanted to do cause Gunn is much more out there and wild director then wright..plus i also dont believe that disney would interfere cause the movies have been making shitloads of money...james gunn has said and i trust him cause james gunn is not beyond criticizing studios , he is very blunt guy but he said marvel does its own thing..disney just help distribute and market the films aswell as get the box office money aswell..plus gunn said on his facebook on the post he did about the dgar wright/ marvel split, that the whole Rocket pulling his crotch shot in the trailer was suggested by Disney and theythought it would fit Rocket's personality so enough with that disney is gonna kiddify these films or whatever....its said that this isnt happening but lets hope we still get a good ant man film with a good director and that wright goes onto do good stuff...there is more happening here then we know so lets not jump to conlusions but then again..this is the internet..
thewonderer - 5/28/2014, 6:29 AM
NoMore

What are you talking about? This is a Marvel movie. It would sell itself. Edgar Wright would not detriment the box office in any way.

You think with a new director they'll get a bigger BO? I mean no one knows who James Gunn is in the GA
0megaDaGod - 5/28/2014, 6:30 AM
@Wonderer

"Also, yes Edgar delayed production for World's End but Marvel has had Ant-Man slotted for Phase 3 for some time now so I don't see how they were so against Wright on that."


Marvel did not ALWAYS have Ant Man slotted for phase 3. Wright himself confirmed that he could've done it in 2011, but wanted to do World's end instead. You likely would've gotten Ant Man last year if not for Wright doing his own thing
JediPhilosopher - 5/28/2014, 6:30 AM
Marvel isn't just guarding its characters, it's guarding its universe. "Visions" may produce movies that do well (Nolans TDK trilogy) but if they get the characters wrong (Nolans TDK trilogy) it makes it impossible to get things right in the universe. I could have included Man of Steel in my example as well, but it was merely a product of the legacy of TDK trilogy imo. Successfull movies, but at the expense of big changes to most of the already well established characters, and those directors got their "visions", but so what, the characters are not right at all. One man's vision is another man's crap. And yet despite the crappiness, it can still be a good movie. But a good movie is not the goal. It's THE UNIVERSE. ALL the characters. Getting them all right.
JediPhilosopher - 5/28/2014, 6:33 AM
And of course, in the long-run, making good money is also a goal. But, it isnt necessary nor desireable to radically change beloved characters in the process. I can tell you, man of Steel pretty much ruined Superman. The only way to fix it is to erase the changes they made. To reboot. To pretend Man of Steel didn't happen. Yet, I guess they're moving forward.
0megaDaGod - 5/28/2014, 6:33 AM
You guys need to stop misconstrueing the meaning of 'Wright's vision'. From what we know, it had nothing to do with the type of movie he was making. The only reason they were making Ant Man was because Wright approached them about it. The only likely variable was what actually happened in the story, likely in connection to the rest of the MCU.
NoMore - 5/28/2014, 6:33 AM
@thewonderer: what are you talking about? Audience doesn't know about Marvel Studios - Fox - Sony, they know 'Marvel'. There are still people who believes Spider-Man will be in Avengers.

What's the point? They have to sell the movie right for the audience. Elektra, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Blade: Trinity, Punisher, PWZ, F4: Rise of SS are all Marvel movies but or they're flop or meh BO.

I hate so much the first Thor. Too much comedy, too much stupidity. But, from a producer's point of view, that comedy and stupidity have sell the movie to generic audience.
RexDartEskimoSpy - 5/28/2014, 6:37 AM
I've loved everything Edgar Wright has done (Spaced, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Scott Pilgrim, World's End), but even Simon Pegg has said he's a perfectionist who's a pain in the ass to work with (though it's worth it), so I can completely understand why this shook out the way it did. Still sucks for everyone involved.
thewonderer - 5/28/2014, 6:38 AM
And the James Gunn comparison doesn't apply here.

GOTG looks like a fun action comedy. That is what all Marvel films are. It's colorful and unique in its characters but action comedy is again the tone.

Now Wright makes comedies with meaning and often dark elements. He adds a lot of drama to his films. What with Simon Pegg's character in Worlds End being a man who couldn't grow up and had to go to rehab. A man who let his friends die because of his obsession of wanting to stay a kid.

I believe Wright wanted to incorporate a lot of darker more interesting elements to Ant-Man but Marvel would not go beyond a certain level of meaning and drama.
MARVELPSYCHO79 - 5/28/2014, 6:40 AM
I'm glad he's gone.Get rid of Old Man Pym too in the script.Cast Patrick Wilson as modern day Pym.They can make Michael Douglas a villain like Redford.Hopefully the script changes are for them to make modern day Pym younger and not old.Pym was not old in the comics when he let Scott Lang take the Ant Man mantle.Hell,Pym is still young in the present in the comics.
Enphlieuwince - 5/28/2014, 6:42 AM
Round 3

TheYoungMan - 5/28/2014, 6:42 AM
@Jedi What characters were "wrong" in TDK trilogy? And how were they more wrong than most characters in the MCU or X-Men universe?
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