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Hugo Weaving in Talks for Red Skull in Marvel's Captain America?

According to THR, Marvel & Joe Johnston has found their Red Skull, to battle against Captain America. Make the jump
With all the confusion for Marvel Studios & director, Joe Johnston, finding Captain America himself, it seems they may have the supporting cast in placed. From THR...



Marvel Studios has zeroed in on Hugo Weaving to play the villainous Red Skull in “Captain America.”

The dealmaking with Weaving is in a delicate stage that will play out in the next day or so. Agencies grouse that Marvel plays hardball in the negotiating process and also demands multi-movie commitments, though the latter usually applies to actors playing its heroes.

If a deal happens, it would reunite the actor with Johnston, with whom he worked in the recent horror thriller “The Wolfman.” The CAA-repped Weaving already is known to genre fans as bad guy Agent Smith of the “Matrix” movies and elf ruler Elrond of the “Lord of the Rings” trilogy.


(Red Skull Drawing courtesy of Cowboy-Lucas of DeviantArt)

MarvelFreshman: It's strange how also in Thor's casting process, the villain was announced first. Anyhow this is just the first of many announcements to come. From Deadline's recent Cap article, they said they had a female lead. So for those thinking the film will get pushed back because of casting, Marvel hasn't been slacking with the supporting cast.
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298 Comments

HELL YEAH...AGAIN.
OSCURO - 3/11/2010, 9:33 PM
I knew that hugo weaving would be cast as red skull because he worked with joe johnston in the wolfman.
charbelelnasr - 3/11/2010, 9:35 PM
Okay I LOVE Hugo Weaving but I say they should get Christoph Waltz for Red Skull. lol. Thats just me.
InstigatorGIRL - 3/11/2010, 9:35 PM
hmmmm interesting choice...
Rokrad - 3/11/2010, 9:35 PM
He is such a good actor. V for Vendetta is one of my all-time favorite movies.
pietro - 3/11/2010, 9:37 PM
I say a Hell Yeah!

I can see it now...

Red Skull in a monotne voice: "Prepare to die, Mr. Rogers."

Captain America: mr. rogers mr. T breakdance Pictures, Images and Photos
"Please won't you be, my neighbor?"

I can see it.

HAWK out
THEHAWK - 3/11/2010, 9:41 PM
If this is true, then we are finally starting to see the upsides of this film :D
Breasticles7 - 3/11/2010, 9:42 PM
I'm with you on this, IG. Waltz stood out as both classy and menacing. However, at least we know Weaving can do a good fight scene.
Ugh - 3/11/2010, 9:43 PM
This is amazing.
Trebuchet - 3/11/2010, 9:45 PM
Pretty nice.

But he reminds me more of Zemo. IDK, just me.

But Mads Mikkelsen is still the perfect RS.
InTylerWeTrust - 3/11/2010, 9:46 PM
I can't believe none of us thought of Weaving when we were making the poll for Red Skull. He's perfect!
Breasticles7 - 3/11/2010, 9:46 PM
Waltz was great as a slimy/charismatic/intellectual/ Nazi but that is the opposite of Red skull
P862010 - 3/11/2010, 9:46 PM
I can dig it.
Joker1Zero - 3/11/2010, 9:46 PM
Weaving as any Villan will Work....i Love It!!!
Kes - 3/11/2010, 9:47 PM
HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Aki87 - 3/11/2010, 9:53 PM
[frick]IN SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!
antonio valdez - 3/11/2010, 9:53 PM
Good actor, but kind of a one-note actor.

I would have liked a Michael Fassbender type:

A) versatile actor that has charm so even while you're hating him you can't help but have an emotionally conflicted reaction
B) is younger AND you would believe could pose a physical threat to Captain America. Personally, I think that if the Red Skull doesn't look like he can kick Cap's a$$, it weakens the character.

I like what Marvel's done with casting. But this is a bad choice.

80sFace - 3/11/2010, 9:55 PM
YESS!!!, only problem is that he has to work on the Hobbit and Cap, which both start filming this summer, oh well, great move by Marvel! :)
punisher23 - 3/11/2010, 9:56 PM
I would have still preferred Jackie Earle Hailey or Daniel Day Lewis, but Hugo Weaving is by no means a bad pick for this role.
TheDrizzle - 3/11/2010, 9:56 PM
Mads is The Red Skull but Hugo is very nice.

Nice find MF!
DogsOfWar - 3/11/2010, 9:56 PM
Meh.

I would rather they have gotten someone more... intimidating.
MovieTheaterLad - 3/11/2010, 9:56 PM
Hugo is wicked talented, any film would benefit from Hugo being in it.
ASSASSIN666 - 3/11/2010, 9:57 PM
EITHER HUGO,CHRISTOPH WALTZ(INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS,GREEN HORNET),OR MICHAEL FASSBENDER(INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS,JONAH HEX)EITHER OF THESE CHOICES WOULD MAKE ME HAPPY
antonio valdez - 3/11/2010, 9:58 PM
This is brilliant casting. But I would absolutely love it if they would just tell us who the hell is playing Cap already.
JLanphear - 3/11/2010, 9:59 PM
Not a bad choice at all. My hope is that CBMs have advanced to the point where the old formula in the first movie where the origin of the hero parallels the origin of the villain then they get together at the end and fight & the hero wins is matured such as in TDK where the villain just 'is.' Maybe Red Skull's origin could be revealed in Cap 2. Maybe the fight at the end isn't the same old thing, maybe Cap doesn't win.
California - 3/11/2010, 10:00 PM
As others have stated, I'd rather have Mads, but Hugo is a great choice as well.

By damn...it looks like we may be getting somewhere!
ecksmanfan - 3/11/2010, 10:03 PM
What? Possible good news about Captain America? I'm stunned!
BIGBMH - 3/11/2010, 10:05 PM
Waltz would be great, but there is no way I can see him portraying another crazy Nazi killer so soon after he just became famous for doing it in Basterds.

I'd rather see Weaving as Zemo, I can absolutely see him as the sadistic Nazi scientist, and Mads would be RS. He's incredibly intimidating, bad-ass, sinister, and has the perfect voice too.

I'd be content with Weaving I suppose, but there are better choices out there for Red Skull IMO.
InTylerWeTrust - 3/11/2010, 10:07 PM
Id perfer him for The Riddler, but this is awesome
ottoevans - 3/11/2010, 10:07 PM
OH THIS IS A GOOD PICK.
GUNSMITH - 3/11/2010, 10:08 PM
[frick]ing unreal-

But seriously, what the [frick] is wrong with Marvel? They're offering the Captain America actors 600,000 (insultingly low for the lead in such a huge film) and have options for NINE more movies? Thats like selling your soul for twenty bucks. You think it was epic for Hugh Jackman through the X-men movies? What if like two movies in, Marvel starts making really shitty films? Then you're [frick]ed, you have to potentially make 7 more- of what we all hope will be unreal, but could very well turn into Transformers-esque cluster[frick]s. If I were an actor with a bit of cred, I would seriously balk at that kind of deal.

Just some food for thought- you combine Pierce Brosnan and Daniel Craigs runs on James Bond, you get Six Films. That period runs from 1995 to today, 2010. Sure there were delays, but I garuntee there will be for Marvel Films too. Seriously- 15 goddamned years? Oh, and Craig is contracted for one more, which will probably out in a few years. Thats more time than the Army asks for...

They cast good people, but they keep penny pinching. This is why Terrence Howard was abruptly cut out of Iron Man 2 (he had been paid a lot for IM1, so when his contract defaulted, they cut him out, rather than renegotiate) we almost didn't get Mickey Rourke as Whiplash, and I suspect that a lot of the difficulty in casting characters like Black Widow and Cap, have been related to their obsession with paying the least amount possible.

Maybe if they were willing to folk over some cash, the shortlist for Captain America would include all the people we'd REALLY wanted- DiCaprio, Damon, Pitt, etc.
DannyRand401 - 3/11/2010, 10:13 PM
Hell To The Yes.

"Good evening, Mr. Rogers. We've been waiting for you."

NOW WE NEED KEANU AS CAP!

T2 - 3/11/2010, 10:13 PM
T2@ Keanu was born in Lebanon soo technically he's not american haha.
Breasticles7 - 3/11/2010, 10:16 PM
Perfect !!
But Who's gonna wield the Shield ?
gunner - 3/11/2010, 10:16 PM
@ Breasticles: Dang. My Matrix reunion=FAIL.
T2 - 3/11/2010, 10:19 PM
This is totally uninspired.

They need an actor that plays more than just a bad guy or the a$$h*le (Lord of the Rings not withstanding). Someone with range, that even though there's nothing likable or redeemable about the Red Skull, you don't hate right from the beginning. It becomes a caricature otherwise, like Bond villains. Weaving is the uber-bad guy. As soon as he comes on screen he might as well be wearing a sign around his neck that says: "I'm the a$$hole!" To me, it's a cheat. The bad guy has to EARN our hatred by his actions, not because he has Weaving's hypno-monotone voice.

They also need an actor that looks like he can kick Cap's a$$. Hugo Weaving? Yawn.
80sFace - 3/11/2010, 10:19 PM
@ T2 Sorry to burst your bubble big guy<3
Breasticles7 - 3/11/2010, 10:20 PM
Well, still: Weaving in talks to play the Skull

Mind=Blown.
T2 - 3/11/2010, 10:21 PM
@ 80sFace idk wth you're talking about or smoking

i like Weaving, he's the type of actor that can play anything from villians (Megatron, Agent Smith) to heroes (V, Elrond), but Christoph Waltz is a great actor but he shouldnt be type casted as an evil Nazi general
lilej2 - 3/11/2010, 10:24 PM
DannyRand401@ DiCaprio, Damon, Pitt for Cap? Don't include me in the "We'd...". They're casting for Cap, not his father. ;-) Who wants an old and over-used actor playing the part? Not me.

If you look at the cast of IM2 and Thor, I can hardly see where they skimped on quality actors.

Marvel stated that they would pick an unknown for Cap and surround him with more known actors. I don't have an issue with that as long as Cap can act and look the part. If he is an unknown, then $600,000 isn't a bad pay day with 9 more to come. That deal sucks if you are DiCaprio, Damon, Pitt, etc. but not if you are an unknown. I would rather see an unknown that can grow with the role and be identified as Cap over the next 10 years, instead of having someone older an more known that we have already identified in our minds with other movie roles. That's just me though.

I am perfectly fine with Weaving playing Red Skull. Apparently some of you haven't seen all the other movies he has been in. Don't judge him just off the big name blockbusters that you have seen.
Ranger14 - 3/11/2010, 10:28 PM
I tell you who does need to be typecast: Tom Cruise.

Give him a movie where he's in the looney house and keep casting him in those roles. That guy is nuttier than a fruit cake/
T2 - 3/11/2010, 10:28 PM
@lilej2: from Megatron - the voice of the evil robot - or Agent Smith - the evil agent? In Lord of the Rings, as Tolkien wrote him, Elrond was a bit of a bastard, and the way Weaving played him was almost unsympathetic, except for a few melodramatic scenes with his daughter. And in the Wolfman, even though he's there to protect the town people, he's still unlikable.

Like I said, he's a decent enough actor, I just think it's a cheat and that they could do way better.

And only the best. That's what I'm smoking. ;)
80sFace - 3/11/2010, 10:31 PM
great news! let's hope the rest of the supporting cast is this good...


ChristopherM - 3/11/2010, 10:37 PM
Wait. Is this news? or a rumor?
Joker1Zero - 3/11/2010, 10:40 PM
@Ranger14

Fair enough, I'm not against going for unknowns for certain roles- but its taking a huge gamble when there are established actors who are at the top of their game, and would do outstanding jobs if given the parts.

But whatever- say they go for an unknown, you chop out a whole bunch of actors who might audition for the role- many horrible, a few great. Okay, but when you go for an unknown, who has to play such an iconic and difficult character (he could easily come off as a joke/and asshole, or both) I don't think you have the luxury of limiting yourself even furthur by putting insane stipulations on the contract. It seems totally logical to me that there are a lot of unknown actors out there who'll balk at such a constraining deal, that eats up so much of their career (and personal life) for relatively little money.

The ratio of good to bad choices for Cap are pretty bad when you come down to it- and anything that limits their pool of potentials even further, makes their casting choice more difficult. Plus you add the time constraints, and right now it feels like they're grasping at straws.

I don't think there's an abundance of people who can look/play this role well. The Casting people need all the help they can get, or they're gonna crash and burn. :(
DannyRand401 - 3/11/2010, 10:40 PM
Marvels plan is working they already have casted cap and are shooting scenes and will be releasing a trailer soon and we will all be surprised!!!!
cptamericanotsomuch - 3/11/2010, 10:42 PM
For those who suggest Weaving is a one-dimensional actor, I suggest you take a look at Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert. If that doesn't convince you he is a diverse actor, I don't know what will, but throw in Russian Doll and Proof and that should be enough to show he is one very skilled actor.
Ranger14 - 3/11/2010, 10:45 PM
@Joker1Zero

well Brian Bandis was re-Tweeting this....plus it's THR they don't publish stuff without sources..I'm sure it's directly form Marvel Studios to calm down the fans over the horrible handling of the casting of Steve Rogers..
ChristopherM - 3/11/2010, 10:45 PM
Now Pick Captain America
SHHH - 3/11/2010, 10:46 PM
Danny@ my take on it is that Cap is such an iconic figure and to bring him to life on the big screen he should be someone that is fresh, new and we know he is going to have to be able to play the part for the next 10-15 years. That would pretty much limit the selection to relatively young actors who aren't that well established. So many actors we have already identified with other roles and I would like to see whoever gets Cap to be like Toby Maguire was to Spiderman...not in an acting sense, but in the sense that we pretty much think of Maguire as Spiderman and nothing else. That is what I would like to have happen with Cap and whoever gets the part. Don't know if that makes sense to others or not.
Ranger14 - 3/11/2010, 10:52 PM
Ok thanks. That IS somewhat comforting. At least now we know they've cast SOMEBODY.
Joker1Zero - 3/11/2010, 10:54 PM
Love this news! Hugo Weaving's been great in anything I've seen him in. :)
Runefyst - 3/11/2010, 10:55 PM
Good choice.
Shadowelfz - 3/11/2010, 11:02 PM
How would they translate this villain to film?
Hmm...maybe he was captured by the Russians or something and became a torture victim who had a his lips cut off and his face burned?
Joker1Zero - 3/11/2010, 11:09 PM
@ Ranger
I totally hear you man- all I'm saying is, that Tobey only did 3 movies and it took like 10 years. We're talking about potentially 9 films... its just a lot to ask of somebody, and I'm worried that some great unknown choices might pass because of it.

At the end of the day though, all we want is a great actor- and here's hoping we get one!
DannyRand401 - 3/11/2010, 11:13 PM
This movie will be another punisher, if hugo gets cast then great, but he alone cannot save this movie
thenumber12 - 3/11/2010, 11:13 PM


thenumber12@: Why are you and half the other people in the loop about this film so skeptical? Where's the optimism?



abw2 - 3/11/2010, 11:24 PM
@ Danny I hear you too. My thought is that it is an unknown's ticket to stardom. Yes, it is a huge commitment, but it pretty much assures them of being an icon if they play Captain America in 9 movies. They may be willing to do it because of that. They just better not suck! lol
Ranger14 - 3/11/2010, 11:31 PM
@EVERYONE. Can you all look at this and let me knwo if the images and sound work?

Youtube seems to hate my videos, apparently even my own voice is not allowed...



Thanks, I appreciate it. It is for a story I am working on about the Suicide Squad.


HAWK out
THEHAWK - 3/11/2010, 11:32 PM
@Ranger14: Even as a drag queen, Weaving kicks ass. He's a great actor with a lot of range. I think V for Vendetta is a great example of him being a likable fellow.

@DannyRand401: But I think the 9 picture deal includes things like cameos and group movies. If the person is in a movie for a few minutes (a la Sam Jackson in Iron Man 1), it's not that big of a deal. Does anyone know if the actor is, also, getting a percentage of royalties? That would sweeten the pot as well.

@Joker1Zero: I really hope they make it some screwed up mask like they did with Scarecrow in Batman Begins. Instead of making him disfigured, make him a seriously messed up individual with a mask. That's how his origin in the comics is.
Upupandaway - 3/11/2010, 11:37 PM
@Upupandaway - Ok. That makes more sense. I could see a mask working out.
Joker1Zero - 3/11/2010, 11:41 PM
@abw2: you have to admit, a majority or marvel films suck; fantastic 4, daredevil, punisher, the first hulk, spi;er man 3, blade 3, elektra, nick fury agent of sheild, x-men 3, x-men origins wolverine and countless others, it is hard to be optomistic.
It just seems like they are trying to include a lot into one movie, and i dont think it will work out.
I think at best, we will have another fantastic 4, a peice of shit
thenumber12 - 3/11/2010, 11:44 PM
a very good choice.
MAYBE CHRISTOPH WALTZ FROM INGLORIOUS BASTERDS.
HE COULD PLAY AN EXCELLENT RED SKULL.
deadpool72 - 3/11/2010, 11:50 PM
a very good choice.
MAYBE CHRISTOPH WALTZ FROM INGLORIOUS BASTERDS.
HE COULD PLAY AN EXCELLENT RED SKULL.
deadpool72 - 3/11/2010, 11:51 PM
Both Chistoph Waltz and Hugo Weaving are too good of actors to embarrass themselves with such a stupid movie, marvel should just leave Cap. America out of the avengers all together, he has to be the lamest super hero ever, i mean, America sucks, its filled with a bunch of over weight greedy bastards who dont care about any one else unless they have something to gain from it. Marvel might as well cast George Bush as Cap. America.
thenumber12 - 3/11/2010, 11:57 PM
@thenumber12...agreed that most of those movies suck but none of those movies were movies from Marvel Studios...thats why they sucked...imagine comic books were leased out to other companies...they'd all wreck that train too...although Daredevil Directors Cut instantly pushed that move from the bottom of the pile to somewhere in the middle...

I like this casting, Weaving has not disappointed before so I am comfortable with him in the role...not sure if Red Skull is supposed to sound German or not...don't recall if that was ever really addressed in the comics...(obviously I know he's with the Nazi's but accent or no accent?)

P.S....on an unrelatd note...I just picked up a couple of SICK DEADPOOL COMICS...man the artwork in some of them is soo good...the covers are so sick that I am considering framing them to hang in my place...none of my friends care at all about this pick up however I can always trust that someone on here will...hahahaha
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 12:01 AM
@InstigatorGIRL---THANK YOU!!! Cristoph Waltz would be AMAZING as Red Skull!! Absolutley PERFECT FIT
brandon34 - 3/12/2010, 12:07 AM
awwww no photoshop here ???.....so sad i was at least hoping for some shaman drawings ...jaja
SauronCorps - 3/12/2010, 12:13 AM
@continuezero
I will stand by what i say untill i see a trailer, although you do bring up a vaild point
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:14 AM
@thenumber12....Yeah I agree you never know till it comes out...and Marvel did do Punisher War Zone and somehow effed that up too...although there were a couple of trailers for War Zone that I saw that made it look good so sometimes you can't really tell from a trailer..I'm willing to give Cap a chance...I think if it's sucessful it could eventually translate into Civil War on screen..that would be bad ass...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 12:17 AM
@continuezero
Yea, Punisher did suck, and dont get me wrong, Iron Man 2 looks great, and i really think Thor is gona be sick, but i really think Captain America will suck, i just think he is a stupid comic book character and i think it will be hard to bring his character to life without being silly or stupid, but hey, im really hoping im wrong
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:23 AM
LOL @ the guy who wanted DiCaprio, Damon, and Pitt. Not only are they as far as you can get from the ideals of Captain America, they would be terrible trying to act like him. Seriously?
ViperXX79 - 3/12/2010, 12:27 AM
@ViperXX79
and who would you want to be captain america, because if you say ackles you can go [frick] yourself
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:29 AM
@thenumber12...See I disagree a little, I think Thor is gonna be the toughest one to get done right...Cap I think is the easier of the two...the only thing with Cap is that you need to find an actor that can command the same screen presence as RDJ...if there's the usual friction between them when the team is formed then I don't wanna see Iron Man walkin all over Cap...I sided with Cap in Civil War...hahaha
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 12:29 AM
Great News. I would have never in a million years thought of Hugo as Red Skull. It's good that they've chosen such an accomplished actor for the role, but there are certainly people better for the part. This casting distraction from Marvel may just make me a bit more optimistic about the movie. Maybe.

@HAWK

Yeah, the video works fine. The music and images are in sync. Nicely done
supermarioworldE - 3/12/2010, 12:32 AM
@continuezero.. Im all about Iron Man for civil war haha, but i can see where you are coming from for the entire movie thing. But i think it would be easier to make up some fictional story about Thor than try to make up a semi fictional story about cap.america that stays true to WWII and the comic, i really dont know, Captain America has always been my least fav. super hero so maybe im being a little judgemental but whatever,i hope the movie proves me wrong, if not, im gona rub it in everyones face haha
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:36 AM
@NUmber12. Why don't you do us all a favor and pull that stick out of your ass.

If you feel that "he [Captain America] has to be the lamest super hero ever, i mean, America sucks, its filled with a bunch of over weight greedy bastards who dont care about any one else unless they have something to gain from it. Marvel might as well cast George Bush as Cap. America."

Just don't see the damn movie, quit bitching about something that we don't even know anything about. They have yet to cast anyone.

If you feel that way about America in general, if you are here, leave. America may have fat and greedy people in charge, but look at what it does for the world. For one thing, American's donate billions in aid to foreign nations.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 12:39 AM
@Supermario.

Thanks man, Youtube has been giving me problems.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 12:39 AM
If he going to play the Red Skull, I can tell you he already did as Agent Smith.
wolf1 - 3/12/2010, 12:39 AM
@THEHAWK
First off, i thought you were dead.
Second, it is my god damn right as an american to say what i want, and if you are trying to tell me to shut up, then you are un-ameircan, not me.
Third, America does nothing for the world unless it has something to gain, so [frick]ing next time you try to call me out know what you are talking about you idiot.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:43 AM
@thenumber12 Always good to see an American gettin upset about someone criticising their country...

@THEHAWK I like the States, I visit from Canada all the time but for every good thing you can mention that the country does, there's a negative thing that reflects poorly...like I said I like it there...I just hate seeing negative things happen there, and to the country...all I can say is the rest of the world has an unbiased opinion...sometimes...haha sometimes it's just hatred or jealousy...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 12:47 AM
@THEHAWK
Lets look at the war in the middle east, can you say oil?
Okay, an earthquake in Haiti, hmm, lets send s few mill their way to get people to look away from the fact that we are raping the middle east for everything they have, forcing democracy in a bunch of countries that don't want it.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:50 AM
@Number12.

First off. No I am obviously alive.

Second. Yes it is your right to say what you want. But it is hypocritical to criticize the country of America when you yourself are a member of that nation and reaping the benefits of it. If you don’t like it, leave, or better yet, work to improve it, rather than complain on an internet forum.

Third. No one does anything for purely generous reasons all peoples/nations commit resources/time/money to a cause because they expect some form of a return, whether it be trade alliances, diplomatic gain, military support, or simply for recognition.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 12:55 AM
@thenumber12--if the reason you don't like Cap is that you think America is ridiculous, well...you obviously don't understand his purpose. Captain America is NOT a symbol of what America IS, he's a symbol of what America SHOULD BE.

Secondly, you want us to stop sending money to Haiti?
contrast - 3/12/2010, 12:58 AM
@continuezero
Trust me, i dont care about people criticising america, i just dont like ignorant people like THEHAWK who think america is the best country in the world and only do good. Because THEHAWK is probably undereducacted and i feel bad for people like him, but whatever, its not my place to pass judgment.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 12:58 AM
Yes, THEHAWK, seeing how i joined the peacecorps and gave 2 years of my life to a starving tribe in africa, i am obviously reaping the benefits of being an Ameircan. Im not trying to improve the world we live in or anything..

For anyone who doesnt agree with me, go live in a third world country for 2 years, then tell me this capitalistic country we live in is the answer to the worlds problems.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:02 AM
@thenumber12 I was referring to what THEHAWK said in response to you...I assumed that were not american..haha
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 1:02 AM
@Continuezero. But the other nations are jsut as biased as we Americans are. One of my roommates in college was from Kenya. He was taught that everyone in America was rich and spoiled, or they thought they were better than everyone else. When he came here, he found out that was not the case.

@Number12. I think the slaughter of thousands of Kurds by Saddam Husein, or the thousands of bodies found in unmarked mass graves? Those alone are enough reason to remove a brutal dictator that was torturing his people.

As for the war in Iraq being all about oil, well Iraqi oil only counts for less then a tenth of our oil imports. Wow, we are cleaning up over there, aren't we.

And for Haiti. The only thing we gain from it is political clout with other nations.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:04 AM
@continuezero, haha i understand where i might not sound american, but i do love this country, just not the government and the idiotic people that live here
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:05 AM
@thenumber12 No offense sir but if you have the right to say what you want then THEHAWK has every right to tell you to SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH. lol. And who's being un-american when you're sitting here bad mouthing America, granted I don't agree with everything our country does but as far as I'm concerned (and this is for everyone from anywhere) if you're gonna sit there and just bad mouth your country then don't sit there and say as a citizen of this country I have the rights, because as far as I'm concerned, no you don't.
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 1:05 AM
@LEEE

Just finished watching "Into the Blue 2" (don't waste your time). However, the lead, Chris Carmack wasn't bad. At least his delivery wasn't, the script was horrible, and the dude who played his best friend was atrocious, but he and Laura Vandervoort were both OK. I started to do some research on him and saw that he was one of your old picks.
NICELY DONE.
I'd have to see him in more to give my support, but he certainly has the look:



And one with your famous sparkles :P



Anyone see him in anything else?
Talontd - 3/12/2010, 1:08 AM
@THEHAWK
So, you really think you or Ameirca has the right to go into a country and say, "Hey, [frick] you and your views, America is here to tell you what the [frick] to do"

And if you are really think we are cleaning up there, i lost my 3 best friends to that war, so no, I dont think we are "cleaning up" over there
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:08 AM
@thenumber12 You have to love the unintelligent responses...if you criticise your country then you're not a part of it and therefore your "Human Rights" don't apply...oh and don't forget to "Shut your Wh*re Mouth"...god forbid there could be any problems with the states...Admission is the first step...but no matter our differences...Captain America will be able to unite all of us...come May 2011...we will all cease to argue...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 1:10 AM
@InstigatorGIRL
You look like a fat whore, so againm i will say, go give 2 years of your life to help another country, because i know i have done more for this world than your fat whore ass
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:11 AM
@Number12. I am far from undereducated. And I do not appreciate the remark agains my intelligence. i did not insult your intelligence or education did I?

And I don't want your pity.

And no, I don't think America is the best, not by a long shot. I have seen enough horrors here in America to prove that.

I wasn't in the peacecorp. I was here in America trying to support my family while attempting to work my way through college. I went on aid trips in college, I know what the world is like, things are hard all around. I never had anything handed to me, I learned to work for what I have.

And as for living in a third world country, come live in rural Georgia and Alabama. there are places here where the poverty and troubles are just as bad as a thirdworld country.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:13 AM
@continuezero
I have to agree, even though i used the word whore more than once in my last post, at least i know what im talking about, i just get really upset when people try to sound like they know what they are talking about when they really have no idea, its just very annoying
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:13 AM
seriously the guy from the oc? hell no. better keep looking
odie00 - 3/12/2010, 1:14 AM
Oil 12?.... hhmmm, I think if that were the only reason for the war seven years later the US price would be somewhat less than $2.73 on average per gallon. So I don't think that argument holds up well as time has gone on.

Also as an American both you and HAWK have the right to say what you want. What's more HAWK (and I for that matter) have the right to disagree with you. Like my Grandfather always say, "You have every right to say what you want and I have every right to disagree, or pop you in the mouth for it so long as I know I'm spending a night in the can for it." Nothing UnAmerican there. Just the words of an old war vet and rough neck.

Are we self serving? Yes. But are we also the people that willingly rush to help whenever things go bad for anyone else? Yes. Even nations that dislike us receive aid when they need it. It goes both ways, no country is entirely good or bad, right or wrong. If you see the world as wholly black and white you need to grow up a little.

Contrast is right as well, Cap is a symbol of what America aspires to be, not always what we succeed in being. But damn it we still try. The only thing that will kill the American dream or spirit is our own pessimism and defeatism. You see something wrong with America; I say don't leave, try to go out and fix it. Maybe people will agree with you and that change will happen, maybe they won't and then hey, the people rule.
NERO - 3/12/2010, 1:14 AM
he cant be red skull according to many peoples ideas on this site because he is australian, not german. anyways i think he would make a great red skull. and leo decaprio for the cap.
1chris2 - 3/12/2010, 1:15 AM
12 the people that live here ARE America.
NERO - 3/12/2010, 1:16 AM
@THEHAWK
[frick] rural Georgia and Alabama, the majority of those people are right wing and dont want any kind of government help, they are exactly the kind of people that will say [frick] no to wellfare, but bitch and moan about miniorities taking their jobs
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:16 AM
@thenumber12--I think it's hilarious that right after continuezero patted you on the back and sided with you by basically saying that THEHAWK gave an "unintelligent response", you go and attack someone with such a personal criticism. And she doesn't look fat, by the way, but then again, you did spend time with a starving tribe in Africa...maybe your idea of "skinny" differs from mine.

(and, no, I'm not making fun of you for being in the Peacecorp, it just seems like you're being a little "holier than thou" about it, because not everyone is so able to just drop all of their responsibilities.)
contrast - 3/12/2010, 1:17 AM
@odie00

Bwahahaha, that m*tha f*cker was on the O.C.!

Gotta admit tho, he is a dead ringer! Have you seen him in anything recent? OC was 6-7yrs ago.....everyone has got to start somewhere... :shrugs:

Talontd - 3/12/2010, 1:18 AM
@nerosday, have you ever heard of preserving a resource so it last longer? Of course oil is going to cost what is does, as long as it lasts
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:19 AM
@contrast
she does look pretty fat, and so do you, but hey, thats america
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:20 AM
@Number12. No I don't think we have the right to do that. But we aren't forcing them to give up their religious beliefs or traditions. We are attempting to help tehm build a stable government where they don't have to worry about government officials coming into their homes and taking them away in teh middle of the night.

And don't insult InstigatorGIRL simply because she disagrees with you.

That is the same thign you accused me of doing.

Yeah, I get mad when people badmouth America, I've ahd family and friends fight and die to protect the American ideals. I lost family in 911, and then later in the Iraq war.

THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:21 AM
@continuezero. First off The shut your whore mouth was a joke. LMAO. Also how can you talk about unintelligent responses when thenumber12's response to THEHAWK was "if you're telling me to shut up then you're un-american..."
Then he turns around and says this:
"i dont care about people criticising america..."
then he says
"America does nothing for the world unless it has something to gain"
Thats UN-AMERICAN sir.
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 1:23 AM
@number12. I would love to know how you got such a chip on your shoulder.

And why do you think that I don't know what I am talking about. You don't know me, you have no idea what I have done, where I've been.

I have yet to insult your intelligence or any facet about you, the only one here that seems to be acting uninteligent is you. You are presenting personal opinions with little basis in facts, and you are angered when another contrasting opinion is presented. You got mad at me saying that you hae every right to speak you opinion, well so do we.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:26 AM
@thenumber12--Really...? Well, in all honesty, I'm maybe a little less toned than I should be, so, you got me there... I admit it, I'm about 15 pound overweight... you caught me.

But once again, you prove my point with an unintelligent response.
contrast - 3/12/2010, 1:26 AM
@THEHAWK
if you have had people die in the war, then you should personally know that iraq and iran DO NOT want a democracy, they are fine with that they have. Just because America has a democracy doesnt mean its right. And i do have to apologize to you because i am sorry for saying you were under educated, and i understand everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so dont think im some one sided liberal, but you should take the time to look at it from my perspective
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:26 AM
@12 And as for what you said to instigatorGilr, you son of a bitch, that would earn you a pop in the mouth by any decent American male.

You lack the understanding of the one thing this nation was founded on debate and the ability to do it sensibly and without cruelty. You are demonstrating a narrow mindedness and foul nature that I would think lumps you in with the other" stupid fat lazy" lot of us than you want to see I think.

You are coming off as a clichéd young spoiled loudmouthed arrogant college "educated" child wh has no experience in the real world to even begin to understand how to deal with people. You speak in absolutes and refuse to release that vice grip on your brain to even listen to others.... Man, you sound a lot like what you're criticizing. You must be an American as you describe them, you live up to your own hype
NERO - 3/12/2010, 1:29 AM
@Instigatorgirl
if someone is voicing their opinion, then it is not un-american, go read the constitution
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:29 AM
@THEHAWK They don't teach what Americans are like outside the States, thats another Wholely American View. My parents are from the other side of the world, I'm from outside the States and spent time travelling everywhere...they don't ever teach anything about Americans, your friend was being a little ignorant...the internet has done a great thing to this world...Never has all the worlds knowledge been so widely accesible. It's not like he was at home and all he could watch were Old American Sitcoms...it's easy to get proper sense of a country...sometimes people don't care to know about something and assume things...I think that America is a great place with some problems...I think they could easily solve these problems but I think that all they do is bicker amongst themselves and nothing gets done. I think the rest of the world thinks this and is frustrated that they don't seem to see a common goal..everything is divided by money. Goals that are absolutely necessary are priced out and then debated forever on whether the problem is "too expensive". Even if it would benefit everyone if it's too expensive then it's not worth it. America has somehow placed a monetary value on how valuable someone's life is. How about you stop your wars, invest in your healthcare system and start saving your own people instead of always trying to "save" everyone else...that should be the main objective of Captain America in this movie...what a flop of a movie that would be...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 1:31 AM
@nerosday--You're my new hero.
contrast - 3/12/2010, 1:33 AM
@Number 12. I harbor no ill feelings, I actually enjoy a good political debate every now and then.

And I understand your perspective, I am open to new ideas. You( by you I mean people in general) are only ignorant if you shut yourself off from other opinions and ideals. Only through understanding of differences can peace be achieved

I support the war because of what my uncle and cousin said about the difference we are making over there. A lot of the people over there want something more, they want their independence. The people my cousin met and sent me pictures of don't support the extremists, they just want the violence to end. It is slow, but things are changing.

We can help them, but it takes time.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:34 AM
@nerosday
Since your oil statement was wrong, you gotta come at me with something else, how long did that take you to write?
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:34 AM
@THEHAWK
I understand where you are coming from in terms of suppoting the war. However, i lost the 2 best friends i grew up with to this war, and it breaks my heart to see them figthing for something they dont even understand. And from the letter i got from them when they were alive, i can honestly say that the people we are fighting for in the middle east, do not want our help, but i would loved to be proved wrong.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:38 AM
@thenumber12--That statement about nerosday wasn't arrogant at all... (that's sarcasm, folks.)

You're doing an absolutely wonderful job of proving everyone else's points.
contrast - 3/12/2010, 1:38 AM
@nerosday, i got it the first time, post it again pleae.
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:39 AM
lmao. Wow @thenumber12 A fat whore? That's all you got? lol I have never heard that one before, I must admit I am disappointed I figured you'd use your "intelligence" you're so proud of and think of something a little bit more creative. LMAO!!!!
FYI: You're picture makes you look like a gay stunt double for one of the Jonas Brothers.
Also no, I won't go help another country, I'll stay and try to better mine first. Also you're everywhere with you're arguements. So it's okay to give other countries hand outs and aid but when we try to help better their policy then we're being bullies?
Also you said, "an earthquake in Haiti, hmm, lets send s few mill their way to get people to look away from the fact that we are raping the middle east for everything they have, forcing democracy in a bunch of countries that don't want it."

then you said

"i joined the peacecorps and gave 2 years of my life to a starving tribe in africa, i am obviously reaping the benefits of being an Ameircan. Im not trying to improve the world we live in or anything.."

Um yeah the Peace Corp is in Haiti. So you're Peace Corp must be there to cover up the wrongs America has done right?
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 1:39 AM
@contrast
Seeing how you have to talk in perentheses so people understand you, I'll say something even you will understand
(you have no knowledge of what is going on in this conversationgm so just butt out)
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:41 AM
@continuezero. I agree with you. I think that we should focus on things here at home, rather than meddle in other nations affairs. But I also believe in staying there until the job is done.

Our country has problems, the healthcare system is cheif amoung them.

Our economy is failing. Our two most recent presidents are digging is into a deficit that is in the trillions by spending money on wasteful programs. For the past year we have prematurly pushed bill after bill through Congress without fully studying them.

one example of that is that one bill had a $8,000 credit to those buying homes in rural areas for first time home owners. The goal of this was to help people in the areas I grew up in. But there was a loophole. If you had lived in a home that was owned by someone in the past five (it may have been two) years, and you were over 18 then the credit does not apply to you.

By the end of its deadline the bill only helped just under a hundred families in Georgia.

We take time and argue to ensure that loopholes like this are not missed.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:43 AM
@InstigatorGIRl
That sounds like a typical american, "ill stay and try to better mine first".
Did i ever say i joined the peace corps to better my country? No, it was for the sake of the world, so why dont you get off your ass and do something?
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:45 AM
@number12. I hope that you are wrong. I hope that there can be a peaceful resolution to this war. I don't see it happening in the next five years though, at least not during Obama's first term, probably not in his second either.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:46 AM
@THEHAWK
I believe if anyone can resolve the war it can be a dem, like Obama
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:47 AM
@thenumber12-- I /could/ tell you that I have every right to be in the middle of this "conversationgm" [sic] because of the First Amendment, but I'll go with this gem instead.

Telling someone on a message board that they have no knowledge of what went on in the prior conversation ON THAT MESSAGE BOARD is the most bizarre counter-argument I've ever encountered. Even if I didn't (and here are my parenthases again...just for the sake of using them) I could easily catch up by READING THE PREVIOUS POSTS.
contrast - 3/12/2010, 1:49 AM
I hope he can, I voted for him... but I doubt it.

He is still funneling money in like Bush did. Except now it's less money and troops, which means that apparently nothing is getting accomplished according to my cousin (the live one). Now they are not getting the troops, equipment and support they need.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 1:51 AM
lol. Funny how you have no idea what I do with my life and you're sitting here preaching to a forum trying to add some righteousness to your life and feel you have a place. So sad... LMAO. I pity people like you. You seem to think that those two years of your life really had a purpose and made a difference, but if you notice the world isn't a better place. You made no difference to anyone but a group of people who, I can assure you, have forgotten all about you.
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 1:51 AM
@contrast
(just because you read something doesnt mean you understand it, and from your posts, it seems like you have little to no understanding of anything)
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:52 AM
LMAO awesome@ contrast. ^_^
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 1:52 AM
@instigatorgirl
dont be mad that i called you out about your weight, and i know that makes me sound like an asshole, but hey, you are a bitch, so anyways what have you ever done with your worthless life besides be a fat bitch?, and actually, i still get letters every month from the tribe i was with, so yea anyways..

@THEHAWK
So did i, i still think he is doing a better job than Bush
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 1:54 AM
@THEHAWK Why argue at all, just fix the problem...you explained it. There is no argument that supports that to be a good program. It is actually that simple. Look I can no more understand American Points of View anymore than any American will understand the World's Point of View, but I'll mention a program my city here in Canada just started. I live in a city called Edmonton, poplulation 1 million. Get's cold as hell here and for a while now we've had a homelessness problem. Every year people die in our streets in the cold without a home. The City has just approved a plan supported by the citizens to end homelessness in this city in 10 Years. We are well on track and it honestly looks like we can virtually eliminate homelessness in our city. The cost was never debated because this issue was simply not an option. People cannot be allowed to die in our streets and this initiative was approved regardless of the cost. There's a city not far from here that has had one murder in 6 years and its a big city. You don't have to debate the critical issues. Housing is a problem in the states, the citizens cannot be allowed to be homeless, let's not debate the cost let's just fix the problem. America loves to toss around this "Socialist" word...how about it's called caring. Everything doesn't have to have a monetary or political tag. How about no debate, just fixing the problem. Your military operates that way outside the country yet the country doesnt operate that way internally. If there is a National Security Threat the country does not hesitate, it acts. If there is a National Health Threat the country says "I hope you have insurance". It's a joke, if you live here if something goes wrong you just go to the hospital, the ask your name and they treat you. Thats it, nothing else. I've spent a grand total of $1000 over the course of my life on healthcare since I was a kid. I've been to the hospital a bunch of times with sports injuries and after gettin into fights and whatever else...never needed to even show ID...it's free for everyone so it doesn't matter who ya are...There's no debate to that...there's no downside...and the only argument that anyone has is "cost" which just confirms everything I just said...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 1:57 AM
the one thing that concerns me about this casting is the age thing,if memory serves me schmidt was pretty much the same age as cap when he was chosen by hitler to be the red skull.
dont get me wrong i think he will be amazing in the role and i will be very happy with him doing so,but if this detail is so easily cast aside what else will be!?!
shiftysharp - 3/12/2010, 1:59 AM
This is fantastic! I can't wait to see how this plays out (provided I'm not jumping the gun about accuracy of the news)!
Wesley Colvin - 3/12/2010, 2:01 AM
LMAO. Oh no worries there skippy. ^_^ lol. You're a funny troll. =D
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 2:01 AM
WTF is going on here? Can't we all agree, that our governments suck big time? And that Hugo Weaving can possibly be a good choice for Red Skull?

I mean, I would love to get into this discussion, but its like 10am and I just had one coffee.

PS: Just read something that I have to respond to.

@Hawk: Man, as an Cultural Anthropologist, I can tell you that america maybe is not taking away beliefs or traditions, but it's definetly insulting and disrespecting them. Just because of that, Muslims have become the new public enemy in general. You are stigmatisising (oh, I hope this is the correct term) a whole religion, country and the people who live/lived there. I think, that is equal to worse than taking away the cultural backround.
Darantino - 3/12/2010, 2:01 AM
@thenumber12--I'm not arguing politics with you (quite honestly, I can't stand doing the debating, I'd much rather listen in). So, let's go ahead and get this out of the way, just to give you a bit of an idea of where I stand. Personally, I have no problem with the people of America. I DO, however, have a problem with the government. I believe that anyone who is "powerful" enough to be a part of the government is already too corrupt to be able to do anything to fix our problems.

Now, with that being said, I return to my first statement (in this post). I'm not arguing politics with you. I am simply quite bored, and am therefore interjecting my own little comments into the mix. So, here's what I WAS doing in my previous comments. I started out by explaining the ideal behind Captain America, then moved on to pointing out that you were not really debating anymore so much as you were just using middle school bullying techniques (name calling) to attack others, while all it did was prove all of the somewhat negative things people said about you. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Now, I will continue to do so until I decide it has become boring, because it is, as you pointed out earlier, my constitutional right to express myself freely.
contrast - 3/12/2010, 2:03 AM
So yeah I am worried this flick is gonna suck.
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 2:06 AM
@Darantino I was thinking the same thing, I was trying to incorporate Captain America into what I was saying but that was lost somewhere...haha....If they would just announce Cap then we could all just go to sleep...hahaha
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 2:06 AM
@number12.

It is easy to hate on Bush but when you think about it, a lot of the poor judgements he made were teh results of things happening that were beyond his control.

Before 911 he had a great economic plan ready that he was initiating. But after 911 he had to poor money into the war machine and build up our military strength so that we could be able to fight a war.

Then there was Iraq, which may or may have not been his fault. We will never truly know about that one.

Then we have Katrina, which decimated the Gulf areas, including New Orleans as well as a majority of our oil refineries, causing our economy to nose dive. I was living in New Orleans at the time, it wasn't pretty. I can honestly say that FEMA really F***ed up that one. But Bush didn't put that system in place.

Then Venezuela gets OPEC to raise the price of oil to astronomical heights, crippling our economy. Thankfully Saudi Arabia put a stop to that.

A good president should be able to adjust and react to crisis, but he had a lot of things happen that were out of his control. Obama has been in office a little over a year and thankfully no major disaster have occured on American soil. So hopefully he will not be tested.

I'd still feel better if Romney had been elected. But no, it was McCain or Obama. I chose the lesser of two evils.
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 2:07 AM
@THEHAWK Lol. You wanna know who's a craptastic politician? Arnold... [frick] I hate that guy!
InstigatorGIRL - 3/12/2010, 2:08 AM
@contrast, i really dont like talking politics, and again i will apologize for insulting people including yourself, however, i stand behind my beliefs 100%
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 2:08 AM
Hugo Weaving annoys me...I dont know why...
GambitAceOfSpades - 3/12/2010, 2:09 AM
Well the wife is home. Now I can get some sleep.

HAWK out
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 2:10 AM
@Gambit

Best comment I read today, lol :D
Darantino - 3/12/2010, 2:10 AM
@anyone that thinks that any good came from Bush. You should be deemed mentally incapable of voting. I think everyone outside of the states was like WTF? When you guys re-elected him...it was like a big collective gasp worldwide...that could be one of the US's biggest mistakes in recent history...
continuezero - 3/12/2010, 2:11 AM
@IGirl.

Hell to the yes. Hate him!

He needs to go back to comedies with Danny Devito. Where is Twins 2? lol
THEHAWK - 3/12/2010, 2:12 AM
@THEHAWK
The one and only thing that will make or break a presidency is the timing, and thats it.

@INSTIGATORGIRL
the one thing we can agree on is that we botch think this movie will suck
thenumber12 - 3/12/2010, 2:12 AM
@thenumber12--and I fully support you standing behind your beliefs. (and just so everyone's happy, here are some parenthises) It's cool, I mean, I could stand to exersize (and of course exorsize) more...

(wow, that "exorsize" thing was a pointless joke, but eh, fun with homophones...)
contrast - 3/12/2010, 2:14 AM
Haha, the Captain America boards- they always erupt into insane political debates. I wonder why that never happens on the Thor posts?

Anyway, to get back to Cap, Contrast and some guys mentioned he doesn't represent what America IS, but what it ASPIRES to be- what it SHOULD be (Can be?)
Thats why I think that, ironically, once you get him, he's one of the most accessible characters around- people all over the world (like me up in Canada) can look at him and be like "That guy represents the best about America, and thats goddamned awesome." Also, anyone whose read Cap knows he's sharp, independant, and has the utmost respect for other nations.

Its funny, because in a lot of ways, he ends up becoming the opposite of what a lot of people seem to think he is- what he was intended to be. A propoganda tool, an outlet the govt. could use to drum up war bonds and recruitment. Instead of yelling slogans and bs fed to him by his bosses, Cap expresses his own opinions, defends what he believes is right, and is a guy who admits he is far from perfect- but strives to be as close possible every day. :)
DannyRand401 - 3/12/2010, 2:14 AM
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