THE AVENGERS Was “Appalling” Says Wally Pfister, THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Cinematographer

The Academy Award-winning Cinematographer, Wally Pfister, who recently served as director of photography for The Dark Knight Rises, has expressed his dislike for the way The Avengers was filmed.

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By DCMarvelFreshman - 10/16/2012
Accumulating over $1.5 billion in worldwide box office sales, there's not much more to be said about writer-director Joss Whedon's Marvel's The Avengers movie and its critical success. However, Oscar-winning cinematographer Wally Pfister, who is best known for his work with Christopher Nolan, most recently on The Dark Knight Rises, thinks otherwise. Although he isn't the first oddball to express negative thoughts towards the superhero spectacle, Pfister recently said during an Q&A interview that he thought the film was rather “appalling.” When the Sarasota Herald Tribune asked precisely what he thinks is most important when shooting a movie in general, Wally Pfister replied:

What’s really important is storytelling. None of it matters if it doesn’t support the story. I thought “The Avengers” was an appalling film. They’d shoot from some odd angle and I’d think, why is the camera there? Oh, I see, because they spent half a million on the set and they have to show it off. It took me completely out of the movie. I was driven bonkers by that illogical form of storytelling.

Considering his profession, it seems Wally Pfister had more beef with Marvel's The Avengers cinematography, which Seamus McGarvey is credited for. However, writer-director Joss Whedon notably consulted with McGarvey, and Whedon has said before that his directing style for Marvel's The Avengers was heavily inspired by its source material - the comic books. Of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but what do you think?




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BruceLeroy - 10/16/2012, 4:00 PM
LOL, dis gon b gud.
myparentsaredead - 10/16/2012, 4:00 PM
Here comes the trolls, from both sides.

Either way, he's an incredible cinematographer. But "appalling"? Seriously?
n1ghtw1ng2832 - 10/16/2012, 4:01 PM
EVERYONES GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN OPINION I GUESS.
JordanKing - 10/16/2012, 4:02 PM
Now I'm no predictor of the future but.. yeah I can see where this is going.
RR51 - 10/16/2012, 4:04 PM
soundwave129 - 10/16/2012, 4:05 PM
Yeah, words help with the stories too, Wally... But anyways:
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RorMachine - 10/16/2012, 4:07 PM
I actually know which shots he is talking about..I also thought them odd. But wtf do they have to do with the movie as a whole? Appalling? You would want to list off a few more reasons sir.
DaenerysTargaryen - 10/16/2012, 4:07 PM
*cue fanboy rage*
CharlesLord - 10/16/2012, 4:13 PM
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kevberg - 10/16/2012, 4:13 PM
FAHK P- Fist-er...great cinematographer or not, At least Avengers didn't take it self so seriously it forgot the fun of superheroes.

He just comes of as a snooty asshead.
jessepostal - 10/16/2012, 4:14 PM
I'm a neutral fan, with that said as for cinamatography it's suppose to be art, there is no right or wrong. What he calls appalling others call different or fresh, maybe even a pioneer years down the road
Spideyguy94 - 10/16/2012, 4:14 PM
He's a fantastic cinematographer but i think his comments are extremely harsh I'm no expert on it but I don't think the narrative of the film suffered
Ghostfire - 10/16/2012, 4:14 PM
I feel a disturbance in the force!...

*Cue the flame war, in 3...2...1..!*

kevberg - 10/16/2012, 4:15 PM
oh yeah...Dark Knight Rises....what storytelling ?

theres was something calling itself Batman, but completely ignored the comics and what the character is.......

Spideyguy94 - 10/16/2012, 4:16 PM
this makes him kinda look like a dick
KaneVonDoom - 10/16/2012, 4:17 PM
I recall them explictly saying they were going for comic book angles when filming the Avengers. It definitely captured the feel of a comic book which has rarely been done before except maybe Sin City and Watchmen although both of those were drawn very differently.

TDKR was a great piece of cinema in its own right but I don't think it nor The Avengers were trying to accomplish the same thing at all and comparing them kinda does both a disservice.
HavocPrime - 10/16/2012, 4:18 PM
why be such a douche about it
leftcoastpunk - 10/16/2012, 4:18 PM
Oh snap! That's game, set, match right there son! He just threw down the trump card, couple of weird camera angles! Sneaky bastard, he was holding that the whole time! I say nay soundwave129, that's an A-bomb, its over!
dbapz - 10/16/2012, 4:20 PM
It is an opinion.

You don't have to agree with it.
IronSpider101 - 10/16/2012, 4:22 PM
Didn't notice it myself (Except for a couple of shots). Can't say I agree, but I'm too ignorant to what makes good cinematography to fully grasp what he may have had issues with. His opinion.

I loved both movies. TDKR I loved a lot more, but both were great in their own right. Avengers was fun comic-booky gold with no reservations, and TDKR had the most engaging story I've ever seen in a movie on the big screen.

They're both nice things.
dopemaster - 10/16/2012, 4:22 PM
you mad, bro?
SageMode - 10/16/2012, 4:23 PM
Its funny how the cinematographer of TDK and TDKR finds the comic book panel-inspired camera angles of THE AVENGERS appalling. How coincidentally ironic. LMAO.
kamberlin22 - 10/16/2012, 4:26 PM
Because I'm a fan of both Whedon and Pfister style of doing movies, I'm bothered by this. Pfister has his right to like/dislike something (we do it all the time), I just wish he didn't have to make it sound like he was attacking Whedon. I only hope that there are very few casualties when this is over.
jimpinto24 - 10/16/2012, 4:27 PM
It makes me laugh every time someone tries to take a jab at The Avengers! The Avengers was epic & the stoytellingg was there. It seems like he's bitter. Cry me a river!
jasonicus - 10/16/2012, 4:27 PM
What an absolute arrogant asshole.
StarkAnthony - 10/16/2012, 4:28 PM
okay, not to troll or anything, but a lot of The Dark Knight Rises was pretty flat
HelaGood - 10/16/2012, 4:28 PM
and im sure some wardrobe person will have their complaints as well as CG artists, makeup artists, lighting, sound, score...
JonG303 - 10/16/2012, 4:29 PM
Hey, the guy's won an Oscar for cinematography – he probably knows what he's talking about.
kevberg - 10/16/2012, 4:29 PM
Gee Wally, it sure sucks that the dark knight rises was sh@tty brick of the entire trilogy, better luck next time......golly.
RobertDanger - 10/16/2012, 4:29 PM

Waiting for the flame war...
nowtheresaBATman - 10/16/2012, 4:30 PM
He's right!!

the Avengers was fun to watch in the theater but the other day I rented it & couldn't even get through it.

I just skip around to all the Bruce Banner/Hulk scenes.
StormLoganSummers - 10/16/2012, 4:30 PM
This thread is going to be fun.
Durf - 10/16/2012, 4:30 PM
I like Pfister's work and he has the right to an opinion. But really? Apalling? Just makes him sound like a pretentious douche.
lukasbolander - 10/16/2012, 4:31 PM
He the same guy who filmed this scene?

http://vimeo.com/28792404

AlSimmons - 10/16/2012, 4:31 PM
Oh, really. Well at least the Avengers knew how to film a fight scene (NOT COUNTING THE BLACK WIDOW INTERROGATION).
Angelus - 10/16/2012, 4:32 PM
Wally Pfister is a great cinematographer, and I am of course not a cinematographer, so I don't feel I can comment on the "angle" and whatnot. All I have to say, and can say, is that I thought The Avengers was awesome. And The Dark Knight Rises was also awesome. That is it!
superotherside - 10/16/2012, 4:32 PM
Oh please. Seriously, it was a great movie and some people just don't want to admit it was great. There were several story elements that took me out of TDKR but that doesn't mean it wasn't a good movie. Every film has it's flaws. But what ever it's his opinion, everyone else can enjoy the film without him.
nowtheresaBATman - 10/16/2012, 4:32 PM
@Nightdrive right on, well said
REDSTORM - 10/16/2012, 4:34 PM
We don't need articles like this.
thebatspider - 10/16/2012, 4:35 PM
This marvel vs dc war should have to STOP! This is entertainment not a war, both movies are enjoyable and this is the most important of a film.
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