Sam Raimi Empire Interview

Sam Raimi has creative control over Spider-Man 4 -- Unlike Spiderman 3...

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By THEHAWK - 3/26/2009
In an interview with Empire for this May’s issue, Raimi openly talked about some of the problems with Spider-Man 3 and confirmed some rumors we all heard about two summers ago when the movie was released.


“They really gave me a tremendous amount of control on the first two films, actually. But then there were different opinions on the third film and I didn’t really have creative control, so to speak.”

It was rumored that Raimi wasn’t allowed to do his own story and that producers forced him to add Venom last minute as one of the villains in the story. When asked about that, Raimi responded:

“I don’t even want to comment on Venom, because I know he’s a great character and all the fans love him. I never want to say anything bad about a much-beloved character because usually it turns out that I’m the one that doesn’t understand what makes it great.”

More questions were thrown at the director about the issues surrounding Spider-Man 3 and the at-the-time Marvel head honcho Avi Arad’s rumored insistence on Venom’s inclusion, but Raimi responded professionally and didn’t name names or play the blame game in his answers.

“The best way for me to move forward on films, I realize…and this was a lesson I had to learn for myself…is that I’ve gotta be the singular voice that makes the creative choices on the film.”

"I love Spider-Man so much that I'd like to continue telling Spider-Man stories but only under those circumstances where I think I can honour him. I don't think I can honour him any other way."

Hopefully the next movie will return to the style and grade of the first two films. I’m glad that Raimi has confirmed that Tobey Maguire will be back as Peter Parker. Raimi also wants Kirsten Dunst back as Mary Jane but no deal has been made as of yet.

Earlier this month Raimi did give an update on Spider-Man 4, but he declined to add any more information: "I haven't yet talked to my producers about what they want to reveal. It's such a long way off that I'd rather not talk about it in case I say things that they didn't want me to reveal."

As for the villains of the next Spidey flick, Raimi has expresed interest in Morbius as a possible choice. He also has talked of bringing back a dead character. They have also spent a lot of effort in developing The Lizard.

I definitely prefer the choices of Lizard and Morbius, or Kraven, rather than the recently rumored Electro and Carnage movie. They can’t do Carnage because they disintegrated Venom, and totally screwed him up. Thanks to The Myth for posting this pic in another article.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/TheMyth7/news/?a=6642



I would like for Raimi to build up the relationship with Gwen Stacy, and maybe set things up for a Green Goblin return. So they can KILL GWEN STACY, hopefully by Gobby in Spidey 4 or 5. I also would not mind Mysterio in the movie, maybe played by Bruce Campbell,give him his cameo for the film.
Source: The Geek Files
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Justadjust - 3/26/2009, 5:13 PM
I know I'm going to here it from myth, but they can bring back venom (there still is a piece of symbiote at conner's office), but maybe not Eddie Brock, not sure.

OR

The piece of sympiote could turn into... Carnage.

I know I'm contradicting myself from other posts, but just throwing out other ideas. I think I'm just bitter about SM-3 and am hoping that they give venom/symbiote another chance. I know it can be done well. I just kind of feel that Raimi shit on the character cause the studio shit on him.

God, I hope they dont do Morbius. Not a route the franchise should go. Yes I know it can turn into a cross-over... BUT THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. This is not the Avengers franchise.

It looks like no matter what, Raimi will do whatever the [frick] he wants, and if the studio doesnt want another SM-3, then they will stay the [frick] out of his way.
rage - 3/26/2009, 5:55 PM
i suggested bruce campbell for mysterio months ago, but i was laffed at, i think rhino should be in it too, even if he is only one of mysterio's special effect. they are both huge parts of the spiderman universe.
THEHAWK - 3/26/2009, 6:07 PM
Really well, great minds think a like. I suggested it a while back, and most people thought it would be pretty cool, or at least funny as hell. It would give him his usual cameo.
TucsonRican - 3/26/2009, 6:36 PM
What about Sandman? Does he get a free pass? That's one of the biggest problems I had with 3.
joob234 - 3/26/2009, 7:14 PM
at Justadjust, if ur thinking about it, they could do carnage with the piece of venom at connors office, and make venom, but thatd be taking roots from ultimate spiderman which im not sure raimi wants to take stuff from the ulitmate universe
joob234 - 3/26/2009, 7:18 PM
and im just shitting with u guys on this one, but in that pic of venom, what color is the symbiote turning?! hahaha jk, i no its blood but im just pointing it out....


i would want carnage cuz i too think they should give the symbiote thing another shot, or the lizard and kraven
loganoneil - 3/26/2009, 8:17 PM
Gee Sam, was it Avi's idea for the whole 'Disco Stu' Peter Parker thing? And who's bright idea whas it to make Pete a complete two-dimensional DORK and MJ and boring, whiney plain-looking frump? I will give credit where credit is due - for what they were, the first two films were good (it pays to have brilliant actors like Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina as heavies - Sam, you should have utilized Thomas Haden Church instead of squandering him as a secondary villain!), but Sam Raimi (hell, let's throw Tobey and Kristin in there too) must be hung upside-down by the toenails and lowered ever-so-slowly into a vat of boiling excrement!


...that's just my opinion.
THEHAWK - 3/26/2009, 8:37 PM
Dude he did not blame anyone, he took the blame himself. I hope the next one is better.
Betty - 3/27/2009, 1:03 AM
skip it. skip most of it. skip gwen. skip campbell. skip carnage and venom and sandman and gobby and morbius.
loganaspatch - 3/27/2009, 1:12 AM
only problem i had with sandman was when they made him turn into a sand creature from the mummy movie, ive been informed that he can do that, but its a trick from another movie and why the generic godzilla scream!!!.. that whole movie made me feel like i had sand in my crotch.... :D

but other then that the guy looked like he walked right out of the comic book. and he and spiderman had cool fight scenes before venom was introduced
Hobgoblyn - 3/27/2009, 2:47 AM
The Green Goblin scene where he killed Gwen was already done in the first Spiderman film. It was exactly identical to that scene except using Mary Jane instead of Gwen and she didn't die from whiplash when Spiderman grabbed her.

However, it was the exact same scene, so there'd be no reason at all to do it again.
THEHAWK - 3/27/2009, 5:04 AM
@Hobgoblyn. They did the scene again in the comics after Gobby returned. This time he threw MJ off the bridge and Spiderman was able save her, learning from his mistake with Gwen. They could do that this time, Substitute Gwen for MJ, and he failed to save her.

HAWK out.
Justadjust - 3/27/2009, 9:08 AM
@joob234 - If I'm not mistaken, the name Eddie Brock Jr. (the junior part), and his age and body type was from the ultimate universe. So it could happen.

But like I said, I'm sure that is not the route Raimi is going to take. To me, he made that pretty obvious.
SoulAllFlush - 3/27/2009, 9:43 AM
I still have belief in Raimi - The more Spider-Man movies he makes the better, as it'll bring more of the Spider-Man mythology to the public which will open up more avenues further down the line.

Just wish Raimi's Spider-Man could be introduced into Iron-Man/Incredible Hulk/Avengers - oh well
MetalHead - 3/27/2009, 10:00 AM
STOP WISHING FOR VENOM TO RETURN!!! I'm sick of posting this on every "Spider-Man" movie post. They ruined it and all of these STUPID ideas involving bringing him back that are nowhere close to accurate to the comic are horrible. Just let it go. Seriously. Focus on developing The Sinister 6 over the next 3 films.
slimybug - 3/27/2009, 10:22 AM
What is WRONG with Raimi? First Sandman, now Morbius? When will he stop trying to get these second-rate villains in and just concentrate on the freakin' LIZARD like he should have in #3?!

As for showing Gwenn's death, that would not be good. They never should have introduced Gwen Stacey in the movies at all. The Gwen Stacey being killed by GG was pretty much copied in the first movie, but with Mary Jane, and, of course, with her surviving. To repeat that in a future film just so that we can see the death of Gwen Stacey, would not be desirable.
Plus, Peter's with MJ,and we've all seen enough of that drama, so let's not have him breaking up with her again to go chasing Gwenn, when we know he'll just end up back with MJ again.
Gwen just doesn't have a place in this film franchise.

Plus bringing back GG would just be repetetive. Willem's character is dead. Let it be.
thenumber12 - 3/27/2009, 10:49 AM
Since Iron Man, Hulk, Cap. America, and Thor are going to all be featured in The Avengers. I think a good way to bring back some characters whos movies didn't do so well would be to bring them into the Spiderman movies. The Punisher and Daredevil for instance, seeing how the punisher and spiderman often clash heads in the comics, it would be easy to do?
Unmasked - 3/27/2009, 12:29 PM
When I saw the trailers for Spider-man 3, I thought
that they would have saved Venom for 4. By sticking
Venom in, it draged the movie down. Right when Eddie
got the symbiote at the bell tower scene, that should
have been the last shot for him. Then people would really hype 4. Hell, you could throw Carnage in with
that storyline.
Christuffer - 3/27/2009, 12:36 PM
The article says something about bringing back a dead character. WTF?! Bringing back Green Goblin isn't any worse than bringing back Venom, is it? The Eddie Brock/Venom story would have made the Spidey movie series epic! Grrrrr Fartman angry! >:@
gabillo - 3/27/2009, 12:38 PM
Hey, remember that in Spiderman 3 Peter takes a piece of the symbiote to Dr Connors lab for him to study it... There you have a potential Carnage for the next movies!!
TucsonRican - 3/27/2009, 12:43 PM
The dead character will probably be Harry.
90caliber - 3/27/2009, 12:52 PM
I want to see the Scorpion personally. He was always one of my favorites I also want to see Tombstone, Kingpin, Silvermane and the Black Cat. I enjoyed these characters growing up and definitely want to see them on the big screen. Since the story is going to span two movies it should be able to handle multiple villains. Venom and Carnage can only be done right in an R rated movie. They're just too violent. Venom vs. Carnage would make a great horror flick though.

WeaponX - 3/27/2009, 1:17 PM
Yeah, I'd like to see Lizard finally show up and maybe have a story where JJJ is sick of the public loving Spider-Man so he pays for Mac Gargan to become The Scorpion to be the cities big hero and take down the Lizard, but y'know, it back fires because Gargan goes nuts due to the experiment and Spidey has to deal with him and Lizard.

hbk82287 - 3/27/2009, 2:03 PM
I'd love to see a back story of mysterio and the green goblin. Perhaps mysterio simply helped him fake his own death to further his own work. No goblin has been more dangerous than Norman, and id like to see more into the characters psyche in movie form.
Gordonious - 3/27/2009, 2:21 PM
Sam Raimi is the man. If anybody can bring back the franchise it would be him. I think whatever he does(as long as he has the only say in it)will work. I do like 90caliber's idea. I would also love to see the Scorpion. The lizard would be cool to. Hell, he can pretty much have any enemy he wants. So many have tangled with Spidey. Except for any Goblin. That's been beated like a dead horse. -Nuff said-
Apoc4all - 3/27/2009, 2:45 PM
First off, Venom can come back.. it's Marvel, and if there is one thing we should all have learned from Marvel, it's that anyone can come back, no matter how many times they're killed.

As to venom, it's an easy creative writing job. Blast is so powerful that we see x-ray vision of eddie, he's then blown clear of the site. The sliver of the symbiote back at Connor's lab then find's it's way to him, or vis versa. Or, as they have done in the comic book versions, remnants of the symbiote still permanently exist in his cells and the alien life form resurfaces (they did this with Carnage, and later on anti-venom).

Or, if the x-ray idea is a little too far fetched, Eddie is blown away from the blast, and what looks like a skeleton is actually the symbiote writhing in agony. Only requires one line of dialogue. "Are you sure you saw what you thought you saw?" It's been done before, and could be done again. And if this route were to be taken, it's equally possible that some of the symbiote could be separated and blown away from the blast site.

In short, Venom can come back, and in order to do any Carnage story justice, he has to come back.

In my opinion, if Venom comes back, either in a future Spidey film, or his own spin-off as the rumors have it, this would justify Spidey 3 in my eyes. Venoms role in the third movie would then be introductory material to his greater story, as opposed to a poor attempt at throwing his character in the movies.
Evil1991 - 3/27/2009, 2:49 PM
Bruce Campbell as mysterio would be the greatest thing ever
mounted88 - 3/27/2009, 3:19 PM
Bruce campbell as mysterio would be good. But since he was in the second and third film it kinda ruined that. I think they should go with the sinster six route and throw in black cat so spidey has some help. Or if anyone has played the web of shadows game that would make a awesome movie. Just some thoughts
vanillabear - 3/27/2009, 3:43 PM
shocker and electro would be great but i doubt it
GUNSMITH - 3/27/2009, 4:31 PM
AHHH SEE...I DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE PRESSURING SAM RAIMI ON THREE, NO WONDER IT DIDNT FEEL THE SAME..MARVEL, WE LOVE YOU GUYS..AND I KNOW AVI YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO APPEASE THE FANS..BUT TRUST RAIMI AND LET HIM DO HIS THING, HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING...LEAVE HIM BE.
CMKOFAN - 3/27/2009, 4:31 PM
seems there's hope after all.
Tobuttica - 3/27/2009, 4:31 PM
Yay!! Three cheers for ELECTRO!!!
GUNSMITH - 3/27/2009, 4:36 PM
AHHH SEE...I DIDNT KNOW THEY WERE PRESSURING SAM RAIMI ON THREE, NO WONDER IT DIDNT FEEL THE SAME..MARVEL, WE LOVE YOU GUYS..AND I KNOW AVI YOU WERE JUST TRYING TO APPEASE THE FANS..BUT TRUST RAIMI AND LET HIM DO HIS THING, HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING...LEAVE HIM BE.
SpiderBat209 - 3/27/2009, 5:00 PM
Hobgoblin and/or Lizard. :)
rawshark - 3/27/2009, 5:24 PM
you're all wrong.
the only, ONLY villain they should do:

THE VULTURE !!!



hahahaha, nah, I'm joking.
Vulture is gay.
But, I made everyone worry for about 5 seconds though !


SUPASEGO - 3/27/2009, 6:49 PM
It's just very clear that the one's heading up the Spiderman movie franchise aren't doing their homework.. They're not thinking about sequels.. They don't have a vision past the film they're doing at that moment.. Why end Spiderman 3 the way they did? Well... why do the whole movie like the way they did.. They really need to have people who know the Spiderman comic series doing these movies.. Where's jon favreau when you need him? HAHA.. Favreau's new title should be "Head of Marvel's Movie Production".. All MArvel movies should have to go through him before a movie even gets off the ground..LOLOLOLOL
GrimReaper90 - 3/27/2009, 7:18 PM
Should Sam Raimi have control of the fourth installment; I suggest he make Spider-Man based on Todd Mcfarlines work.
GameAnime45 - 3/27/2009, 8:58 PM
I already knew they were gonna mess up part 3 with venom. They should of started it from part 2 with the black suit, and carried it over to part 3. Sandman was a wuss in this movie. They raped Venom badly, and the story wasn't even close to the comic book.

I hope they let him control the movie, because he is a great director. If they do make Carnage, I suggest Jim Carry, and the piece left over can be Carnage if they wanna save the movie that they raped.

Don't put Morbius, because it crosses to the Blade storyline also. I want Wesley Snipes, but the bastard is in jail. I would prefer Rhino, and Lizard. Bring on the Kingpin.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 10:34 PM
This is my idea for a Movie. As it is my idea, in all reality i don't expect the movie to be anything like this.

Peter Parker is enjoying life after the whole Venom incadent. Things are going well and he's planning on preposing to Mary Jane in a few days.Interupt the intro with a c or d class supervillian like rocket racer or the vulture. Spider-Man chases him down and after a long race through New York finally subdues the villian ontop of a building. The purb wines some sob story and Peter decides to let him go. Venom survived the blast, do to the suit directly absorbing Brock as its host. However, it now needs to feed on other flesh. Cut and do a few quick scenses of the kingpin buying a couple of suits from an oction, preferablly from a iron man big-wig as to promote a future crossover. Peter turnes the pictures to John Jameison and gets paid well for his new job as directed in spiderman. Jameison, a little hot with Peter about the desk job and looking for an excuse to fire him hires Mac Gargon to tail the hero and find out how Peter takes his pictures of Spiderman. Do a few life scense of Peter and Mj. Move on to a few nights later were Peter takes Mary Jane out to an expensive resturaunt. Right when he is about to propose to her, have a tremor shake the building. M.J. looks at Peter and nods her head in understanding. Peter rushes out and heads twoards the center of the tremers only to come face to face with a robbery in progress by shocker and Venom.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 10:43 PM
Part two.

Spiderman doesn't know whats going on at first as he see's Venom doing battle with the schocker. Venom is able to subdue the villian and heads twoards a screaming child inside of the building. Thinking that the child is in trouble and Venom is about to hurt her, Spiderman tackles Venom who lets the hero beat him up. They are interupted when the shocker lands a vibro blast against the back of Spider-Man who is throughn through the vault door. Gargon apears and tries to find out were Parker might be. Venom attacks the Shocker, but the shcoker is able to temporarly upset Vemon as a new threat, the Rhino appears to help his buddy out. Venom seems to be outpowered. Meanwhile, Gargon comes up with a bright idea of suplying a getaway veachle to the shocker and Rhino in atempts to lure Spiderman out and to find out how Parker is alwasy around to take the pictures. The Shocker atempts to take Gargon up on his offer, but is stoped by spiderman. Believing Gargon to be in an aliance to the duo, Spiderman captures him as well. Venom is able to subdue the Rhino, only to be tackled by Spider-Man. Venom, once again, allows Peter to beat him up as the Rhino Frees the Shocker but leaves the disgraced Gargon Captured. The Police arive and atempt to assist Spider-Man untill the witnesses, along with the Little Girl testify that Venom was tryign to help and Spider-Man attacked them.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 11:02 PM
Part 3

Spiderman is forced to run from the police as the atempted to arrest him. Spider-Man escapes to the top of a building, only to be confronted by Venom. Venom easilly overpoweres Spider-Man but lets him go in atempt to talk to him. Venom explanes that he is a hero and that Spider-Man was the Villian. Venom believed that Parker had ruined his life, took his girlfriend, and ruined his carreror. Peter reflects upon this a secnond and relises that Venom might have a point. Spiderman asks how he can end this but venom claims that he hasn't suffered enough yet. Venom lets Spider-Man leave and smiles. The next day, Gargon is fired by a disgraced Jameison when a headline from a rivial newspaper claimes that a bugle employe was an acomplense in last nights robbery. Gargon leaves disgraced as Peter watches him go. Brock burst into the daily bugle and produces pictures of Spider-Man beating up the new hero "venom." Jamison tells him to get out at first but after a few minutes enbraces the new photo and offers him a job. Peter quites in a fit of rage. Meanwhile Dr. Connors lab is shut down by the school because of his alledged project with animal dna slicing. Connors is confronted outside of the college by a man introducing himslef as Trask, the rival weapons manufacture of Oscorp. He says that he will give the good doctor all the equipment he needs to finish his reasearch as long as he does somthing for him first. Conors agrees. The socker and Rhino are also able to track down a suicidle Gargon who they believe helped in their excape. They state that they have a job opening for the Kingpin and Gargon agrees to go along with them.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 11:13 PM
Part 4.

Gargon is introduced to the Kingpin and Mr. Trask of Trask industries. They explain that they have a new bio suit that they are willing to give to Gargon in exchange for his survices. Gargon agrees and with the help of the newly recruited doctor conors sucessfully creat the Scorpion. Mary Jane and Peter talke about Brooks reaperance. Mary Jane is freaked out that Venom might come back after her. Peter reasures her and heds out to look for Venom. Scorpion attacks the hero from out of nowhere and there is a quick battle with Peter geting the crap kicked out of him by the new Scorpion. Scorpion takes a kidnapped Peter to the daily Bugle and busts into the newspaper press and delievers him to Johna. The Scorpion explaines that it is Gargon in the suit and he wants revenge for being fired from his former employer. Gargon attackes Jamison and Venom shows up. Venom had been tailing Spider-Man waiting for moments to ruin his life. Scorpion and Venom Battle. Scorpion is overpowered and thrown out of the window. He is able to excape any damages and continues to flee into the night. Venom then helps Jamison to his feet. Brock reveals is identity to Jameison when Jameison complaines about his mask. Venom them atempts to reveail who spiderman really is but spiderman tackles venom through the window and they both hit the ground hard. Venom is able to lead spider-man on a whild goose chase, playing the the hero. Venom finally disapears into the night, leaving an enranged Parker franticly searching for the man who wants to destroy his life.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 11:30 PM
Part 5

Brock shows up to work the next day and asks Jameison to run a paper that explained that he was venom and Spider-man had once again interfeared with his rescue. Back at the Trask Industried, Scorpion is forced to explain that he lost to Venom. Kingpin, enraged by his failer sets the Rhino and Shocker on him, but Scorpion is able to excape. Meanwhile, Trask was able to remove a sample of Venom's symbiot from the scorpions tail. Coners reconises it and explains that it is a pariste that great inhances the agressive behavor of anyone who come into contact with it. Trask offers him all the equipment he needs if Dr. Connors and mass produce the paricite. Connors, against his better judgement, agrees. Peter vists aunt mays house, only to find that she and Eddie Brock have been talking. Eddie has charmed her into believing he is a good guy. Peter asks his aunt to leave the room and atacks the human Eddie. Eddie doesn't morph into venom but continues to taunt Peter, asking if his aunt knows that he is Spider-Man. Aunt May returns and Brock leaves with Peter close behind. Brock disapears before Peter can talk with him. Schocker and Rhino break into a massive security Prison and capture Kletis Casidy, a natorious serial killer. Meanwhile, Venom appears at Mary Janes house and trashes her apartment. Peter arives and sees that Mary Jane isn't too harmed and sets off in order to take down venom once and for all. Venom meets Perter where he as almost killed in the previous movie and Peter and Venom fight. Venom gains the upper hand until Peter uses some of the same tacktics as before and is able to bring Brock to his Knees. Brock asks for death but Peter is unable to give the finishing blow. Enraged at himself Peter leaves and happens upon an injured Scorpion. The scorpion asks Peter for help, but thinking that its a trick and in a blind fit of rage, Peter beats the Scorpion to the verge of death. Shocked by how he hurt the Scorpion and how is real identity was, Peter takes him to the nearest hospital and when Mac stays in criticle condition, decides to give up being Spider-Man. Spider-Man returns to Aunt Mays house where Brock is waiting. Confessing that he is spider-man and that he did somthing he is having a hard time forgiving himslef for, delcares that he will be spider-man no more.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 11:42 PM
Part 6

Venom declares himslef the new hero of the city and sets off to fight crime. A month passes and the crime rate is at an all time low, with venom being able to overpower any criminal he comes across. Brock sets up a date with Gwen Stacy and they too finally hook up. Back at Trask Industries, Connors has sucessfully duplicated venoms symboit and injects it into Casidy to form Carnage. However, since Carnage has memories of Eddie and Casidy, Carnage develops a sense for justice but with a warped sense for killing villians and for putting inocesnt in the way if it ment takeing down the guilty. Carnage hunts down Venom andexclaimes that he is a part of him and wishes to fight crime too. Venom senses the bond and he and Carnage set out to put an end to some villians. Rocket Racer reapears and atempts to rob a bank. Gwen Stacy is there and he takes her hostage as Venom and Carnage Arrive. Venom tells Carnage that he knows and is in love with the hostage, but Cassidy sends his red symboite blades through both of them, claiming that their are casualties in war. Enraged, Venom attacks Carnage, only to be easily overpowered. Casualties start to run high in the battle and Venom is forced to flee. Meanwhile, back at the hospital,Gargon wakes up to find that parts of the scorpion suit has been permanity fused to his body as a result of his and Spider-Mans battle. Scorpion leaves in order to gain revenge on the former hero. Peter is in a depressed state, but is finally convinced to return as spiderman when he learns that Gwen Stacy is dead. Believing that Venom caused the death, he usits up and heads out to in search of Venom. Casidy stumbles apon a battlerd Scorpion but realises that it's just a man with a grudge against spider-man (do to brock's memories) Carnage takes Scorpion back to the Trask Industries.
BeauReed - 3/27/2009, 11:56 PM
Part 7

Peter finds Venom and the too battle it out. Peter holds nothing back and beats Venom, blaming him for killing Gwen. Venom is able to explain that it wasn't him, it was a new threat that used the same alian symboite that he did and that it had killed Gwen. Peter Parker finally believes him and heds out to find doctor conors. He arries at the college to learn that the good professor was fired sometime back at the request of a gentlemen who represent Trask industries. Spider-Man and Venom hed off in oder to gain clues to the identity of the new threat. Willson Fisk Cammoe's in the next scene, with 6 battle suits being loaded into a semi truck. Trask thanks him for his buisness and leave. Carnage returns with a beat up Scorpion, asking the good doctor to fix him up a bit so he can help him kill Spider-Man and Venom. Trask agrees and Scorpion is returned to normal battle ready status. Venom and Spider-Man show up at an abandoned factory only to be anbushed by the schoker and Rino. Venom tangles with the Shocker untill his guantlents temporarly disrupt the stability of the symboite. Spider-Man is able to outwitt the Rhino, forcing im to crash through a wall and into the icy waters below. Spider-Man and Venom double team the Shocker and forces him to tell them were to find Carnage. The shocker agrees but is impailed by a maden Venom after he reveals the location. The shocker is left alive and Peter is forced to rush him to the hospital as Venom goes after Carnage alone.
BeauReed - 3/28/2009, 12:13 AM
Part Eight

Venom arives that the Trask Industries where a Dr. Connors is studying DNA splicing. Dr. Connors atempts to run but Venom throws him through a wall where Mr. Trask, Carnage, and Scorpion are waiting. Carnage and Scorpion double team Venom, who is easilly overcome. Spider-Man finally arives and takes on a madened Scorpion as Venom goes one on one with Carnage. Mr. Trask and Dr. Connors are then escorted to the roof while the duos fight. Spider-Man tries to express how sorry his is for what he did to Gargon but Gargon is in no shape to hear it. THe Scorpion attacks but is deafeated by Spider-Man. Spider-Man then assist the loosing Venom against Carnage and the two are barely able to overcome him. Parker tries to remove the symboite from Cadisy, but is interupted by Venom who sends Parker flying out of the building. Venom procides to abzorb the symbote to form Ultimate Venom. UVenom kills Casidy (as he now has Casidies murderus intent and Venom's sence of justice.) Spiderman is able to recover and intercepts Venom as he tries to kill Mr. Trask and Doctor Conors. Spider-Man pleads with him not to kill them, as he is good friends with Mr. Connors. (flashback to Venom was pleading with Casidy not to kill Gwen.) UV thinks for a second but is unable to controll Carnages influences. Venom atempts to kill Conors and Trask but Spider-Man saves them at the last second. Enraged UVenom attackes Spider-Man, who leads him away from the city and twoards a Power Plant. Ultimate Venom attacks Spiderman and is about to kill him when a halfed crazed Scorpion appears and attacks Venom. Venom easily dispatches the Scorpion, but Peter is able to recover during those few seconds and tackles Venom into a Fire Vent. Spiderman webs Venom so de doesn't fall into the pit, but Scorpion attacks him and the webbing is cut. Ultimate venom falls into the pit and decenigrates. Spider-Man and Scorpion battle untill Spider-Man is caught in the Scorpions tail. The Scorpion claimes he has a self destuct button on his suit that will ultimately kill both of them. Scorpion presses the button and the countdown sequence begins. Peter is able to free himself from the tail and atempts to save Gargon, unaware that the suit has been fused with his skin. Spider-Man rips off part of Gargons suit but Gargon slashes at him with his tail. The scorpion makes one final leap twoards Spider-Man but the suit explodes before he can reach him, sending an unhurt Spider-Man of the top of the building.
BeauReed - 3/28/2009, 12:20 AM
Fin

Peter Parker, after a few days of RnR, preposes to Mary Jane, who accepts his offer. Wilson Fisk opens the battle suits he purchased and revieals glimpses of the Vulture, Beetle, Jack o lanter, Hob Goblin, speed demond and Mysterio. Dr. Connors injects himslef with a potion and we see Kraven's plan coming from oversees to hunt a certain spider.
TheMyth - 3/28/2009, 2:10 AM
@Justadjust: There are ways to bring back the symbiote or Venom as Mac Gargon, though the latter would be less interesting without first being the Scorpion. Also, Raimi essentially said he found the character of Venom to be uninteresting. Knowing that in the comics, the symbiote can't survive without either a host or being put in a suspended animation for more than a few few hours. I'd find it more believable that a piece survived the explosion at the construction site and managed to locate and bond with a certain psychotic onlooker.

As for Lizard/Morbius, I can't say I'd mind it as long as Lizard gets more face time. After all, it would be a very good and plausible story. Both were at ESU at different points. It would be easy to have an accident tying the 2 together in a movie. Though Honestly I'd like to see the most classic version of Lizard's origin. Lizard/Kraven is a great story waiting to happen, Lizard/Morbius is pretty easy on my mind as well. Give us a 3 minute bank robbery with Shocker too, I don't care when or where, just do it. Rhino/Shocker would be a great lackey combination for a movie involving something like the return of Norman Osborn. I'm pretty sure that's who Sam is talking about in regards to reviving the dead.

Thanks for the chops HAWK!!!
louisesmith3000 - 3/28/2009, 6:07 AM
Sam Raimi ----- I also love Spider-Man very super duper much. I have been a lifelong fan of Spider-Man since I was a little girl. You are the ultimate director and genius of the sexy Spider-Man franchise. Do not blame yourself for something you never did. There is, and never was, a problem with Spider-Man 3. You did a great job with the movie, as well as its predecessors, Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. Praise yourself for doing so well, and also praise yourself for making my fantasy come true; bringing my favorite comic book superhero, Spider-Man, to the big screen. Keep continuing with the franchise. It brings out the ultimate best in me. Also, thank you Sam Raimi, for bringing Tobey Maguire into my life and into my heart. My father loves Tobey Maguire very much, and wants him to be his son-in-law more than everything in the world. It is also not your fault Sam Raimi that Tobey Maguire married someone who loves only his money; not him and definitely not his children. By the time you make more super duper sexy Spider-Man movies, I will hopefully be working full-time as a Medical Office Receptionist, as well as recovering from getting the lipoma removed from my back; if I am still alive, strong, and well enough after the procedure and the results that will follow to pursue my ultimate dream job as a Medical Office Receptionist.
THEHAWK - 3/28/2009, 7:44 AM
Your welcome Myth.

Its to bad there will never be any crossovers because Spidey is owned by Sony. Kingpin is owned by Fox so he can't be in it
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