Multi-- Nah, not complaining. It is a well thought out opinion. I agree with everything you have to say except for the "no" to Spider 4. All the Spidey movies have huge problems and at some points change who spiderman is. I heard that Raimi didn't want the web shooters because it wasn't believable for a high school student to make such a thing. Well, Mr. Raimi, they'll believe it if you tell 'em. Plus it's part of Spidey's history that everybody knows. After it all I think the absence of the web shooters was ok. Spidey making his own webs with his body makes him more spidery. Luckily, the webs didn't come out of his ass!

I totally agree that the Black Cat is a bad sign for the next spidey movie regardless of how bad my pants want to see whoever pours herself into that costume. It does kind of sound like it's going to be the same silly party that 3 was. But I'm still glad he's giving it another go. I like Raimi as a filmmaker so I'll give it a chance. If you haven't seen Drag Me to Hell, it is hilarious!

I try to look at CBMs the same way I look at life. There are a lot of things that piss me the [frick] off but I will be a miserable cuss to be around if I let all of them get to me. I save my most visceral anger for the sucky things that stand out the most like, X3, Spiderman 3, Indiana Jones 4, Electra, Catwoman, Wolverine, Watchmen (yikes! Ducks from shoes being thrown), ect...

@ multi

yeah, not complaining, its your opinion, and you made good arguments. but i have to disagree with a lot of them. like tea said, spidey punches doc ock in the face all the time in the comics, also, we all know that spidey pulls his punches when fighting normal people, otherwise he'd knock their heads into another dimension, lol. and in the comics, sandman isn't just an evil guy. he's a reluctant villain, not for the same reasons, but he is. in fact, the sinister six had to blackmail him to join, and when he resisted doc ock turned him into a glass statue. so he's not COMPLETELY horrible person in the comics. he is, but i wouldn't call him evil.

Wow, he's such a forward thinker. lol

btw I thought the casting for sandman was pretty spot on but he also kinda looked like Brock from the comics.

Teabag that was awesome!

Multi, great article man, and I agree with a lot you've said. Spidey is my favorite character since I was 5 and I've been reading him for the past 21 years. Tobey was never the Parker/Spidey we all grew to love.

Where was the egotistical smart ass responses when Spider-Man is within imminent doom? His Parker was sort of right, except yeah, he never came off as the super intelligent person that he is.


Here's hoping for the best in Spider-Man 4.

At the same time, this is the director's interruption, no this doesn't excuse the monstrosity that was third installment. However, it does grant some personal liberties with the characters, but Rami just did not make the right choices.

Well said Multi. I can honestly say that I don't disagree with one thing here.

I was never 100% comfortable with Raimi's take on things. He did a lot of things that I wouldn't have done and there was some very poor writing and decision making.
The entire franchise could have been a lot better than it was, and that's a fact.

But I sort of echo Betty's thoughts in that I try not to let the little issues get to me. There are much worse things in the Marvel movie verse than the things you mentioned. Like how they ruined Doom, Galactus, Dark Phoenix. Elektra's magical self propeling, self guided sai. Compared to those things, the [frick] ups in Spider man, as numerous as they are, are relatively minor.
AND in the case of Raimi's Spider - Man there were some little things that were well done. His JJ Jameson was SPOT ON perfect. Brilliantly casted, brilliantly acted.
Aunt May and Uncle Ben? Perfection. Couldn't ask for better. Spider-Man's suit was cool and well played. The look of the webs, the stretchiness and the ways he uses them.. very well done.

So anyway I think the crux of all this ultimately ammounts to is that what we all want is a movie that is at least as good as the book, if not better.
We fans are recreating a standard between ourselves for how these films should be judged, and hopefully someday Hollywood will learn to respect that and use it to guide what they do

i liked the movie but i didint like them was killing eddie brock/venom and harry

poni- i think they should finish what they started and then later on redo the movie with a younger cast and probably different villians and different storys

Nice article dude..I disagree with you! But you explain your opinions very well..I guess Im just not a direct comic translation stickler. Aside from that, I don't think Maguire over acted at all, I think he did a great job, but again, different strokes. Like Tea, I rate Spider man 2 as one of the best CBM's we have seen so far. So it changes stuff from the comics, big deal! Show me a CBM that doesn't and I'll show you a good performance in GI Joe(sorry Lee:) Basically what Im saying is, If you disliked the general feel of the movie(acting, direction, effects, what have you) thats fine, but if you dislike these movies based solely on their deviations from the characters in the comics, then surely you hold that conviction to every CBM out there? I mean, which ones DO you like? You name one, and I'll list just as many deviations from the comic on which its based that you just did in your article. (well, not quite as many in some cases, but I'll give it a go:)

Dead on, Maguire's performance never hit the right note for me but beggars can't be choosers I guess...

this article should be shredded, burned and buried. lol. j/K. all i can say is no cb movie has been true. they're all going to have adjustments. but i do agree with the whining but not that it shouldn't be made.

Good article, even thou I don’t completely agree with you, you have very good points. I must say I love the first Spider-man, the story was interesting, I like the cast, with the exception of MJ, and the special effects were good (back then). The only thing that bothered me was the Green Goblin mask; William Defoe could have made a better goblin without it.

When I first watch the sequel I didn’t like it for the same reasons you don’t, the noble hearted Dock Ok was not my cup of tea, but after I watched it for the second time it grew on me, I ended up loving Alfred Molina’s take on the character. I related to the problems of the other characters too: economical (Peter Parker), frustrated aspirations (MJ), and to have to overcome the loss of your father (Harry Osborne).

There is nothing good I can say about the third part, it was disappointing, Eddie Brock was even a worst miscast than MJ, Uncle Ben’s “real” murder plot was stupid, and the special effects were lame.

To me Rami has made 2 great movies and one really bad one, I wish he had let the franchise rest, but I’m still willing to give him a chance with the next Spider-man installment.

Poni

I dug the article. It hit a lot of the issues I have with the series. I agree totally that these movies got worse with every installment. I'm not going to rehash everything that's already been said. I will say that Raimi's obsession with giving every villain a redemption storyline is assinine and completely ruined the last two movies for me... well that and the fact that Spiderman 3 was one of the worst movies I've seen, period. Which is why I will no longer support this franchise with my money, or my time. Again, nice job. You speak for many.

Oh yeah Im not trying to get you to change your opinions of course, Im just debating! Iron Man did a pretty good job..but there are still a lot of differences from the source! They pretty much nailed Stark..which is obviously the most important thing, and why the other things don't seem to matter so much..still, they are there for the nit picking. Just like TDK, which changed just as much if not more than the Spidey movies.

Great Article Multi- I totally agree why the [frick] are all the bad guys to be sympathized with ... [frick] them .. they are the bad guys for a reason ... because they are BAD... End of story... At least in Superman Returns Lex was no one to sympathize with ... ;-)

Great artcle MULTI - I actually agree with every single word...however, in my opinion the good points in the first two movies outweigh these by a hell of a lot! Despite that the issues you've raised are major ones and I for one have always hated Maguire as Spider-Man! Bret Harrison or Jake Gyllenhall would be much better choices and with McGuire nearing 40 I'd like to see a new, younger actor take over ASAP!

Although I'm desperate for Norman Osborn to return I think that should be saved for the end of the fourth and then the fifth movie so they can keep the focus on a new villain in 4 (hopefully Electro or Scorpion!) But if Osborn does don the suit to become the Green Goblin again then he better wear something a lot better than the crappy costume from the first movie! The comic book version would easily work on the big screen anyway IMO!

Anyway as far as Im concerned Raimi has made two great movies and one crap one - if Spider-Man 4 is no good then its time for his ass to be kicked out the door but I think that he deserves just one more chance...

Multi@ ok i could agree whit a lot you have said. but now i want you to admit that Mr. Ditkovich is great! Cmon, you HAD to admit it! Hahahahahahaha