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10 Fan Nods I Want in The First Avenger: Captain America

A list of the Top Ten Captain America comic details that fans would love to see make it on film. They might not be essential to the story, but it wouldn't be the same without them.


Joe Simon conceived the idea for Captain America, which was refined by his partner, artist Jack Kirby, in 1941. Captain America was a consciously political creation on their part. Simon and Kirby were morally repulsed by the actions of Nazi Germany in the years leading up to the United States' involvement in World War II and felt war was inevitable. Simon later said, "The opponents to the war were all quite well organized. We wanted to have our say too." Captain America Comics #1 was released in December of 1940, a year before the bombing of Pearl Harbor but a full year into World War II The cover art showed the protagonist punching Nazi leader Adolf Hitler in the jaw, which undoubtedly helped the issue sell more than one million copies.

The basic story, though slightly modified many times, is this: During World War II, a young Steve Rogers tried to enlist into the military but was turned away due to his frail and sickly body. Steve Rogers was given another chance to serve his country, as a General overheard his rejection and offers Steve a chance to fight the Nazi’s by being a part of a top-secret experiment. Steve agrees wholeheartedly.

After being given a super-solider serum and was blasted by radiation, Steve’s body was no longer sickly and frail but the pinnacle of human perfection. Unfortunately, the plans for the super-soldier serum were lost when a Nazi spy killed the scientist who kept the plans secreted away in his mind. Steve was to be the first and last super soldier. After months of extensive training he was soon put into action as Captain America. He fought Hitler, the Nazi’s and his greatest foe, The Red Skull; but his work was soon cut short when fighting Baron Zemo. Tied to a rocket with his sidekick, Bucky, Captain America was too late in freeing the two and the rocket exploded, apparently killing Bucky and sending Captain America to what seemed to be an icy grave in the frigid Atlantic Ocean.

His frozen body was found decades later by his former Invaders teammate Namor, the Sub-Mariner. Due to the super soldier formula, he survived. He is a man that is ripped from his own generation, living in the future but never able to escape his past. Instead of sulking, Captain America took the opportunity to continue to fight the good fight and has gone on to lead the Avengers and become an agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.

I’ve compiled the top ten Captain America comic references that I believe would amplify fan approval for Star Spangled Avenger’s film. These things could easily be ignored, modified or left on the cutting room floor; but they would make the film so much more meaningful to me. Here are my picks and how I would attempt to integrate them into the film:


10. Sentinels of Liberty - No, I’m not referring to the Young Allies team lead by Bucky Barnes. This was the Captain America fan club that came about during World War II. For those of you that don’t know, Captain America’s comics were so popular when they first came out, circulation figures remained close to a million copies per month after the debut issue. It even outstripped the circulation of news magazines like Time during that period. This wasn’t just a fan club along the lines of the Merry Marvel Marching Society (for those of you that remember it, you’re officially ‘old’), it was wartime propaganda directly tied into Captain America comic books. Full page advertisements were in every issue and posters were displayed in every major US city. Rough estimates of member numbers were in the tens of thousands and it all started because of fan devotion to Captain America, Bucky and their allies.

I think a brief scene showing Cap mulling over this poster, or another similar one, would be a tangible way of displaying his disdain over the propaganda issue. It would also be a good way to honor Joe Simon and Jack Kirby, who were directly involved with the creation of the fan club.





9. Weapon Plus - It is a fictional clandestine program within the Marvel universe, whose purpose is the creation of super soldiers intended to fight the wars of the future. During the 1940s, the existence of mutants was not yet known to the general public. A select few individuals were aware of the existence of Homo superior and the fact that they had the potential to replace baseline humans as the dominant species on Earth. Weapon Plus was created to address the so-called ‘mutant problem’, though many agencies they worked with were not aware of this intent. There were sixteen installments of the program throughout the decades; where Weapon Plus has used increasingly more extreme methods to create its super soldiers. Captain America, a product of Weapon I also known as Project: Rebirth, was enhanced to peak human levels. Project: Rebirth was retroactively made a part of the Weapon Plus after WWII when Weapon Plus became an official organization. Wolverine was the most successful participant of Weapon X; which employed genetic alteration, brainwashing and memory implants. What was unknown by everyone involved in Weapon Plus is that its mastermind, John Sublime, was actually the host body for a sentient bacteria present in every living creature on the planet, save for mutants, who were genetically immune to the Sublime infection.


Why would the filmmakers bother including this into the Captain America film? Because it’s already been mentioned:

In the 2008 Marvel Studios film The Incredible Hulk, General Ross can be seen extracting an experimental super-soldier serum created by Dr. Reinstein from a cold storage lab where the containers are marked "Weapons Plus".



Now they get a chance to elaborate on that little Easter egg that most fans probably overlooked.





8. Sharon Carter, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. - Sharon grew up hearing stories of her aunt, Margaret "Peggy" Carter, who was a freedom fighter during World War II. During this time, Peggy worked alongside Steve Rogers/Captain America, on several occasions. The two fell in love despite Rogers never finding out her name, but were separated in the closing weeks of the war. They never reunited before Rogers was thought dead, lost and frozen in the Atlantic Ocean Inspired by her aunt's adventures, Sharon joined S.H.I.E.L.D. and was assigned the code name "Agent 13". By then, Rogers had been revived and, during one of Sharon's earliest missions, he came to her aid. Throughout the years, Sharon and Steve have had an on and off romantic relationship. . .until she shot his three times in the gut at point blank range.

Since the film will be book-ended during modern times, I think Sharon should be one of the agents who find and thaw Cap along with Nick Fury. If Marvel is planning on using her as an active S.H.I.E.L.D. agent, might as well get the introduction out of the way.





7. Cosmic Cube - The Cosmic Cube is a device created by a secret society of para-military scientists known as A.I.M. and is capable of transforming any wish into reality, irrespective of the consequences. The Red Skull obtains the device but before successfully using it he is tricked and defeated by Captain America. The object is revealed to be so powerful that it drove MODOK, another A.I.M creation who assisted with the formation of the Cube, insane.

There are several ways I see this working on film. First, it could be shown in Nazi custody and mentioned as a powerful weapon if they could only figure out how to manipulate it. The other way is for Red Skull to mention his wish to acquire it, but he is ridiculed by his Nazi superiors for believing it to be more than a myth. Not only would it be an appreciated mention in the film, but a good way to touch upon A.I.M.





6. Sgt. Fury and the Howling Commandos - This elite, specialized military unit (a First Attack Squad) was led by Nick Fury during World War II and consisted of Corporal Thaddeus Aloysius Cadwallander "Dum Dum" Dugan, Private Gabriel Jones, Private Robert "Rebel" Ralston, Private Dino Manelli, Private Isadore "Izzy" Cohen, Private Jonathan "Junior" Juniper, Private Percival "Pinky" Pinkerton and Private Eric Koenig. Two of their more infamous nemeses were Baron Zemo and the Adolf Hilter’s protégé, the Red Skull. They fought alongside Captain America and Bucky on several occasions.

I keep picturing a particular scene over and over in my head that makes this team fit in well with the movie: The final confrontation shows Cap, the Invaders and Allied troops storming the Red Skull’s headquarters in an attempt to defeat him/save a captured comrade/destroy experimental Nazi weapons (see #3 on my list). The Invaders attack from every angle their super powers allow, while the outnumbered Allied troops lead the ground attack. And there are no better ground pounders in the Marvel U than the howling Commandos. This would also be a great way for Cap and Nick Fury to be introduced to each other.





5. Cap’s Motorcycle - Captain America has never ignored a chance to ride a Harley. From keeping one stored by his Brooklyn apartment in modern times to leaving skid marks on fascist’s faces, Cap is a hardnosed rider through and through.

With that being said, how would it incorporate well into the film? I don’t believe many of us would want to see Cap riding all around Germany or doing bike stunts during his USO tour. Since we do know that motorcycles were frequently used by both sides during WWII, it should be that hard to throw a scene in where Cap gets to show off his two-wheeling skills. The best and simplest way I picture it is if Cap knocks a Nazi troop off a bike and takes it as a quick means of transport. Once he gets to his destination, he jumps off and thinks/says something to the effect of ‘Why don’t I have one of those?’





4. Union Jack I & II- The original Union Jack, James Montgomery Falsworth, was an adventurer and British government operative during World War I. He came out of retirement to fight during World War II; becoming a member of the Invaders after the original Human Torch saves his daughter, Jacqueline Falsworth (aka Spitfire), from Baron Blood. He was an athletic man who possessed no superhuman powers. He was trained in the field of espionage, armed and unarmed combat. He wore a bullet-proof costume, carried a signature 6" dagger and a .455 caliber Webley revolver.

Brian Falsworth (Union Jack II) is the son of James Montgomery Falsworth (Union Jack) and brother to Jacqueline Falsworth (Spitfire). Though initially sympathetic toward Germany and supportive of peace between it and the United Kingdom, Brian is thrown in prison by the Nazi party. Brian gains superhuman powers through an experiment where a German scientist tries to recreate the Super Soldier Formula that resulted in Captain America.

How would all of this fit into Cap’s movie without taking too long to explain? Easy: James, the original Union Jack, comes out of retirement to aid his daughter (Spitfire) in rescuing his son Brian from a Nazi stronghold where he is being experimented on. Being a master of espionage, he doesn’t reveal this to his Invaders team, who think he is fighting the Nazi party on his government’s behalf. Now if only there were an evil Marvel scientist who would fit well into this scheme . . .





3. Baron Zemo - Dr. Heinrich Zemo, the 12th Baron Zemo, was one of the Nazi Party’s top scientists. He was an enemy to both Captain America and the Howling Commandos during World War II. It was the explosion of his experimental plane over the Atlantic Ocean that caused both the presumed deaths of Bucky and Captain America. Zemo also defeated the Red Skull, his Nazi partner and rival, by burying him alive in a state of suspended animation. He was a brilliant and sadistic scientific genius who created many weapons of mass destruction for Hitler's army, including a large-scale death ray cannon, a disintegration pistol and primitive androids of considerable strength and invulnerability. Zemo’s intelligence was only matched by his sadism, as he routinely tested his deadly weapons on innocent people, both prisoner and civilian inside the Third Reich.

Flashback movie moment: Evil Nazi scientist in need of a guinea pig, meet Brian Falsworth (aka Union Jack). Not only that, let’s not forget he’s the one who built the rocket Cap takes his final WWII ride on.





2. Cap Punching Hilter - The cover art of Captain America’s first comic featured the super soldier giving Adolf Hitler a swift punch across the face. It is one of the most iconic, and highly debated, mainstream character comic covers of all time. It has been mimicked in several other Captain America comics as well as being modified for the Captain America Reborn series (Where he’s demonstrating a very effective rear naked choke hold the bastard dictator).

Being that Cap will most definitely be used as a propaganda tool for the government in the film, this artwork would be a great way of showing it. Not only does it fit the style of political American advertisements for that era, but it would undoubtedly bother the hell out of our hero since he isn’t actually given the opportunity to fight in the war.





1. Cap’s Ricocheting Shield - Besides Wolverine’s adamantium claws, no weapon in the Marvel universe is wielded with such mastery and skill as Captain America’s Shield. Before carrying his signature round shield, Cap carried several triangular shaped ones. These shields were ‘retired’ in very different fashions: One was given by him King T'Chaka, father of T'Challa (the Black Panther) of the African country Wakanda as a pledge that the nation would remain uninvolved in the rest of their war; another was stolen decades later by Baron Zemo while it was stored in Avengers Mansion; the third was kept in the Smithsonian Museum until destroyed by a Kree warrior. Cap’s discus-shaped shield personally presented to him by President Franklin Roosevelt.

This new weapon was created by a fictional American who had been commissioned by the US government to create an indestructible armor material to aid the war effort. MacLain experiments with an alien metal found only in Wakands called vibranium. During one of his experiments to fuse vibranium with an experimental iron alloy,[2] MacLain falls asleep and awakens to find the experiment a startling success. However he is unable to duplicate the result. The vibranium-iron alloy mix is then poured into a mold for a tank's upper hatch to create the disc shape and painted to become what has been Captain America's symbol for decades.

The vibranium in the shield grants it unusual properties, since the metal itself is able to absorb direct and ambient vibration. It can absorb virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives without injuring the bearer in the process. The vibranium is also a factor in the way Cap throws his shield: he often uses it to ricochet around a room and strike various opponents with little loss of velocity in its forward movement after each impact.
Though Cap has used his shield for almost every offensive and defensive maneuver, it is this ‘ricochet’ technique that his fighting style is most associated with. Since the composition of the shield goes hand in hand with the manner in which it is used, it would make the most sense if the film incorporated both elements. It is an easy aspect for the filmmakers to leave out (especially since it’s hard to make believable without explanation) but I would very much like to see it included.


Many thanks to Marvel for the background information and images used in this article.

A few quick things:

*This was ready to be posted earlier but I had to do a last minute update due to the news of the Invaders being in the film. They were originally my #3 choice.

*Namor was originally my #2 choice, so the same goes for why I excluded his from the list. Knowing the Invaders will have a major presence in hte movie, I feel that he will undoubtedly be shown since he was the first to find Cap frozen in ice (Avengers #4, March 1964).

*I have a feeling that when Steve Rogers sees Union Jack in his uniform (look at the above pic), it will give him the incentive to change from the combat style uniform he wears to the full on Captain America suit we’re all used to. If England's top espionage agent can get away with wearing a uniform most could be considered gaudy, then Cap sure as hell can lead troops with one.
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106 Comments

nice job poni. I agree with all these points but how they gonna put the hitler thing in
theres the conundrum
but in any case nick cage for hitler
an ohh yeah
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darthstern - 2/7/2010, 11:12 PM
Agreed. I was feeling really nervous about this film until today when I got my electricity back, checked CBM, and found a hella ton of news on the Cap movie. Seems to be going in the right direction. You think they'll shoot Avengers and TFA:Captain America back to back? They'll need to get started by January next year.
jusme6 - 2/7/2010, 11:16 PM
unfortunatley, Multi you are maing the assumption that not only will Union Jack appear in the film, but he will also wear his signature costume.
from what i've read about Johnston, he wants this grounded in reality which means that Cap probably will keep his combat uniform.

i would love to see all these things but that is a bit of a strecth even for a 2 1/2 hour movie.
Wadey09 - 2/7/2010, 11:18 PM
@jusme, I don't think it will be exactly back to back, but there won't be a huge time in between. The crew working on TFA wont be the same one working on the Avengers. While Joe Johnston is still in post production and editing his movie, the Avengers will start shooting.
CaptainOtter - 2/7/2010, 11:20 PM
@Jusme
if TFA is coming out next June, i think they'll need to start filming this year.
which is when it is scheduled to film. i believe the director said near the end of June is when filming will start.
so we can assuredly expect some casting news within the next two months!
Wadey09 - 2/7/2010, 11:21 PM
nice job poni. I agree with all these points but how they gonna put the hitler thing in
theres the conundrum
but in any case nick cage for hitler
an ohh yeah
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darthstern - 2/7/2010, 11:22 PM
I love the motorcycle idea, and out of all these I see it as the most likely to be included due to Johnston's past work. Even though he wasn't involved in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, the movie with one of the coolest bike chases ever, I feel that his over all relationship to that franchise is strong enough that a stunt like that could easily make it into Captain America. Also, given that Cap will be used for propaganda I could see the Hitler image and the fan club getting some nods as well.

The only thing that I see as too far out there to appeeare in the movie would be a Namor cameo. I say this not because he's to weird to fit into the movie, but because I heard that his rights are tied to the FF movie rights, making him the property of Fox. But that could be just a rumor.
thwhtGuardian - 2/7/2010, 11:26 PM
I can see two things: A disgruntled Cap pointing to a poster of him punching Hitler and saying "When do I get to do that." Two, how funny would it be to see Nic Cage as Hitler getting punched in the face by Cap. Great list @Poni.
Ugh - 2/7/2010, 11:27 PM
Oh, and I think the cosmic cube would make for a great MacGuffin. And I think something of his artistic ability needs to be mentioned as well.
Ugh - 2/7/2010, 11:33 PM
sweet article man.
def gotta show propaganda ads with him in it, and i love the idea of showing carter at the end of the movie. jack and zemo r a must, though i dont see the need to have the baron in his mask..AND YES!!!! CAP'S GOTTA PUNCH HITLER IN THE FACE, IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM!!!! :D
Duhdaduh - 2/7/2010, 11:34 PM
@thwhtGuardian
Namor's rights i believe are with Universal and like Hulk, i believe that Universal will more likely share fame and money than Fox ever would.
Wadey09 - 2/7/2010, 11:49 PM
Poni
Love these fan nod commentaries. Keep em up!
Phinehas - 2/7/2010, 11:50 PM
Glad you like these articles guys! With all of our CBM news hounds patrolling the internet day and night I wanted to try and bring something unique to the table. I'll be focusing more on features and editorials now.

For those CBMers out there without an in depth knowledge of comic canon, I hope these get them interested in picking up a few older comic books. For the rest of us, it should be a nice refresher.

@Wadey: Johnston directed Rocketeer and one of the Jurassic Park movies. When he says things like 'grounding in reality' I don't think he means suspension of disbelief like Nolan does. I think he means that he doesn't want to throw random fantasy aspects into a film without having realistic associations the audience can relate to.

@whtGuardian: Universal owns Namor and they are the only studio that will work with Marvel. I don't think they would have included the Invaders if they couldn't use Namor (wink, wink. . . testing the audience for a possible solo film).

For those of you who don't remember the super soldier serum scene in The Incredible Hulk movie, here are a few screencaps I made:




Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 12:04 AM
the motorcycle bit remind me of the wolverine chase scene :\ maybe cap can do it better
lee mitchell - 2/8/2010, 12:05 AM
In regards to the Howling Commandos, I'd love to see them, but there are two roadblocks to them being done properly. 1.)There's no simple way to have Nick Fury show up and not explain how he's only aged twenty nears since the 40s, and 2.) Since the Marvel movies are going with Sam Jackson as Fury, there's a problem with the fact that during WWII, the Military was hugely segregated...but if you made ALL of the Commandos black, well, that eliminates the problem, but you're still left with having to spend a chunk of time explaining Fury's lack of aging. That being said, if they appear, I'd like to see it happen this way--

The Invaders and The Howling Commandos storm the Nazi base at the end of the movie. They battle and defeat the Red Skull, but not before he launches a rocket, which Bucky and Cap go after. We see the rocket explode, and Cap's body fall to the ocean. Whip back around to a young Nick Fury who is looking on at the explosion with fear and awe. Dissolve to modern time, Hold the same view on Fury's face as he rapidly ages into his current form. The camera now moves to reveal that he is standing over the frozen body of Captain America as it begins to thaw.

Now, just because I feel like sharing, I'm gonna go into a little detail about the Invaders script I wrote a few years ago--

Basically, it started with Steve inlisting, but being turned away. Mark Todd, a higher up in the military confronted Steve and convinced him to become a Super Soldier. The experement is done in a secret base in the back of a museum. The Nazis break in and kill everyone. Steve climbs out of the rebirth chamber and covers himself with a nearby flag (nod to Earth X). He grabs a kite shield from a display case and fights off the Nazis. Mark Todd comes back for him and inlists him in a secret military operation known as "The Invaders". They go on a few successful missions, but then the Nazis, who are working on a super-soldier of their own, capture Mark Todd, and the Invaders have to go after them. The ending involved them finding Mark, who had been experemented on (now, he seemed to be a partially muscled skeleton, but was fully functioning, and now seemed to be flame-retardant), adn are confronted by the newly created Nazi super soldier dubbed "Red Skull". They fight in an airplane, which Cap crashes in the ocean in order to prevent the Red Skull from reaching America...

That's it...

But, based on what I've heard about the movie, I think it'll be great. It's amazing how just a few simple words from the director, reasuring you of how a project is going, can completely change your opinion on the project. I, for one, was incredibly worried until his interviews...now I'm more at ease.
contrast - 2/8/2010, 12:08 AM
Multi
Great list! So much lore and back-story there to be told, so many cameos and details. My thoughts;

10) Would be incredible!
9) Would be almost necessary at this point
8) You will probably see Sharon Carter for a second or two at the end.
7) Ain't going to happen
6) BETTER happen! Even if briefly
5) Could care less, but would be easy to throw in, so I don't see why not.
4) Would be sick, but probably not going to happen.
3) Could happen if the movie is long enough. It would be a good cameo as he is integral for some of the origin.
2) Would be as fantastic to see as the Sentinels poster.
1) Of course you are going to see this! It was in that shitty Captain America from the 90's. If they could do it...

and something I would personally like to see. The original triangular shield, and it being replaced. That would be cool.
gtrman - 2/8/2010, 12:25 AM
"7) Ain't going to happen"

So, so very true :( I just dare to dream

Oh, and regarding #1, I really hope they include the vibranium aspect if Cap's going to be boomeranging that shield around. IT would be silly to just show him doing that and expect the audience to go 'OK!' without explaining that the filmmakers aren't ignoring the laws of physics.

I'm not even mentioning the triangular shield because that damn well better be in the movie. From what I've heard Johnston say so far, I don't have any worries.

Did you read all the crying on the Cap USO article yesterday? Holy shit! People are talking about it like it's the worst possible thing to happen in the movie lol
Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 12:34 AM
I know some people aren't going to like this, but in the Ultimate line in addition to making Fury black he was also the ultimate version of Isiah Bradley...and a member of the howling commandos. In Ultimate Origins #1 we see once again that a number of African-American soldiers were used to test out the Super Soldier Serum before they tried it on a white guy. It worked for the story...but I personally think it's a little to much to work in a movie.

I just through it out there because that's how they dealt with the time gap between Fury's WWII origins and the Ultimates. I personally think he's already Ultimate enough without throwing in more ultimate stuff.
thwhtGuardian - 2/8/2010, 12:40 AM
You were bitten by the beast! You bear his mark now!
slimybug - 2/8/2010, 12:55 AM
@thewhtGuardian--I'm aware, but my point was, it's Captain America's movie...any in-depth origins that don't have to deal specifically with Cap (or with his enemy) should get the boot. I personally think it'd be pointless to add something like Fury's Super-soldier-ness to the movie just to have him be in WWII, as he's already going to appear in the "bookends".
contrast - 2/8/2010, 12:59 AM
Yeah these fan nod things are awesome.. Roll em out Sir.
Imran - 2/8/2010, 1:08 AM
@Multi Please do this for every EVERY single upcoming Movie we all love. :]] please do it for Spidey Reboot :]
Set2Fallfirst - 2/8/2010, 1:33 AM
Holy sh*tballs! slimybug got bitten by the beast!

@whtGuardian: That's not a half bad idea dude, kudos

@Imran/Set: Thanks! I'm working on Thor, Spidey and Deadpool right now.
Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 1:51 AM
why did everybody post in bold lol?
Fartman - 2/8/2010, 2:00 AM
Nice list, I'm torn on the shield, I kinda want to see the classic triangular shields for the majority of the movie, but the round shield is iconic and HAS to be included.

And yeah, I'd like to see Cap on a bike as well.
Layperson - 2/8/2010, 2:37 AM
Great stuff multi@
well, on the Cosmic Cube i have some doubt,but i guess they may mention it simply as "the cube",referring to a generic weapon lost or unavailable. sharon Carter is a must,as the ricocheting shield is. The poster: nice and easy to show,as the motorcycle during some Solo-action. "weapon plus": they better explain it in some way. Zemo could work as an evil scientist,without weird mask or costume. Union Jack and the commandos hell yeah! But Hitler punched...mhh i dunno. It would be as funny as unrealistic. I mean,how can one justify the fact that he came close enough to be able to hit him so convincing?
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 2:37 AM
Too bad Nick Fury COULDN'T have been in WWII in this movie.
Y'know, because Nick Fury isn't in his late 80's in these movies.
LightningArmour - 2/8/2010, 2:41 AM
Lightning@ don't you know the serum thing about fury? After being gravely injuried during a mission,he was treated with Prof. Sternberg's experimental "infinity formula",able to virtually stop the human aging process. I'm hoping they use this in the movie
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 2:47 AM
Nicely done, Multi.

Misterfixit@ Yep...He started taking the infinity serum in 1940. They definitely can work Fury into the movie. I'm surprised that there are those that don't know Fury's aging process is slowed because of the formula. After using the formula for such an extended period, he eventually quit taking it, as it was enough to keep prolonging his life.
Ranger14 - 2/8/2010, 3:28 AM
I'm almost positive Nick Fury will be in this- remember way back when, that guy from Transformers who wants to be Luke Cage? Well at one point there was an interview and he said he'd either do Cage, or a part in Captain America. Cage would be an entire movie, so he'd only give it up for a decent role in Cap.

And what is a muscular, bad-ass black guy whose bald gonna be? Probably Nick Fury (ultimate style).

As for the race thing, I figure that Fury could just be so unreal at his job, that they don't care what colour he is- and his is a black-ops group, so the public wouldn't see pics of black and white guys fighting together (because that would be a problem...[frick] I love that I live in 2010 :)
DannyRand401 - 2/8/2010, 3:56 AM
Good stuff multi :P



teabag - 2/8/2010, 4:02 AM
Though some are more necessary than others it would be brilliant to see any of these things in the Captain America movie! Union Jack, Baron Zemo and the Cosmic Cube are perhaps the three things I would most like to see! :)
JoshW - 2/8/2010, 4:05 AM
Cant say as i will be heart broken if the Cube is not mentioned but im looking forward to some Great Escape Motorbike moments :)
teabag - 2/8/2010, 4:11 AM
dannyRand401@ Nick Fury should be in it, but we already know Samuel Jackson is the present day Nick Fury. Not sure if they will use someone younger and different just for the Cap movie. Fury would have been in his early-mid 20's during World War II, so Jackson wouldn't quite fit in the perfect sense of the comic book world. Don't know who the guy is you are referring to.
Ranger14 - 2/8/2010, 4:13 AM
For those not convinced of the spur and acting prowess that Jensen Ackles would bring to the role of Captain America then watch this video:



Ackles for Cap! :D
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 4:14 AM
Boek@ lmao...Ackles for Cap :)
teabag - 2/8/2010, 4:18 AM
I wish I followed comics more closely....
Can anyone explain to me how the shield is able to ricochet if it also absorbs the impact? Wouldn't it just fall to the floor once it hits something?

"The vibranium in the shield grants it unusual properties, since the metal itself is able to absorb direct and ambient vibration. It can absorb virtually all of the kinetic impact from any blows that the shield receives without injuring the bearer in the process."

Is this just some 'comic-book-logic' that is supposed to be ignored?

statechamp00 - 2/8/2010, 4:25 AM
@Champ, Haha Great point mate!!

But just one thing! SSSSSHHHHHH!!!!!!
Answer - 2/8/2010, 4:34 AM
statechamp00@ As long as the impact hits the edges of the shield it can richochet off of objects without absorbing the impact. In fact the edges are kind of the oposite cus they dispurse energy on impact which is why the shield does not lose momentum when hitting several objects :P
teabag - 2/8/2010, 4:35 AM
Boekelaar @ Stick ackles up you a$$!!

HAWKEYE!!!! : p


ARMIE HAMMER or RYAN McPARTLIN for a WWII CAP!!
LEEE777 - 2/8/2010, 4:48 AM
puddddddddddddddding my frav. clip ackles is the man. he can play anything or anyone.
Koussan - 2/8/2010, 4:53 AM
Lee @ lol you and your Hammer and McPartlin! We already know McPartlin is older than what they are looking at and Hammer is at the very bottom of the age range. He is also 6'5" which would make it more challenging to be next to the other Avengers. I am still not sold on his look for Cap. He would need to muscle up some.
Ranger14 - 2/8/2010, 4:59 AM
@LEEE hahahaha

I wish LEEE666 was here, he'd side with me lmao

@tea ;D I live to give lol
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 5:03 AM
Multi, Great article! I didn't even notice the Weapons Plus marked on those tanks in TIH! I'm going to watch it again right now just for the goosebumps.
TheMyth - 2/8/2010, 5:05 AM
@koussan yeah that clip cracks me up every time I see it, I love ackles as much as LEEE hates him.

ACKLES FOR CAP!!!

:D
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 5:09 AM
Boek@ Your my favorit type of giver lol

EYE OF THE TIGER FOR CAP :P
teabag - 2/8/2010, 5:18 AM
I'm gay.
InFamouslyCool - 2/8/2010, 6:04 AM
Excellent job once again Multi. Hey can you do one for Thor please?
Samaritan - 2/8/2010, 6:19 AM
Fury was born in the 10s,so i guess they could use SLJ with a little make up. He is a black man. You know,they often show fewer years. Look at Gibson & Glover. In letal weapon Mel looked more younger than Danny,and he was. I've seen Glover in "2012" and by comparison Gibson now looks like his big brother
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 6:28 AM
I can see this all done in a Watchmen-esque opening sequence. Which would be awesome! BUT! At the same time, that opening's been done for so many other movies, that it might just seem cliche (2 off that list: X-Men Origins and Incredible Hulk). SLJ as Fury is freakin' great, don't get me wrong, but we probably won't see a Howling Commandos, unless we go with the way it was done in Ultimate Origins. Which would mean Wolverine is there, too, which won't happen because Fox would never give up there biggest star of (one of) the worst superhero movies ever.
AlexF6388 - 2/8/2010, 6:43 AM
Great job. Multi!!! Yet again ;)

Boek- JENSEN ACKLES FOR CAPTAIN AMERICA!!! PUUUUUDDDDDDDDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGG!!!!!!! :))

But with the invaders in the feature... and with Johnston saying that "Captain America would be played by a newcomer and that he would surrounded by name actors." Could this mean that VIN DIESEL WILL ACTUALLY BE NAMOR: THE SUBMARINER!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The name of the game is to click on the pic ;P











Shaman - 2/8/2010, 6:46 AM
Shaman@ Great drawing but NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO lol :D

besides Vin has alot on his plate what with the next 7 Fast & Furious movies to make...(someones gotta keep him and walker off the streets lol ) :P



teabag - 2/8/2010, 6:49 AM
Fury thing wouldn't really work since it's Ultimate Fury and that places his ass around Italy or something in WWII. I could be wrong since I don't really read Ultimate Universe stuff. The shield I'd expect its final form to be a gift by Stark Industries since we see what looks to be a half-finished Shield on a table in Tony's workshop during Iron Man. Maybe they'll alter it to have Cap control the shield remotely within his glove as appose to having him rely on good geometry to bounce it back into his hands after a toss.

But in any case who knows? We'll soon see.

WeaponX - 2/8/2010, 7:06 AM
What tea@ said
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 7:12 AM
What MisterFixit@ said :)
teabag - 2/8/2010, 7:21 AM

"Nice to meet you,Rogers...I am the vengeful son of Atlantis. Nice uniform!"
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 7:40 AM
Excellent article! I definitely agree with the final 6!!!

The rest would be fine too, but I wouldn't be disappointed if they didn't include them. :)

Nice one MPP!!!
SixSixteen - 2/8/2010, 7:41 AM
MFixit@ lol








and before anyone complains of too many man pics..














:D
teabag - 2/8/2010, 7:51 AM
THE HOWLING COMMANDOS AND FURY WONT BE IN WWII! SO NO TO THAT DUDE... AND I HIGHLY DOUBT NAMOR WILL BE IN THE INVADERS. UNION JACK AND SPITFIRE ALONG WITH CAP AND BUCKY WILL MAKE UP THE INVADERS. NOTHING TOO HARD TO EXPLAIN TO THE CASUAL AUDIENCE. PLUS THEY WILL ALL IN THE END PROVE A FAILED EXPERIMENT. CAP WILL BE THE ONLY ONE BROUGHT BACK!
dellamorte1872 - 2/8/2010, 7:52 AM
YOU CANT EXPLAIN FURY'S APPEARANCE THEN AND NOW WITHOUT GOING TOO FAR INTO THE "ULTIMATE" UNIVERSE. AND THE SIMILARITIES BECOME FAR TOO GREAT!
dellamorte1872 - 2/8/2010, 7:55 AM
Hahahahahahahaha
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 7:57 AM
@tea dude you're making laugh like a [frick]ing school girl lol that in your face one nearly made me piss em lol

and @shaman

yep ackles is the man for the job
but I disagree on namor
I like what's-his-face, you know eyebrows magee, the bloke with the pair of caterpillars on his forehead, from heroes and star trek. But yeah I'd think he'd do alright but diesal works for the big name theory and he does do well in a war movie (saving private Ryan)
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 8:06 AM
Good point, Tea ;)

Boek- I actually don't want Vin for Namor LOL. He was the fans' choice on the CBM poll a while back. That's why i drew him. He wouldn't look bad in the role but i don't think he has the chops. I'm with Multi, i prefer Luke Goss for Namor :)
Shaman - 2/8/2010, 8:16 AM
Boekelaar@ The point is not if he does well in a war movie. It's if does well half naked,winget feet and flying around :-D
MisterFixit - 2/8/2010, 8:42 AM
#1 is a must have.
Lansdowne5 - 2/8/2010, 8:44 AM
@misterfixit well if you want to go into specifics lol my point was more along the lines that he has a face that goes well with the 40's but yeah you're right. I definitly dont want him in the role now, I do not want to see a half naked vin diesal flying around England and France, it can be quite chilly aroud there and we don't want him taking out anybodys eyes with his nipples lmao
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 8:50 AM
Another great list Multi, Thanks!

I don't understand how everyone is trying to put their own spin on whether Fury will be in or not, its ultimate, black segregation, etc...

We all have to understand this is the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe). It is a blending of classic and ultimate with its own slight variations. If they want to fit Fury in (which I think they should and will), then they will do so, using Marvel comic history with their own spin on it.

Everyone gets caught up in the segregation part of WWII. Ummm this is a CBM, there was no Captain America either. Its like all the westerns & war movies that use black characters effectively without having to rewrite history even though that is not how they actually were in the "real" world. They can make a black Fury or even a whole black Howling Commandos believable and appear historical. I hope they don't even try to explain ethnicity-let's move past that. Nick Fury's age can be handled in about 30 seconds with some reference to serum stopping his aging process.
DogsOfWar - 2/8/2010, 9:32 AM
Boek@ lol......... no to Quinto tho he couldnt bulk up if he tried...



pffft...girly man :D

Shaman@ i know LEEE is the Vin lover here lol




Jason Behr for Namor
:)
teabag - 2/8/2010, 9:40 AM
Photobucket
Lansdowne5 - 2/8/2010, 9:52 AM
I like these articles you've been putting together
@PONI! This one is right on the money! Want all these
things in the movie! But it probably will be hard to
get them all stuffed into one 2-hour movie! Of course
I wouldn't care if it was 2 1/2 or 3 hours! :D
DDD - 2/8/2010, 10:38 AM
@Tea, Quinto needs to keep his shirt on for his
acting parts! That boy is a little on the skimpy
side! lol He could play the BEFORE Steve Rogers!

Uh, is dat Vin pic supposed to be funny or
something cuz he looks just the way he looks all
the time to me! Man, they could store a helicopter
in them nose caves!!!!


DDD - 2/8/2010, 10:43 AM
Great article mpp. Very informative. Keep up the good work buddy.

Rock and Roll, R.R.

P.S. PUDDING!!!!!!! PUDDING!!!!!!
RIKSHAWRenegade - 2/8/2010, 10:44 AM
I like most of those, but the Cosmic Cube is pushin' it. The movie is based on something resembling reality. The Cosmic Cube would totally throw that out unless you made it sound like the Manhattan Project.
Wesley Colvin - 2/8/2010, 11:14 AM
DDD@ lol yeah not only is he skimpy he also has some weird ideas when he gets the lads round....








eeeeeeeeewwwwwww lol :D
teabag - 2/8/2010, 11:16 AM
Great article as always @Multi

I wouldn't mind if all of these nods were included :)

And.... Pudding!!!
LuckyKid90 - 2/8/2010, 11:24 AM
The motorcycle would be a cool nod to the comics, maybe have him 'borrow' a tricked out Harley with the colors of the flag on it. As for everyone debating Nick Fury, the closing scenes, I think after the climax, are the parts in the present day, so Fury, Stark, or even Banner Showing up could make sense. Fury would be the one most likely to know about the wasted Super Soldier Program.
Wesley Colvin - 2/8/2010, 11:28 AM
If Cap throws the shield on screen they'll have to explain that realistically. In the comics you can get away with it because its Captain America, so who gives a damn, right? Movies are a little more picky.
Wesley Colvin - 2/8/2010, 11:34 AM
Nice list. If I could only choose 3, I'd probably go with Baron Zemo, Union Jack, and the shield.
InTylerWeTrust - 2/8/2010, 12:20 PM
10, 8, maybe 7, and 5-1. i can all see happening. the one outta those i think will be the long shot? 7! nick and the howling commandos wont happen he'll be in the modern "bookends" of the film. the only other heros back in theday are the INVADERS which JOHNSTON already comfirmed
dellamorte1872 - 2/8/2010, 12:21 PM
Maybe Fury is white back in the forties and because it's cool to be black, he turns himself black around the mid-70s. As we all know black doesn't crack so he actually IS in his 70s by the time of Iron Man. He did it for cosmetic reasons entirely.

Multi-- I like the shout out to the first issue of Cappy American comics. If they do this USO show stuff. Cap could act out that first issue on stage and punch a Mel Brooks like Hitler in the face to entertain the troops.
Betty - 2/8/2010, 12:48 PM
Sick article Poni... taught me lots of stuff about the character I did not know. God this is going to be amazing. I think Marvel has nailed the franchise formula.

The shield is by far the coolest thing about the character imo... they should devote about 15-20 minutes to it's origin. I have a decent idea for it's origin I think: Roswell (1947). Take a few years licence with it, and it would make for a kick ass scene, I think. This is not the only thing they could introduce via Roswell.

The motorcycle will probably offer a tasty product placement morsel for Harley.

As for whtGuardian's idea, that's not too much different from how they explained Wraith in borigins - one of the things I thought worked about that movie. Fury's origins have to be handled with extreme caution though.

I think Teabag... I think that picture of "Vin", as you so affectionately refer to him, is going to make me vomit... yes the one with the tits...lol =P I bet you're jizzin' your pants over Union Jack huh. He'll be in it I'm sure.

YO JASON STATHAM FOR UNION JACK W00T!!! (just kidding lmao)


48and2 - 2/8/2010, 1:22 PM
MULTI- NICE JOB! I wish they could fit ALL that into the
movie, but then it would be a 4 hour movie!
That would be AWESOME in my eyes but I think
they'll stick to an 2 1/2 hour movie,
(if there smart they will) I don't want to see
the CAP movie only an hour 1/2 long!
ANYWAY what I really want to see is
10, 9, 8, 6, 4, 3, 1
SOME just being easter eggs, some being
cameos, but most of all I want them to
talk about VIBRANIUM in CAP'S shield!
and FURY has to be in it! of course Sharon
Carter has to be in it SHE is FURY'S
right hand..WOMAN!
peterparker420 - 2/8/2010, 1:28 PM
TEA- QUINTO for NAMOR!!..He could BULK up..LOOK
he already has the PERFECT hair!..LOL
peterparker420 - 2/8/2010, 1:31 PM
Henry Cavill as Namor
Sanfordpunk - 2/8/2010, 1:41 PM
Luke Goss as Namor (hey, I was the one who originally came up with the idea :) )



If they want a bigger name, I could possibly see Eric Bana.
InTylerWeTrust - 2/8/2010, 1:48 PM
I thought it would be cool if we see Bucky become Winter soldier at the way end of the movie.
Diamond1995 - 2/8/2010, 2:16 PM
Remember, the shield has already been introduced. Go back and watch Iron Man. You can see the Cap. Am shield on a table while RDJ is struggling with his robot-aids to
remove his Iron Man suit.
Your shield is gonna be in this movie.
FACT.

rawshark - 2/8/2010, 2:54 PM
multi@ awesome article man, would defo love to see at least 6 of those points you've made :)
ukboy28 - 2/8/2010, 3:09 PM
Thanks for all the great responses guys! Let me try and clear something up:

I think some of you aren't understanding my #1 choice. Of course the shield will be in the movie! Not once have I doubted that. I'm talking about Cap's patented ricochet throws. The ones cause the shield to bounce off of four people and return to him. The introduction of vibranium as the reason why Cap can pull off those stunts. Read my points up there again and I think you'll understand it better now.

@rawshark: That was a nice Easter egg, but it wasn't Cap's shield (in a matter of speaking). It was a shield that the US government asked Stark to make. Since they couldn't duplicate the original shield's creation, they asked Stark to build one utilizing electronics and magnetism.
FACT
Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 3:12 PM
The one of those that I want to see most is him punching Hitler.
JJMeylar - 2/8/2010, 4:05 PM
Sooo, did we already know that Chad Michael Murray and Jensen Ackles have been confirmed to have read for the part of Cap? I know Ryan McPartlin read for it but not the other two.
ecksmanfan - 2/8/2010, 4:11 PM
Great article Multi. This is even better tha the one you did for The Green Lantern.

BTW: Where did you hear that about the shield used in Iron Man? I've never heard that.
Hawksblueyes - 2/8/2010, 4:45 PM
@LEEE stick your hand up your butt !! lol
lc - 2/8/2010, 4:59 PM
@Hawks: It's canon from mainstream Marvel comics bud :)
Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 5:42 PM
Multi: Cool, I had never heard that.
Hawksblueyes - 2/8/2010, 5:53 PM
Thanks Multi! Awesome article! We are finally starting to get some good solid news about this movie and we all know that if it doesn't come close to what Iron-man was, then it could ruin the Avengers franchise. I also just wanted to add one small comment. You stated: "Besides Wolverine’s adamantium claws, no weapon in the Marvel universe is wielded with such mastery and skill as Captain America’s Shield." Did you forget about Mjolnir?
McLovin - 2/8/2010, 6:20 PM
Frick yeah!!!! I agree with em all @Poni!!!! :)
TheCritic17 - 2/8/2010, 6:29 PM
@Critic: Thanks!

@Hawks: Now. . you. . know

@McLovin: My reasoning is that Thor has lost Mjolnir in many a battle (dropped, taken away, etc.) so Cap trumps him on the weapon platform even though Mjolnir is more powerful in itself. Cap's like an artist when he uses his shield!
Pietro Filipponi - 2/8/2010, 6:44 PM
Seeing as how Cap Marvel is going NOWHERE, this fellow has some free time... My pic for Namor the Sub-Mariner

Nellb4Zod - 2/8/2010, 9:27 PM
100
Boekelaar - 2/8/2010, 11:57 PM
great aritcle but one thing in the movie nick fury is black so how the hell is there going to be a white nick fury if cap is suppose to meet a black nick fury in the future it wouldnt make sense at all if they do it like that.
flames809 - 2/9/2010, 8:25 PM
ITs just a comicbook image he used... it doesn't mean Fury has to be white...
TheCritic17 - 2/10/2010, 9:24 AM
I have a werid feeling if they bring that Sharon Carter girl into the film, then it will just be so that she can kill him (cap) in one of the Avengers sequels.
Diamond1995 - 2/19/2010, 5:03 PM
I have a werid feeling if they bring that Sharon Carter girl into the film, then it will just be so that she can kill him (cap) in one of the Avengers sequels.
Diamond1995 - 2/19/2010, 5:37 PM

Shaman - 3/1/2010, 8:31 AM

this guy needs to be a bad ass and make me believe it just in his eyes / voice and stance. He is a SUPER SOLDIER & a CAPTAIN not a little boy. at least after the SS serium. he needs to be a badass with the shield / martial arts and acrobatics too. and guess what in war "he kills people with that shield if need be " --- ;-) he is a freaking soldier.... make him get shot a few times blood and guts and still pissed off..dont put bucky in there either.

Seriously cut the dramatic bullshit in these movies. its not the hallmark / menopause channel . like wolverine being a caring pussy. they did him no good. bad directing. there should have been blood everywhere.. I must admit I liked the Punisher reboot cause at least it got the edge/no caring of FRANK CASTLE....

oh and the office dude...ah...no way glad he is gone. leave Jim in the office.
as far as Ryan P goes....lil girly for me. The Captain would make him his bucky.... ;-)

CapBatFan - 3/15/2010, 1:29 PM

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