Will the FANTASTIC FOUR Be Mutants Next Time Around?

We know that Fox owns the film rights for Fantastic Four and X-Men, but will the upcoming reboot seek to reboot the origin of Marvel's first family as well?

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By AquamanEatsSeafood - 8/31/2013
I am just going to say it now,the origin of the Fantastic Four is corny and outdated. Four dudes go into outer space, get blasted by some radiation, come back home with super powers and decide to become super heroes. Granted I am probably over simplifying this, but you have to admit that that is corny as fuck. The Incredible Hulk glossed over its own hero's origin by giving a vague intro, never explicitly saying it was radiation that created the hulk. The Amazing Spiderman also avoids the radiation and instead leaves Peter Parkers powers unexplained. They only kind of hint at it when Peter helps Conners with the bio-engineering deal. The only two comic book movies I can think of that say radiation causes super powers is DREDD and X-Men: First Class.

So What is the Deal with Radiation and Why is it Corny?


I don't know why Marvel Comics almost always used radiation to explain the occurrence of super powers, but if I had to guess, it would be this: heroes like spider-man, Hulk, The Fantastic Four all came out in the sixties, which was the at the time, coming off of the height of the Cold War. I am guessing that not a whole lot was known about radiation at the time, and so people looked at it as a possible plot device to explain pretty much any kind of freakish incident.

I said before that TASM and TIH avoided explaining their respective hero's radiation filled origins. Even the found footage 'Chronicle' avoided any clear explanation for where the main characters got their powers, and now the same guy is directing the FF reboot. Why do these characters avoid there origins? Well it could be that the concept of radiation induced super powers doesn't fit the tone of the film, or that they (rightfully) believe that the audience is too smart to buy into that. Today though we know better. I love the original Spider-Man movie, but I look at it the same way I look at Superman: The Movie: a corny but comic book accurate film (forgiving the green goblin costume and the organic web shooters).

So the question is, are we going to see an origin film that skips out on the radiation, and if so, and they are connected to the x-men universe, will they be mutants?

Well, we know that Mark Millar said that Fantastic Four would indeed share its universe with X-Men, so the opportunity is certainly there. From a real world perspective, NASA isn't sending people into space anymore, and if people are going into space it will be because they are hitching a ride with Russian astronauts or that a some outside commercial company is doing it. Hell, James Cameron has built a company which plans to harvest asteroids in the near future. So we know that space travel is still an option, and we know that the mutant gene is an option.

What do I think will happen?


Well, before TASM came out there was talk that Spiderman's origin would be almost completely redone. He would have been born with his powers but they wouldn't be unlocked until he was bit by the spider from the blue oscorp room. In 'The Incredible Hulk' they did something similar. The Hulk was always in Banner, but it was the machine that uncaged him. Do you see what I am getting at?

The Fantastic Four are going to fly into space and get radiation poisoning. Once they get home they discover each of them has their own unique powers and after some scientific research Mr. Fantastic deduces that they had their incredible abilities from the very beginning, that they are mutants, and the radiation just enhanced their powers so that they noticed them.



Josh Trank is hired as the current director of the Fantastic Four reboot, which is set to take place in the current X-Men universe, and the film is scheduled to be released March 6, 2015.
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Rhysno1 - 8/31/2013, 9:55 AM
There is no way they can get this film done by march 2015!
TheWolverine08 - 8/31/2013, 9:56 AM
The Fantastic Four are mutates.
GizmoEl - 8/31/2013, 9:57 AM
There's absolutely no evidence to support this "theory." Especially since TASM didn't go that route.
Calculon - 8/31/2013, 9:59 AM
I'd be ok with FF having dormant X-genes that are activated by radiation. I'm not going to see it to see them get their powers, I'm going to see them be the fvcking Fantastic Four!
MrCBM56 - 8/31/2013, 10:01 AM
Uh, your theory isn't really all that different. The only difference is that they already had thier powers before. The origin of the Fantastic four isnt corny, it's just that it's been done way too much.
airbeyonder18 - 8/31/2013, 10:07 AM
You bring some very valid points but I have to disagree. I LOVE that they got their powers through radiation in space.

That's just me.
CherryBomb - 8/31/2013, 10:10 AM
I don't think I'd mind if they went down the Hulk route, where they had their powers, but they were activated through radiation.

As long as we get some cool radiation/space crash scene then I don't care.

But DON'T make them just 100% mutants.
80sFace - 8/31/2013, 10:10 AM
I disagree too. They screwed up the origin in Story's uninspired take, but it can be done. Just need imagination. And the cosmic storm should be a very cool visual, something that MEANS something. Something organic maybe.
DioFoRio - 8/31/2013, 10:10 AM
Fantastic Four's origin works fine. It's not science ..it's uber science fiction. Escapism isn't broke...don't fix it.
DioFoRio - 8/31/2013, 10:11 AM
with the space race being privatized today their original origin works better now then it did back in the day.
Lizardking310 - 8/31/2013, 10:12 AM
They're origin works fine when done right..... Lets not Ultron them and completely change their origin!
NovaCorpsFan - 8/31/2013, 10:14 AM
Why is this on main? Its an unsubstantiated theory.
Greengo - 8/31/2013, 10:15 AM
So what is the deal with AquamanEatsSeafood and why is he corny?
MediaMan - 8/31/2013, 10:17 AM
If the Fantastic Four's origin is corny, then what is Superman's? His is infinitely worse, by that logic. All he has to do is walk around under a different star, and BAM! He has tons of (illogical) powers.

At least the FF got very close exposure to cosmic rays - in space, no less. Superman is 93 million miles away from the radiation on Earth's sun. That makes much, much less sense than the FF, Spidey or Hulk.
BANEofExistence - 8/31/2013, 10:19 AM
But like The Incredible Hulk, itcould open with flashback sequences and not necessarily show how they got there powers, kind of hint at it. There origin isn't like Batman where they need a complex story... They were normal, got powers and use those powers for good... Now give us a great film we need! March 6, 2015 and yet no casting or anything has been done? Kick it into turbo drive... If they are shooting for a2015 release, casting needs to be completed by December of 2013 and filming next year
Minato - 8/31/2013, 10:19 AM
I say no because the origin still works mainly because they are one of the originators of the marvel universe. Another reason I don’t want them to be mutants is because I want them to keep their upstanding public appearance. Mutants are hunted and persecuted no where near as liked as the FF. I want them to be explorers not fighters for equality.
Mrsinister - 8/31/2013, 10:21 AM
This article sucks. I'm sorry. Their origin isn't outdated. This actually more likely of happening than mutants happening. Also the cosmic side could help open the door to the shiar empire and the Star Jammers.
fullmoonfx - 8/31/2013, 10:22 AM
It isn't corny. It's just to familiar now, which makes it seem corny. Take a page from the Incredible Hulk and show it in the opening credits. Then focus on developing Dr. Doom right this time.
TheSuperguy - 8/31/2013, 10:23 AM
I think their origin is fine. And if they were mutants, they'd just be another X-Men spin off movie, and not their own thing.
Odin - 8/31/2013, 10:26 AM
I think that they shouldn't chance their origins. I'm glad there are something different with their origins, and it's also tying them together. Their origins also didn't seem that corny in 2005 movie. Also; why would the public give FF different, respected, status as superhero team instead of fearing and hating them like X-Men.

Newbus - 8/31/2013, 10:31 AM
I bet this is idea that's actually being considered by the studio...test it on the fans first.

It would be a remarkable coincidence that four people just happen to have a hidden mutation that gets triggered by a rare event at the same time.
Thegeekygurl - 8/31/2013, 10:34 AM
Actually that would be a better idea than cosmic ray exposure.

In the mid 60's humans going into space was very mysterious. And the FF origin grew from that and it's very outdated.

But the Mutant method is a bit easy and it lacks a shared origin that makes the FF seem like a family.

Best alternative I can think of: Have Reed, Sue, Ben, Johnny travel into another dimension where they are altered by an event in that dimension. Dimensional travel is far more interesting than simply going into orbit.

And with a FF tied to another dimension from the start, their extra-dimensional adversaries take on a new and more deep meaning.
Pheezmatic - 8/31/2013, 10:39 AM
Yea dont make em mutants please. I feel like if they did that it'd only be because they own rights to x-men as well and it would open up the aves to crossover and whatnot thus making it a gimmick. [frick]in Fox sucks!
cosmicman - 8/31/2013, 10:40 AM
not happening
Thegeekygurl - 8/31/2013, 10:41 AM
@AquamanEatsSeafood You have to remember that when FF was created going into space was a big deal. And when Stan wrote that Reed had created a rocket to get into space that made Reed out to be a super scientist. But that trick doesn't quite work now.
And we've had enough people in space to know that you don't just go into orbit and get hit with Cosmic Rays and become superhumans.

I think my suggestion about Reed being genius enough to create extra dimension travel and then the Four are altered in another dimension keeps the flavor of the original origin intact while it simply alters certain fields of play.
TheAmazingSpidey63 - 8/31/2013, 10:44 AM
To have the F4 be mutants whose powers are unlocked by a radiation storm wouldn't work for the type of characters they are. They wouldn't stand out as unique individuals and be who they are--which are these four people who are out in space and bombarded by a radiation storm and turned into these uniquely powered beings. Plus, to change them to being mutants would honestly seem like a spin-off of the X-Men and a cop-out, in my opinion. I get where you're coming from when you say that their origins are indeed corny from back in the early 60's, but you look at today's current runs on characters like the Avengers, Spider-Man, X-Men, Inhumans, etc. and how they can incorporate something new to their origins and their characters and make them.... "less corny", I guess you could say. You can still keep true to the F4's origins but modify it to it fitting today's time and society.
But hey, this was a great write-up, I could see where you're coming from with this (despite me having disagreements with it) and I give you a thumbs up for this.
KneelBeforeZod596 - 8/31/2013, 10:44 AM
What amazing Spiderman did you watch dumbass? They showed the damn spider bite and everything
ThePowerCosmic - 8/31/2013, 10:50 AM
You are obviously somebody who doesn't understand these characters and their story like the people who made the first few films.

There origin is classic and really not corny at all. The thing about FF is that the book is a Scifi story first of all, more than it is a superhero book. They defeat villains mostly by intelligence and technology. Thier powers just make them interesting. Their villains are always so much more powerful than them, but they are more clever.

These are characters that in habit a world with the Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Kree and skrulls. How is radiation and space energy giving them powers corny or stupid in a world like that. Until people understand that they will never get a FF film right. Embrace who they are, do not cover it up by making them mutants...horrible idea!

Just so you know, I am a collector and have issues 1-100 of the original series. I feel that kirby/lee run is the best comic run in history and is the cornerstone of the Marvel Universe.
Greengo - 8/31/2013, 10:53 AM
J/k.dayum dont be so.defensive someone thought it was good enough for main so you should be happy.
TheAmazingSpidey63 - 8/31/2013, 10:54 AM
"I feel that kirby/lee run is the best comic run in history and is the cornerstone of the Marvel Universe."

Couldn't agree more, dude. I'm more of an old-school Marvel comics/collector and I just find their run on the characters really entertaining and has a lot of nostalgia for me. I do appreciate the recent runs on the characters, but I just find myself reading more of the older runs.
ThePowerCosmic - 8/31/2013, 10:59 AM
To make a good FF film and have it be true to the characters you need:

1. It has to be a Scifi first
2. It has to have comedy, but good Whedon comedy not like the existing ff films.
3. Has to have awesome villains done right. FF had the best villains: Annihilus, Doom, Galactus, Blastaar, Skrulls, Ronan the Accuser....
4. Have them be smart more that fight...accept for Thing of course.
TheAmazingSpidey63 - 8/31/2013, 10:59 AM
@AquamanEatsSeafood - No probs, dude. And I THINK the reason why your editorial got on Main is 'cause of the contest that's going on throughout September:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/other_news/news/?a=86230

I don't know. I may be wrong. But yeah, man, great job, nonetheless.
ThePowerCosmic - 8/31/2013, 11:01 AM
Theamazingspidey63

You're speaking my language, I do the same thing. 60s and 70s are my favorite decades for comics. The stories were not as interwoven and were better written overall.
sephiroth211 - 8/31/2013, 11:05 AM
No, just leave their origin alone, but for the love of god do it right this time. Have Victor be scarred in college as is was supposed to be first off. Give us that relationship between Ben, Reed, and Victor which the other FF film neglected to do. Then have Sue and Johnny come around cause Reed needs funding. Shoot their asses into space and then sit back and watch history in the making.

If it isn't broken please don't try fixing it.
126thst - 8/31/2013, 11:13 AM
Nothing's wrong with FF's origin. They don't need to make them mutants to have them in the same universe as the X-Men. Plenty of original content there to make it quite interesting.
highflyer - 8/31/2013, 11:13 AM
@AquamanEatsSeafood , don't you mean 'Hulk' instead of 'Incredible Hulk'?
TheAmazingSpidey63 - 8/31/2013, 11:14 AM
@ThePowerCosmic - Haha, I get what you mean when you say that previous/today's runs are "interwoven"; titles that have spin-off titles then those spin-off title have spin-off titles and whatnot. Back then it was simple, y'know? You had one title for that specific run and maybe a few spin-off titles every now and then, but not as much as we get them now.
TheAmazingSpidey63 - 8/31/2013, 11:17 AM
@AquamanEatsSeafood - Ahh, gotcha, dude. And I know what you mean when it comes to buying comics. I haven't the luxury for buying every single issue out there, I buy as much as I can, get more info on the source material via thru the Web and so on.
HulkbusterNYC - 8/31/2013, 11:19 AM
No the FF aren't mutants, nor should they be portrayed as mutants. They have to be seperate from that. Maybe they could help bridge the gap between humans and mutants because now they suddenly have these super powers but are otherwise humans. I could see that. Maybe that's how they interact with the X-men, who knows. But no they can't be mutants.
BackwardGalaxy - 8/31/2013, 11:22 AM
I'm guessing some of the radiation business comes from the Cold War and fears with respect to nuclear weapons.
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