The Villain For Spider-Man 4 Is the Lizard..And the Lizard Only?

Too few villains isn't good either. Having to go through an origin story every single movie is going to get tiresome. They should be smarter about this and stagger the villains. Have one as a direct antagonist and set up the other for a later antagonist while making sure the secondary still seems relevant to the story.

Yeah he's had Dr. Kurt Connors in the last few Spiderman movies but unless you're one of us he is an extremely forgettable character. Raimi must have gotten distracted by the last Spiderman.

@Betty

I can definitely understand your point with how you explained it. Having two villains, one where the primary villain receives substantial and a well put together story, whereas incorporating the secondary villain as a sense of backing up with a story of his own that still meshes with the entire movie. That can work if he truly learned from the horrible incorporation of the three villains in part three. If the writers did learn from the tragedy and want to improve by this time perfecting multiple villains, then having two can work well.

As for The Lizard, the rumor has been swirling for so long, something tells me that Raimi may give the "fans" what they want. That's my opinion but then again, since everyone is expecting that particular character, he may pull a fast one and leave him out entirely.

i feel that raimi could really show spidey's conflict in this movie by having also having a secondary villain.
raimi has already set up the character of connors except for how he lost his arm. it would be great if after he becomes the lizard, jameson hires a hunter to take him down.
on one end is the lizard, a mr. hyde of sorts who wants to take out all mammals.
in the second corner is kraven, a man seeking the thrill of the hunt and the challenge of a true predator.
and then there is spider-man, who needs to stop the lizard but wants to help his friend/teacher.

spider-man 2 left us all gawking and i think raimi needs to amp up his game on this one.
but......
not in the way he did in spider-man 3.

I like the idea of Kraven and Lizard like Wadey said.

Kraven is hired to hunt the beast for sport; Spidey knows the Lizard is Connors and is trying to save him and reverse his condition while Kraven is trying to mount his head on a wall and Spidey is stuck between the two... good tension there.

And another thing:

Has anyone noticed that we only get sympathetic villains in the Spidey movies? Sandman; I can see that he's been a good guy in comics before. Osbourne; yeah maybe a little sympathy for the devil there, sure. But even Ock and Venom were made sympathetic. Ock? Really?

Lizard is like Sandman; he should be sympathetic so they will do this one right. I've wanted Lizard in there for a long time so I am happy about this, but in Spidey 5 can the bad guy have no redeeming qualities please? Just give us someone we love to hate.

@nerosay

It relates back to my theory about most Hollywood "action" films. In order for the formula to be projected for a wider audience, I genuinely feel the writers/director or simply the entire development team believe the character must appeal to the sentimental side of women mainly. They already know men will see the movie but in order for others to feel attracted to the film, it must possess a sympathetic ordeal in one way or another.

If I want romance, lifetime is readily available at home...I don't need to see it in everyone of my action films. It's a lame and tiring approach. It works at times but other times it's just the wrong direction.

What about T2? The villain in that movie had no redeeming qualities, and the film wound up making 500 mil

@nero

very true. These kid actors all seem to grow up into assholes. I miss Jonathan Brandis

@Whispers68 - I get what you're saying, I wasn't really going in that direction but you bring up a good point. Batman is arguably a perfect example of just shoving it in there solely for the demographic and hurting the flow of the overall story.
What I find insulting about this mask crap is L.S.Donner's attitude that if Toby is wearing the Spider-Man mask for more than a few minutes we'll forget it's Toby - we lose that equation some how. If he pulls on the mask and swings around and does battle at some point we'll all turn to one another and ask "Who the [frick] is wearing that mask?" so it has to be blown off or destroyed so we can all see Toby is wearing the mask. Which is bullshit. The assumption that we have A.D.D or that we pay to sit in theaters with our eyes closed is ridiculous. It's as if she thinks everyone is as [frick]ed in the head as she is. It's arrogant and ignorant on her part. If someone with balls said "Shut up you dumb bitch, you're clearly medicated - we don't need to discard the mask if Toby is constantly talking trash throughout the battle just like in the comics. Yeah the comics, y'know?, those things you're mildly aware of, ya [foo foo]." We would have unspoiled Spider-Man moments on screen. It's the same reason Eric Foreman kept poking his [frick]ing face through the Venom suit. I think it's during one of the audio commentaries on the first Spider-Man that she reveals her meddling as if it's a stroke of sheer genius.
I found the same "Donnerisms" in XO:Wolverine. He popped his claws nearly every 20 minutes as if without popping the claws we'll forget it's Wolverine. She's such a douche. They need to curb that kind of shit cause it takes away from the flow and feel of the moment in the film.
But bouncing back to jamming in the romance, if I was a woman, I'd be insulted with that too. It takes away from a woman's intelligence and forces a mind-set on them that they are incapable of showing interest in any movie that doesn't break out in a date at some point. Really, way to stick people in a box Hollywood.

We know its the LIZARD!!! ; D

And about [frick]ing time!!

Theres another one!!! ; D

This would be good news! I blame Batman Returns for inflicting the idea of two villains in one movie on us. That may work with some weaker villains who really can't carry a story by themselves, but is terrible with the better villains. The Lizard certainly is a strong enough character to build a really interesting story around that he could carry a film by himself. He's also another of my all-time favorite Spidey foes. I hope and pray that Raimi has learned from the numerous mistakes of the last film and will get this franchise back on track.

And WeaponX: your last post is absolute brilliance. I couldn't agree more, and couldn't have said it any better. Standing O!

oh man not only the lizard. have kraven too. use the lizard storyline from the spiderman 3 videogame. or have carnage using the ultimate storyline

Damn you @ LUFFY!!! ; D

LEE: What exactly do you have to do to be a TRUE Spider-Man fan? That is a really stupid thing to say especially from someone who isnt up to date with the comic books! I guess you're not a TRUE Captain America fan seeing as you havent even read Reborn!

WTF you on about @ JOSH @???? Ive BOUGHT it, i hav'nt read it yet becoz im behind on some of my titles, i like reading my comic book stories in order! I read alot more than just MARVEL you know, got more to read. Whats your point lol???

Anyways CARNAGE should never be in a SPIDEY movie!!!

He is for VENOM!!!

good! the first 2 only had one villain and they were fantastic. the third had 3 villains and sucked because you can't dedicate enough time to everyone.

plus raimi has been quoted as saying he wanted to get back to basics with this one, so maybe one villain is part of that thinking?

They should set the next villian up as we see how he came to be, somewhere in the middle of the movie, then we don't see him until the end when all things are wrapped up with the Lizard and everything is all happy, then we see the villian come out of the shadows at the very end. So in the middle he's born and we don't see him until the very end. That's the best way to incorporate the 2nd villian. That way you can start off with the next film without having to show him becoming that villian. That's a lot of time lost.

If this were true, i'd by dissapointed. I'm all up for a single villain but The Lizard alone, sucks balls. Kraven is the only thing that could have made The Lizard interesting on the big screen. Without Kraven, The Lizard will be yucky.

I'm fine with this, the 2 villian formula is getting a little stale.

I actually find that to be a little worrisome.

Sure the multiple villain theme has been done to death, but for characters like Spider-Man or Batman who have a crap load of villains, it's really the best way to get all their villains on screen without having to wait decades and decades.

Plus, I thought we had all come to terms with the idea that Kraven The Hunter would be a wonderful choice for a second villain and would compliment the story really well! They could even work Kraven's Last Hunt into the story! How amazing would that be?!?!

Thank God! I agree that Spiderman 3's problem was there was too much story and not enough glue. The Lizard should be the only villain, he is strong and fast and a match for Spidey. Add too many other villains and we start questioning how Spidey can survive. Big villains should always be a single nemesis like Green Goblin in the first and Doc Ock in the second. When they make a Spidey movie with Venom, he should be the only villain. Venom would be easy too, just use the same special effects for that black thing in the third film and follow the comics.

I don't think the Venom storyline is finished. The actual black organism could've survived the blast and found a new host, plus Carnage comes from Venom.

I think they should bring Venom back, with a new host, also have Lizard, and have the last few minutes with a cliff hanger leading into the next movie with Carnage.

If they do abroad storyline based arround Dr Conners, then we'll get to see his inner circle of friends (dr Michael Morbius, Dr Miles Warren(Jackal), Dr. Clifton Shallot(Vulture), We already know about Dr Octavius, and maybe he had a friendship with Dr Norman Osborn). All this should be revealed. Maybe have Conners get a phone call from Osborn telling him location of Doc Oc. But that could be cliffhanger ending. Maybe Osborn funds the recovery of Doc Oc. I'm not saying have all these villians in the movie but introduce their human characters. Just an introduction of a 'sinister' behind the scenes plot that leads into a 5 and a final Sinister 6 Movie. The 5th movie will introduce a 5th and 6th villians leading up to the 6th.

Betty- Great synopsis and it's true, origin concepts do get kinda lame but only to us comic fans who already know the origin of the villains. They could use different ways about discovering the villains origin but it must be included to an extent. In TDK, they did try to discover it but nothing could be found. Now if they start doing that for every villain, well it's gonna get old and stale as shit.

BETTY @ Good stuff!! ; )