Is IRON MAN 3's Mark 42 Suit Our First Look At Ultron?

2015 can't come quick enough, bringing with it Avengers: Age of Ultron. There's still a rather large elephant in the room though, Ultron's origin. Read on for my theory on how this new villain might come into being..

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By DEVLIN712 - 11/2/2013


Avengers: Age of Ultron. One of (if not the) biggest comic book movie, ever made, will soon be upon us. Right now we know little about Ultron and where he's going to come from, but it is widely believed that the blame will end up on Tony Stark.

If this is the case, how long have Marvel known? How long have they been dropping hints? What are these hints?

We've all seen the scrapped Avengers scene. Jarvis breaks rank and questions Stark, showing us for the first time that Jarvis is more than just Tony Stark's computerized Tea Maid. However, I believe there is only one place to look for Ultron. Think what you will of Iron-Man 3, it did a great job showing off the Iron Legion along with one of it's most notable members, Stark's Mark 42 suit.

Why?


There are numerous reasons to harp on and on about this all day. Instead, I chose what I believe to be the strongest arguments in the Mark 42's case. Here they are:

1)Stark/Pym

In both the comics and the animated series there has been one person Ultron refused to hate, Hank Pym, his creator. Should Stark create Ultron he would try and protect Stark at all times, something we saw the Mark 42 try to do. And these images do seem eerily similar...




2)Aggression

In Iron-Man 3 we see the Mark 42 look down on Pepper and even attack her in her sleep. In the comics Ultron has developed an infatuation towards Janet van Dyne, Wasp, causing him to hate and attack her on many occasions. Keeping in mind that these are both Stark and Pym's love interests, it appears too perfect to be a mere coincidence.




3) The Prodigal Son
Iron-Man 3 saw Stark call the Mark 42 his "Prodigal Son". The first time it is ever made absolutely, with-out a doubt clear that there is a relationship between Tony and his suits. The first time a connection can be seen, a father-son type of relationship...




So...


If I were to wrap this all up (tie it with a bow) I'd say take what you will from this editorial, at the end of the day it's nothing more than the speculations of a fan. We know AoU is on it's way, we know Marvel have proven that they are capable and have this universe in safe hands. I'm prepared to sit back, relax and accept whatever Disney/Marvel throws my way.

Grazie, Signore e Signori
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MrCBM56 - 11/2/2013, 7:07 PM
Um, the difference is that Mark 42 was controlled by Stark and Mark 42 has no physical form unless put together.
DEVLIN712 - 11/2/2013, 7:15 PM
MrCBM I agree, I'm not saying that the Mark 42 is Ultron but it's the first time we've saw characteristics and traits associated with Ultron
MrCBM56 - 11/2/2013, 7:21 PM
DEVLIN712

Yeah, possibly. And we have to remember that Mark 42 was a prototype...we have yet to see the finish model.
OrgasmicPotatoe - 11/2/2013, 7:24 PM
Not bad, I guess all we can do for now is wait...
DEVLIN712 - 11/2/2013, 7:24 PM
MrCBM It's a possibility that the finished model could be Ultron's basis
PsychoManiacJacky - 11/2/2013, 7:39 PM
That image of Pepper reminds me of something very familiar....



but somehow I think Ultron will be a cosmic robotic mechanism powered by an infinity gem. With the heavy focus Marvel is gearing towards now in mind. Ultron in my theory would be built by Thanos himself sent on Earth after Loki in the first film proved to be a failure. All the hints of Tony Stark building Ultron is possibly not true at all. Then with Ultron being defeated it would set up for Avengers 3 where Thanos finally decides to challenge them personally.
npamusic - 11/2/2013, 8:37 PM
@Psycho, I like that idea. BUT, as Fiege/Whedon (whoever) has said.... Ultron will stem from The Avengers themselves. It's all up in the air, but Fiege has also hinted at Ultron hating "stark" having free will/the human race having free will. Also the teaser points to Starks armor being crafted/mashed into Ultron's entity.

PsychoManiacJacky - 11/2/2013, 10:46 PM
Well who knows anyway all speculation. Not everything they say can be underlined as being solid, there are still other pieces to pick up. "Ultron" being stem from The Avengers could refer to the reason why Ultron has been created. Maybe it doesn't exactly stem to them directly from a first point but maybe in a second point. Regarding Stark and my theory, he is a man who wears a suit of armor who defends the stands of free will as you pointed out such as the human race. The free will element was even teased in the Thanos scene as spoken by The Other, "They are unruly and cannot be ruled". Maybe somehow there is a reason why Ultron goes directly to threaten him. As seen in The Avengers when Stark went up in the sky into the black hole to destroy the bomb that would have supposedly desolated Earth. Next theory as in the teaser, Thanos may have crafted the basis for Ultron opposing to Stark's own ability/mechanism making him a direct symbol. Another thing being is that Stark may also have a small role in GOTG. Also in the Thanos scene in The Avengers spoken by The Other, "To challenge them is to court death". Is Ultron possibly the first challenge?

I might just be crazy with this theory but like I said still some pieces to be together which we won't know until next year and if I'm wrong I'll probably laugh it off.
ruadh - 11/2/2013, 11:32 PM
The "Prodigal Son" part is the only one I felt is stretching. The rest, yeah, I can see it. but "prodigal son returns" is a major cliche, used frequently, and comes from one of the parables of Jesus. That's one thing I wouldn't read too much into.

Good thoughts though.
ToxicCap - 11/3/2013, 12:49 AM
If it was the Mk. 42 suit then it sould only take Tony to take him out. Doesnt seem plausible.
MightyZeus - 11/3/2013, 1:07 AM
Interesting speculation and great editorial on how Ultron can come to be. I believe that it could be plausible.
Fry - 11/3/2013, 1:10 AM
It could be a very nice way to link Ultron to Tony.

Cool theory DEVLIN712 !
ShogunNevets - 11/3/2013, 1:15 AM
I agree with all steps except 3.
Maxi91291 - 11/3/2013, 1:17 AM
Very nice , there were plenty of hints in phase 1 so its good to see this kind of article/editorial. Now I have a couple of things on my mind about Ultron but to be absolutely sure I need to rewatch IM3 so Ill get back to you gents in a couple of hours.

Until next time kids !
ShogunNevets - 11/3/2013, 1:19 AM
Step 2 has actually been on my mind lately it's the one out of the three I can see Ultron forming. But remember it's not Mark 42 itself, it's JARVIS. The deleted scene from The Avengers with him and Tony talking hinted at Ultron. So it's not the suit but the AI
Tetrahedron - 11/3/2013, 1:23 AM
Tony takes the info he got from the helicarrier and uses the hydra tech to create an Iron Man suit powered by the cosmic cube which corrupts JARVIS and creates Ultron.

But then theres also the fact that Loki used the mind gem in his septre, maybe this ends up giving JARVIS a MIND of his own?

Also, I think the red glowing energy inside Ultron's skull may be linked to an infinity gem, the glow is red but Sif and Volstagg have already given the RED power gem to the Collector, so I dunno.
npamusic - 11/3/2013, 1:33 AM
@Psycho your grammar/spelling is atrocious! Please, learn to create complete and coherent sentences. I just don't think your points of interest work as a whole. Nothing clicks, nothing adds up. We'll have to wait and see until the film comes out. Nothing stands out at me and screams "yeah! I CAN SEE THAT happening!" and all of these people who think your theories may be "spot on" are idiots.

We'll see though, we'll see.
npamusic - 11/3/2013, 1:36 AM
Ultron's origin, as well as some of his powers and abilities will be stripped for this film. The origin of Ultron will be completely re-written for the film. As Fiege and Whedon have stated many times, that Hank Pym will not be involved in any capacity.

Unless someone can come up with a cohesive theory, I'll be waiting on the side-lines til that one comes about.

@NovaCorpsFan, where you at?!
npamusic - 11/3/2013, 1:37 AM
also, please go back, and edit this editorial with the ending brackets (no spaces) so that all of the comments are italics. Thanks
npamusic - 11/3/2013, 1:38 AM
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California - 11/3/2013, 1:57 AM
I always wondered why more people didn't talk about the scene where the suit attacks Pepper while she & Tony are sleeping as a first look at Ultron.
Jodez99 - 11/3/2013, 2:29 AM
"In both the comics and the animated series there has been one person Ultron refused to hate, Hank Pym, his creator."

Uh no especially in the comics anyways but Hank Pym is the person Ultron hates the most. He has an oedipus complex, heck you even posted a picture with him directly saying he hates Pym.
ahhmynuts - 11/3/2013, 2:50 AM
ehh. i get what youre saying but those arent really good examples. that scene where 42 attacks pepper was to show how traumatized stark was by the events in new york. it was just him fighting his nightmares. not jarvis attacking pepper. but again i get what your saying. just not the right examples.

i think ultron will be based off of stark designs of jarvis with hints of the destroyer and made by shield. i believe shield creates ultron because they know they cant control the avengers and never seemed like the biggest fans of them from the get go. they make their own guy, but it ultimately fails, losing the trust of the avengers in the process.
MsDarkPhoenix - 11/3/2013, 3:03 AM
Oedipus complex! Exactly! Oedipus in Greek mythology was the king of Thebes who killed his father Laius and married his mother Jocasta. That's why the AI Ultron creates and looks like Wasp is called Jocasta.

I always supported the 'Iron Man creates Ultron' theory but I'm not sure Whedon will go that way. It's too obvious and Marvel will probably want surprise us. We'll see, 2015 is getting closer...
diagnostic - 11/3/2013, 3:10 AM
Ultron will be a cloud.
DEVLIN712 - 11/3/2013, 3:25 AM
NPa I would but when the article got pushed to the main I lost the ability to edit the article, sorry about that
OdinsMissingEye - 11/3/2013, 3:57 AM
Ultron will be created by the government, (those same guys that launched the nuke in Avengers 1) built using tech from Iron Patriot it will gain awareness and the Avengers will take it down, uncomplicated simple and interesting enough plot thats easy to follow.
Maxi91291 - 11/3/2013, 5:23 AM
So, Im rewatching IM3 (forgot how much I like the movie :))and here are a couple of thoughts. Im a really big fan of the JARVIS/Destroyer theory and Ill be using Avengers and IM3 to make my points. Maybe also Thor, just for Destroyer references.

Where to start ? Have you ever thought about how much JARVIS can do ? What are his limits ?
Based on the MCU movies which featured JARVIS I assume that he is capable of creative thinking e.g. "Shall I call miss Potts, Sir ?" He recognizes the situation but of course this could be due to Cap saying "You know thats a one way trip". Im sure some of you will help me here.
He also figures out a way to save Tony from underneath the rubble underwater during the attack on Starks house all by himself. He also takes Tony to Rose Hill despite him not aking to do it saying he prepared a flight-plan and he cant answer when Tony asks him "Why? WHo asked you?" He then says he may be malfunctioning. JARVIS also doesnt put the house under lockdown when he is supposed to. "Why are we still on ding-dong ? Were supposed to be under lockdown JARVIS, I gave my adress to a terrorrist !" To this JARVIS replies "Theres only so much i can do when you give your adress to the world press" So JARVIS can control a whole battle, 50 suits at once, but cant do this ?
(Now I know some of you will say that many of these things are plot inconsistencies but I think they may be intentional hints since there are whole teams of people working on these movies.)
These are just some of the examples which led me to the conclusion that JARVIS CAN LIE. Yes, he can think creatively so he can lie.
Think about it, he doesnt warn Tony about the incoming missle, he puts his creeator in life-threatening situation and then he also saves him. When Tony asks "Where is my flight power?" JARVIS replies with "Working on it ,Sir." He restores them only when the attack is over and he saves Tony. He seems to be either very confused OR he is testing IMs limits, sometimes deliberately sabotaging him to see how he will handle the situation. He also cant be trying to kill Tony so obviously so he must save him sometimes.
Also, during the attack on Starks house, there is a scene where some of his suits are exploding. At first, we are supposed to think it is from the attack but Tonys suit are capable of whitstanding that and if you look closely their explosion seems to be undependent from the big booms from the missles. It is also the first scene of the movie and of phase 2.

Also @ahh made a good point but Tony then says " I MUSTVE activated him in my sleep". He is not sure oo it couldve been JARVIS but were just not sure at this point. Also JARVIS couldve stopped the suit from going to Tonys room but he didnt.

JARVIS also doesnt inform Pepper that Tony is alive. When you keep in mind that JARVIS is testing/sabotaging/studying Tony watching IM3 is a whole different experience :)

Also During the events of The Avengers JARVIS gained access to SHIELD database (viac Tonys little button-thingy) and at this point they were in possesion of the Destroyere armor.

Now Im half-way through IM3 at this point so I will get back to you guys and maybe add something or debunk something.
Super12 - 11/3/2013, 5:24 AM
I've been thinking the exact same thing since we heard Stark would be the creator of Ultron. Good eye
EpitomeofAwesome - 11/3/2013, 6:03 AM
Could very well be. Awesome editorial, man
CharlesLord - 11/3/2013, 6:04 AM
Good theories but you have to remember

2: Tony called the suit in his sleep (he was having a nightmare about NY) and

3: Actually in the beginning of the film when after he injects the nodes into his arm, he tells the rest of his suits "welcome the arrival of your awesome baby brother" so a relationship was established then
SonofBatman - 11/3/2013, 6:08 AM
every article on this website there are grammar or spelling errors. did these guys drop out of high school or something?
Maxi91291 - 11/3/2013, 6:11 AM
@Son

What you wrote is so ironic
buckjoe - 11/3/2013, 7:13 AM
Good theory. That's one way of having ironman come back for avenger2.
Jer3miah - 11/3/2013, 7:14 AM
I pondered this exact thing a few months back. To me, this is probably the better of the speculations because it just makes more sense this way.
JayJayCAW - 11/3/2013, 7:35 AM
If mark 42 is Ultron it's gonna be a really fast movie, just take that sonofabitch out with a MAC truck lol
Afro - 11/3/2013, 7:51 AM
Maxi91291 also remember that Coulsin (SHIELD) always seemed to have the ability to override JARVIS and enter Stark buildings i.e. IM-1 when Jarvis is shut down by Shield so Fury can tell Stark about the Avergers program. IM-2 When they lock him down in his own house, and IM-3 when Coulsin just takes the elevator up to Starks personal floor. Stark security system that Jarvis overlooks seemed to always be taken over by SHIELD. Remeber everyone that Life Model Decoys may and probably show up in Cap movie which will have a tie in with Tony's suit and James Spader who is Ultron. This is just an idea , but Spader might be the first life model Decoy. I hope Hank Pyme name is mentioned in some sort of way when it comes to the tech of Life Model Decoys.
TheDemonsHead - 11/3/2013, 8:11 AM
I wish Iron Man 3 wasn't involved in the MCU :-(
Enphlieuwince - 11/3/2013, 8:18 AM
@Maxi, very cool theory.

@Afro, I hope Pym gets ties into the creation of Ultron in some capacity too, if not only to shut the Marvel Studio haters the hell up.
Afro - 11/3/2013, 8:27 AM
@Enphlieuwince AGREEED. They are willing to change look when the fans complained about the Mandarin and now they made a Marvel One Shot that maybe attached to the TTDW Blueray. Who knows!
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