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Venom Movie is Moving Forward

The film's screenwriter says that the studio has the script and is "pushing forward" with the movie.
"We've written two drafts of Venom, and the studio has it, and they're pushing forward in whatever ways they push forward," said Venom co-writer Paul Wernick in an interview with SciFi Wire.

Alongside Rhett Reese, Wernick co-wrote both "Venom" and the upcoming Zombieland.

When asked if Spider-Man would play a part in the spin-off, the writer remained mysteriously tight-lipped, "We can't really talk about that, unfortunately," Wernick said. "Basically, the studio and Marvel and the Arads are taking our drafts and going beyond and figuring out what's the next step."

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130 Comments

FFFFFFFFFFFFF I'M EXCITED! THIS IS THEIR CHANCE TO DO IT RIGHT!

I recently screened Zombieland and it was pretty awesome. Very well written. It's like an American Shaun of the Dead in a way. I'm glad these guys are doing Venom. Hope they do it justice and that Todd McFarlane is still involved.

I think that they should recast it, though. I like Topher Grace, but he's no Eddie Brock.

Dominc Purcell as Venom and Robert Knepper as Carnage '

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(thanks to Josh for thinking these, because they're just too perfect)
MovieTheaterLad - 9/25/2009, 3:02 PM
I'm still unsure about this idea, especially after they raped the character in Spiderman 3. Maybe this is where Carnage can come out and play. Also, how do you do a Venom story and not include Spidey...and still get people to go see it.
ecksmanfan - 9/25/2009, 3:03 PM
T-Bag and Lincoln! Sweeet
Imran - 9/25/2009, 3:04 PM
MovieTheaterLad: Thanks a lot for naming me like that man! Im glad you like my picks! :)
joshw24 - 9/25/2009, 3:09 PM
Yep, Purcell for Brock and Knepper for Carnage!
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/25/2009, 3:15 PM
Purcell and Knepper had great chemistry in Prison Break in the few scenes they had together! I'd love to see them face off in the Venom movie - i honestly cant think of two actors who would work better as these two characters!!!
joshw24 - 9/25/2009, 3:22 PM
I don't like this at all. They need to keep Venom and Carnage involved only with the Spiderman movies.

...otherwise, they are going to mess around and more than likely (I guarantee this) will RUIN these characters.
Macksimus - 9/25/2009, 3:23 PM
Cool news!

Just been in the other VENOM article lol.

Yes to KNEPPER & PURCELL!!! ; )
LEEE777 - 9/25/2009, 3:38 PM
No to even a SPIDEY cameo!!!

We want this DARK!!!
LEEE777 - 9/25/2009, 3:39 PM
That purcell guy? really?

the guy was fcuking dracula in Blade 3? He can't act worth a sh!t.

And a Spidey cameo would HAVE to be there. Like it or not Venom is tied to that Spiderverse forever.

Purcell? rEALLY?

i CAN'T EVEN BE BOTHERED TO GO OFF CAPS LOCK CAUSE I'M SO STAGGERED BY THAT CHOICE.

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.
Keven - 9/25/2009, 3:48 PM
@LEEE

OK? Why not have a dark Spider-man movie with Venom and Carnage? Aren't you tired of the same old Spider-man movie formula about Peter juggling his personal life with being Spiderman? I'm sick and tired of that. A darker Spiderman would spark more interest IMO, and it wouldn't even have to be R-rated. Besides, Raimi knows horror; I think he would be ideal at making that movie work.
Macksimus - 9/25/2009, 4:00 PM
Dominc Purcell ROLE IN BLADE 3 WAS A BAG OF SHIT HE WAS ONE OF THE THING I HATED MOST IN MY BELOVED BLADE
Swiftsword777 - 9/25/2009, 4:30 PM
This movie is gonna be so lame. I'm not paying to see Eric Foreman play venom.......again. Plus, a venom movie with no spidey? Who the hell would he fight? It's like having a Lex Luthor movie. What's the point?!
supermarioworldE - 9/25/2009, 4:58 PM
Casting the two guys from Prison Break would make this a gimmicky film. I don't think making the film in general is a good idea. If spiderman isn't getting the reboot treatment then they need to keep on screen continuity, even if they vere from the source material. I realise that may upset a few people! haha.

Don't make a dark spiderman film. Not every comicbook movie has to be dark. I love the new batman films as much as the next guy but spiderman is a different kind of hero.
samd577 - 9/25/2009, 4:58 PM
yer i wudnt mind that dude as cassidy but that other guy cant act i really dnt like him at all but i want this really really dark i take it this is a nother fox film oh its guna suck
but i do think spidy will have to be in it unless they set it some where els I.E not new york
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 5:28 PM
It's just wierd to all of a sudden have a Venom spin off. I could see Kraven the Hunter with his own spin off before Venom
StrangemannX09 - 9/25/2009, 5:35 PM
i do like the idea of a villian film maby nt venom but sum 1 like (at this point id love to say the joker but i wont) iv now gone blank on villians all i can think of is joker but venom only wants 1 thing an thats to destroy spiderman so its guna be very very hard not to have him in the film
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 5:36 PM
@ strange man yes sum 1 like that sum 1 with a story out side spiderman sum 1 with depth
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 5:38 PM
I dont like the choice for Brock, I always said to myself that Jensen Ackles would makes an AWESOME Eddie Brock
Retribution13 - 9/25/2009, 5:43 PM
@ Roscoe Hell yeeeaaahh..
StrangemannX09 - 9/25/2009, 5:47 PM
Alright guys I'm signing off for an hour. Gotta prepare Smallville's on.
StrangemannX09 - 9/25/2009, 5:49 PM
YYYEEEESSSSSSS!!! They need to make up for spidey 3, big bag o' shite that it was. How about Gerad Butler? He does a pretty good american accent.
antz1104 - 9/25/2009, 5:50 PM
ok ok stop showin off that you guys can watch smallville to nite us english ppl av to wait till tmoro b4 its up for download i hate u guys!!
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 5:51 PM
@ Antz, Gerard Butler should definitely play someone, but I'm not sure if Eddie would be the right choice. Maybe Kraven or Ares. He is best when he's all hairy and manly.
MovieTheaterLad - 9/25/2009, 5:52 PM
no im jokeing i love all of u really
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 5:52 PM
DO NOT....DO NOT USE TOPHER GRACE..THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT OPT TO SHOWCASE NOT ONLY VENOM THE RIGHT WAY BUT BRING IN VENOM'S BABY...CARNAGE..VENOM VS CARNAGE WOULD BE COOL. VENOM CAN STAY EVIL BUT THE LESSER EVIL THAN CARNAGE..SO IN A WAY, HE'S STILL BAD, BUT THE STAR OF THE MOVIE
GUNSMITH - 9/25/2009, 5:58 PM
i would like to see a movie all about him
flames809 - 9/25/2009, 5:59 PM
...someone call topher grace again. it'll be real hit.
InFamouslyCool - 9/25/2009, 6:05 PM
Roscoe182: i live in the UK as well and do the exact same thing when watching US TV shows! I just watched a new episode of Supernatural that probably wont be on here for months!
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Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 6:17 PM
What a terrible idea, Venom will never be able to hold his own movie unless he fought Carnage and was rated R. We all know that ain't gonna happen.
ASSASSIN666 - 9/25/2009, 6:28 PM
indeed assassin
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 6:30 PM
Retribution13 @ Keep that to yourself lol! ; D

GUYS @ A VENOM movie would be AWESOME!! An HELL NO to SPIDEY in it,he's got SPIDEY 4, if they put CARNAGE in it, that's the villain, some of you clearly have not read a VENOM comic, he's a ANTI-HERO slash HERO depending on his mood lol, He's no DR DOOM or LEX LUTHOR! VENOM needs to be dark, and then CARNAGE should get a spin off out of this spin off and it'll be so far away from SPIDER-MAN by then that SONY can make a R-RATED CARNAGE movie, an CARNAGE could hold his own easy with the likes of FREDDY, JASON, MYERS etc, on the big screen!

A horror movie like CARNAGE has never been done before!

; )
LEEE777 - 9/25/2009, 6:55 PM
I can see a Venom movie working, but not Carnage. I think that is just a bad idea. Venom has had his own series, while Carnage has not.

I agree that Spidey shouldn't be in it. There's just no need for him.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/25/2009, 7:01 PM
Roscoe182: yeah, i think that fake - damn pity though! still, i guess thats one less chacracter Smallville can [frick] up after what they did with Doomsday!

And yeah, i dont think id want to see a Carnage horror movie - just the chacracter in Venom would be enough. A Spidey cameo wouldnt hurt but maybe just something like Venom watching him from a distance swinging through the city rather than a full on film stealing part!
joshw24 - 9/25/2009, 7:01 PM
if they would have done venom right in the first place they wouldn't have to try and make up for it with his own movie. bottom line is Venom should have been introduced in spidey 3 and became the main villain in 4 just like Raimi wanted to do, but oh no not when the Arads are involved.
Osiris - 9/25/2009, 7:12 PM
@josh the thing is its a bloody awesome fake
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 7:34 PM
Me, personally I hope that this move rots in development hell. For many reasons.

1. They should somehow have Venom return in Spidey 4 or Spidey 5
2. This movie will make less money in the Box Office than Punisher: Warzone did.
3. Carnage should be in a Spidey movie.
4. What is a Venom movie without Spider-Man? A crappy movie.


Mark my words, if Spidey 4 has a BORING Kraven hunting the Lizard storyline, then that will be the FINAL nail in the coffin for the Spider-Man franchise. Kraven is too boring.
SpideyFan1982 - 9/25/2009, 7:42 PM
Kraven's boring? A deadly hunter who carries a wide variety of weapons, ranging from guns, to poison darts, who is an expert tracker, and has amazing physical prowess is boring?

Okay....
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/25/2009, 7:52 PM
:D
Fartman - 9/25/2009, 7:59 PM
This movie is going to be a mistake,Venom is a cool villain but every time Marvel gives him his own series it doesn't work well.
Hawksblueyes - 9/25/2009, 8:07 PM
i think wentworth miller would be a good venom
batcavepwnsphonebooth - 9/25/2009, 8:08 PM
so was it just me who liked punisher warzone then .. so come on ppl what was smallville like an does any 1 no where i can watch it online or even download it
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 8:20 PM
Samllville was sorta sporatic.I believe you can watch on the Smallville website.
Hawksblueyes - 9/25/2009, 8:24 PM
thanks dude.. ahh it wont let me watch it , it basicly says you cant watch this u gay lol dammit i need 2 watch it
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 8:27 PM
Who the frick in their right mind casted a skinny Red Foreman as a hulking Eddie Brock??? Thats like making Joe Pesci play Superman!!!!! I kinow that sometimes the movies dont go with the comics, but C'MON!!! I got it, lets cast Miley Cyrus as MJ and Matt Damon as Kraven.
KillerOfSaints - 9/25/2009, 8:51 PM
@ killer hahahaha it truly was the worst casting of allllll time lol i bet Miley Cyrus would probly do a better job at MJ than the BLOKE who is playin her now


on the smallville note finaly found a download whooooop cant wait it had best hurry up
Roscoe182 - 9/25/2009, 8:55 PM
i bet venom needs a origin movie
flames809 - 9/25/2009, 9:20 PM
@killer:
hahahaha omg so true.

I didn't want Topher to play Eddie/Venom but he wasn't that bad. I think Purcell looks just like eddie though, just give him some more hair and lose the facial hair
dbzfan - 9/25/2009, 10:02 PM
No to Villian movies , remember Catwoman?
they'll screw the character up anyway besides they killed venom in spidey 3 or did they????????????
georgia49th - 9/26/2009, 12:18 AM
Spideyfan1982@


I completely agree with everything you said. I don't think Kraven or Lizard can carry a movie, and yes, Kraven is absolutely one of the most boring Spidey villains ever.

Venom getting his own spin-off makes no sense, because you know the studios are going to try and make him out to be some kind of hero, when in fact, he is an anti-hero. They're going to **** him up (trust me). I doubt they will ruin Carnage, only because he is nowhere near as dynamic as Venom. He's just a evil SOB wearing an alien as a suit going around killing people; simple as that.

The fact is, these characters need Spider-man, just like the Joker needs Batman, and Lex Luthor needs Superman.
Macksimus - 9/26/2009, 12:51 AM
Sorry, bad venom choice with Purcell. What can be done with venom is you can change the tone of the movie. Make it more dark. Have him throw down with spidey a bit in the beginning. roof top fights and such. some flash back action. but ultimately it would be an organization after the symbiote. The one that creates that spawns the 5 symbiote team? (lasher, phage, riot, agony and scream) SO the movie can be venom being chased around by the organization thats after the symbiote. Doesn't have to involve spider man at all really, but some kind of narration and thing in the beginning to tie it back into the spiderverse would be nice.

Bam. Done. I'd dig it. Not saying have the symbiotes, but could be cool.
CyborgNinja - 9/26/2009, 1:55 AM
OOOOOO,Robert Knepper as Carnage, good pick. And Dominc Purcell has the built and look but i dont know if he could pull it off, I would have to see an audition, lol.

Im with Macksimus, I dont want to see Venom played out to be some hero. Yes he has been on the edge allot, so some could call him an anti-hero but that was later on in the game. Venom was meant to be a Villian and thats how he should stay. This isnt Anit-Venom (if you have read that comic), this is WE ARE VENOM! Only team up with spiderman cuz he or should I say they, kill their off spring.

Bottom-line, I dont want to see Venom as a Hero like they will play him out to be, and ruin the image of Venom.

CyborgNinja- this would work better I think.

Rated R movie Opens up with Eddie Brock narrating braking down a bit of his history. Voice slowly changes into Venom Voice. Movies about a serial killer (aka Venom) Killing a bunch of people. Someones trying to figure out who's committing these murders (aka s.h.i.e.l.d). Random murders or linked together murders in some untold way. A copy cat killer comes into play (aka Carnage), Venom doesn't like that one bit. fights through-out NY between the two and s.h.i.e.l.d. Symbiote company could play a pulling the strings role, trying to capture the two. Spider-Man shows up to brake up the fight in the last 30min. ENDING WITH All 3 FIGHTING IT OUT IN ONE CRAZY NY BATTLE ROYAL!

NOW! I would go see that shit! But we know thats not going to happen. lol
CrashTest - 9/26/2009, 1:56 AM
To all of you who think you cant have Venom without spider-man ill remind you that Venom has had many of his own comics without a mention of spider-man. And for any of you who might have any interest in Australian football (AFL) Geelong Cats just one the Grand Final against St Kilda Saints. And because the time difference make me laugh the time and date here is 6:17 26-09-09
Ghola - 9/26/2009, 2:19 AM
I must admit im not a big Venom fan so im slightly dubious for this movie :)
teabag - 9/26/2009, 4:28 AM
I'm excited, and I agree, NO to a Spidey cameo...

keeping this all about Venom.
Phoenix517 - 9/26/2009, 5:09 AM
Venom can't hold his movie

this venture doesn't make any sense, Venom is superhero villain, not a headlining character.
SoulAllFlush - 9/26/2009, 5:16 AM
Impressive, Most Impressive.
Skyh00k - 9/26/2009, 6:59 AM
VENOM can hold his own movie!!!

And this'll be a Awesome movie!!

CARNAGE is a MUST!

P.S. VENOM is more than a supervillain, read the VENOM cmics ffs!

; D
LEEE777 - 9/26/2009, 7:16 AM
@ LEE

exactlty! venom can hold his own movie, for sure. he had a comic series back in his hay day called Venom: Lethal Protector. in the comics, eddie brock didn't kill innocent people, only criminals, so he was basically a hero in a way. i just don't like the idea of a pg-13 movie with venom and carnage. it should rated R. they COULD pull it off with just venom, but carnage is a psychopathic killer. they can't do him justice in a pg-13 movie.
CorndogBurglar - 9/26/2009, 7:23 AM
Dominic Purcell for Venom!
Robert Knepper for Carnage!(i thought of this one years ago) :)
NightAvenger4 - 9/26/2009, 8:10 AM
Awesome, I can't wait for this! Though I don't think it can be called venom, there was already a movie titled that a few years ago... O_o
Evil1991 - 9/26/2009, 8:34 AM
As someone who has virtually every Venom comic (and that is ONLY Eddie Brock Venom) and who has been following him religiously since he first debuted, I feel that I am qualified to have an opinion on this topic.

First off, Venom WOULD work as it's own movie if done right-- assuming that it's not linked to the Spider-Man 3 storyline-- and here's why: I've noticed people using the "Venom isn't a hero, he's an anti-hero" argument. Guess what guys, so are Blade and The Punisher. And Deadpool isn't exactly Captain America, either. So yes, IF this is done right with an R rating then it can be made to work.

Next, Spider-Man does NOT need to be in this movie. Yes, the 2 are forever linked to each other and if it were up to me then we wouldn't even be having this discussion to begin with because Venom would have been done correctly in Spider-Man 3 so a spinoff would have been much easier to do. That being said, Venom has had more than enough storylines at this point so that he is no longer dependant on Spider-Man to be a success.

The fact is that people see movies all the time that are original ideas with ZERO source material. The trick to getting people to see these movies regardless of where the concept came from is to MAKE A GOOD MOVIE. Now there is no point in doing a Venom movie if it isn't going to stay true to the character. It's not like he's such a huge name (like a Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, etc.) that using his name alone will guarantee a massive income at the box offices. So HOPEFULLY the writers will use the formula that has already been created for them-- and there's a good chance that they're excited to do so-- and make an awesome movie with what has already been provided to them. With the exception of Spider-Man 3, the Spider-Man franchise was done very well and with a true feel to the comics with only a few inaccuracies that made sense and were acceptable. That being said, hopefully that will carry over to this film as well.

So as a long-time diehard Venom fan, I do think that this can work IF the writers stay true to Venom's character as it is in the ORIGINAL (not Ultimate) Marvel Universe, with a few tweeks that are acceptable (similar to things like Peter Parker being able to shoot webbing as opposed to being a teenager who invents webbing and webslingers). The fact is that ANY story can be made to be a success. It just depends on the writing, casting, acting, directing, etc. You don't need a story or character that is already famous.
MetalHead - 9/26/2009, 8:43 AM
I don't know. What if they do a Venom movie but they do it from the point of view of some cops that.....are........trying ...........to.......... solve, oh never mind. :P
weapon925 - 9/26/2009, 9:14 AM
Nobody outside of us comic book nerds would see a Venom movie. To quote every Star Wars character, "I have a bad feeling about this..." A movie with a villian as the main character? Not even an anti-hero? Venom without Spider-man? This will fail miserably.
MatchesMalone - 9/26/2009, 9:36 AM
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GUNSMITH - 9/26/2009, 9:39 AM
I think for it to work venom has to be the good guy
thunderforce - 9/26/2009, 10:15 AM
@ MatchesMalone

Here's the flaw with your argument: there were TONS of people who saw the Blade movies having no idea whatsoever that he was a comic book character. And what about "Road to Perdition" and "A History Of Violence"? I bet you there are tons of people who have seen those movies and still have no idea that they were based on graphic novels.

So the point here is that regardless of where the character(s) and story came from, if the movie is good, people will see it. You see, there's this little concept called marketing. IF they make a good movie (or a bad one for that matter), they can then market it correctly so that it will make millions.
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joshw24 - 9/26/2009, 10:27 AM
JOSH @ Lol!

Corndog @ Yeah ya right, VENOM isn't just a comic book villain, he's much more, an hey i'll take a PG-13 but would rather an R deff!!!

This is why after this, they should spin CARNAGE off into a twisted R-Horror!!! It'll be so far away from SPIDEY, by then, SONY could pull it off!

Imaginr KNEPPER having a horror franchise up there with FREDDY, JASON, MYERS etc, infact CARNAGE could even be better than them, its never been done before, an should be!! Haniball Lector with super powers, what's not to love!!! ; D



LEEE777 - 9/26/2009, 11:21 AM
BBBBBBBBBBOOOOOO! spider-man IS A MUST! you cant have a 1st Venom film and not have his arch-enemy!

Like I said " Spider-man only in the last 30min for the finale battle. You guys are going to tell me that you wouldnt want to see that??? NO Parker, just Spider-man interfering in the way that only he dose, which pisses Venom off everytime.

And I stand corrected Venom didnt kill random people. Only criminals.

So you have S.H.I.E.L.D investigating criminal murders. Carnage comes into play, S.H.I.E.L.D thinks its Venom kill innocents, plus criminals. Venom's After Carnage to clear name/kill offspring.
SPIDER-MAN IN LAST 30MIN FOR FIGHT! IS A MUST.
And I do agree that Venom has always been a sub-character, yes he had a comic but so did the Vulture but it dosent mean that he can hold his own movie. I do think that he is a popular character so people would go see this film. but I dont think it will be the Venom that we all would like to see.

It will pretty much be a movie like Spider-Man, when Spidie had the symbiote, if its not R rated. Anti-Villain struggles to remain himself agenst an alien, while fighting crime. BBBBBBBBBOoooooo! And that people is why Eddie Bock no long has the symbiote and the scorpion dose, it rejected him and left him with cancer.
CrashTest - 9/26/2009, 11:22 AM
If it works il eat my symbiote condom :P
teabag - 9/26/2009, 11:35 AM
LEE: lol, now you mention the idea of Knepper having his own horror franchise, i could get on board with that idea! :)
joshw24 - 9/26/2009, 12:10 PM
I think they should do it as a spiderman maximum carnage story board.
blowexican - 9/26/2009, 12:15 PM
HAS to have Spider-Man, but they don't need Tobey; they can just have some other dude in the suit and never show Peter Parker.
Bijous - 9/26/2009, 12:34 PM
You right Metalhead, VENOM movie work good, the people in general respond to good history, not the character, exempl, SUPERMAN RETURNS failed, millions know the character but a bad and boring story destroy the movie.
WOLVERINE, off the comic comunity, nobody know the character, but a history more or less good, people in general go to the theaters and the movie was a sold millions of tickets.
YES A VENOM MOVIE, LIKE LOBO.
OSCURO - 9/26/2009, 12:39 PM
Just what i said Bijous up top, we are on the same page. You dont need Tobey, just some cut up guy in a suite for the last 30min. Just have Tobey do voice over,but write him some good witty,smart-ass jokes, good spider-man lines, taunting Venom and Carnage in the fight.
CrashTest - 9/26/2009, 12:49 PM
I'm willing to bet that all of you who are saying that it "has to have Spider-Man" are not as knowledgable of Venom as you are implying. True, Venom is tied to Spider-Man and always will be. BUT if you know anything about him, you also know that he had tons of storylines without Spider-Man. Just by reading some of these posts I can tell that many of you know almost nothing about him.

And CrashTest, why would S.H.I.E.L.D. be hunting Venom?!? There are a million other routes they could go other than one that wasn't something to happen in the comics, not to mention that Sony probably doesn't have access to the rights of S.H.I.E.L.D. (I'm guessing Marvel does due to the fact that S.H.I.E.L.D. has a major role in the Iron Man & Avengers movies).

The fact is that there are a ton storylines they could choose from without Spider-Man OR Carnage. They could very easily make an awesome movie out of the "Lethal Protector" storyline and just omit Spider-Man's part in the story, as it wasn't necessary to the story's success.

So for those of you who are making up these scenerios of how a Venom movie should go but actually don't know really anything about his character, story, etc., I recommend you actually read the comic books that he was in before you go acting like you know what the writers should do. Doing that is exactly what many of us on this site HATE seeing the writers do, so why is it ok for you to do it?
MetalHead - 9/26/2009, 1:35 PM
It would take a lot creative film making but I wouldn't say it's impossible to do it without Spider - Man in it. Most marvel fans would still see it I think with or without him.
Satoru - 9/26/2009, 2:38 PM
yeah i agree they have awesome chemistry together! and the guy who plays t-bag is amazing espically as t-bag reminds me of cletus kassidy great choice pal
Lee Burns - 9/26/2009, 3:45 PM
MetalHead

S.H.I.L.E.D because it gives the movie another Marvel Element, if you read Venom/comics that Venom appears in, as-well as the ultimate's, then you would know S.H.I.L.E.D has its nose in everything. Especially anything that has to do with spider-man.

And All Marvel Films should have Cross overs in them. You have to agree with that!

No matter how you look at it. Venom is attached to SpiderMan, like many have said no matter what! I think it would be crap, No I know it would be crap, not to have Venom's Arch-enemy Spider-Man in the film.I speak for two, the symbiote and Eddie Brock.(They both hate Spider-Man), so he should atleast have a Cameo. I wouldn't want him in the entire film myself. But in the End a surprise fight with the tree would be classic.

But MetalHead Im differently with you on SM3. If it had been done correctly, if Venom had been done correctly, it would be hard for a cross over. It suck, that they did him like that, that why I so bad want a spider-man reboot. Not a reboot from the beginning but somewhere in between where Venom could be redone, with whole new cast.
CrashTest - 9/26/2009, 4:58 PM
I think that if they did this as a movie that focused mainly on Venom and didn't really tie directly into the Spiderman movies, it could be really good. But they definitely need someone new to play Venom because Topher Grace just didn't impress me.
LadyArkham - 9/26/2009, 5:12 PM
I just hope the studio realizes that in order to do Venom ANY justice at all, he will have to be mostly CG through out the whole movie. The ONLY way they are going to get the kild of emotiveness and expressiveness of the symbiote is if they do motion-capture on the actor and CG the whole venom 'suit' over him.

I'd also like to see him use his 'tentacles' like he does in the comics. we didn't get any of that in SM3
ReddHotPoker - 9/26/2009, 10:05 PM
@ Metalhead & Crashtest

it kinda puts the studio in a bind tho, because you know that people who don't know much about Venom are going to assume it'll have Spidey in it, and if it doesn't, they'll be disappointed and will give the movie bad reviews.

Unfortunately, CB fans don't make up as high of a percentage of movie goers as some of them think they do. So as much as these studios and directors 'try' to satisfy the real fans, they always have to take that larger percentage into account and still make a movie that non-fans will want to see.

BTW, i'm not all that convinced that Venom/Brock died at the end of SM3.
1) Harry survived the same type of blast
2) no body was ever shown
3) Connors still has a sample at the university
4) after the pumpkin bomb goes off, they never talk about it, Eddie or the symbiote again
ReddHotPoker - 9/26/2009, 10:14 PM
You guys need a rating thats above PG13 and below R-18+
Ghola - 9/26/2009, 11:31 PM
@ CrashTest

No offense intended but I don't care about the Ultimate universe whatsoever. I've been reading Venom literally since he debuted in the '80s so THAT is Venom, not this Ultimate BS which I hate. But regardless of my opinion on that aspect of it, like I said-- the rights of S.H.I.E.L.D. are probably owned by Marvel as opposed to Sony anyways so I guess it's irrelevant.

And again, no offense intended, but you are mistaken if you think that Spider-Man not being in it would be "crap." I'm guessing that your knowledge of Venom isn't as deep as mine is. That being said, if it was you'd know that Venom's primary enemy has not been Spider-Man for a some time now. Venom's main enemy is anyone who harms innocents. Read the first bunch of Venom mini-serieses. THOSE are exactly the premise that they could base a Venom movie on.

@ ReddHotPoker

"CB fans don't make up as high of a percentage of movie goers as some of them think they do." This is true. However, as I have already suggested in a previous post, it is irrelevant. The reason being is that many people see CBMs without knowing that they are comic book adaptations. A classic example of this is "Men in Black." I bet you that at least 98% of the people who have seen it have no idea that it was a comic book first.

The second part of your statement ("so as much as these studios and directors 'try' to satisfy the real fans, they always have to take that larger percentage into account and still make a movie that non-fans will want to see") is correct and more relevant to the topic. Again, as long as they make a GOOD movie, it will be a success because the general public doesn't care if a movie was based on a comic book or not-- if it's a movie that looks cool to them, they'll see it.

Basically, ANY story can make for a great movie OR a horrible movie-- it just depends on how it is told, casted, etc. Two people could tell the exact same story two different ways and while one could be the best story ever told, the other could be the worst 20 minutes of your life. The best way I can illustrate this point is with the movie "Reservoir Dogs." Just imagine how awful and boring that movie could have been if it was done differently but still had the same story. Quentin Tarantino made it as great as it was with his writing and directing. The same could be true with a Venom movie. If the right people get involved, it could be awesome. But if the wrong people get their hands on the same exact screenplay it could turn out to be the next CBM bust.
MetalHead - 9/26/2009, 11:39 PM
I may not be a crazy avid marvel comic book reader as some on here ... But coming from a perspective as a person who might go see a movie like this ... it very slim... Venom isn't that well known to many people .... They only know him as spider-man's enemy.... What your saying Metalhead about how Venom is now a "good guy" his enemy is anyone who harms the innocents ?

I'm sorry but i only remember Venom being the "bad Guy"... So if they do go with a movie as him being this good guy... It will come across pretty weird to alot of people who have no clue of Venom except for the Spider-man enemy part...

Sorry i just can't see it.... But then again you never know...

thegreek - 9/26/2009, 11:56 PM
MetalHead@

Ive read many Venom comics without spidey and alot were envolved with him protecting a homeless comunity (SPAWN ANYONE) which is basicly the direction they were going since i read these in the 90's....i didnt realy find them interesting.....Venom even with the attachment and the feeling of ebandonment he has does not come off as a competent character without Spidey as a referance or as an intaganist to bring out the darker side :P
teabag - 9/27/2009, 5:06 AM
@ thegreek

Try this: try forgetting all that you know about Venom, including that you know that he is a comic book character. Then imagine if you saw a commercial for a movie that looked really cool (assuming that they do, in fact, make it look really cool). If you thought that, you'd probably want to see it. Just look at a movie like "Predator" or "Alien," for example, or even more recently "District 9." Those movies were not movies that you probably knew anything about prior to seeing them (assuming that you did see any of them) but due to the advertising they may have peaked your interest enough to see them. The same COULD happen with a Venom movie IF they actually make it look good.

@ Teabag,

Sorry but I'm gonna have to strongly disagree and I'm gonna have to do so questioning your knowledge on Venom, no offense. Read the "Lethal Protector" mini-series and tell me that you couldn't see that storyline being made into a movie without Spider-Man's part. It has all the makings for a movie: Venom protects innocents, a group of hi-tech soldiers with a vengence goes after Venom to avenge a friend AND to get their hands on the symbiote, and the group has also found a way to get the symbiote to reproduce, making 5 other symbiotes to take on Venom. I could see that happening and making for a kick-ass movie.

Now you don't need to find every Venom storyline to be interesting and I can understand why a few might not have been to you. But just because some weren't interesting to you doesn't mean that this can't be done.

Also, if you think that Spider-Man would be needed as an antagonist to bring out Venom's "darker side," again, you are mistaken. NOTHING brings out the darker side of Venom like someone who is killing/harming innocents does.

Side note: Venom ALWAYS protected innocents, long before Spawn even existed. I can give you specific issues to reference if you prefer.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 8:04 AM
MetalHead@ Like i said im not a big fan of Venom so thats why im more critical as it were and so i dont pretend to know as much as you..in fact i remember reading alot but for some reason only remember a story with Jugernaut,Madness or something where Eddie lives with the homless community and protects them?...(cus that was my only Spawn referance)the rest must fade in my mind cus i wasnt interested.....thats just my point of view not a slur on your Knowledge lol :P

Fact is there are more people who know or love Venom as a Spiderman Villain then as his own anti-Hero.....they are very brave to make this movie unless they are making drastic changes to apeal a wider audience which would probably alienate big fans such as yourself :)

As for what your saying to thegreek....i would watch that advertisement and think ..why does he have spidermans powers???..lol
teabag - 9/27/2009, 8:21 AM
@ Teabag

I hope this isn't coming off as offensive because that's not my intention. My intention is more to say "give ME the control of this project and I'll show you that I can make it work and make you all happy with it," and I am saying that because of my knowledge of Venom and knowing what could be done that (a) fans would enjoy and (b) what would still remain true to the character.

I did understand your Spawn reference, but actually the first specific story where Venom protected innocents as the only story and without Spider-Man involved was (I believe) 1990 in a short story in the pages after that month's Spider-Man story. Eddie Brock was hitchhiking across country after escaping The Vault. He was picked up by a kind family. During a snow storm they all stopped at a diner, which upon entering they learned was being held hostage by an armed group looking to hijack the armored car while making its weekly pickup. Venom did not like this. He dealt with them all.

Although this was the first Venom story specifically written to show him as a protector of innocents, it was not the first time that he did so. From the beginning he always made it clear to Spider-Man that his intentions were to protect innocents. He ONLY ever killed innocents when they stood in the way of him getting to Spider-Man and he hated having to do so.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 8:46 AM
MetalHead@ your not being offensive and i remember the hitchhiking thing.....but i dont think there is anyone who didnt know that Venom protected the innocent, hell he spoke of it enough when he was a Spidey villain...we know its nothing new just aprahensive.

Im sure you know itl work out but do you trust they will stick to what makes the character great and apeal to general audience without a Spidey referance :)
teabag - 9/27/2009, 8:54 AM
@ Teabag

Don't get me wrong-- I'm not saying by any means that they have my complete faith in this. I think it's more likely that they'll totally F it up than do something great. My point wasn't to try to convince everyone that they should trust the writers here, it was to say that it is POSSIBLE to make an awesome Venom movie without Spider-Man and that the public's knowledge (or lack thereof) of Venom doesn't mean that the movie can't be a success considering how many movies are successes without ANY source material.

I think too many people on here think that only the most popular comic book characters can make for a successful movie but they are quick to forget how many movies come out that are successful and are completely original ideas. Take "Hancock," for example. Here is a superhero without any source material, and yet since the movie was done well, it was a success. Then take a look at "The Matrix." Neo was a character who didn't even exist until the first movie and he-- and the series-- became an instant icon.

So my basic point is that there are many on this site who have preconceived notions that a movie can't work, and they only feel this way because they are comparing the character's popularity in the comic book world to what his popularity would be at the box office. Now granted, Batman and Spider-Man will ALWAYS do way better than a Venom movie would. But just because the movie doesn't set box office records doesn't mean that it isn't a success and I think that's the problem with many people's views on this site.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:07 AM
metalhead

i agree with just about everything you're saying. in venom's own series (eddie brock that is), and even after that venom was a vigilante stopping criminals, yes he killed most of them and probably "ate their brains", lol, but he was just another vigilante. the only reason he ever fought spiderman is because eddie and the symbiote view spidey as a criminal. why does everyone think spidey and venom teamed up numerous times to take down carnage??

if venom was "just a villain", then he wouldn't give a damn if carnage was going around killing mass amounts of people. but he did care, and he was willing to team up with his most hated enemy (spidey) to put a stop to the killings. in fact, for a while, spidey made venom believe that he had killed him. after that, venome went to a deserted island to live the rest of his life in peace...until carnage came around that is. bottom line, venom is actually NOT a villain, in the normal sense of the word. he's a villain to spidey, but other than that, he's a vigilante in the same vein as the punisher.
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 9:17 AM
MetalHead@ im a big fan of the smaller characters....i want a Werewolf by Night Movie as a trilogy...ist night 2nd night and 3rd night...anyway im all for the debate but please dont mention the Cock word...that movie i dispise..lol :)
teabag - 9/27/2009, 9:18 AM
Another way to look at it (maybe this will help to illustrate my point) is by thinking about a movie like "Reservoir Dogs." Take a look at Mr. Pink. Here is a character who isn't nearly as interesting as Venom, and yet he was able to help carry a movie due to the writing. Then on the other side of that, take a look at the movie "Lucky Number Slevin." (I intentionally chose a movie that isn't considered to be great.) The main character, Slevin Kelevra, was a character who clearly doesn't have as many interesting qualities and characteristics as Eddie Brock/Venom, and yet a movie was able to be centered around him. So my point is that it's all in how the story is told and that no matter how dull or boring a character is-- or how awesome and exciting he is, if the story is told done and right, a great story can be made out of anyone.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:19 AM
@ Teabag

Sorry if "Hancock" is a sensative subject with you. Unfortunately it does illustrate my point perfectly (in regards to people seeing a movie on a character who they knew nothing about prior to seeing the film.) I liked it but I can see why others might not have.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:22 AM
MetalHead@ Differance is Cock was popular cus everyone went to see Will Smith not cus they wanted to take a chance on a new story :)

Saying a good story can be made of everyone is too generic and takes the spice out of life lol :)
teabag - 9/27/2009, 9:25 AM
@ teabag

i've been hoping for a werewolf by night movie for a long time! those were some of the first comics i got into back when i was little. and with all these CBM's coming out these days, i can't believe they haven't made a classic like that yet!
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 9:28 AM
@ tea

also, did you read that halloween special a couple years ago that was a werewolf by night story?? i thought they were going to start a new series for him after that, but they never did, i was bummed because it was a really good story!
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 9:30 AM
@ CDB

Yeah, that was a very cool concept and storyline when Spidey tricked Venom into thinking that he killed him on the deserted island. One thing that they moved away from over the years is the fact that although Venom wasn't necessarily a villain, he was insane. Gradually they eliminated most of that over the years.

And regardless of if he is a villain or not, it IS possible to make a good movie/series where the main character isn't the good guy. One classic example is my all-time favorite TV show, "The Shield." The main character is a criminal! And the writers did an excellent job over the years to trick the audience into routing for him and routing against his antagonists, even though the antagonists were actually the real good guys.

But yes, the best comparison to Venom's character would have to be The Punisher, although Venom is slightly worse due to the fact that he has killed innocents intentionally, even if it was only a couple.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:31 AM
I know Corndog....and since there is a vampire craze why not Tombe of Dracula cus i have the first 62 issues of that series and the story arc is amazing :)

Yeah we need to get Mr Russel running through the night again......perhapse if Wolfman is a success..:P

Punisher and Venom differ cus Venom has a warped perspective of innocence, which makes it more anti than hero to me........i know i know it could be great blah blah..lol :P
teabag - 9/27/2009, 9:31 AM
@ Teabag

My point was that a good story can be made out of everyone and anything... IF done right. It's all about the perspective. Just think of how different these 2 scenerios for a Venom story would be: one that just focuses on what we see Venom do (as opposed to seeing things from his perspective) and one that shows us him talking to himself/the symbiote and that shows us the side of him that is insane. It's all about painting the picture and Quentin Tarantino's films are the perfect example of this. He gets us inside the characters. I'm not saying that his movies are better than everyone else's, what I'm saying is imagine any of his movies if they didn't focus on the senseless dialogue but did focus more on the dialogue that was relevant to the plot. Two totally different movies.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:38 AM
To make a ridiculously long story short, this movie COULD be made to be awesome. Whether or not it is-- well, that's a whole different story. Now, we pray.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 9:41 AM
MetalHead@ i never took Media studies so yeah ..lol :P
teabag - 9/27/2009, 9:41 AM
@ teabag

tomb of dracula would be very cool. i wonder how that would work with who owns dracula rights?? maybe marvel can't do it because some other studio has the movie rights to the "dracula" name???
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 9:54 AM
Could be Corndog but it seems to me there are alot of Dracula movies under differant studios :)
teabag - 9/27/2009, 10:06 AM
@ MetalHead
I dont take things offensive, so dont worry, as a film student myself it all good film and comic talk.

but Sorry buddy my knowledge of Venom is pretty good,keeping up with him and many more since the 80's, and I would agree with you that allot of the Ultimate's were not that good but I did enjoy the Avengers and spider-man.

Anyways you are missing my point. Yes Marvel wanted to separate Venom from spider-man, and he battle anyone you harmed innocents but like teabag said, "it wasn't very interesting".Point being, Venom is a part of the Marvel Universe,you have some great Ideas but its sounds like you trying to separate him from that.
I as well like to watch a film about a character I know nothing about, but that the point so many know venom as a Anti-Villain.

@CorndogBurglar Venom was no Punisher, Thye might of ended that way, and I say they cuz its not just Brock we are talking about. but they didnt start that way. Anyone who kidnaps someone and threatens their family, is a villain. And now Venom is back to being a Villain! why do you think marvel tuned Eddie Brock into Anti-Venom and gave the symbiote to scorpion? cuz it was time to reboot the character, that good guy stuff wasnt working, for Venom. The symboite it's self is a villain, its Evil and we have seen example of that.

Venom is being introduce to the new generation as a Villain. Spectacular Spider-Man, Mac Gargan (aka SCORPION). So to make a film, a first lead role film, about Venom being this hero wouldn't be a way the I would go. With that said Spider-man must show his face ONCE int the film. The story has to connect him to Venom's source of Anger/hatred. In the end it has to make a complete circle, THEY have to face what THEY hate and are scared of the most, SPIDER-MAN! remember Venom is not one but two.

MetalHead
I know S.H.I.E.L.D wouldn't be in the film due to right, I was giving an example of how I would want the film to be done. For myself, cross-overs are a MUST! it connects two world and the audience as well. Prefect example was Iron-man. In the end I agree with you that a good story can be made out of anything, but it also could be made bad.

CrashTest - 9/27/2009, 11:12 AM
@ CrashTest

I'm not disagreeing with you that a Venom movie WITH Spider-Man would be awesome-- if done right-- what I am saying is that it's not necessary.

"Venom is a part of the Marvel Universe, you have some great ideas but its sounds like you trying to separate him from that." This statement shows the fatal flaw to your argument. Because of the fact that we are not having the discussion of Venom vs. Spider-Man in "Spider-Man 4," but that we ARE having it in regards to a Venom spin-off, this shows that the studios are also "trying to separate him from that," otherwise this isn't a Venom movie, it's "Spider-Man 4."

That being said, I think there's a strong chance that Spider-Man has absolutely zero to do with this movie-- maybe some shots in a re-boot origin during the opening credits like in "The Incredible Hulk."

Now again, let me make myself clear: I am not opposed to a Spider-Man vs. Venom movie-- if done right. Many months ago on this site I suggested the idea of a "Maximum Carnage" R-rated cartoon series like HBO did with Spawn, so clearly I have no problems with the two being together. But the fact is that "Spider-Man 3"-- which is by far one of the worst Marvel movies, in my opinion-- totally ruined the possibility of any of it being done correctly due to the fact that they tried to cram too much into one movie. They SHOULD HAVE set Venom up for the next film, but I won't even get into all of that. Considering this, not only is Venom's origin ruined in the "Spider-Man" movie universe, but Carnage's origin is destined to be ruined as well.

With that being said, since I'd love to see the real Venom in a movie, this is the only way to actually do it now without re-booting the current Spider-Man storyline, which isn't gonna happen.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 11:43 AM
he could have cancer in the movie that could be one of the problem Eddie faces cuz they never said he had cancer in spiderman 3
flames809 - 9/27/2009, 11:44 AM
Oh, by the way, to me Max Gargan is NOT Venom. I refuse to even acknowledge that garbage so to me I'd rather just not have a Venom movie than have one without Eddie Brock.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 11:58 AM
i would like them to stick with the same guy that play venom/ Eddie Brock in spiderman 3 he played him good for a short time
flames809 - 9/27/2009, 12:11 PM
sorry LEE i gotta desagree dude. carnage should be nowhere near like hannibal lecter. hannibals a far more intelligent villian than carnage could ever ask to be. hannibal usually has a plan where as carnage is a hack and slash guy just cuz he loves to kill. i love carnage but hes nowhere near hannibals calliber of character. and really, can you ever see the good Dr. writing "HANNIBAL RULES" in blood everywhere he goes?

as far as casting ive said for YEARS now that if anyone is to be Kasady it should be Matthew Lillard. ya sure he played shaggy but honestly, watch the last 20 minutes of Scream. the guys a total whacko. perfect for Kasady.
ThePrince - 9/27/2009, 12:16 PM
Aces@ Given a chance Lillard could work

Crashtest@ Dam right :)

MetalHead@ Also Dam right Eddie Brock is the Only Venom i will recognise :)

Flames@ Time for the meds my friend..lol :P
teabag - 9/27/2009, 1:51 PM
i don't know, i kind of like mac gargan as venom. its a chance to see what a completely weak willed person will get turned into under the control of a symbiote. this is probably the most "real" venom we'll ever see because the symbiote is in total control, where as eddie brock was more in control while he had it. this venom is so much more violent and monstrous. i kind of like it. and i think its safe to assume that eddie brock will have the symbiote back at some point.
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 3:39 PM
Sorry CDB, cool or not, it's not Venom. And I'm sorry to say that it's something that I'll never give a chance. I'm not saying that you are wrong, I'm saying that, to me, Venom isn't Venom without Eddie Brock. I guess what I'm trying to say is that he shouldn't be called "Venom." I have no problem with Max Gargan getting the symbiote, I just can't stand hearing people refer to him as though he is the same character as Venom was with Eddie Brock.
MetalHead - 9/27/2009, 3:54 PM
@ metalhead

i guess they ran out of witty names...anti-venom, toxin...ugh
CorndogBurglar - 9/27/2009, 4:00 PM
No more Gopher Trace for Eddie Brock!

This is really a stupid idea. A Venom stand-alone? Yaaaawn. The whole draw with Venom is the lure to the "dark side" for Peter Parker and how Brock succumbs to the seduction of all that unrestrained power.

No, keep him in the Spiderman movies. Make 4 and 5 closely linked without the insipid "Saving Private Mary Jane" crap, give us Lizard and Venom and Carnage, and do it RIGHT!!!
bropous - 9/28/2009, 7:03 AM
They should cast Brock Lesnar, theat was their 1st idea and they should stick with it
nitewing313 - 9/28/2009, 7:33 AM
@ bropous

Speak for yourself when you say "the whole draw with Venom is the lure to the 'dark side' for Peter Parker and how Brock succumbs to the seduction of all that unrestrained power." That is not the entire "draw." To me, the appeal was several things:

-First off, plain and simple, he looked cool. It was an awesome concept to see a guy who could kick some serious ass WITHOUT his powers, and then added to that base, a super-strong being. And it was cool to see someone who's only strength wasn't his power. He had great natural physical strength and great mental discipline, which is something that basically no villains have.

-Then there's the fact that you had a guy-- who was insane-- who wanted to kill Spider-Man, but other than that obsession, he completely believed in protecting the lives of innocents, which was a dynamic that no other of Spider-Man's foes had.

-"They" also had a loyalty to the innocents and therefore did everything in "their" power to avoid any innocents from being harmed in their battles or as victims in a crossfire. In one of Venom's first storylines he even met Aunt May and was very polite and sweet towards her. This, again, was a dynamic that none of Spider-Man's foes had.

-There was also the pairing of 2 beings who had coincidentally found each other and were both feeling pain and suffering as a direct result of Spider-Man. Their meeting in the church was an awesome concept.

-And after Spider-Man was Venom's primary enemy, it was cool to see a character living in the sewers and alleys, not using his powers for his own personal gain and to steal money, etc., but to dedicate his life to protecting innocents.

Many of these traits are things that characters like The Vulture and The Hobgoblin could not pull off. So again, speak for yourself since you clearly aren't a hardcore Venom fan.

Oh, and as for "give us Lizard and Venom and Carnage, and do it RIGHT!!!"-- here's a little newsflash: they WON'T do it right and it would be almost impossible for them to do Carnage right given the fact that it will NOT be a rated-R movie. And, not to mention, they will almost definitely not be able to correctly do Carnage's origin, which was one of the cooler little details in his story.
MetalHead - 9/28/2009, 8:16 AM
@ nitewing313

As cool as Brock Lesner would look as Eddie Brock, it's just not going to happen due to the fact that Lesnar is having a VERY successful UFC career and he has completely dedicated himself to MMA training and being the best in the world.

Also, while he might LOOK perfect, I'm not so sure that he'd be able to act very well.
MetalHead - 9/28/2009, 8:18 AM
@ MetalHead,

I agree Brock Lesnar although would fullfill the physical image of the Venom character but I dont recall any movies he has appeared in so I not sure of his acting ability.
Kind of wish they had just done the Venom movie without having Venom in Spidey 3. From what I read Sam Riami was never fond of the idea of the symbiote story line for one of his movies so its like he purposely screwed the 3rd movie. Comic based movies should be by the comic story (or least have Kevin Smith do the directing since he is a true comic fan) but what can ya do? thats hollywood for ya. But seriously Topher Grace was not a good pick for Venom, made Venom look like a middle school kid rather than the monster of muscle that he was when he first appeared in the comics (prior to Eddie Brocks Anti-Venom)
GreenGoblin - 9/29/2009, 7:34 AM
Oh, and one question. Does anyone think they will bring Carnage back from the dead? I mean last I saw of him he was broke in half floating in space so kinda hard to rebound from that one lol.
GreenGoblin - 9/29/2009, 7:38 AM
@ GreenGoblin

You are correct that Sam Raimi didn't like the idea, but it wasn't the symbiote that he didn't like, it was cramming Venom into the movie that he didn't want to do. From what I understand, Raimi intended to set Venom up for the next film but the studios made him put Venom in for stupid marketing reasons.

As far as the choice of Topher Grace, I absolutely HATED the idea of casting him, but I understood it. They figured that since Venom is the evil version of Spider-Man with similar powers then it would be cool if Eddie Brock was the evil version of Peter Parker with a similar appearance, build and age. Again, I hated this idea. That was not Venom in "Spider-Man 3." And I'm completely with you that I would rather they had just done a Venom movie without putting him in "Spider-Man 3," but ideally I would have just preferred that they saved him for "Spider-Man 4," did him correctly, and THEN gave him a spinoff. But you're right, "what can ya do?"
MetalHead - 9/29/2009, 8:31 AM
@ MetalHead

Well I heard kids at the theater while the movie was playing (I mean kids that were like 8-10 years old) saying "They made Venom look whippy" and I totally agreed. I mean no doubt Topher Grace was a good actor but he just wasnt for the Venom role. Hopefully when this Venom movie comes out in 2012 it will justify his character, although I'm curious of who they will pick to play Eddie Brock? They have plenty of time to build this movie up.
GreenGoblin - 9/29/2009, 5:59 PM
@ GreenGoblin

I'm completely with you, like I've said: I HATED the choice of Topher Grace. I haven't heard any official rumors as to whose names are being thrown around for the part, but from what I've seen suggested on this site, I am growing fond of the idea of Dominic Purcell. He looks big enough and he definitely looks like he could pull off the attitude needed. And he seems like he could play a character who we could route for. If they went with him I wouldn't have any complaints. And I don't have a better suggestion myself, not that he is a bad one anyway.
MetalHead - 9/29/2009, 7:43 PM
picture robert knepper bald, now that is a great vulture for spidey!
FORTAPACHE - 10/1/2009, 1:54 PM
Okay, I really like Purcell as Eddie/Venom. But I still gotta go with my choice of DJ Qualls as Carnage. Hate that choice if you must. I think DJ has the demeanor to portray a psychopath. Besides, the two actors look like total opposites.
Actually, I was kinda hoping Carnage might be a villian in Spiderman 4. And Eddie/Venom keeping a distant and reticent eye on Peter, making Peter wander if he is seeing things, if its all in his imagination. Then a Venom movie after Spiderman 4.
6of13 - 10/1/2009, 2:34 PM
dont the like the idea of purcel has venom, or knepper as carnage. both actors are good, but knepper needs to be venom and jim carrey as carnage. carrey needs to prove he can do a dark role now, and not do some childish role. not as funny as he used to be. #23 was good, but he wasnt as good as he shud have been...

carrey shud act like ledger did in the tdk as carnage. RIP LEDGER!!!
kyle dalton - 10/1/2009, 4:35 PM
F.u.ck. PORKCELL.
OSCURO - 10/2/2009, 3:58 PM

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