ARROW: Check Out Some New Footage From The Season 4 Première, "Green Arrow"

I'm not against Olly dating felicity. I'm against poor writing which season 3 was full of

I hate this damn Olicity crap it totally turned me off to the show. I used to be excited every time it came on. Also The Flash and Daredevil really brought more of the shows faults to light. Every time I see Felicity or her fan girls posts all I want to do is puke. I have not even watched the last 3 episodes from last season and have no desire to.


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If they will give us more of that Olicity teen bullcrap this season, i will give up Arrow. Flash is doing the same thing but still i like that show way more than the road Arrow is heading.Agents of Schield is indeed getting better and better. Without all the unnecessary romance and more focus on character build and story. CW is to busy pleasing the Tubler teens and not the real fans.

I putt my money on Jessica Jones, Agents of Schield and Flash.........I hope fore the best that Arrow will go deeper in to the real Green Arrow not this romance teen stuff. And yes exies7 the Actors of Arrow and Flash are not that good. Espasialy Stephen, Emily and that Thea girl. But Agents of Schield is not that much better in the acting department, i mean its a tv show so i guess i don't have to expect that much.....(cough)........Game of thrones, The wire, Breaking Bad, Daredevil, Boardwalk Empire, Mad Man,Law and Order

I happen to love felicity. Think she's pretty cool. Even in Season 3. She's still way more tolerable than Skye or Daisy or whatever the frick her name's supposed to be.

Can't wait for Arrow to be back...

@Dmon

HA HA HA, you where quicker than me with your gif!

Still love the show.

But yes, I need my Barry, too. ;p

@OmegaDaGr0dd

Agreed, the show is mostly amazing -- specially when you consider how it could have gone. That's a part about Barry I like a lot. Since he has so much power the choices he picks makes him interesting.

@Kyos

LMAO!!!

@0megaDaGr0dd - "@exies7 Agreed. I think part of what I loved about S1 was that they really showed Barry [frick]ing up in obvious ways. Not the full retard moments that we're talking about, but just making bad calls and the episode dwelling on that, which really made some of the hurdles he was clearing have more meaning. For whatever kinks the show has, it really has a soul all the way through."

That's honestly the way I feel about MoS. If Kal just became Superman & was the perfect blue boy scout, I feel like he'd be one-dimensional and there'd be no room for growth & character development.

Same is the case with Barry. He has these awesome superpowers, but he struggles with doing/being good and all the problems/ramifications that coincide with having superpowers & being a superhero. The Rogue Air episode especially. Barry was desperate, didn't have a "best" option and despite Joe's strong disagreement/disapproval, Barry thought he could handle the situation even if it meant working the Snarts. It was a tough lesson to learn and you felt like Barry knew he wasn't doing the right thing, but believed he could control the situation anyways. He was proven wrong, was forced to learn a valuable lesson and there's several metahumans running around free in Central City again. It's a shame all the good writing/writers & better actors are working on the Flash because it makes Arrow stand out even more by comparison.

@MrPagBrewster - "@exies7 "I'm not against Olly dating felicity. I'm against poor writing which season 3 was full of""

AGREED!

The entire season seemed poorly thought out & executed. It almost felt like they said here's a skeleton outline for the season, we'll fill it in as we go, now let's focus on the Flash. haha. The let's not tell Lance that Sarah died, again, was pathetic. It made no logical sense and when they tried to give reasons it made it worse. Plus, it kept dragging on. Which goes back to the poorly thought out point, if you're gonna kill off Sarah as the big twist & cliffhanger in the season premiere, it shouldn't have dragged on as long it did!! It made several episodes boring to watch bc you had characters upset/emotional about Sarah & Oliver. It was poorly planned out. When you watch the Flash on Tues. and it's mostly fun/light-hearted with the occasional sad, heartfelt moments, it makes watching Arrow the next night feel like a chore when it's not as entertaining, engaging and rarely fun. I'm not saying Arrow needs/should be more like the Flash, but the writing could definitely improve. I felt like Felicity was crying/emotional every other scene for several episodes straight. They could've handled her character much better & differently, while still conveying the same message.

Now, to make matters worse, they're bringing Sarah back! Which may not have been in the plans when they killed her off, but they have to know there's a lot of questions that will need to be addressed. Sarah was dead for months, but the Lazarus Pit is able to resurrect her? Isn't there an "expiration date" the Lazarus Pit can't bring someone back?

If the Lazarus Pit can resurrect Sarah after being dead for months, couldn't it revive Moira Queen too??? Moira was only dead a few months longer than Sarah. Or is this going to be a plot/series convenience that is explained by "reasons" so they can resurrect Sarah to be the other series?? Will Lance lose his f*cking mind when he learns Sarah isn't dead, again?? Won't Lance be f*cking pissed that despite being resurrected, Sarah is still risking her life as a superhero/vigilante?? Will it help mend his relationship with Oliver now that Sarah is alive??

Just so many questions and problems created I don't feel they're aware of. Or they don't care or are able to explain/address. More often than not it's like they have what they believe is a good idea, but they don't do their due diligence in thinking the idea through to realize the ramifications, questions & problems they'd create. That or they don't care and think they deal with them when they get to them. Or worse, they say f*ck it, they're along for the ride, if they get caught up on little details, plotholes, character inconsistencies, etc., they can stop watching! IF the latter is the case, they don't know their audience bc comic book fans care about those things. hahaha

This show in general needs a little dip in the Lazurus pit itself.