ARROW Episode 208 "The Scientist" Poll & Discussion

Someone to an arrow to the knee. The actual Arrow (Stephen Amell) got his butt handed to him. And the mere namedrop of a Batman Begins villain sends a Dark Archer scampering. And oh yeah, some guy names Barry Allen (Grant Gustin) made his debut.

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By Mark Julian - 12/5/2013
What did you guys think of Arrow episode 2x08 "The Scientist"? It's the first of a two-part mid-season finale which means all the immediate questions raised this episode won't have their answers revealed until next Wednesday. Once again, the fight scenes are what really shines on the show, James Bamford can do no wrong in my book. A tv show has to keep their display of super powers very minimal so they don't burn through their budget, yet Arrow still captured super strength perfectly. Going up against a pseudo-Solomon Grundy (Graham Shiels), Arrow got punched, kicked and thrown all over the place. These scenes could have looked extremely fake, making it obvious the actors were on wires but the editing and stuntwork by the Arrow team was top-notch.

Looking online, the consensus seems to be that Grant Gustin works fine as a tv Barry Allen, but most were having a difficult time envisioning him working alongside Superman (Henry Cavill) and Batman (Ben Affleck) in the Batman vs Superman movie. What that means for The CW shows being connected to the DC Cinematic Universe (DCCU) is anyone's guess.

Line of the night goes to Moira Queen (Susanna Thompson) who sent Malcolm Merlyn (John Barrowman) running scared when she said Ra's Al Ghul would be coming after him. The wtf moment of the night went to Oliver who shot Roy (Colton Haynes) in the leg with an arrow when he began interfering in his investigation in Brother Blood's (Kevin Alejandro) Miralco/Miracle serum. You really couldn't think of a better way to stop Roy, Oliver?




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"A seemingly impossible robbery at Queen Consolidated’s Applied Sciences Division brings Central City police scientist Barry Allen (guest star Grant Gustin) to town. Citing a similar case back home, Barry offers to help Oliver (Stephen Amell) and team with the investigation. Oliver senses there is more to Barry than meets the eye, but he’s distracted by the similarities between this current case and something that happened on the island. Meanwhile, Felicity (Emily Bett Rickards) takes a liking to Barry, which doesn’t go unnoticed by Oliver. Sin (guest star Bex Taylor-Klaus) asks Roy (Colton Haynes) for help when a friend of hers goes missing. Roy is surprised when Thea (Willa Holland) not only encourages him to help, but joins the search. Unfortunately, Sin’s friend is connected to Brother Blood (guest star Kevin Alejandro), and their search ultimately gets one of them seriously injured. Michael Schultz directed the episode with story by Greg Berlanti & Andrew Kresiberg and teleplay by Andrew Kreisberg & Geoff Johns (#208)."

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Running Time: 60 min
Release Date: (Season Two) October 9th, 2013
MPAA Rating: Tv-14
Starring: Katie Cassidy, Stephen Amell, David Ramsey, Byron Mann, Colin Donnell, Colin Salmon, Paul Blackthorne, Emily Bett Rickards, John Barrowman, Roger R. Cross and Willa Holland
Creators: Greg Berlanti, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg
Characters: George Papp (character) and Mort Weisinger (character)

The CW Arrow season 2


"After a violent shipwreck, billionaire playboy Oliver Queen was missing and presumed dead for five years before being discovered alive on a remote island in the Pacific. When he returns home to Starling City, his devoted mother Moira, much-beloved sister Thea, and best friend Tommy welcome him home, but they sense Oliver has been changed by his ordeal on the island. While Oliver hides the truth about the man he’s become, he desperately wants to make amends for the actions he took as the boy he was. Most particularly, he seeks reconciliation with his former girlfriend, Laurel Lance. As Oliver reconnects with those closest to him, he secretly creates the persona of Arrow – a vigilante – to right the wrongs of his family, fight the ills of society, and restore Starling City to its former glory. By day, Oliver plays the role of a wealthy, carefree and careless philanderer he used to be – flanked by his devoted chauffeur/bodyguard, John Diggle – while carefully concealing the secret identity he turns to under cover of darkness. However, Laurel’s father, Detective Quentin Lance, is determined to arrest the vigilante operating in his city. Meanwhile, Oliver’s own mother, Moira, knows much more about the deadly shipwreck than she has let on – and is more ruthless than he could ever imagine."
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batcheeks8 - 12/5/2013, 4:54 AM
[frick]ing AMAZING

I lost it at the REVERSE FLASH reference!!!
batcheeks8 - 12/5/2013, 4:55 AM
And Diggle's "What's next, aliens?"

haha that was smart
GliderMan - 12/5/2013, 5:02 AM
I didn't hear anything about a "first vigilante" though.

Grant Gustin FTW!!!!!!!!!!
ManofSteel22 - 12/5/2013, 5:08 AM
I actually didn't notice laurel was gone,that's a good sign to get rid of her lol
Groillagrod87 - 12/5/2013, 5:10 AM
Loved it good episode but just setting up part two. There was so many references that made me smile like a school girl. I don't know how there r so many story lines but it seems to work out
MightyZeus - 12/5/2013, 5:10 AM
I thought it was good.

The dude whose playing Barry is excellent.
NOLANITE - 12/5/2013, 5:10 AM
Well lets see,
grant gustin was what I imagined a barry allen would be.
seems like a amateur but I think he could hang given a good script.
I think hell be just fine.
the reverse flash hint was a good opening to the superpower side of the house.
the fight scenes were great. The peeps behind this show really know how to make good use of their resources.
the ras al ghul kick was great.
in conclusion, theres no fricking way this cant be connected to the dccu.
Grant gustin FTW and this is giving AOS a run for their money.
great episode.
any one else agree?
henchmen - 12/5/2013, 5:17 AM
Great episode, I'd put it in my top 5 of Arrow.
Grant Gustin is better than I thought he'd be and will be fine with his own Flash show.
The fight scene with Arrow and Brother Cyrus was fantastic. Some movies cannot even get that quality of a fight, especially with super human abilities.
nickh0801 - 12/5/2013, 5:17 AM
I totally missed the reverse flash hint!!! dang it!
GetsugaTensho22 - 12/5/2013, 5:17 AM
Freaking awesome!
About Barry...
The thing is, with regards to their characters, him and Peter Parker ARE very similar, even in the comics. Peter's young age and his brown hair are what set him apart from the slightly older, blonde Barry Allen.
Gustin's Barry was a great Barry Allen, but being brown haired and slightly younger really pushed him more into Peter Parker territory.

THE REVERSE FLASH REFERENCE HAD ME GEEKING OUT THO!!
sthanson - 12/5/2013, 5:18 AM
Great episode! I definitely didn't see him putting an arrow through Roy. I thought they did a great job of introducing powers simultaneously in Starling City and on the island. I can't wait to see what the consequences of having Ra's Al Ghul help you are...
Mothchild - 12/5/2013, 5:25 AM
I think Grant will find his groove the more he plays Barry. Action was awesome as usual especially when Ollie got slammed upwards into the pipe then fell. Island scenes were great. Ollies is obviously not going to go easy on Roy.

The only negative was the composited shot of the sub in the inland lake which looked really rough.

I am very excited for the Flash show and looking forward to Solomon Grundy's treatment next week. Hopefully Cyrus doesn't die soon.

Awesome show!!!!
HavocPrime - 12/5/2013, 5:27 AM
Brilliant episode, Arrow is so much better than Agents of Shield and I honestly thought I would be saying that in reverse.
fortycals - 12/5/2013, 5:33 AM
The episode was great up until he shot Roy. That was just plain out of character. It threw the whole episode and almost the whole season out whack for me. It could have played well last season, but after all the growth he had over this season, it definitely was a dick move. Also I swear they better kill Cyrus soon, I want the real grundy. As geeked out as I was over the name drops and Barry, those two things brought me back down.
ComicBookConnections - 12/5/2013, 5:33 AM
Amazing epsiode ...im feeling the cavil gustin amell affleck togetherness

And maybe a colton haynes steve mcqueen young justice
BeerForever667 - 12/5/2013, 5:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbp3Ra3Yp74

It''s here...
Mothchild - 12/5/2013, 5:39 AM
@ Sotojuiice

I meant die as in written out of the show. I hope they go full zombie with him
Baf - 12/5/2013, 5:45 AM
Great job having Barry late for everything.
You can tell Grant is trying to develop a character rather than phoning in an acting job for the WB.
Merlin wanted no part of Ra's revenge. Great to see him afraid of something.
Felicity's best performance to date.
Many "Kord" references.
Even a Smallville "blurr" nod describing Reverse Flash.
I wonder how long they can keep flashing back to the island. Not that I'm tired of the island scenes yet, but, I would think that part of the show would eventually play itself out.
fortycals - 12/5/2013, 5:52 AM
@baf
From what ollie said last night, they are still only on the second year. If they keep that pace of a year a season, by the fifth season they may be done.

@Soto
no doubt it was funny, but it seemed like something he would have done last season. It's like all the growth he had over this season was lost. He had other options to get Roy out of his way but he shot him anyway.
Ineedrevelation - 12/5/2013, 6:00 AM
@fortycals

It wasn't out of character for Arrow. He's all about saving people any way possible. He's logic is Batman's = get it done by any means but killing.

Also, Gustin was brilliant! Loved him in every scene. This has to be connected to the DCCU.

Added Bonus: No Laurel :-)
megabatfan - 12/5/2013, 6:02 AM
Don't know why anyone wants a shared TV and cinematic universe. I'm quite fine with two separate universes.
1. No I don't think it will be confusing to viewers, because with proper marketing, people will get the idea and understand the difference.
2. Grant Gustin looks as a great Barry Allen next to Stephen Amell's Green Arrow, but I do NOT see him standing toe to toe with Henry Cavil & Ben Affleck's Superman & Batman. Next to them he's more a Wally West
JoeMomma29 - 12/5/2013, 6:03 AM
Last night was solid, and I am happy who they chose to play The Flash. Looks like we will have two solid CB shows on t.v. soon.
yingyangpalms - 12/5/2013, 6:05 AM
@fortycals I loved the episode but Arrow shooting Roy was over the top. Too often writers create ludicrous moments like that in TV and film where people can get shot and it doesn't matter. Like in last years finale when Oliver impaled himself just to stab Merlyn and just walks away.
If I was the director I would've refused to shoot it because it was absurd.
Those are moments that insult the viewer but they are everywhere in action film and TV.

fortycals - 12/5/2013, 6:26 AM
@ineedrevelation
It was out of character for where ollie is now. The whole subject of this season was him finding another way. Yeah that is mainly about killing, but come on. There were so many ways to handle that situation better than shooting him. How many times had he shot diggle when they disagree. He didn't just shoot some random thug, he shot one of his team, and his sisters boyfriend. The episode was still good and I hope that this leads to something better, but that had me scratching my head.
Ineedrevelation - 12/5/2013, 6:29 AM
@fortycals

Nope because he knows Roy is really head strong and won't listen to him anyway so he had to literally slow him down and send him a message for the future but we all know Roy and Red Arrow's always been that way anyway.

Diggle listens. Roy doesn't. He's basically a thug but has a better future ahead of him than most but he still bullheaded. That was Ollie's only real option next to killing the boy.
fortycals - 12/5/2013, 6:38 AM
@ineedrevelation
yeah I know the dude is head strong but there where still other ways. Trick him by sending him on a wild goose chase. Go to him as ollie and put him off the trail. The same situation happened with diggle chasing deadshot last season and he doesn't resort to shooting him. Hell do what he did all last season and reveal his identity, and train the boy already. It was done for shock value alone. I hope it leads somewhere good but as it stands now it was a dick move.
joniegogo84 - 12/5/2013, 6:40 AM
brilliant episode, cant wait for next week..
Baf - 12/5/2013, 6:42 AM
@fortycals You say out of character and that's true. He did make a pact not to kill but a couple weeks ago Ollie had no problem killing innocent Russian guards in the Gulag.
Ineedrevelation - 12/5/2013, 6:50 AM
@fortycals

Ollie doesn't always have time to do the whole secret life, go get Diggle or goose chase mess. I'm sure he just wants Roy to listen and we all know he gets frustrated at times and he handles Felicity, Diggle, Thea, Laurel and Moria all differently.

Don't expect Roy and Ollie's relationship to change much from now because Roy doesn't listen. That's why Ollie's gonna be kicking his ass for the rest of the series
BOGAN2point0 - 12/5/2013, 7:31 AM
when do they say he wasnt the first vigilante?
fortycals - 12/5/2013, 7:37 AM
@ineedrevelation
I get what they did and why he did it, they made that clear. What I'm saying is from behind the scenes standpoint, it was done for shock value, and it goes against the character growth shown this season.
Nomis - 12/5/2013, 7:38 AM
AWESOME EPISODE! Great set up for the mid season finale!

And I love how mama Queen threaten Malcom Merlyn with Ras Al Ghul!
jmorin - 12/5/2013, 7:55 AM
I appreciated the foreshadowing in the brief scene where Barry is rearranging the chemicals in the lab. There was a lightning strike and then moments later he comments that the arrangement of the chemicals is an accident waiting to happen.
RedArrow - 12/5/2013, 7:59 AM
great episode! the reverse flash reference and the climbing on the shelf with all the chemicals, while there's thunder/lightning outside was pretty clever;) i think the actor did a great job, but i'm expecting better/funnier lines from him eventually as he grows into the the flash we all know, psyched for the next one! and i'm also really looking forward to roy becoming the red arrow!
http://i.imgur.com/qFykz.gif
OldBenKenobi - 12/5/2013, 8:26 AM
Great episode. Had me geeking out quite a few times.
marantaz - 12/5/2013, 8:29 AM
That was the best episode of Arrow by far! As you said, the fight scenes were excellent, the story flowed, even the arrow in the leg made sense to me, it showed Oliver was serious about the threat and didn't have time for Roy's crap (some people just have to slapped, or worse, sometimes, you know?). It will cause problems later, no doubt (drama drama drama).
I'm not a DC fan, so I probably missed a lot of the references some of you noted, but I caught enough. Great stuff, I'll bet it's fun to write these shows!


It was possibly the best episode of any CB TV show ever.
rabid - 12/5/2013, 8:35 AM
We all know that Ollie's not the type to train a sidekick, so this makes it obvious that Roy's going to strike out on his own without help. Ollie won't get involved until he has to. i loved the arrow in the leg. It kind of set the tone for how those two treat each other and gives Roy a reason to personally dislike GA.
thescarletspeedzter - 12/5/2013, 8:48 AM
GRANT GUSTIN AND STEPHEN AMELL MUST JOIN CAVILL AND AFFLECK IN JUSTICE LEAGUE!!!!!
relentless1 - 12/5/2013, 8:55 AM
i liked it, thought barry was played pretty decent but it sticks in my craw a bit that moira was just able to call up ras al ghul like he lived down the block or something. dude is the elite of the elite and she was a pawn in a games played by one of the men wayyy down the chain of the LOS hierarchy.
Battabing - 12/5/2013, 9:15 AM
Such a great episode!! And given the Flash details in another thread, now we know why Barry didn't move in on Felicity. He loves Iris West!

There's a reason WB nixed the Flash episode of Arrow and decided to give Grant Gustin his own pilot. He killed in the role.

Moira has got to be the hottest mom on TV right now, and given some of her connections, it's not hard to see that she could reach someone that knew someone who could get the word out Ras.

My only question is why would the League of Assassins think what Merlyn did was dishonorable? Maybe I'm conflating Nolan's League of Shadows with the DCU's LoA?

I've noted before that Flash and Arrow will probably be allowed to step up the DCCU and then step down to continue their narratives when a movie has wrapped. The insiders are saying that if Grant Gustin impresses, he will be the cinematic Flash. Stephen Amell has already hinted he may be involved in a JL movie. There's so much WB is doing that we don't know yet.

Someone above said this show is giving AoS a run for its money. I disagree. Arrow is curb-stomping AoS out in the front yard.
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