UPDATE: TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES Co-Creator Responds To Bay's Alien Race Idea

Peter Alan Laird co-creator of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles shares his opinion on Micheal Bay's controversial decision to make the turtles aliens. Will new TMNT deal with teen angst?

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By nailbiter111 - 3/21/2012


When Michael Bay said, "These turtles are from an alien race" he created a firestorm of controversy bigger than anything he has put on film, and that is saying something. Over the past few days we've heard from many actors that have worked on TMNT, but not from one of the most important people, the creators. Peter Laird alongside Kevin Eastman, gave birth to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and Peter has gone to his blog to weigh in on Bay's controversial comments.

I have had several requests from TMNT fans during this past week to comment on the idea of the Turtles being "reimagined" as aliens for the upcoming TMNT movie to be produced by Michael Bay. A few people -- who don't seem to understand that I am no longer in control of the property -- want me to stop this, somehow. Obviously, I can't do that, even if I wanted to.

But I would actually encourage TMNT fans to swallow the "chill pill" Mr. Bay recently suggested they take, and wait and see what might come out of this seemingly ill-conceived plan. It's possible that with enough truly creative brainpower applied to this idea, it might actually work. I'm not saying it's probable, or even somewhat likely… but it IS possible.

However, as I have pondered this further, I have realized that in one way it IS truly a genius notion. Let me explain…




Over the years, I have made no secret of my distaste for what I consider to be the weak, facile, creatively bankrupt idea which can be summed up like this:

"If FOUR Ninja Turtles are good, then FIVE (or more) Ninja Turtles MUST be better!"

It was in large part this brain-dead notion that led to the creation of the execrable "Venus de Milo" character in the blessedly short-lived live action TV series "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: The Next Mutation". And I can't tell you how many times we got mail in the early years of the Turtles from people who thought it was simply an amazing idea to do a "fifth Turtle", and how many times those same people suggested that this fifth Turtle be named "Picasso". And many times, the brilliant idea to explain this extra Turtle was that, instead of there being just four pet shop turtles in that glass bowl in the origin story, there were really FIVE.

Sigh.

I'll admit -- I have played with the idea of more Turtles myself, a few times. There was the character of "Kirby", the "fifth Turtle" that Kevin Eastman and I came up with for one of the several movie ideas which never came to fruition. And I created the "Super Turtles" in Volume 4 of the TMNT comics published by Mirage… and they eventually appeared in one episode of the 4Kids animated TMNT TV series.

But…

… in both those instances, I was careful to make these Turtles not just MORE of the same, i.e. just extra TMNT. In both of the above cases, the extra Turtles were from other dimensions… and the Super Turtles, especially, were VERY different from the Ninja Turtles. I don't remember all the details of the work we did on that "Kirby the Fifth Turtle" thing, but I DO remember being adamant that if we were going to agree to the idea of a "fifth Turtle", it would have to be something other than the harebrained "there was an extra Turtle in the bowl, etc." idea.

Is that too fine a line? Yeah, maybe… but to my way of thinking, anyway, it is a CLEAR line.

Anyway, to get back to the "TMNT are aliens" thing -- the reason I say it could be a "genius" idea is that -- for the first time -- someone has come up with a way to have as many freakin' Turtles as they want. I mean, if the TMNT are actually members of an alien race, there could be a whole PLANET of them! Joy. -- PL


UPDATE: I asked Peter if his comment, "I have realized that in one way it IS truly a genius notion" was sarcastic or genuine, he replied, "Both, actually."

He also responded to another member that commented on his blog, with this message.

"You know, I've been kind of impressed with the volume and intensity of fan reaction to this alien idea. It makes me wonder what the reaction would have been had the producer of the upcoming "Superman" movie announced that instead of Kal-El being an alien from the planet Krypton, they would be making him a mutant created on Earth by KryptoBioGenetics, Inc..

That's almost as wacky. -- PL"





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marvel72 - 3/21/2012, 4:46 PM
when the co-creator defends bay you've got no chance of getting it changed.

don't like it boycott the movie.
Ashdm - 3/21/2012, 4:58 PM
Well, it's hardly a genius idea.

Alien races are used pretty freakin often in sci fi, adapting a unique idea into a more generic concept is the OPPOSITE of genius.

I feel like this movie is going to be a Transformers rip-off, but with turtles instead of robots.
RorMachine - 3/21/2012, 4:58 PM
So many sites are misinterpreting this..he's saying its genius sarcastically, because now they can come up with a whole planet of Turtles! ..and he doesn't like that idea. This is not SIDING with Bay!
RorMachine - 3/21/2012, 5:07 PM
Nail you left off Laird's sign out at the end..

Joy. -- PL

Might help with the sarcasm translation.
TrueRedBlue - 3/21/2012, 5:10 PM
This is an iffy idea. You can re-imagine all you want, that's what makes these things fresh and cool, but messing with key things like the origin isn't right. You change so much that it doesn't even seem like the same thing you remember from your childhood. And any amount of change that makes it to where the title TMNT can't even be used anymore, is a little too much change.
MovieMann - 3/21/2012, 5:10 PM
I imagine that he was paid to agree with Bay's ideas
Irons - 3/21/2012, 5:10 PM
The number of movies with aliens... is too damn high.
DukeAcureds - 3/21/2012, 5:12 PM
I see what he's saying. It is not likely that this idea could work and it probably won't. But it is still within the realms of possibility. If Laird did an alternate version of TMNT, like Planet of the Turtles, wherein ninja-esque turtles are at war with Triceratons over a matter transporter created by The Fugitoid, then it could work.
luxterg - 3/21/2012, 5:12 PM
@RorMachine, you're spot on! This is him being 100% sarcastic.

"it might actually work. I'm not saying it's probable, or even somewhat likely… but it IS possible."

He's basically saying that just like santa claus, or god might exist... this movie may be good. Anything is possible.

I for one enjoy Michael Bay movies, but if the turtles are aliens, I may actually boycott this movie... first time I'll ever boycott anything, but TMNT was sacred to me growing up and Bay better not mess it up!
nailbiter111 - 3/21/2012, 5:13 PM
ror what does PL stand for?
Dano078 - 3/21/2012, 5:13 PM
I'm with Ror on this....I thought he was being sarcastic also.
CoolantTech - 3/21/2012, 5:15 PM
What a crock a shit, there's Michael Bay again destroying yet another classic, for [frick]s sake somebody needs vegetate this dipshit, and take over his company.
RorMachine - 3/21/2012, 5:15 PM
Peter Laird
Geeksiah - 3/21/2012, 5:15 PM
The point a lot of you are missing is legally he can't say anything against bay and it's in his best interest to agree.

also... money makes whores of us all.
nailbiter111 - 3/21/2012, 5:16 PM
I keep reading it over and over and I get that he is sarcastic about the notion of more turtles, but he emphasis "IS" a genius notion to go the alien route of adding more turtles if you are gonna making more than four. He has more of an issue with having more turtles, but if it must be done he seems to be open to the alien explanation. That is how I read it.
DoctorRobert - 3/21/2012, 5:16 PM
[frick] Michael Bay! all his movies are garbage.
he is just going to ruin this like he did with the transformers.
Luminus - 3/21/2012, 5:16 PM
There's already a planet of turtles, which could be where Bay got his idea from:

nailbiter111 - 3/21/2012, 5:17 PM
lol, ah duh, pl peter laird brain fart
Lert - 3/21/2012, 5:17 PM
they agree that Bay makes tons of money to do whatever he wants to and therefore its his decision to make the green Fkrs alien.. Money grubbin in hollywood knows that only avenger fans are going to see this anyway so what the hell would it hurt?
DoctorRobert - 3/21/2012, 5:17 PM
if i could i would kick him in the balls :) do you think they would explode? lol
JustinMSalvato - 3/21/2012, 5:19 PM
ronnie42 - 3/21/2012, 5:19 PM
its a stupid idea, if we want alien turtles bring in a race similar to them but don't change the original plot.

no wonder a lot of people hate hollywood, did you not learn anything from the dragonball/doom movie?
Coloso - 3/21/2012, 5:19 PM
I looked at it Ror and you could be right, but if it is sarcasm it is so hard to detect. That little word "joy" hints at what you mean, but again, don't know...shrug.
Gutts81 - 3/21/2012, 5:19 PM
*Le'sigh* I dont really have problem with this whole "new" take on TMNT. My real problem is M.Bay will really water down the idea that made it an original idea in the first place. TF was a [frick] franchise despite it being uber successful. And now he(M.Bay) is going make TMNT a supermodel/American car/Lens flare/explosion feast for the eyes only,and with out heart.
JustinMSalvato - 3/21/2012, 5:20 PM
Turtles come from Earth.

eff you Bay and eff you defenders of Bay.
RorMachine - 3/21/2012, 5:21 PM
He seems to be genuine about wanting people to wait and see what else is said, but this can not in ANY way be seen as a defense of Bay. I would change the title to " Co-Creator Responds To..."

Here is more from Laird in the comments section..

"These Turtles are from an alien race." That is Michael Bay's exact quote. Now, I suppose if you look at it sideways, with your eyes half-closed, through a glass, darkly, and from a distance in low light, you MIGHT be able to interpret "These Turtles are from an alien race" in the manner you suggest. if that IS, in fact, what Mr. Bay meant, it has to go down in history as one of THE most poorly articulated statements EVER.

However, it IS remotely possible, and I still think TMNT fans really should wait until their worst fears are confirmed (or not) before getting up in arms (or not). -- PL


hogowar - 3/21/2012, 5:21 PM
Was bay definitely giving the game away or possibly could it possibly just be bullpoo!
Seems as absurd an idea as having Tom cruise play a 6'5" , 220-250lb ex military cop and ha! Like that would ever happen...
blueorangeny - 3/21/2012, 5:21 PM
WOOOOOOOW


Somebody is getting paid under the table. What the hell is going on here. This shit seems like the true fans are not going to win. I say we boycott. I know regular movie goers will check it out, little kids who don't know better but shit the true should avoid the flick if this indeed becomes realty
RaleighAntrobus - 3/21/2012, 5:21 PM
[frick] Bay regardless.
nowtheresaBATman - 3/21/2012, 5:23 PM
Bay needs to blow HIMSELF up NOW. Sell outs & greedheads raping another classic.
JustinMSalvato - 3/21/2012, 5:24 PM
ironpool007 - 3/21/2012, 5:24 PM
I wonder what Kevin Eastman thinks
MartianSupermanhunter22 - 3/21/2012, 5:25 PM
CRY MORE YOU F***ING TWATS.
P862010 - 3/21/2012, 5:25 PM
in the comics the ooze that mutated them was created by a group of aliens known as the Utroms.

so grow up fanboys
JustinMSalvato - 3/21/2012, 5:26 PM
nowtheresaBATman - 3/21/2012, 5:27 PM
drown in OOZE Bay! & I hope Splinter bites a hole in your thoat & jams his walking stick down it.
JustinMSalvato - 3/21/2012, 5:27 PM
cmax - 3/21/2012, 5:28 PM
Hope the new animated series is at least something worthwhile.
Coloso - 3/21/2012, 5:29 PM
@P862010, gee your on a site created for "fanboys".

What is that saying-the pot calling the...
jameshowlett2151 - 3/21/2012, 5:29 PM
I'm sure the turtles won't be aliens but the ooze may be a "primordial ooze" from another planet that creates or alters life, a la evolution. Thus making common earth turtles, mutate with this "alien" substance. Makes since. At least u hope because if 4 turtles get off a spaceship I will kill Michael bay myself.
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