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David Goyer Talks Ghost Rider 2

Goyer spoke exclusively to MTV about the next Ghost Rider movie, which will NOT be a reboot...
We already know that Ghost Rider 2 will be based on the script David Goyer wrote several years back..but significantly more family friendly than his pretty hard R treatment. But we were never sure if the next movie would continue on the story of Nic Cage's Johnny Blaze, or be a complete reboot..until now...

"It's not exactly a reboot," said Goyer, who's currently hard at work on his "FlashForward" television series. "I hate to say it's more realistic, because he's got a flaming skull for a head, but it's a bit more stripped down and darker. It's definitely changing tone. What Casino Royal was to the Bond movies, hopefully this will be to Ghost Rider"

The Ghost Rider sequel is scheduled to "roll before cameras next year," according to Goyer, who also said that Nicolas Cage is currently still attached to the lead role of Johnny Blaze.

"This story picks up eight years after the first film," said Goyer. "You don't have to have seen the first film. It doesn't contradict anything that happened in the first film, but we're pretending that our audience hasn't seen the first film. It's as if you took that same character where things ended in the first film and then picked it up eight years later—he's just in a much darker, existential place."

"My script is out there on the Internet," he said. "We're not changing much from it. It'll be significantly the same script."

Sounds like an Incredible Hulk style "requel" to me. No bad thing. Sure the first movie was pretty bad, but nothing that can't be rectified with a better script...lets hope Goyer's need to PG13 it down doesn't mean we don't see that happen.
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111 Comments

Cool stuff!!

[frick] Reboots!!

; D
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 10:40 AM


I is WATCHING you lot! : D
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 10:42 AM
Yeah frick Reboots!!!!

Its nice to see that there will be some continuity! Especially with Nic Cage repriseing the role!! :D

Can't wait!!
Icemantong - 11/4/2009, 10:44 AM
I like this idea alot better than the whole 'reboot' shtick everyone is on about. Has the word 'requel' been copy written yet?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/4/2009, 10:45 AM
It's Hollywood Poni...

somebody owns that shit.
BillyBlack - 11/4/2009, 10:46 AM
Sounds great but will Nicolas Cage be in it, he wants to be in everything comic related it seems like.
ClintEastwood - 11/4/2009, 10:47 AM
Hey, how's it going... i'm just... ya know... posting... and stuff.
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 10:48 AM
If they "requel" this, they better make absolutely sure that it's perfect before going through with it. I still have a bad taste in my mouth left from the first one.
SithforHire - 11/4/2009, 10:49 AM
ClintEastwood- I'd prefer getting Jen Garner for a sequel to Elektra than getting Nic Cage for another CBM. That's how much i liked Cage's interpretation of GR.

SithforHire- They did think that the first one seemed perfect before shooting it.
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 10:51 AM
Poni, Im not actually sure where I first came across that word...but it certainly suits Incredible Hulk, seems to suit what Ghost Rider 2 will be.

Dragonquest, we Know your Luffy!..just admit it, go on, go on, go on go on go on...
Rorschach01 - 11/4/2009, 10:52 AM
Yeah... go on, go on, go on go on go on...
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 10:53 AM
NICK CAGE IS STILL GHOST RIDER THOUGH SO....STILL NOT INTERESTED YET. HE WAS COMPLETELY WRONG FOR THE ROLE, THE WHOLE MOVIE WAS CAST HORRIBLY
dellamorte1872 - 11/4/2009, 10:53 AM
[frick] [frick] [frick] REBOOTS!! : D

DRAGON @ We know who you are lol!

CAGE is GHOST RIDER!!!
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 10:55 AM
Clive Owen would tare that ass up on his flamin' hog!!!
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 10:55 AM
CLIVE OWEN is MAGNETO! ; D
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 10:57 AM
@ Shaman: [frick]ing gross! Clive Owen would ass rape his gay pig!?!? =D
BmanHall - 11/4/2009, 10:59 AM
@Shaman-Good call on that one!!! I can't stand Cage.
ecksmanfan - 11/4/2009, 10:59 AM


MAGS says NO!!
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 11:05 AM
"Clive Owen would tare that ass up on his flamin' hog!!!"

Ummmm....I don't think my commentary is really needed. HA HA HA! That's just.... beautiful.

Nicholas Cage I think is best cast as a sleezy dirt bag. He just looks like a sneaky [frick]er who would steal your shit and have bad breath. A lot like his character in Raising Arizona. I don't think he'll ever find a better role to fit him. Nicholas Cage as an action star is totally unbelieveable because I can't get passed the image of him getting caught putting the baby that he stole back into the crib he stole it from. Con-Air can suck on my Con-Dick.
FlashThompson - 11/4/2009, 11:15 AM
Clive Owen would be great as Ghost Rider, Shoot 'Em Up was awesome!
ClintEastwood - 11/4/2009, 11:16 AM
I think Depp would make a good Ghost Rider, he was first on Marvel's list to play him the first time, i think he'd do a good job.
Ryden - 11/4/2009, 11:19 AM
oi Luffycapri, Ya got problems man.

You created another user name because your addicted to spamming anime??
DarthMulder - 11/4/2009, 11:21 AM
@ Shaman: Yeah, I guess they did. What I should have said was that they need to make sure that they make none of the mistakes that they did last time. Rewrite twenty times if you have to, just make sure it is nothing like the first one.

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that Nic Cage can't act. Seriously, he talks the same way in all his movies. The only movie of his that I like is Raising Arizona.
SithforHire - 11/4/2009, 11:22 AM
@LEEE777@ Love your magneto pick! He needs to be put in someones x men movie fan-cast.
SHHH - 11/4/2009, 11:23 AM
@Ror: I like the word! I think someone should secure the rights to it ;)

MultiPurposePoni - 11/4/2009, 11:26 AM
Yeah I dont get the big deal with Con Air either. A few explosions and some bad hair..big deal. Cage can be great though. Not only Raising Arizona. Leaving Las Vegas, Wild At Heart, Birdy...he just phones it in these days cos hes a lazy bastard!
Rorschach01 - 11/4/2009, 11:30 AM
God why is everyone so in love with Depp!? Yeah he's good at playing Keith Richards but has anyone seen the secret window? God that movie sucked... Ghost Rider is about a guy who gets demon powers, this movie should be dark and gritty like the first Blade movie. i don't think this movie calls for a reboot but at least make this one good. The first movie was a pile of crap. Blackheart got completely screwed over. Oh and Clive Owen is awesome and would make a great Magneto or Batman.
SolidSnake007 - 11/4/2009, 11:34 AM
@Ror: Yeah, Leaving Las Vegas was the epitome of Cage's career. None of his other roles can beat that, but Family guy and The Weather Man are a close second and third IMO
MultiPurposePoni - 11/4/2009, 11:34 AM
ill see it.
superdog - 11/4/2009, 11:37 AM
BmanHall- HA!!!!! LOL :P

SithforHire- Yep, that sounds better LOL :P

I don't know who came up with Clive Owen for GR first, but the guy's a genius obviously. As for Cage, the only film of his i would ever buy at full price is Family Man. That film was awesome!!! The rest is all meh to me.
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 11:38 AM
SHHH @ ; )

SHAMAN @ Having OWEN as GR is nearly as bad as having Ackles for CAP! ..... I said nearly! ; D
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 11:42 AM
@LEEE: Ummmm. . what?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/4/2009, 11:45 AM
everytime i see "darker" it cracks me up. Batmanhas set a trend i see.
MsKyle08 - 11/4/2009, 11:47 AM
JENSEN ACKLES FOR GHOST RIDER!
OR RYAN REYNOLDS :D
ClintEastwood - 11/4/2009, 11:49 AM
mskyle@ he has, but ghost rider should have been darker from the beginning. it was the studios fault for messing it up in the first place. its not like trying to make fantastic four darker which is stupid. i see this as hollywood finally realizing that dark characters should be dark and stay dark.
superdog - 11/4/2009, 11:51 AM
they wont do that.Diluting is better for them so they can get the rating they want ergo major success at the box office. Hell the comic books out now, i wouldn't even let my lil sister read it. Selfish, greedy and lazy. We should go there and kick their collective asses!
MsKyle08 - 11/4/2009, 11:53 AM
"Pretty hard R treatment"? What is he referring to?

I thought the first one was pretty awesome. They're just doing what The Dark Knight did. First, they set up the character as who he is in the first movie. Now, they are putting him into his "world".
Fartman - 11/4/2009, 11:56 AM
anyone better than that
twat that played him be4
grrrrr lol
lc - 11/4/2009, 12:02 PM
CLINT @ Lmao!!! ; D

lc @ Tut tut tut.

Multi @ What what??!
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 12:10 PM
LEEE777- EXPLAIN!!!



Shaman - 11/4/2009, 12:20 PM
@LEEE: You fixed the typo that I was questioning. Disregard :)
MultiPurposePoni - 11/4/2009, 12:23 PM
Okay, i'm still lost lol???
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 12:44 PM
Wow, this will probably be a piece of sh*t, maybe even bigger than the first GR, if that's possible.

Listen Mr. Goyer, I can handle a sequel to GR, as long as there is actual effort put in. You've shown some competence (not a whole lot, but some) as a writer. What I CAN NOT HANDLE is Nic Cage back as Johnny Blaze. RECAST HIM.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/4/2009, 12:45 PM
Yeah if they recast Cage and his hairline im not watching.
MsKyle08 - 11/4/2009, 12:49 PM
Yeah, this sounds very much like an Incredible Hulk style sequel...cant say Im all that excited for this though!
joshw24 - 11/4/2009, 1:02 PM
As Ryden said, Depp might have been a good blaze, but instead we got stuck with the man with no hairline. I hope it's a good requel (wow, another ridiculous hollywood word for reboot), but the first was so bad, that it's gonna take alot of work to fix the damage
supermarioworldE - 11/4/2009, 1:03 PM
@dragonquest

all the same, can you stop posting those damn vids?!
supermarioworldE - 11/4/2009, 1:05 PM
@supermarioworldE- I know we need a proper reboot instead of a requel thing,

@solidsnake007- You cant judge a whole actor's career on one bad movie especially an actor as good as Johnny Depp, every actor has a bad movie man. That was his.
Ryden - 11/4/2009, 1:08 PM
DRAGON @ Lmao man, wasn't me who got mad lol!

Just messing about with LUFFY spray! : D

TYLER @ Lol, tough luck buddy CAGE is back where he belongs!!

Recasting is for pussies!! ; D
LEEE777 - 11/4/2009, 1:08 PM
im with my man LEE F them! Thank god the first one was great it did need to be alittle bit darker but the movie was awsome. Mebey will get that in the second one. Im so sick of the reeboot shit! incredable hulk was good but it diden't have to be redone. It's time to end it if there somthing you guys don't like in the first then keep the same people and put it in the second film, im sure you all heard of sequill. And i hope they do the same thing for dare devil. or do somehting like what they did with punisher. Call it Dare Devil, Man with out fear and don't make it an origan story just go into telling the movie.
Logan-X - 11/4/2009, 1:15 PM
"back where he belongs"

You can't be serious. You actually think Cage BELONGS as Ghost Rider?!

THIS GUY



BELONGS AS THIS GUY???!!!


InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/4/2009, 1:16 PM
@Ryden

It's just that they messed up almost everything i like about ghost rider in the first film. I'm not too fond of reboots, but honestly, how can they fix up what happened? It seems like a reboot might have been the best idea. I do like the idea of depp as blaze.

@logan x

"Thank god the first one was great it did need to be alittle bit darker but the movie was awsome."

dude, you're joking right?

btw, you should use spell check every now and then
supermarioworldE - 11/4/2009, 1:24 PM
@Tyler-Exactly, Depp all the way!!!
Ryden - 11/4/2009, 1:24 PM
Cage isnt a good choice for Ghost Rider - he's too bloody old for a start!!! If Marvel werent in the middle of planning on announcing Jensen Ackles as Captain America, he'd make a much better Johnny Blaze! ;D
joshw24 - 11/4/2009, 1:26 PM
Lee lol oh well that's old news .

lets just hope this movies better than the first


dragonquest67 - 11/4/2009, 1:29 PM
well the guy is from hell it had better be dark.
thunderforce - 11/4/2009, 1:32 PM
I don't really know who I want for Blaze. Depp I can't really picture. Ackles would be great but he's Cap ;)

Tough casting.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/4/2009, 1:34 PM
Well, Clive Owen's character "Dwight" in Sin City is very close to what Blaze should be in the sequel. So i say just tell a good n' dark GR story and have Clive kick some ass. How hard is that to imagine???
Shaman - 11/4/2009, 1:55 PM
TYLER: If you get chance, check out my Inhumans cast - Id like to know what you think! :)
joshw24 - 11/4/2009, 2:10 PM
why cant they do th dan ketch version?!
torched4 - 11/4/2009, 2:38 PM
confucius say you build house on pile of sh%t and it will stink REAL BAD.
antz1104 - 11/4/2009, 2:40 PM
how about sam from supernatural? he could do dark and could act good and could fight if you see supernatural and firday the 13
flames809 - 11/4/2009, 3:32 PM
GHOST RIDER...please stop its too painful either rated R or not at all, and no Cage dammit
RomeyRome2002 - 11/4/2009, 3:49 PM
flames809: I personally think that he would make a better Nova! Go to Fan Fic and find my New Warriors fan cast and you'll see what I mean!
joshw24 - 11/4/2009, 3:53 PM
Oh God no, Ackles is terrible for Cap and is terrible for Ghost Rider, he should just be Hawkeye so we don't have to witness the bastardization of a great character, sorry to all you Ackles fans but the guy can't be every superhero in comic book history, especially if he has 0 % acting skill.
Depp was Marvel's original choice and Depp is a great actor, Depp for Blaze.
Ryden - 11/4/2009, 4:35 PM
EH, IM OK WITH NICK CAGE PLAYING GHOST RIDER, HELL, HIS FACE BURNS OFF GUYS..ALL THATS GHOSTRIDER IS A DUDE WITH HIS HEAD CGI-ED
GUNSMITH - 11/4/2009, 4:41 PM
ACKLES FOR MICHAEL KNIGHT FOR A KNIGHT RIDER TV REBOOT SERIES!!!
GUNSMITH - 11/4/2009, 4:43 PM
tired of reboots, it was nescessary for Batman, and it will be for Superman, but there's no reason for a Fantastic 4 reboot,F 4 movies were not that good, it was not Batman and Robin, they were ok, it just need a better script for the third one, more darker and same actors. Ghost Rider is far to be our favorite hero, so i just expect a ok movie, i hope the sequel is better than the last one, but don't reebot
brazilianbatman - 11/4/2009, 4:51 PM
@GUNSMITH, WITH YOU ALL THE WAY!!!
Juskool2000 - 11/4/2009, 5:09 PM
Ackles would be perfect for ghost rider. Depp should be focused on Dr. Strange and Cage should just burn in hell for the first Ghost rider movie.

123456 - 11/4/2009, 6:20 PM
I am pleased to see what they are doing with it... Dosn't really soud like the hulks treatment to me, the hulk was 100% rebooted.......
Evil1991 - 11/4/2009, 6:28 PM
Ryden: Have you ever seen Ackles act? He's a great actor, as can be seen weekly in Supernatural!
joshw24 - 11/4/2009, 6:38 PM
Here we go again! Evil1991, how was Incredible Hulk a total reboot? It began where the last movie ended in South America! Yeah they slightly altered a few events from Lee's movie with a 60 second opening montage, but a true reboot would have went back to the origin in its entirety..it didn't. They got the best of both worlds. Because believe it or not, there are fans of the first Hulk out there!(im one of them), and obviously there are people that would rather eat razor blades than sit through it..so they continued on the story..but just added more action, more humor, changed the cast(for the worse in all cases except for Norton) and bobs your uncle: Requel!

Josh, after hearing about the mighty Ackles for so long I decided to check out a couple of episodes of Supernatural. Meh. He's certainly not bad, and in fairness, he looks like Laurence [frick]ing Olivier next to that other lanky waste of space Padelacki, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. maybe if I kept watching, but it just didn't hook me enough to do so.
Rorschach01 - 11/4/2009, 7:31 PM
@josh- I've seen him act and I've yet to be impressed, watched him on Smallville, watched the first season of Supernatural. Both shows were okay and his acting was-meh. TV actor. He should reeally stay that way because if you were to bring him in as the lead in a big budget hollywood movie he'd fail. BIG TIME. And Chris Hemswoorth is different because not only as he been on film for the last two years his indie projects like Cash show that the guy can really act.

@Rorschach- Hulk WAS 100% rebooted they even said it on the DVD extras. The fact that they started it where the last movie left off doesn't even matter since in the original cut of the film it started off in Antartica, what would be the point in being in South America, then go to Antartica just to come back again? And the first Hulk movie was terrible. So glad they re-booted that.


Ryden - 11/5/2009, 1:35 AM
@ clinteastwood

lol, shoot 'em up was looney toons with guns, lol. god what a horrible movie.
CorndogBurglar - 11/5/2009, 4:58 AM
Oh well then If "they" said it it must be true... USE YOUR EYERS MAN! Yes, if they had of started it in Antarctica then maybe..but they didn't did they? No, they set it in South America where the last film ended..why not South Africa? Europe? Why so specific a detail from the other movie? Because they wanted to tie them in. I have also heard the director say as much in interviews. REQUEL!!
Rorschach01 - 11/5/2009, 5:04 AM
@ ror

yeah man, the incredible hulk WAS a total reboot. like ryden said, they say it on the DVD extras, AND marvel announced that before the movie even came out. not to mention, the origin they show in the flashback is nothing like the origin in lee's hulk.
CorndogBurglar - 11/5/2009, 5:08 AM
@CDB, despite the bit about it starting up in Brazil the fact that the film makers themselves say it's a reboot is good enough for me. An artist truly is the final authority on his own work.

@ Ror: However (re)quel is an excellent word. Save that for something for which it is (re)levent
DarthMulder - 11/5/2009, 5:32 AM
@Ror- The directer even said it was a re-boot, the origins were completley different, if they wanted to connect it to the 2003 they would have done so but they didn't, they ignored that movie completley and went with the better storyline. Marvel even compared the 2003 film to a one-shot Hulk comic and the Incredible Hulk was the mainstream Hulk that we all know. REBOOT.
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 6:15 AM
Ror@ i have also seen a comment from the director classing it as a reboot....and Marvel's status on the movie is a reboot, the only reason the original ending wasnt used was cus of Marvel finding suicide too dark a concept....i dont understand after all the changes and confesions of reboot that anyone could think its connected because of geography lol :P
teabag - 11/5/2009, 6:50 AM
I have to confess though you guys, I didn't hate GR.

The plot was weak, and the villians were horrible but other than that it was fine IMO. Including Cage as Johnny Blaze. Yep I said it.. I don't hate Nick Cage. The acting was adeuqate.
OK sure he threw a little bit of his classic Sailor Ripley thing into it, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

In GR comics, especially with the Johnny Blaze GR, which is my favorite by far, all he and Roxanne ever seemed to do was try and hang in there and hope he never hurt any innocent people. Their lives were dominated by the curse so unlike Spider Man or Cap or somebody where we get to know the character really well, there was an ambiguity to the personality of the guy.
What can be said about the character? He's an adrenaline junky. He has power but he fears using it because when the demon comes out he's not in control. His life is a mess because he's struggling with forces he can't comprehend. I think those things all came through QUITE nicely in the movie.
That is as much as I could ever ask for in a movie version of Johnny Blaze. And because there is a certain ambiguity with the chracter, Cage's interpretation was just fine.
DarthMulder - 11/5/2009, 6:55 AM
ROR: Lol! You should stick with it - some episodes can be a bit hit and miss but if you look online and find the Season 5 episode, "The End" then you'll see just how right he is for Cap! :) If you've just started from Season 1 though, again stick with it because I wasnt too keen on it to begin with but it gets a hell of a lot better!

Ryden: Meh, I personally wouldnt have chosen a guy who was in the first few minutes of Star Trek and an average summer movie to be qualified to play Thor (although I think he's a good choice) so IMO a decent TV actor is more than qualified to play Captain America when compared to Hemsworth!
joshw24 - 11/5/2009, 6:57 AM
I personaly would have pulled for Hemsworth for Cap as much as Ackles. Both fit the profile and have the skills IMO.

Ror- I'm with you with the term "requel" for TIH. It's exactly what it was. And letterier said it himself when the movie came out in theaters. He said it depends on the person watching it. Those were his own words. Now whether he changed his mind in the dvd extras is beside the point that he publically stated that it could be concidered either or. End of debate.
Shaman - 11/5/2009, 7:50 AM
Thank you Shaman! Someone that has actually thought about it instead of just going along with the general spiel. Hoe can any of you say no connection? IT STARTED...WHERE THE OTHER MOVIE....ENDED!!!!!!!!..if thats not a connection what the [frick] is! If they wanted to completely distance their movie from Lee's then why didn't they? Why not restart the story from the beginning, go back to the gamma radiation origin, have Rick Jones in their? Do they think they said

"ok, this is our movie, new direction, we want an entirely different take on this character...now, the last movie had Banner in exile in Brazil..so thats where we will be starting our movie..just so everyone knows there is absolutely no connection!!"

Pleeeeeeease. Believe what you want, Im looking at it as a rebooted sequel because..thats what it is!
Rorschach01 - 11/5/2009, 8:07 AM
Ror@ if Leteroeoeoeorrr is indeed saying many differant things to differant people than its neither one or the other so stating "thats what it is" can not be true lol..also before it was released he has commented that he was worried doing a reboot that follows Ang Lees movie...he meant this as in people loved or hated the first and was concerned with his movie following that, but many have misenturprited his words. Again people can beleive what they wish but just because he is in Brazil and everything else down to the smallest detail is differant doesnt mean its connected :)

But i feel this convo is a requel lol :D

As for GR....i enjoyed it as much as Wolverine and neither stuck to the source material, in fact Wolverine was probably more faithful to the character than GR was to Johnny Blaze...nothing about Johnny in GR was depicted like that in the comics :)
teabag - 11/5/2009, 8:16 AM
@Josh- But he's done much more than that, after TV Hemsworth did a lot of indie films which show-cased his acting ability, like Ca$h, that movie was good. And now Hollywood has recognised his talent by putting him in larger roles and bigger movies like Star Trek and now Thor. The "unknown" thing isn't the problem, it's his acting ability that is. The thing is Hemsworth has proven he can act and we know he looks like Thor so theres no problem there, however Ackles has yet to show off great acting ability so far he's only done moderatley good tv shows like Smallville and Supernatural, his movie credits include My Bloody Valentine 3-D and Devour, two crappy horror movies which he was in and sucked in. In all fairness to him though I've never seen devour but a friend of mine has and he says it's pretty bad. My Bloody valentine was just awful and ackles wasn't to great either, you've got to admit that.
Also he doesn;t even look that much like Cap, I mean you can get any young TV actor die his hair blonde and he would have as much credibility to play Cap as ackles does. The age thing isn't the biggest deal with Cap, liberties can be taken. I mean would you rather have a solid actor like Dicaprio or Eckhart who you know can pull off the role easily play the part and only have one piece of the comic book history missing, and a minor part at that or some young pretty boy actor who can't act and looks kind of like Cap play the part but you could leave saying "at least they got the age right". Y'know? If Marvel were to cast Ackles as Cap, I wouldn't watch it.

Jesus that was a long post. You unleashed my inner geek Josh LOL :D
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 9:20 AM
Exkhart shouts like a lil girl...cant stand the bloke :D
teabag - 11/5/2009, 10:01 AM
@Tea- Ackles is a pretty boy, kind of like him but he's not right for Cap ;)
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 10:52 AM
Ryden@lol it all comes down to preferance i suppose :)
teabag - 11/5/2009, 11:11 AM
@tea-guess so ;)
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 11:33 AM
Okay all of you "authority figures", here goes: The day TIH came out, there was an article in the LIFE section of USA Today in which Louis Letterier stated that TIH was, in fact, a "re-quel", meaning it did NOT directly contradict the events in the 2003 Hulk! Obviously the origin story was changed to mirror the one used in the old TV series! Other than that, this is basically true!

The term 're-quel" came from Letterier, and I believe, Avi Arad!! Any comments made on the DVD extras are back -peddling, I assure you! When I find that article I will post it!!


JonF - 11/5/2009, 3:25 PM
@JonF- The number of times he's said Reboot out number the amount of times he said requel, Ed Norton even said he wouldn't have done the movie if it was any form of sequel to be told it was a requel he wouldn't do it, theres more evidence supporting that it's a reboot, the origins are completley different, if it was any form of sequel something that big wouldn't be changed, the location the movie started in doesn't count because not only was the original cut of the film set in Antartica first and then South America but during the credits at the start there are newspaper articles saying the Hulk has been spotted all over, so if it was a form of sequel that would mean Hulk ended up in south america, then went back to America, then Canada and the likes, then Anartica to kill himself then South America again? What would be the point? They chose South America because Brazil is an interesting location for the Hulk to be in, it gives a good envoirement for the Hulk. Obviously Ang Lee felt the same, leaving the idea for a sequel. REBOOT my friend ;)
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 3:46 PM
The hulk is a weird franchise: it starts in South America w/ him on the run (sorry to everyone that saw the deleted antartica scene, he could have gone back to south america AFTER he found out he couldn't kill himself.)But then the flashback where he turned for the first time was WAY different from the first movie w/ him killing ppl.

@ Josh: I agree, I love Supernatural and right now Ackles is the man (despite Bloody Valentine). Ppl shouldn't judge him by his crappy stint on Smallville or even the first season of Supernatural. It got progressively better.
antz1104 - 11/5/2009, 3:46 PM
Ryden - So you admit that LL has used the term? Ha! TIH starting in Brazil doesn't count to you because it doesn't support your point! Face it, you're WRONG!!! And screw the "Director's Cut"! THAT'S what doesn't count! If it did then why didn't it make it into theatres? Stop correcting me, son. It leads to nowhere!
JonF - 11/5/2009, 3:53 PM
JonF@ Fact is even Kevin Feige has stated to Variety that it was a reboot...Norton has said its a reboot.....so if the guys involved cant get there stories straight how can you be correct with your assumptions? :)
teabag - 11/5/2009, 4:32 PM
@JonF- Did you just call me son? I'm not wrong at all, if anything you've just proved I'm right. Just because he said the word "requel" doesn't make it correct that's one point on the side of the requel next to loads of points supporting the reboot. Everyone said it was a reboot. EVERYONE. One person says requel once and al of a sudden it's something else? Doesn't work like that man. Also why are you being so immature on the subject, we're just debating this man.

@Tea- Exactly :D
Ryden - 11/5/2009, 5:07 PM
DONT [frick] WITH THE CAGE MAN!!! He was the best in Ghost Rider in my opinion.
Retribution13 - 11/5/2009, 5:53 PM
The first movie was pretty fun to watch. I wouldn't mind a second helping.
DAn COnnelly - 11/5/2009, 7:07 PM
did anyone notice cap's shield buried in the snow in the antarctica scene of TIH?

@ jonf

take it easy man. apparently the guy has said both things at different times. there are people that have heard/read that it was a "requel", and there are those that have heard/read that its a total reboot. what you heard doesn't make you more right than what others heard. stop being a prick.
CorndogBurglar - 11/5/2009, 9:24 PM
@FlashThompson- You must be crazy. Nic Cage kicked major ass in Con-Air.
TonyDark - 11/5/2009, 9:44 PM
@corndog burglar- Yeah I know, he went a bit crazy LOL
Ryden - 11/6/2009, 1:21 AM
Flash are you kidding me that Forrest Gump wannabe Rambo performance was a joke. Im going to save the day Jenny. Nic Cage is a terrible actor hes got to be carried through every movie. Lets look at some of his performances of genius. Face off love the movie Travolta carried it not Cage, How about The Rock, good think Sean Connery is a good actor and i hope he got paid alot of money for having to carry Cage around.

123456 - 11/6/2009, 6:58 AM
@ ryden

yeah, he was being a dick.

cage plays the same character in every movie he's in. that is not a good actor...
CorndogBurglar - 11/6/2009, 7:57 AM
Well, when I hear Nic Cage's Johnny Blaze, I keep thinking of him as "Sailor" in "wild at Heart"...

And, of course, the best part of that movie, Laura Dern's "duck down"...heh.
bropous - 11/6/2009, 10:05 AM
I didn't think that Nic Cage was good in Con-Air, I think Dave Chappelle was the only bright spot in the movie.
@Tony Dark = Call me crazy I just can't believe Nic Cage as a hero. He's too sneaky, and sleazy seeming.
FlashThompson - 11/6/2009, 10:07 AM
Jude Law for GHOST RIDER.
OSCURO - 11/6/2009, 12:07 PM
teabag - They're not "assumptions", it was quoted in the newspapers!

Ryden - It's hard to convey sarcasm without the benefit of hearing one's voice! But the person in question - Letterier - is the one who came up with the term!! He's just back-peddling now because the movie was a success!

My annoyance lies with the fact that people that post on this site think that they're point of view is the word of God! Most of what's said on here is opinion anyway! If I didn't know what I was talking about, I wouldn't bother posting anything!!

Anyone notice TheMyth posting anything lately? No? That's because he got pissed at all of the BS that goes on on these boards!! Myth knew what he was talking about, but got tired of beating a dead horse! I'm about at that point right now!!

Corndog - I'm sick of being condescended to by people who are years, if not decades younger than I thinking that they're all knowing concerning CBMs! Everytime someone posts an unpopular POV on here their immediately attacked or have their credibility questioned! I for one am sick of it! Funny how you don't notice all of the other pricks on here! LOL!
JonF - 11/6/2009, 2:35 PM
@JonF- How are you decades older than everyone else, a lot of respected members on here are adults with thier own families, what are like 90? LOL And for God's sake calm the [frick] down man, and you're just repeating yourself. Leterrier said BEFORE he said requel it was a reboot, ed norton said it was a reboot, kevin fiege said it was a reboot, marvel on a whole said it was a reboot, letterier said requel ONCE, it's a reboot, get over it. Also you don't have to be so immature about it. And we're not attacking you at all, we're just debating why you think that. I mean for example I will constantly debate why I don't like Ackles for Cap despite him being a popular choice, no-one's attackin me, we just debate it and then it's all good. No bad blood. Plus even if someone is younger than you that doesn't automatically make you right, chances are a 14 year old kid might have more knowledge of this stuff than you, so quit making ridiculous claims man.


Ryden - 11/6/2009, 4:47 PM
Ryden - You're taking yourself too seriously! My hyberbolic sarcasm is getting lost in translation somewhere! If you say something that I feel is ridiculous or outrageous, I'm going to rib you! We're debating CBMs here, not politics! It's your apparent tone that set me off. You came off as sanctimonious and condescending! Seems like your confidence builds once you're sure you have others to back you up. That seems pretty immature to me! BTW, my being older isn't what makes me right, but 31 years of collecting comic books might have something to do with it!!

Again, you're telling me what I already know! For the last time, I do not THINK that TIH was a requel - it was quoted in the news! I'm not making it up! While I understand that all involved have since changed their tune, the facts cannot be denied!!

I may not be decades older than EVERYONE on here, but there are a few 14 year olds on this site! joshw24 is only 19, for crying out loud! I can tell that there are a lot of youngin's that post on this site! If I mention the Kree/Skrull War, for instance, you shouldn't be perplexed as to what I'm talking about!
JonF - 11/7/2009, 2:11 PM
@JonF-19 isn't that young, I'm 20 does that make me extremley young? And what tone? I can't have [frick]in tone because these are comments!!! And if you already know it's not a requel then why keep defending the argument saying it is?!! That's pretty pointless. And my confidence is staying where it's at, if people back me up then obviously I'm gonna feel more confident on my statements because that means more people have the same opinion as I do, that's just human nature. The FACT is he said it once. That's it. And why would I be perplexed about what you're talking about? That was when the Avengers got mixed up in the war between the two races, still they've been fighting for donkeys man. Anyway what has that got to do with it? Hell kids could just google it if they wanted to. And are you seriously saying that just because you've been collecting comics for 31 years that makes your opinion automatically more important and correct than anyone else? Wow, thats immatutre.
Ryden - 11/7/2009, 5:53 PM
Ryden - You don't get what I'm saying. I wasn't referring to YOU specifically! I was using that as an example!

You're arguement lies with what you think my opinion is about TIH, when I'm simply stating that, before the film's release, there were news articles in which LL was quoted as calling the movie "a requel". The fact that it starts where the 2003 film left off totally supports that! Your defense to that is centered around DVD extras; extras that were released AFTER TIH had been established as a success!

That being as it is, since the term came from LL's mouth, not mine, I believe that all involved are now back-peddling, with the intention of creating good PR! This way, they've totally divorced themselves from the 2003 film and can move forward with the planned integration of the Avengers-related movies.

Clearly Ang Lee's Hulk came out waaaay before any plans had been made to crossover the individual Avengers' films! Therefore, it wouldn't make any logical sense for Kevin Feige, Ed Norton, Avi Arad OR Louis Letterier to admit to any connection to the previous Hulk flick, as it doesn't currently serve their needs!

Where you completely misunderstood me was on the age thing! When I was 6 years old, I was a comic book expert! I loved them! My mother collected them as a child in the '40s, and my older siblings read them in the 60s and 70s! The tradition was passed down to me, and I've since passed it down to others! My being much older than you isn't what makes me more knowledgeable(about comics); having a MUCH larger collection and having read FAR more comics does!! - I still collect to this day!! While one can Google most anything, most people on this site don't even bother! They're usually caught up in more topical or contemporary comic book subjects anyway!

Your comments make you come off like a punk! I can't believe the disrespect coming from you! Someone has a different POV, and you keep correcting them! You cling to your opinion like it's your religion! And you guys are telling ME to calm down? All one can do is check one's facts! I don't care that you disagree with me, so long as I'm understood and I get my point across!

BTW, by stating your age, you just confirmed my point! Now you're just arguing for the sake of arguing! If I agreed with everything you said, I'm sure you would still find a reason to correct me anyway, just for spite! The tone I was referring to was your attitude, not the sound of your voice!!

Your assignment for tonight is to look up the word immature; you'll find a picture of your avatar! LOL!
JonF - 11/9/2009, 2:54 PM

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