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Nic Cage "Reconceiving" Another Ghost Rider Movie!

But not a sequel, or even a reboot, remake or re-imagining. No folks, we now have another RE to add to the list...RECONCEIVE! MTV has the exclusive...
Nicholas Cage has told MTV about his plans for another "Ghost Rider" movie. He has always been vocal about his thoughts on where the character should go if the studios were to green light another movie. But a sequel may not be on the cards. Cage wants to "reconceive" Johnny Blaze and his flaming hellhog.

Cage told MTV News that he’s looking less toward “sequel” and more toward “reboot” for the next “Ghost Rider” film..



I didn't think the first movie was an absolute disaster but it was pretty bad..especially the ending. I think they should just do a sequel and simply make a better movie this time! Reconceive? [frick] off!
10 Yes
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Rorschach01
7/14/2009
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131 Comments

Nic Cage on sundays....
CloSeTNerD29 - 7/14/2009, 4:45 PM
The first one was alright. Could have been alot better!
CloSeTNerD29 - 7/14/2009, 4:47 PM
I didn't mind the first one. It was okay. I really want a sequel though
dbzfan - 7/14/2009, 4:49 PM
Hence the REBOOT???!!! ; D

If he's GHOST RIDER it is a friggin' sequel, it ain't no REBOOT! Geez ; )
LEEE777 - 7/14/2009, 4:49 PM
@everyone

Can there be a GOOD ghostrider with Nic Cage?
SHHH - 7/14/2009, 4:50 PM
Well, ive got GR on blu-ray so i must like it lol!
LEEE777 - 7/14/2009, 4:51 PM
How bout ILLconcieved
superdog - 7/14/2009, 4:51 PM
Oh F**K it, they pulled my megan fox lol!

Next time it'll be bare b00bies!!!

Okay it wont! : (
LEEE777 - 7/14/2009, 4:54 PM
@LEE: ....maybe you stole it lol
dbzfan - 7/14/2009, 4:54 PM
I think they need to make it more darker then funny the first one hade to many light moments I mean this is Ghost Rider and they made him a little to cartoony
kyle12688 - 7/14/2009, 4:55 PM
@kyle: he did watch cartoons in the movie lol
dbzfan - 7/14/2009, 4:55 PM
reboot minus cage...he is filth now...damn..they should hire jason aaron to scribe this cuz over the past year or so...my god...he has been rocking the comic series...i havent been following it extensively but hot damn...marvel readers hold his GR run as prob the best ever...his take on blaze, his bro danny ketch, zadkiel and the renegade angels, angels of vengeance etc has been epic...and from what i gather..his new 'heaven;s on fire' run is hot and sweet..DAMNN...i wanted wes bentley to be johnny blaze but now i think i'd like mike c. hall frum dexter or frickin jonathan tucker as ghost rider!!!
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 4:56 PM
what the hell does he mean by reconceive??? like lee777 said it's a sequel! I thought the first one was decent enough. hopefully this one will be bigger and better.
supersteveprime18 - 7/14/2009, 4:58 PM
Ryan Reynolds for ghost rider
superdog - 7/14/2009, 4:59 PM
The Ghost Rider comics that I've read are brilliantly written and if Marvel would take hold of this project, allow room for a Hard-R rating, it has the chance to be the best and darkest Marvel movie so far.

I could care less if Cage reprized his role, while the first one wasn't good I don't blame that on Cage; with the crap script he had to work with he did a fairly decent job and could do better if the movies made right. But if someone else gets picked, I won't be crying.
KryptonianPimp - 7/14/2009, 5:01 PM
Ryan Reynolds for mary jane watson
supersteveprime18 - 7/14/2009, 5:02 PM
@ superdog: I think he has already been cast as Ghost Rider's motorcycle...
BmanHall - 7/14/2009, 5:03 PM
instigatorgirl...wherever u are..i posted on ya smallville article...loved the article...
NOW I WANT MEPHISTOPHELES TO CUT SOME BLOOD..blackheart is a bitch!!!
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 5:03 PM
Ryan Reynolds for mary jane watson
supersteveprime18 - 7/14/2009, 5:03 PM
I really like Ghost Rider in the comics. So it was cool seeing him do his thing live action. GR LOOKED great in the movie, his ride was great. I thought all that was very well represented.

But the villains were SO bad. That part was stupid, and needless to say Peter Fonda as Mephisto was about as intimidating as Don Knotts and that little emo guy as Blackheart was hard to watch.
DarthMulder - 7/14/2009, 5:05 PM
dbzfan @ Lol!!! ; )
LEEE777 - 7/14/2009, 5:06 PM
Ryan Reynolds for Stan Lee!!
TheAnswer - 7/14/2009, 5:06 PM
Ryan Reynolds for GOKU!!!!
dbzfan - 7/14/2009, 5:08 PM
The first GR was crap! Nic Cage should never have taken that role! Nic Cage needs to stay the hell away from CBM's! could anyone really believe in his Johnny Blaze? I sure as hell couldn't! Reboot it with someone else!

Ryan Reynolds as Lois Lane!
WulfComicFan - 7/14/2009, 5:08 PM
This is the perfect opportunity for a World War Hulk movie!!

Introducing Doctor Strange!

:-P
Imran - 7/14/2009, 5:09 PM
yeah a world war hulk movie would kick ass!
supersteveprime18 - 7/14/2009, 5:11 PM
@WulfComicFan

Read my statement above. Yes, the first GR movie was bad, but it definitely wasn't because of Cage, if anything he saved the movie because of how bad the script was, how horrible the villains were, and how bad the love interest was. Also, the man who played the old GR in the movie, while he's a good actor, the makers should've stayed away from having more than one GR in the movie.
KryptonianPimp - 7/14/2009, 5:14 PM
@ Krypto....I agree about most of that....but I contend that Nic Cage shouldn't do comic movies....or if he does, something that's not so serious....he just wasn't that good in it, in my opinion. I was stoked as hell that they did the movie, but i wasn't into his performance, and Sam Elliott was pretty good, but I agree, only one GR was needed.
WulfComicFan - 7/14/2009, 5:18 PM
theanswer@lol thats funny i like that cast
mounted88 - 7/14/2009, 5:20 PM
the first movie was visually sweet, but the story was lacking, they should just do a sequel and make it better then the first enough with this reboot crap.
Osiris - 7/14/2009, 5:21 PM
I think this is his way of getting back at all of us for not letting him be Superman.
Bamf7 - 7/14/2009, 5:26 PM
anyone reading ultimatum...?...i see they released a teaser pic 'THE END' and i think ultimate wolverine bites the dust..i'm guessin
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 5:28 PM
There wasnt anything wrong with the first one. Hey Leee, can i borrow your Ghost Rider Blu-Ray disc?
CaptainAmerica - 7/14/2009, 5:31 PM
I don't think Cage was the reason the first movie was so bad, it was a combination of a horrible script, and the director spending too much time focusing all of his energy on the main protagonist, and what seemed like little-to-no time or energy spent on the villains!
I understand that it would have cost a substantial amount of money to make the bad guys "scarier" than the Spirit of Vengeance, but with Mephistopheles running around as a geriatric, cane walking, cardboard/hack acting has-been, and an emo/whiney/bitc#-boy Blackheart, this movie had "FAIL!" written all over it!
It still had SOME redeeming qualities... But then again, it also had about 5 scenes of Nick Cage pointing his index founger out at someone, and whispering "You!"
adamant877 - 7/14/2009, 5:34 PM
THE PHANTOM RIDER was a good character in the movie as sorta a mentor (a la cogliostro in spawn) towards an unwilling hero...i felt the love dynamic was too much, even though it may have been necessary in telling of blaze's plight, but this movie should have been darker...i would have loved alex proyas to do GR..he wud do this shite right and dark!!!
the villains were epic fails and i think they helped muck the film up...plus i didnt find the cgi GR to look all that amazing
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 5:38 PM
hey anyone hear who's gonna replace JMS on thor?..my bet is brubaker or hickman on scribe, with simone bianchi or copiel/djurdjevic on art
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 5:45 PM
Just let it die....
Lanceloco - 7/14/2009, 5:54 PM
god almighty, why reboot it!? does that mean the origins all over again? for [frick] sake - the first one wasnt great but it doesnt need a reboot. thinking about it, ghost rider doesnt even really need another movie...

Anil Rickly: i heard about JMS leaving - i think he's fallen out with Marvel again over Thor being usedin Secret Invasion - its a pity if Marvel lose him, hes a great writer (apart from his run with Deadato on ASM which was awful) Brubaker would be a great replacemet though or Dan Slott - i hope they keep Copiel though.
joshw24 - 7/14/2009, 6:01 PM
Man they really need to make another Ghost Rider movie.....but lets keeps Cage out of this one. Out of all the actors out there, Why did they pick him? I never liked this choice personally. So im down for a reboot or a sequal but lets Do some MAJOR casting overall on this film.
MercWitaMouth88 - 7/14/2009, 6:03 PM
This movie was the worst comic book movie ever made! the dialogue was horrible (probably written by supermike) the action was garbage, the villains were weak, and WHO IN THE [frick] TAKES AN 8 BALL TO A RESTAURANT?!! the director ruined ghostrider, daredevil, and elektra. he deserves to DIE!
droopy1317 - 7/14/2009, 6:07 PM
Droopy - in 'Ghost Rider's' defense, it really wasn't the '...worst comic book movie ever made...' - that honor belongs to (and I'm sure we all can agree on this one) Joel Schumacher's 'Batman - Death of a Franchise'! With that said, aside from some pretty cool CGI and an ALWAYS brilliant performance by Sam Elliott (he pretty much can do no wrong in my book), there was (how shall I put it) 'room for improvement'. I agree with Osiris - beef up the writing and let's see what happens...

As for 'Daredevil', I know I'm probably in the minorty here but I rather liked it (especially the director's cut). 'Elektra' on the other hand, is another matter. The fact that it DID have Jennifer Garner in a spray-on leather outfit didn't save the film.
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 6:19 PM
i contend that Nic Cage should not only stay away from CBMs, but all movies in general. the only one hes ever done that i liked was Con Air. he cant act worth a damn and pretty much ruins anything i end up watchin with him in it. his last chance with me was Knowing and that absolute crap fest now has me convinced that he should just call it quits.
ThePrince - 7/14/2009, 6:21 PM
Your actually not in a minority at all, i think a lot of CBM fans like Daredevil. I really liked it!

Worst ever? Yeah, i can't think of a worse one than Batman And Robin. I mean at least you had nice scenery in Catwoman!
Rorschach01 - 7/14/2009, 6:23 PM
@ loganoneil
theres only so much saving a girl in spray on leather can do when she looks like she got beat with a bag of what the [frick]
ThePrince - 7/14/2009, 6:24 PM
johnathan tucker for johnny blaze...
daniel day lewis - mephisto
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 6:24 PM
alex proyas director for the next GR film...screw this nic cage crap..."GHOST RIDER: SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE"...long title but it works
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 6:25 PM
Anyone that thinks Cage cant act needs to watch a few movie made before the [frick]ing millennium! Birdy, Leaving Las Vegas, Raising Arizona, Wild At Heart, Rumble Fish..Cage was great in em all. He just makes brutal movies these days..doesn't put any effort in.
Rorschach01 - 7/14/2009, 6:26 PM
sorry Ror, scene em all and still cant stand the guy. never been an actor i liked and by the looks of it he never will be
ThePrince - 7/14/2009, 6:30 PM
Looks like he's already a skull...

Ryan Reynolds for every super hero movie... ever!
ElBicho - 7/14/2009, 6:31 PM
Yeah there have been a lot there were far worse than that. It had at least one or two redeeming points I thought.
DarthMulder - 7/14/2009, 6:33 PM
@logan your right about the cgi, THAT, i was impressed with. and i'll correct myself, i think it was the worst MARVEL movie made. i mean the dialogue and action seemed like it was written by a 10 yr old imo. i wanted to leave the theater but since i paid i sat through the torture. yes it could be improved. i say make a sequel but please please pleaseee get another director
droopy1317 - 7/14/2009, 6:35 PM
Ror: I beleive the term your looking for is "phoned it in"... ;-)

joshw24: I can't beleive you said that!? I mean, I'm not anymore of a fan of "One More Day" than the next guy, but JMS had one of his best runs EVER in Amazing! You have all of that great work with him and JRJ, the Twin Towers issue that made THIS full grown adult cry more than once! And the introduction of Ezekial and Morlun, his run on Amazing Spider-Man was the only reason I actually continued to collect the title at all! And also, incidentally, why I currently collect Thor. Sorry J-Man, I'm going to have to strongly disagree on this one.
adamant877 - 7/14/2009, 6:37 PM
Ryan Reynolds for Galactus
SoulAllFlush - 7/14/2009, 6:41 PM
@adamant, josh...well even if his AMS run was up in the air...the thor run kicks amazing ass and to me is marvel's best book now...i love everything from loki's machination throughout even to the rest of the marvel U...to the deceit at asgard...i think JMS left cuz of some upcoming acr 'SIEGE OF ASGARD' which is a crossover to the rest of the marvelU whcih JMS didnt want...but marvel gave him his time alone with thor...and in all fairness (as much as i wanted JMS to remain onboard)...it's time thor came back to the rest of the marvelU and kick open dark reign's ass...PS Dan Slott should stay on AMS, brubaker's leaving daredevil to diggle so i want bru on THOR
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 6:51 PM
pepole talk crap about gr the movie but i liked it and u casn tell that nic cage love the comics and that came acrosse in the movie
thedarkknight666 - 7/14/2009, 6:51 PM
Ryan Reynolds as snarf or he could be unicorn
thedarkknight666 - 7/14/2009, 6:53 PM
Droopy - sorry man, but I feel I must correct you again.. worst Marvel movie ever made - 'The Fantastic Four' (take your pick between the one that came out a few years ago, or the one that was 'never released'... and there's a REASON it wasn't, trust me I've seen it!) or the Punisher (take your pick between the Lexi Alexander P.O.S. 'War Zone' or the classic Dolph Ludgren stinker)!

...or how about the 'classic' Nick Fury: Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.', starring the multi-talented David Hasselhoff?

See, there's ALWAYS something worse just hiding in the shadows....

david hasselhoff
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loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 6:56 PM
but if they do a reboot (which i'm sick of) then he won't be involved
lilej2 - 7/14/2009, 6:59 PM
I LIKED THE FIRST ONE..BUT"RECONCIEVE "IS A NEW WORD..I GUESS PEOPLE IN HOLLYWOOD ARE RUNNING FROM THE WORD REBOOT..
GUNSMITH - 7/14/2009, 7:10 PM
I think he probably meant a sequel but going in a completely different direction, its just trendy to throw the RE words about these days. And if he didn't, well, hes just silly.

Logan those movies(original FF, Nick Fury) are kinda off the scale crap, i think people usually judge the cinema released, bigger budget stuff that actually had SOME effort put into them. By those standards, id say FF(the first one with Alba) is prob the worst iv seen from Marvel. At least Punisher had blood n guts. All FF had was a miserable effeminate dick head as DR Doom.
Rorschach01 - 7/14/2009, 7:12 PM
adamant877: i loved JMS's run on ASM, it was just after John Romita Jr left that it started going downhill with storylines like Sins Past and The Other! Before that though, it was brilliant! and its the same here - the only reason i started buying Thor was because of his run on ASM!

Anil Rickly: JMS's Thor has indeed been brilliant and Dan Slott might actually be better off staying with Spidey - im not a big fan of his run on Mighty Avengers so far, though his Spider-Man stuff is always excellent! Brubaker would be a great chioice though, yeah.

Fantastic Four was one of the worst comic book movies ever! between the awful acting (jessica alba) and the bad storylines (cloud galactus) as well as how they [frick]ed up Dr Doom it was rotten! Daredevil was good apart from some dodgy CGI here and there - the directors cut was brilliant.
joshw24 - 7/14/2009, 7:13 PM
I am sooo glad that Ghost Rider has been brought back up ion this page....

Worst Movie Ever :

1Batman and Robin
2Ghost Rider
3X-Men PullMyLeg : Origins (a joke)
shibazz - 7/14/2009, 7:13 PM
Nick cage for danny ketch
darthstern - 7/14/2009, 7:15 PM
Aww, c'mon Ror - don't you see that Marvel was just trying to connect to its whiney 14 year-old emo 'Twilight'-watching fanbase? It was a FF movie for the new millenium!

OK... I think I pulled something. Excuse me for a second while I go off to the bathroom and puke...
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 7:16 PM
AS far as a movie that has strived to be like a comic book and faithfully tried to establish the same mythos that the original character held in the books.... i gotta give it up to Punisher Warzone...... if it wasnt sooo campy it would have been incredible... it needs to be an HBO series show. Lexi nailed Frank castle perfectly!
shibazz - 7/14/2009, 7:18 PM
Shibazz - Lexi turned that movie into a video game - NOTHING MORE! NO PLOT! NO CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT! NOTHING! Hell, at least with a video game you get to CONTROL the action and interact with the virtual world. With 'War Zone', I thought I was stuck in a PG-13 vesion of 'House of a Thousand Corpses' - LAME!!!!!!
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 7:22 PM
True LOGANasOniel... sort of, i mean the moment i hated most in that movie was the scene where the flipping boys jumped from building to building and got hit by a missile... that scene would have totally worked in Sin City... but Lexi had established such a reality based momentum by that point with the exception of some of the Baddies writing ... that when the missile scene happened i was reminded instantly that it was a movie based on a comic book. That being said i thought that a large chunk of the movie was intense and had real depth to it. I mean that the interplay between the italians old and young and the snapping of the wifes neck was for me as solid aas anything in the movie Carlito's way... which i loved. I am saying it wasnt the toatl loss that Coyote-ine-Origins was.
shibazz - 7/14/2009, 7:35 PM
Well, Shibazzywazzy, i know saying you were not a fan of Wolvie origins is putting it mildly, but did u really think it was worse than Punisher Warzone?..Or FF for that matter..or Elektra! I mean at the very least it had 2 great performances in Jackman and Schreiber.
Rorschach01 - 7/14/2009, 7:38 PM
Girlfriend, I think this is an 'agree-to-diagree' point - there's NO way you'll even convince me that 'War Zone' was worth the price I paid to see it, and I'll probably NEVER convince you that neither 'Ghost Rider' nor 'Origins' were THAT bad (all things considered...).
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 7:38 PM
...I WILL give you 'Batman & Robin' (of course - LMFAO!).
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 7:45 PM
(to reconceive (third-person singular simple present reconceives, present participle reconceiving, simple past and past participle reconceived)

1. To conceive something in a new way)

So....it will be like a sequel, but the character will be shown in a new light kinda deal? I guess make Johnny Blaze more bad ass then the original?

The only thing I thought was shitty about the original was the villains. Black Heart was [frick]ing gay; he was like an emo kid trying to be a vampire in that episode of South Park. Apart from that it was a really entertaining movie.
VenomIsOnMyRibs - 7/14/2009, 7:57 PM
Nice one Rorsky!') I will say this to the both of ya.... RORSCHACH01 and LOGANONEIL i honestly would rather read your comments (even if they are wrong ;) than watch that movie again . and yes i am sorry to say i did hate that Wolvie Pulvy movie as much as Ghost Rider ...

Logan Shmogan lets just do that and toss one back for the fallen.bad comic book movie i mean)... oh god i just reminded myself of TF2 dammit now i need a stiffer one!
shibazz - 7/14/2009, 8:03 PM
Venom - my guess is they're gonna' try and darken the whole thing up (kinda' like what they originally had in mind for the next 'Superman' movie... IF that ever gets made). After 'Dark Knight, I guess it's all the rage. Not so good when you're dealing with the 'Big Blue Schoolboy', but it's a FANTASTIC IDEA if it involves a minion from hell!
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 8:04 PM
Shibazz - If ONLY the studios would LISTEN to us FANS (just once) when it came to making a movie. Could you just IMAGINE the joy-gasm it would be if WE had TOTAL control from start-to-finish of the making of one of our favorite comic book films (say, oh I dunno... 'Wonder Woman' or 'Sandman' maybe?)!

There I go again - dreaming the impossible dream...
loganoneil - 7/14/2009, 8:09 PM
if jason aaron pens this..u guys wud luv it...better yet if proyas helms the flick...but nic cage needs be buried
Anil Rickly - 7/14/2009, 8:29 PM
I don't know who mentioned that the next Ghost rider needs to be a hard-R, but I agree. The penance stare should leave someone with a load of shit in their pants.
gtrman - 7/14/2009, 8:46 PM
Ryan Reynolds for Ryan Reynolds in the Ryan Reynolds story.
CockKnocker - 7/14/2009, 9:19 PM
I thought the first GR was...ok. I didn't like how Blaze was portrayed. Eating jelly beans, watching cartoons and listening to the Carpenters?!? Come on, he has demonic powers for f*** sake! He's a super hero, not my 90 year old grandmother!

As for the revision of the movie...is should be a sequel. Make it a sequel and make it better and that is that. I could care less if Cage comes back or not, just make a better GR movie!
RolandOfGilead - 7/14/2009, 9:25 PM
Oh I almost forgot...Ryan Reynolds for GOD!!!
RolandOfGilead - 7/14/2009, 9:26 PM
I think I agree with Shibazz. Above all the Wolverine movie was just incredibly stupid.
The excellent performances don't change that. I would put it on a par with Ghost Rider as well, and of course niether one of them was as bad as Catwoman or Fantastic Four. But bad is bad is bad. Sure there's degrees but bad is bad.
DarthMulder - 7/14/2009, 9:29 PM
Why does everyone hate on F4?!? I know Dooms origins and powers are off, but for putting a story of complex characters on the big screen I thought it was ok. Silver Surfer was good...in my opinion.
RolandOfGilead - 7/14/2009, 9:39 PM
No way no more Nick Cage as Ghost Rider. He can play certain characters, just not Johnny Blaze.

I found Punisher: Warzone entertaining. Not the greatest movie, and the Evil Dead-like campiness kinda ruined the darker aspects of Frank Castle (especially the scene where Jigsaw is recruiting peoole... ugh), but like Shibazz said Lexi actually made a Punisher movie that showcased Frank Castle murdering muthaf@#$a's. As great as the 2004 Punisher was (and it was very good), it didnt feel like a Punisher movie to me. Thomas Jane just didnt seem like a merciless killer taking revenge on the criminal underworld. It just lacked the grit that Warzone had. If only she would tone down the cartoonish violence it could have been a fantastic movie.
Shadowelfz - 7/14/2009, 10:05 PM
Boooo!!! Nicholas Cage RETIRE!!!
NO more cbm nor any movies.
Leave it!
Quit!
Let it go!
Oh yeah
sithenor - 7/14/2009, 10:09 PM
Gosh..this dude and his hair insist on tormenting me. Doesn't he know he is getting old?
MsKyle08 - 7/14/2009, 11:36 PM
Lord knows I've taken my shots at Cage, but he can act. The guy is as sincere a fan as any of us. I say let him take aim at ghost rider with a harder spin on it, but never let him near a superman movie. My take on punisher was if you took the violence from warzone and the acting from Tom Janes punisher, would have been great.
ASSASSIN666 - 7/14/2009, 11:48 PM
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prototype 3D - 7/15/2009, 12:58 AM
I can see it now....


teabag - 7/15/2009, 1:41 AM
Ghost Rider Vespa...The sequel! Good stuff Teabag. Lmao!
RolandOfGilead - 7/15/2009, 2:06 AM
:p
nic cage was very bad for GR!!
Daniel blacklantern - 7/15/2009, 3:13 AM
No reboot please, just a sequel with the SAME ACTORS!!
Ace Kojack - 7/15/2009, 4:48 AM
@ Ace Kojack: Agreed. Ghost Rider wasn't amazing, but hell, it wasn't bad either. If they reboot they will ruin it. Just like they did with Punisher. The first one was ok but War Zone was just [frick]ing God awful!
BmanHall - 7/15/2009, 6:27 AM
As for Nick Cage... Absolutely LOVED Family Man... and that's about it.

Clive Owen for Johnny Blaze!!!



Rutger Hauer for Mephisto!!!

Shaman - 7/15/2009, 6:27 AM
@logan i meant movies that have come out in the last 12 years lol. i never saw any old school marvel movie. they seemed bad. but you're right, f4, punisher and elektra were bad as well. but like i said, in my opinion, the dialogue was horrible and the fighting scenes was weak. all gh did was twirl his chain. it was just bad. the other movies atleast had better dialogue and better fights. there has only been 2 movies where i wanted to walk out on and get my money back and ghostrider was one of them.
droopy1317 - 7/15/2009, 6:34 AM
not to mention that they completely ruined blackheart!
droopy1317 - 7/15/2009, 6:45 AM
Ghost Rider pretty much sucked, Blackheart was terrible (why were all the demons in constant human mode, it was pretty gay)I didn't mind Nic Cage so much, but Clive Owen would be DAMN PERFECT for Johnny Blaze, slap an R rating, give me the horror that is GHOST RIDER!
Stumblin - 7/15/2009, 7:41 AM
ghost rider was the worst of the worst from the marvel movies. (was it made by fox??? that would make sense) i can't believe they took one of the coolest, evil villains (blackheart) and had some lame, nonthreatening, emo looking sissy boy play him. not to mention it was crazy cheesy, which is not what a ghost rider movie should be! i mean, he yelled "YAAAAHHHHOOOOOOOOO" as he was swinging his chain in one scene...terrible
CorndogBurglar - 7/15/2009, 7:42 AM
I like 8MM......but no GR reboot

teabag - 7/15/2009, 7:44 AM
and also, if he could use his penance stare on blackheart (y'know, the son of the friggin' devil?) why couldn't he use it on all those sissy demons??
CorndogBurglar - 7/15/2009, 8:00 AM
yeah the Blackheart issue is the most letdown for me. i am not that of a fan, i have like only 2 GR comics, but only having him portrayed in such a Rant-boy manner.. a cool thing was when Peter Fonda´s face faded a demon-like figure.. but that was all.

In general i liked the movie, though BH´s henchmen were kind of lame.. Eva Mendes, that girl was way hot!

a good sequel is all is needed
SirJediFrank - 7/15/2009, 8:10 AM
Corndog cus Blackheart was full of souls where as the other demons were not......still dissapointing tho :(
teabag - 7/15/2009, 8:23 AM
@sirjedifrank

they also made johnny blaze to be border lined retarded with that deal he signed with the devil. "here, sign this old piece of parchment and i'll save your dad's life...oh yeah, you have to sign it in blood...don't mind my menacing demeanor, it isn't important..." come one, that's as bad as peter parker making a deal with mephisto in One More Day.
CorndogBurglar - 7/15/2009, 8:26 AM
Inconceivable!
Howlett04 - 7/15/2009, 8:29 AM
Corndog you should read the original....its even more stupid....and its not even for his real dad and instead of trying to see the doctors to help him or take his place in the show he cunjurs up satan........like you do
teabag - 7/15/2009, 8:41 AM
Corndog@ haven´t read that Brand New Day yet( i have a few stocked around), but i know what you are talking about.. at least they incorporated it in the movie. it could ´ve been 100% different form the comics though
SirJediFrank - 7/15/2009, 8:51 AM
Thanks Stumblin. And either Hauer or Lance Henriksen would have been way better than Fonda. That guy sucked ass.
Shaman - 7/15/2009, 8:57 AM
I THINK IT NEEDS LONGER ACTION SEQENCES, AND NEEDS TO BE DARKER
LethalWeapon - 7/15/2009, 9:00 AM
Fonda was contacted A WEEK BEFORE they started shooting. He and the producers said it themselves in the dvd extras. Nic Cage contacted him, and he trusted Nic´s advise.
SirJediFrank - 7/15/2009, 9:00 AM
VENGEANCE! Michael Badilino HAS to be a character in this... And PLEASE... Start instituting Zarathos...




Hell, I'll even take Daniel Ketch.

BaronBubba - 7/15/2009, 9:18 AM
SirJediFrank - So Fonda was contacted a week before shooting? Big deal, that probably gave him more time to prepare than Viggo had for LOTR. And Viggo had a much more demanding role as Aragorn, being a main character in one of the all time greatest books to be written. Fonda had no excuse. But to be fair there were bigger problems in that film than him!
Howlett04 - 7/15/2009, 9:34 AM
This may sound strange but I can actually see Nic Cage as a possibility for Dr Strange.
Ghola - 7/15/2009, 9:35 AM
Well Ron, i think it was a team effort really. The whole movie was a problem. We're just arguing semantics i guess :P
Shaman - 7/15/2009, 9:37 AM
Don't hate the player, hate the game. Did anyone ever think if the actor is not doing his job then it should be the director who takes blame. Much like any big music producer the director is there to be in control of all things related to the movie. Even legends like Pacino, or Lewis have to be pulled in at times. Where people are quick to find fault with Fonda, I blame the director for not telling him to be more evil, or wicked. This also raises the question of is the director familiar with the material he's filming. These studios have a bad habit sometimes of giving hero related movies to a director based on his track record, and not based on if he even likes the characters.
ASSASSIN666 - 7/15/2009, 9:41 AM
ASSASSIN666 - damn fine point. Direction can change a film. Look at Batman Forever, think honestly about it. The cast was good, the script wasn't that bad! You can keep everything on that movie but change the director (back to Burton) and the movie could have kicked ass! I hear the same problems with Terminator Salvation.

Directors are there to make sure everyone pulls their weight and to get the best out of the whole crew. Ultimate responsibility lies with them. If we think an actor is bad in a film then the director should have seen that and told him to re shoot!
Howlett04 - 7/15/2009, 10:06 AM
Yes great great point.

And Singer should have told Superman to "look before you leap" and after seeing your sperm of steel impregnate Lois, perfrom a lazerectabortion BEFORE you leave for 7 [frick]ing years!!! Cause after that... it's just murder!!! Singer dropped the baby on that play.
Shaman - 7/15/2009, 10:15 AM
We'll all be hearing this word a lot more when it comes to Ghost Rider: DARKER! Fact of it is, this is a story about a man who becomes HELL's bounty hunter. You can't get much darker than that. I think a mistake with the first Ghost Rider was giving it a more light-hearted tone to it so that it would appeal to a wider audience. The comics didn't change for a wider audience, and ironically, that's why the character is so popular. If the films want to have the same results, they can't mess with the formula.

My point being, I feel Ghost Rider needs to be a lot darker and a hell of a lot more grittier. I know that's said about a lot of comic book movies, but in this case, it's not a suggestion, it's a requirement. The colors can't be so vivid. The number of comedic moments needs to be toned down. Think more "Horror" and less "Western."

Some may disagree with me, and if you do, then by all means post something, because maybe you have a good point I didn't think of.
PlaidRocker - 7/15/2009, 10:55 AM
Matrix-4. Ryan Reynolds is the new "The One"..... Sweet.
satanors - 7/15/2009, 10:56 AM
One of the problems i found was Mixing Johnny Blaze with Danny Ketch's ghost rider


Anyway here a pick of GR renagosiating his contract with the devil...


teabag - 7/15/2009, 11:29 AM
teabag- Is that [frick]ing Tim Robbins???

PlaidRocker- Norrington should do it!!! Take the same edge he had in Blade :)) Or Paul W Anderson, he could go all "Event Horizon" on Ghost Rider's ass!!! :))
Shaman - 7/15/2009, 11:56 AM
Event Horizon....yeah i remember seeing that at the cinema and being blown away
teabag - 7/15/2009, 12:42 PM
I'm blown away every single freakin time i put the DVD on!!! It's as epic as the first Hellraiser!!!
Shaman - 7/15/2009, 12:52 PM
Hellraiser was leaps ahead of the competition in the 80's.....its so wrong but hits the spot. Event Horizon came out the same time as Alien resurection i think and that brings me back to WB and Marvel.....WB are Alien..they have the foundation for a great franchise, hell even alien 3 had the right tone ..so why say [frick] that we know whats best../ Horizon is Marvel....not founded or franchised then bang didnt make as much as resurection but jesus did it spank it ......uuuhh i think im loosing myself now so yeah Hellraiser rocks :)
teabag - 7/15/2009, 2:35 PM
Hellraiser can suck it.

And Nic Cage could be good if they do another Ghost Rider- give it time.....give it time....

I dunno - maybe it's cause I liked Constantine and that's why I can tolerate the first Rider movie. The only thing the first Rider flick was missing was good villian(s)...Blackheart was only Blackheart for about 5 seconds....and that isn't cool.
Keven - 7/15/2009, 4:42 PM
@Keven@ do you know who blackheart is.....because that emo never acted like Blackheart or looked like blackheart ever in that film.
Osiris - 7/15/2009, 11:24 PM
Ryan Reynolds for Sam Worthington!!

Megan Fox for Scarlet Johannson!!






...what the hell is this all about again?
Kyos - 7/16/2009, 7:23 AM
@ Osiris -

Yes he did. For about 5 seconds - tops - right at the end when his eyes went all red and his face started to morph into "sort of" the shape of blackheart's face 'sort of'.

but there was a little bit of blackheart in there - just barely.
Keven - 7/16/2009, 9:43 AM
@Keven@

real Blackheart.....(badass)

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Emoheart.....not Blackheart (lame)

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also at the end when Mephistopheles shows his real face it looks no different then Blackhearts meaning that is just what the demons look like which = dumb..... he was even blue instead of Red
Osiris - 7/16/2009, 10:52 AM
Dear god can someone help me here Nic Cage should not ever be allowed to do another cbm again he is terrible. For Ghost Rider start over and do it right. Get Jensen Ackles for Johnny Blaze and go back to the originally issues of Ghost Rider like issue 68 where he retells his story in the church that would make the best movie cause it has that twist at the end. Stop mixing Johnny and Danny together and saying this is the best piece of shit we could come up with.
123456 - 7/17/2009, 3:13 PM
@123456@ he is going to be in Kick-Ass too.....
Osiris - 7/17/2009, 4:59 PM
a marvel knights movie anyone ???
C4 - 8/28/2009, 12:56 AM
the look of ghostrider was ridiculous, the flaming skull was all wrong with no spirit energy reacting within the flames. the leather looked pristene instead of reborn from hell. the story was shallow.
exoskeletonebone - 9/2/2009, 1:55 AM
I ENJOYED Ghost Rider!

I thought Cage did a great job, there were problems with the movie sure, the fights were not really epic, fine.

I liked Cage's Blaze, REALY DUG old Flaming Skull come to "life", and I guess a lot of you are a little too young to "get" the Peter Fonda performance.

Worst comic book movie ever? Puh-LEEEZ. Ever hear of "Daredevil"? Ever seen the Roger Corman "Fantastic Four"?

I would be quite happy to see Nic Cage come back as Johnny Blaze, and if the movie made a good amount more than it cost to make it, I hope the studios give it a shot. We need MORE comic book movies that make money for the studios so they will make more comic book movies.

'Nuff Said!
bropous - 10/7/2009, 6:16 AM

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