THE FANTASTIC FOUR: Galactus Will Be The Main Villain; Franklin & Valeria Richards Expected To Appear

THE FANTASTIC FOUR: Galactus Will Be The Main Villain; Franklin & Valeria Richards Expected To Appear THE FANTASTIC FOUR: Galactus Will Be The Main Villain; Franklin & Valeria Richards Expected To Appear

Following yesterday's Silver Surfer casting news, we have updates on The Fantastic Four's plans for Galactus and the children of Reed and Sue Richards...

By MarkCassidy - Apr 04, 2024 08:04 AM EST
Filed Under: Fantastic Four

Yesterday, we got the surprising (unless you've been keeping up to date with rumors) news that The Fantastic Four will introduce a female take on the Silver Surfer played by Ozark breakout Julia Garner, and we now have updates on several other supporting characters.

Deadline's Justin Kroll took to Twitter shortly after the Surfer news broke to confirm that Galactus will indeed be the main villain, but no actor is currently in talks for the part.

Last we heard, Javier Bardem was said to be the "top choice" to play the Eater of Worlds in the MCU reboot, but it was noted that scheduling conflicts may prevent him from signing on. Antonio Banderas was also a rumoured contender.

Does "main villain" indicate that the team will face other foes? Doctor Doom is expected to appear, but only briefly (most likely in a post-credits scene) to set up a bigger threat down the line. There have been rumors that both Cillian Murphy (Oppenheimer) and Mads Mikkelsen (Rogue One) are in the mix, but nothing too substantial.

As for the children of Reed and Sue Richards, insider Daniel Richtman has heard that both Franklin and Valeria will appear. We don't have any details on their ages, so they may be babies or toddlers whose powers haven't manifested yet. Richtman also reports that The Fantastic Four are well-established and "big celebrities" in the movie.

Garner joins Pedro Pascal (Game of Thrones, The Last of Us) as Reed Richards, aka Mr. Fantastic, Vanessa Kirby (Mission: Impossible - Dead Reckoning) as Sue Storm, aka the Invisible Woman, Joseph Quinn (Stranger Things) as Johnny Storm, aka the Human Torch, and Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Punisher, The Bear) as Ben Grimm, aka the Thing.

Plot details are still a mystery, but a recent rumor claimed that The Fantastic Four will actually be set in an alternate universe. If accurate, this would obviously suggest that the characters will be Variants from some other part of the Multiverse that will eventually find their way to the main MCU timeline (possibly due to the interdimensional rift Dar-Benn caused at the end of The Marvels).

Kevin Feige has also confirmed that this will not be another origin story for the super-team.

“A lot of people know this origin story. A lot of people know the basics. How do we take that and bring something that they’ve never seen before?” he said in a 2022 interview, comparing this new take on the heroes to Marvel Studios' pact with Sony to bring Spider-Man into the MCU. “We’ve set a very high bar for ourselves with bringing that to the screen.”

Matt Shakman will direct the movie. Production is expected to get underway this summer, and the film is set to bow on July 25, 2025.

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DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 8:14 AM
Make him a Celestial.

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MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 4/4/2024, 8:21 AM
@DrReedRichards - that makes the most sense.... so doubt it will happen, but i hope it does
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 8:23 AM
@MotherGooseUPus -

I know he and the Celestials are basically natural ennemies on page, but I strongly feel this would be a simplified and easier approach to new audiences.

What bugs me is introducing Valeria before Doom, and rushing Franklin as an OP macguffin incarnate.
Matchesz
Matchesz - 4/4/2024, 8:31 AM
@DrReedRichards - whatever bugs you save it this aint the place, conform and eat the potato salad with raisins Kevin feige is cooking up for you
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 8:35 AM
@Matchesz -

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Goldboink
Goldboink - 4/4/2024, 8:37 AM
@DrReedRichards -
Nope
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/4/2024, 8:38 AM
@DrReedRichards - we’ll see how it goes but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is true

We know Feige as evident with the Spidey films doesn’t like to focus or do things that have previously been done in live action so I feel this might be his way to differ this version from the previous live action ones.
MotherGooseUPus
MotherGooseUPus - 4/4/2024, 9:18 AM
@DrReedRichards - i feel like they are going wayyyyy too big for the very first MCU f4 movie. this feels like they are under the "go big or go home" mentality, and that is not how they should be moving forward with this movie. i hope to be wrong, but it's overstuffed at the moment
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 9:38 AM
@MotherGooseUPus -

Similar concern. I feel like this is going to be a shilort-lived iteration if the team prior to Secret Wars, before everything is rebooted and a new cast is introduced after those event films.

We'll see.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/4/2024, 9:51 AM
@DrReedRichards - that would be dumb

Just introduce them properly after Secret Wars then , same with X Men
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 9:56 AM
@TheVisionary25 -

It feels hasty, to say the least. Franklin is supposed to be able to command Galactus as his own Herald. Introducing so many elements at once feels rushed and, as you said, dumb.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/4/2024, 10:00 AM
@DrReedRichards - I don’t mind the kids being introduced early

I’m sure they will be younglings who we see grow into their powers moving forward which could be cool

Whose to say this might be Galactus’s only appearance also?.
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 10:06 AM
@TheVisionary25 -

I honestly don't know. All I know is that it feels a bit too much. I had my fingers crossed for a classic Mole Man story, but I guess we're way past that point.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/4/2024, 10:16 AM
@DrReedRichards - I mean I totaly get the concern but in a connected universe where time skips are less doable if they didn't already have kids odds are we would never get them or at least not much (as to do anything significant other than a one shot would require upto 20yrs, maybe more after the first film).

So kinda hoping they are too young to be part of the action but old enough we could see them starting to come into their own in phase 7 maybe around 4 years afterr this comes out?

Was against Galactus as their first main villain, would be all shades of wrong if a standalone franchise not part of the MCU but guess they feel the need for huge threat level that they could fail against this close to the end of a saga (and a recognisably named villain that isn't Doom for the GA to add interest).
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 4/4/2024, 10:19 AM
@DrReedRichards - yeah

I like Feige but I feel like idk if it’s a him thing or someone else having to do these big spectacles for the big screen

I guess Mole Man wasn’t a big enough ( would be cool to get him in the opening intro scene if they are already established heroes)

If that’s the case then I would have even taken Annihilus.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/4/2024, 2:22 PM
@TheVisionary25 - A side thought is they could do a prequel animation series at some point for this version of the F4 that has Mole Man as their first foe and a load of adaptions of the long list of their solo stories (whilst avoiding in the main teamups/crossover stories). One that is made out to be a canon prequel at least but maybe more loose so that they can do their own thing a bit without tying down future live action stories of them holding to it all rigidly (as we're likely getting a rebooted MCU anyway of some sort).
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 4/4/2024, 2:26 PM
BTW I say loose canon animated prequel as should be such that is never considered required viewing but another show that those into the likes of Xmen 97' can enjoy as a seperate thing if they are into it. If they did a live action prequel series it would play into the same oversaturation issues folk go on about if FULL canon to the live action films.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/4/2024, 2:39 PM
@DrReedRichards - yeah. Think they can easily relate his origin to the Celestials as well. Either he's a rogue one eating planets that harbor Celestials like Tiamut or eggs, or he's the Executioner to Arishem's Judge
DrReedRichards
DrReedRichards - 4/4/2024, 2:41 PM
@bkmeijer1 -

I was thinking of the latter, as soon as Eternals ended.

"I will return... for judgement."

I could somehow instantly picture Galactus as the Celestials' executioner.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/4/2024, 3:31 PM
@bkmeijer1 - Or both.
ComicBandit
ComicBandit - 4/4/2024, 4:45 PM
@DrReedRichards - Actually, could be very simple. Franklin and Valeria could be from the future and they will come to save their family from an incursion at the end. Or simply be there from the very start.

Secret Wars will probably be about the Beyonder or some other entity forcing the heroes to fight for the survival or their own universes, Doom steals Beyonder's powers and Franklin sees no choice but to defeat Doom and save everyone's universe by combining them into one Prime (Heroes Reborn) Universe, resetting everything, including the timeline, and making it so that they all always lived in the same universe all along. Only those special heroes whose deaths could cause an incursion and a couple of others: Spidey, Doctor Strange, the Fantastic Four etc would remember what really happened. In this new universe Franklin and Valerie wouldn't be born yet. Mutants always existed etc. a new Black Panther, Cap and Tony aren't dead and still part of the Avengers. It can work if it's handled well.

Just possibilities.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/4/2024, 5:36 PM
@ObserverIO - how would that work though?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/5/2024, 5:23 AM
@bkmeijer1 - I dunno, lol. Like maybe he's a rogue Celestial that eats planets that harbor Celestials and so long ago the Celestials captured him and put him on a leash and now they only let him go to act as an executioner for them.
bkmeijer1
bkmeijer1 - 4/5/2024, 5:45 AM
@ObserverIO - that actually works pretty well. He thinks he's doing something of his own free will, but in actuality it's just the Eternals directing him
Deadinside
Deadinside - 4/5/2024, 9:38 AM
@Matchesz - "potato salad with raisins..."
Ewww...!☮️😖
RockBottom
RockBottom - 4/4/2024, 8:15 AM
They ain’t wasting no time are they? This could either be turn into a really good thing or a really bad thing.
LSHF
LSHF - 4/4/2024, 8:45 AM
@RockBottom - Or a movie that has some good "and" bad things.
Matador
Matador - 4/4/2024, 10:06 AM
@RockBottom - There throwing everything and the kitchen sink in their first movie; guess they didn't learn from DC/WB Batman v Superman.

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More sometimes can be bad and keeping the story simple for the first movie as introduction can turn out convoluted in the end.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/4/2024, 2:17 PM
@RockBottom -
One of the worst aspects of Rise Of The Silver Surfer was how they rushed to Galactus.

This movie seems to want to introduce us to six members of the Fantastic Four, a brand new version of Silver Surfer that will require development and they also want to shove in Galactus. It sounds like a mess.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/4/2024, 3:34 PM
@Scarilian - It sounds more like they're telling the whole story, soup to nuts, rather than just an introduction of the team.

Considering the FF's celebrity status, could this be done in the style of a biopic?
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/4/2024, 4:42 PM
@ObserverIO -
Sue and Reed getting together and having kids is a big thing and it feels like a massive waste to just rush that or have it already happened.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 4/5/2024, 5:17 AM
@Scarilian - But a biopic wouldn't have to focus on it having already happened. It could track the lives of the FF through their origins al the way up to having kids and beyond.

Like when you see a biopic of a star, like Tina Turner or whatever, you see her as a kid, you see her get famous, you see her fall in love, fall out of love, the whole story.

That would be something entirely unique for a superhero movie, that we would almost have to rewire our brains for, but I think it could be something special. Matt Shakman is directing the movie and his last Marvel thing, Wandavision, was exactly the sort of novel, unique approach that you had to rewire your brain for, but turned out to be something very special.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 4/4/2024, 8:15 AM
Feels early as shit to bring them in, they better have Doom in there to some extent because it'd be an absolute waste if they just skipped over the Doom Valeria goddaughter relationship.
TheFinestSmack
TheFinestSmack - 4/4/2024, 8:20 AM
@HashTagSwagg - Right? Galactus should be a later villain, or even an Avenger's-level threat. Not sure what thet're planning, but my faith in Marvel has run out.
Matador
Matador - 4/4/2024, 10:09 AM
@HashTagSwagg - Exactly! Skipping past many historical stories and jumping to a climax.

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Like climbing the mountain without climbing the mountain and getting dropped off at the top via helicopter.
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 4/4/2024, 8:15 AM
Why have a herald with no Galactus? Makes perfect sense. Looking forward to this spin on the IP and see how they fold it into 616
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/4/2024, 8:17 AM
Galactus in the first movie, genius. You need to have a bigger threat with each movie, if you are planning a trilogy, Galactus should be the final boss not the first.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 4/4/2024, 2:18 PM
@marvel72 -
They have no plan. I'd imagine this itteration of the Fantastic Four will only appear for Fantastic Four, Avengers 5 & Avengers 6/7 and then they'll full reboot.
marvel72
marvel72 - 4/4/2024, 10:10 PM
@Scarilian - Yeah you are probably right. They are making it up as they go along.
DannRamm113
DannRamm113 - 4/4/2024, 8:18 AM
Here’s a theory:

If this Fantastic Four is in an alternate universe, what if Galactus wins by the end and devours their earth, before they’re transfered to mainline MCU.

It would give them a decidedly dark start, and provide them with a similar “fish out of water” vibe like Cap did, except they came from a world in which they failed
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