David Goyer Writing Ghost Rider Sequel

Nicolas Cage has been suggesting for a while now that he's game for "Ghost Rider 2," and now it looks like it will come to pass.

"Variety" is reporting that David S. Goyer is in early talks to create the story for the sequel. Cage will presumably be back for more given how excited he's sounded about it.

No word on whether the director of the first film, Mark Steven Johnson, will be back as well. In the "Variety" piece, former Marvel head Avi Arad, who will produce "Ghost Rider 2," also talked up some of the other Marvel properties that might find their way to the screen given the Disney acquisition-- Dr. Strange, Nick Fury, Power Pack, Guardians of the Galaxy, and The Avengers all got name checked, even though Fury and the Avengers are already part of ongoing movies. I guess he just want to remind everyone at every turn of just how many Marvel characters we're dealing.

As for the Ghost Rider movie, the sequel seems to mostly be motivated from Sony's desire to keep the property and not cede it do Disney. They can't keep the movie in development forever without progress, of course. I wouldn't expect to see this one actually coming to fruition any time soon.

Barry Dingle
9/23/2009
Variety

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114 Comments

	Yo very cool news @ BARRY!! ; ) I liked GR!!! LEEE777 - 9/23/2009, 3:40 PM
	BRING. IT. ON. :-D Imran - 9/23/2009, 3:40 PM
	I liked GR too but it did seem a little rushed especialy towards the end :) teabag - 9/23/2009, 3:42 PM
	it's been awhile so i cant remember if ghost rider was good. InFamouslyCool - 9/23/2009, 3:47 PM
	I like GR but the movies was not good. It had GR moments but it had some really bad ones as well. Dark Heart and Mephisto sucked. A second one, re-boot cast, and have a cross over. CrashTest - 9/23/2009, 3:50 PM
	NO TO [frick]ING REBOOTS! LEEE777 - 9/23/2009, 3:51 PM
	Let Tim Burton do it....... lol AAAHHH gotta go and sleep...have fun :) teabag - 9/23/2009, 3:51 PM
	hmmmm. How odd. Didn't the first one perform poorly? DarthMulder - 9/23/2009, 3:55 PM
	this is a movie that deperatly needs to be rebooted. it was too kid-like. GHOST RIDER WAS AND ALMOST ALWAYS HAS BEEN A GRINDHOUSE HORROR-ESQUE STORY. instead you can see CAGES HAIR PIECE WHIZZING IN THE BREEZE WHILE HE EATS JELLYBEANS (LOL I LOVE JELLYBEANS BUT...COME ON...THATS CORNY.) THE DARK KNIGHT WAS DARKER THAN THIS PIECE OF SHIT. AND THE VILLIANS SUCK! PETER FONDA WAS A HORRIBLE CHOICE FOR MEPHISTO AND "BLACK HEART" WAS SHOWN AS A PANCY, HIS "DEMONS" SUCKED ALMOST AS BAD AS HE DID. HIS SPECIAL-EFFECTS, EVIL GUISE LOOKED CHEESY AS HELL! dellamorte1872 - 9/23/2009, 3:55 PM
	lol @ Dellmorte DarthMulder - 9/23/2009, 3:56 PM
	Ok dark sequel please with a good serious story and good director please and destroy those bloody jelly beans! dancingmonkey08 - 9/23/2009, 3:59 PM
	I don't really want to see a reboot, unless it's not an origin story. TheUnknown - 9/23/2009, 3:59 PM
	WHO SHOULD DIRECT GHOST RIDER 2? GUNSMITH - 9/23/2009, 4:01 PM
	Please, make this actually good this time! The first was way too comical, and wasn't nearly as serious as it should have been. Go ahead with a sequel, but change the cast, Johnny is top priority. Whoever thought Nic Cage was a good idea for Blaze, they need to be fired, IMMEDIATELY. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 4:03 PM
	Nite @ TEA!! LEEE777 - 9/23/2009, 4:05 PM
	I didn't mind Nic Cage as Blaze. As long as it shuts him up about being a superhero. The problem was really the story it wasn't as Dark as it should have been. Blaze really needs a deep story. StrangemannX09 - 9/23/2009, 4:06 PM
	THIS IS SERIOUSLY ONE OF THE WORST COMIC FILMS EVER, I KNOW NOT ALL AGREE LOL...BUT ITS EVEN MORE LAUGHABLE THAN DAREDEVIL, AND THAT WAS BAD! THIS IS MORE WATCHABLE THAN ANG LEES HULK SNORE-FEST (I HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP LITERALLY EVERYTIME IVE SEEN IT) dellamorte1872 - 9/23/2009, 4:06 PM
	I do agree that this movie was awful. Bad acting, bad direction, bad CGI, bad all around. Daredevil was okay though, haven't seen the Director's Cut of that yet though. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 4:12 PM
	dellamorte1872: What are you talking about? Ghost Rider wasn't exactly good but it wasn't terrible either. It had some decent scenes. The casting was terrible on all counts and obviously that is gonna spoil a film. but it is enjoyable in its own way. As for Daredevil I think it gets some shit that it doesn't deserve. Ok so the playground fightscene between DD and Elektra is complete shite and bizarre but apart from that it only had a few minor niggles and the directors cut is brilliant, maybe not up there with the likes of spidey 2, x2 and TDK but it was good. same goes for Hulk. Maybe should have been trimmed but all it really needed was a decent climax and a proper villain smackdown. The reboot has the ending but its missing something that ang lees version had. No more bad mouthing DD ok! krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 4:24 PM
	I don't get Nick Cage. He claims to be a huge comic fan, named his kid Kal-El, has a Ghost Rider tat, all that, but he keeps jumping on board these terrible CBMs like the God awful version of Supes he was cast in (No flying, black suit, no cape, etc.), a really dumbed down almost child-like take on Ghost Rider as a Jelly bean swilling Johnny Blaze. You'd think such a huge comic fan would want these stories to be more loyal. I just don't get it. Mark Steven Johnson needs to stay the hell away from comicdom, he's at two strikes already, to allow him a third is just bad all around. nerosday - 9/23/2009, 4:24 PM
	@Tyler - COME'ON now!!! you liked daredevil more than ghostrider?? G-Rider wasn't that bad....Well, Oh? wait?...Nic Cage supposedly..Everything else was just average but cheesy!!! Minotauro - 9/23/2009, 4:24 PM
	Man, the first one was reeeaaaaalllly hard to watch... Bijous - 9/23/2009, 4:25 PM
	Yes, I liked DD more than Ghost Rider. The acting was superior, the tone much more fitting to the character, the action also very fitting to the character, etc. Ghost Rider had dreadful acting, an unfitting comedic tone, and bland action, at least for my tastes. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 4:28 PM
	No more bad mouthing DD krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 4:29 PM
	I'M A DD FAN, THEY LOST ME AT THE BEGINNING (HOW HE SLEEPS IN A SENSORY DEPREVATION CAPSULE) I THINK IT WAS HORRIBLE, BUT TO EACH HIS OWN dellamorte1872 - 9/23/2009, 4:31 PM
	@Tyler - Nic Cage = Ben Affleck in both comparisons.. I agree with you on DD having the better darker tone! But ghostrider was just for fun! And you have to know the GR comics to know the character.. Minotauro - 9/23/2009, 4:35 PM
	DELLA! BE [frick]ING GRATEFUL YOU EVEN GOT A DD MOVIE!!! : D And i liked it, BULLSEYE made that movie!! LEEE777 - 9/23/2009, 4:36 PM
	Ben Affleck was superior to Cage by far. He felt like the character, both Murdock and DD, while Cage only sort of felt like Blaze, and didn't feel like GR in the slightest. Just because GR was "for fun" doesn't excuse the fact that it was poorly made and acted. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 4:40 PM
	Im usually against rebooting movies but Ghost Rider SUCKED! They should go the way of Incredible hulk.Plus Ghost Rider could be part of the avengers. bubastis237 - 9/23/2009, 4:40 PM
	Tyler: While I think ghost rider is ok, I do agree with your comments...Fonda was dreadfull and not the mephisto I wanna see. Blackheart was absolute shit. Wes Bentley(I think thats his name) was a disgrace... why did he get that role? And I f#@ing hate the jellybeans tic. complete shit. But I have seen worse....Catwoman, Elektra, Batman Forever, Batman And Robin, Superman 4...I could go on krypton38* - 9/23/2009, 4:41 PM
	Could Nic Cage actually try acting in this movie. I cannot believe that guy won an academy award, and he just went through the motions in Ghost Rider. Almost the worst acting I've ever seen- then I saw The Happening. SoulCollector - 9/23/2009, 4:42 PM
	i remember now.. it sucked, and looked really cheap. no thanks, i'd rather see another finding nemo. InFamouslyCool - 9/23/2009, 4:43 PM
	Ghost Rider needs to be rebooted big time. I dont think they need a big name actor just good actors. Oh and a better script and most importantly it needs to be violent not kid friendly krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 4:49 PM
	I don't think they necessarily have to reboot. They just have to recast is all. And make the tone more serious and the story darker and more mature. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 4:52 PM
	I'd prefer to see a completely different version to be honest. Ghost Rider is one of my favourite marvel comics and I think it could be done so much better. Tom Jane as BLAZE krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 4:59 PM
	"Ben Affleck was superior to Cage by far. He felt like the character, both Murdock and DD, while Cage only sort of felt like Blaze, and didn't feel like GR in the slightes. Just because GR was "for fun" doesn't excuse the fact that it was poorly made and acted." @Tyler - If GR is poorly made and acted! Then the oscar should go the over-acted bullseye/scottish Collin Farrell!! Or the limp Ben Affleck/Matt Murdock..Where's Stick? Oh, he's in Elekra! Nic Cage was plain out miss casted! Eve Mendes tried.. And the Black Heart was just not to intimidating .. But both are just like it is...poorly made by the same director!!! There go, both "for fun"??? Minotauro - 9/23/2009, 5:03 PM
	GR needs to have a younger actor in the roll than Cage or Tom Jane...and it needs to be dark and serious with no damm camp! Geez, I thought camp in superhero movies went out with the disastrous "Batman & Robin"! Get rid of the stinking camp in CBM'S!!! Yeah, Tyler@, they definitely need to recast! And get a horror director to direct it! DDD - 9/23/2009, 5:07 PM
	finally part 2 flames809 - 9/23/2009, 5:14 PM
	Needs to be R - Rated. Get cage out of there. I agree DDD we need a good horror director in on this one. spideysweb - 9/23/2009, 5:15 PM
	Farrell was great as Bullseye. He didn't over act at all, he nailed the character's personality. As did Affleck, he was serious as DD, kind and sympathetic as Murdock. Well, maybe he didn't nail DD, but he was good. I'm not really sure what you meant by your last sentence, so I can't comment. InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/23/2009, 5:16 PM
	@ DDD-I totally agree the campy vide has to go. That's what's killing the movies. Execs think they need a campy flick in order to get younger audiences to like it. That's done and over with now. Kids are just as into a serious story as we are. StrangemannX09 - 9/23/2009, 5:24 PM
	Minotauro: Colin Farrell is Irish you idiot, and he was brilliant in the role krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 5:28 PM
	david G YES this means GR will have a good script this time thedarkknight666 - 9/23/2009, 5:29 PM
	Why the F@#K would any director who knew a thing about Ghost Rider wanna make him camp anyway? krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 5:31 PM
	thedarkknight666: While I like Goyer he was responsible for writing the Nick Fury movie and funnily enough Ghost Rider was based on a script by Goyer although it was watered down an awful lot. And lets not forget about Blade Trinity krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 5:35 PM
	Thats the best news I have heard in a while!! Its about time they bring on GR2!!! Go Nicolas Cage!! Hulk2008 - 9/23/2009, 5:38 PM
	Ghost Rider was OK but it just seemed a little childish considering how satanic the premise is. Ryguy88 - 9/23/2009, 5:43 PM
	if ther doin a sequal, it has to be darker. if ther doin a reboot, i suggest goin with th dan ketch version this time torched4 - 9/23/2009, 5:49 PM
	nick cage was not bad the writer was and the director was I believe in rob zombie for the director or tim burton or if they did it together. it will never happed but that would be sweet. as far as a writer I vote for wes craven. blowexican - 9/23/2009, 5:51 PM
	I agree with torched4. The Dan Ketch storyline is far more interesting krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 5:51 PM
	blowexican is talking shit and living in a dreamworld populated by morons krypton38 - 9/23/2009, 6:14 PM
	@LEEE/Tea: LMAO!!!!! I kinda liked GR1, I hope this will be better... TheCritic17 - 9/23/2009, 6:18 PM
	the only amusing part in the whole movie was when ghost rider got smashed into the wall with that semi. other than that, i can't sit through the whole thing, its so terrible. i hope someone got offed for making that one... and if they're making a new one, just please make it more dark. and no nick cage. that guy can't act his way out of a nutsack CorndogBurglar - 9/23/2009, 6:38 PM
	God,I'm going to avoid this pile of shit like the fracking plague. antz1104 - 9/23/2009, 7:10 PM
	Horror director...??? Sam Raimi??? BRUCE CAMPBELL FOR GR!!! Well even he would be less campy than Cage! Sorry but that had to be his worst performance ever in his carreer!!! The play ground fight in DD looked like an award winning choreography compared to any scene in GR. DD is such a good film with bad CG and less than adaquate fight scenes. Just for having Favreau as Foggy, DD hits it out of the park compared to GR, Elektra, X-3, Spider-man3, Schumaker's Batshits and any Superman film. Shaman - 9/23/2009, 7:14 PM
	Hey guys! Long time reader, First time poster. Final broke down and made an account to get in on these discussions. Thanks for making this such a great site everybody. Now down to business... WonderKid - 9/23/2009, 7:23 PM
	The beauty of the Ghost Rider series is the comic was rebooted itself, so the movie franchise really doesn't need to be. If Nick Cage runs this into the ground they can recast and use Dan Ketch, instead of Johnny Blaze. WonderKid - 9/23/2009, 7:25 PM
	johnny depp for ghost rider lol? Weiner123 - 9/23/2009, 7:27 PM
	welcome to the neighborhood, wonderkid!!!! im pretty new here too i thought ghost rider sucked as a movie. Next! Duhdaduh - 9/23/2009, 7:30 PM
	Welcome wonderkid! And yes I liked the comic reboot about satan escaping from hell and breaking into a hundred devils was EPIC. Blaze got played over and over again...tool. That would be a good way to reboot it. (and not w/ Nic Cage: loved him in Kiss of Death and then it al went downhill...) antz1104 - 9/23/2009, 8:29 PM
	I'm not a Cage fan, but I did read a recent interview where he said the Ghost Rider sequel should be a lot darker. At the very least he realizes the movie was far from the comic material. Hope they get the second one right, these second chances are really getting on my last fking nerve. There is no excuse for bad comic related movies anymore, none! ASSASSIN666** - 9/23/2009, 8:38 PM
	i consider ghost rider in the same level as dolph's punisher. it sucked. BIG TIME...nic cage doesn't to be blaze nor any other super hero for that matter. but it doesn't make him a bad actor. he just simply doesn't fit in the comic book world...maybe we could find a villain that could fit him. yeah wonderkid, they should make him retire as blaze in the 2nd one and make a dan ketch version! redskullrevenge - 9/23/2009, 8:48 PM
	Do you think that movie makers screw up comic book movies on purpose because they like to hear us complain? defunny - 9/23/2009, 8:49 PM
	no reboot, no sequel, no more ghost rider. with all the characters out there why beat a dead horse?!? InFamouslyCool - 9/23/2009, 9:04 PM
	I kinda enjoyed ghost rider, but there's always room for improvement, and this film series definitely needs it. supermarioworldE - 9/23/2009, 9:07 PM
	They don't give a fk about us, the integrity of the comics, or who plays what role. They only care about money bottom line, my opinion that line should be wrapped around their throats. These scumbags only care about striking while the iron is hot, they should all get fked. Thank God we at least have Nolan, Favreau, and Snyder to give us decency among the slew of shit we get handed. ASSASSIN666 - 9/23/2009, 9:10 PM
	I liked GR but agree that it needs to go much darker and more mature of tone. Maybe match Blade in seriousness. I hope they go for it and put some depth to it. I have always loved the song "Ghost Riders in the Sky." ;) DD was a faithful CBM interpitation even with Ben Affleck for a Hollywood project. That might be its flaw also. DD is not a save the world hero. Just another thorn in Kingpin's side. Go ahead and question my taste but I liked it as well. Additionally: I think it would have been pretty funny if he lost his new pet box turtles when he was struck with the toxic chemicals. (know the referance?) JYCowboy - 9/23/2009, 9:52 PM
	I always though DD was pretty good, it's one of the few movies that I actually liked Ben afleck in. thwhtGuardian - 9/23/2009, 10:19 PM
	cool AvengingAngel1022 - 9/23/2009, 10:32 PM
	Thanks for going off topic and over to DD! GR was a big pile of dung and a sequel would be like the beetle that's living in it. Now, on to Daredevil! I'm surprised so many of you liked it so much. To me it was ok at best. A rushed story, bad casting and shitty wire work and CGI make for a disappointing CBM. Jen Garner made Elektra looked like a school teacher that takes kickboxing aerobics classes at the gym! Ben Affleck was so out of shape it was funny to watch! I want a reboot/continuation along the lines of The Incredible Hulk. Do you guys remember David Keith as Matt Murdock's father? TELL me Michael C. Hall doesn't look like he could play his son! They both look devilish in a way ;) MultiPurposePoni - 9/23/2009, 10:37 PM
	he could play mattie redskullrevenge - 9/23/2009, 10:45 PM
	@red I see you can smell what I'm cooking :) Michael C. Hall for Matt Murdock! @Shaman. . . Cue the promo sketch! MultiPurposePoni - 9/23/2009, 10:48 PM
	Dellemorte and Nerosday, I couldn't agree more with the both of you about the GR movie, and especially about Neros Mark Johnson comment. Tyler, Dude, watching the Director's Cut of DD is like watching a whole different movie. The theater cut is IMO oe of the 3 worst CBM's ever made (Elektra and Ang Lee Hulk) The DC however, should have been the theater cut, the extra 30 minutes makes all the difference. The biggest problems with GR were the villains. The elemental demons sucked horribly as they were basically a dissected Centurious and the scenes featuring them were stiff and rushed. What was done to Blackheart is unforgivable. For GR2... bring on the real Centurious!! TheMyth - 9/23/2009, 11:34 PM
	Speaking of Daredevil (A favorite of mine "cause he has the same initials as my real name.), here's a cute little toon I found... DDD - 9/24/2009, 12:43 AM
	DDD@ lol....and Daredevil Directors cut is far superior The problem with the first GR is they mixed Johnny Blaze with the later Danyy Ketch character.....Blaze was always in control when he was in ghost rider where as Danny was completely possessed..he never made a deal with the devil to save his dad but his adopted parent who didnt even like him...he just wanted to get into his step sisters knickers...now thats a darker story.they needed to just stick with one idea:) Put some thought into the idea of GR2 and cast Paul Walker as a younger Johnny Blaze :) teabag - 9/24/2009, 1:53 AM
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	?? teabag - 9/24/2009, 2:51 AM
	@themyth, if you like the DC of DD why do you still dislike MSJ so much? ComicChic - 9/24/2009, 6:35 AM
	My problem with Ghost Rider is the same problem I had with the Spider-Man movies. The Mask/Skull should be seen more than the friggin' person underneath it! Can Columbia not make a good comic book film? AxlKomix - 9/24/2009, 6:51 AM
	I agree with Nerosday, Dellmorte, and TheMyth. I won't bother to elaborate because I know I will just be attacked. But I will say this . I thought GR was quite a bit better than DD. The dialogue was better, and except for them using the Dan Ketch GR look it was more faithful to the comic than DD by far. I thought they represented GR's powers fairly well, where as in DD they turned his Radar power into visual sound wave detection and had him super leaping. DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 7:00 AM
	Ghost Rider is not a character that im that fond of and the movie was pretty mediocre IMO - still, maybe the sequel can improve that! :) joshw24 - 9/24/2009, 7:02 AM
	DarthMulder@ Powers wise yeah GR was mor faithful..well apart from the penance stare but as an origin DD was pretty much correct...GR was twisted and screwed up beyond beleif :) teabag - 9/24/2009, 7:24 AM
	Alot of you guys want a 'hard R' rated Ghost Rider. It's never going to happen. Look at Punisher: War Zone. R rated, dark and gritty, true to the comics (at least more than the previous two versions). . bombed at the box office. Marvel has already said that they will no longer produce any R rated movies. Unfortunately, it is next to impossible to stay true to characters such as Ghost Rider, Punisher, Blade and Deadpool with a PG-13 rated movie. My humble suggestion? Don't make those movies. Sure it's a sacrifice for fans, but do we really want to see watered down versions of the characters we love so much? MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 7:42 AM
	@ teabag: When Fank Miller entered the DD picture he revolutionized the character and made him who we know him as today. Miller retconned and added Stick and Elektra into Daredevil's origin which completed his origin in ways they could not have concieved of in the '60's. So the writer left in the Elektra part but not the Stick part. I look at Stick's teachings as an ESSENTIAL part of the DD mythos. If that doesn't make any sense, then try to teach yourself Ninjutsu. Or Kung Fu. Just going to the gym and hitting the bag can NOT teach you those things, but DD knows them. Having Stick in the story explains how he knows them. I regard the now seminal Man Without Fear series as the ultimate guide on DD's early life because it shuffles the original orgin togther witht he retconned '80's version. There were detail omitted from the movie GR version but I don't think it was anything crucial. Do you? DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 7:45 AM
	DarthMulder@ i see where your going with DD but it does not deveate from the classic more than GR......... Johnny Blaze becomes an orphan cus Barton Blaze dies in an accident when he was a kid but his dads bezzy mate Crash Simpson takes him into there family of stunt riders, as he grows up he plays around on the bikes and accidently causes the death of Crash's wife....she makes johnny promise not to ride again in the show........this all makes Crash despise Johnny, but he just wants to get into his Step sisters panties...anyway....Crash ends up with a month to live and Johnny doesnt want to brake his promise so he (god knows why) calls satan to cure Crash......he then becomes GR but his love with Roxanne makes it impossible for Satan to take his soul and tries all sorts of things to get him ..blah blah blah.........there is more drama there then in the movie but the original GR series was dull as hell ..lol :) teabag - 9/24/2009, 7:55 AM
	oh crap.. OK so obviously I am not as familiar with GR as I am with DD. LOL OK I retract that my earlier statement. The GR origin was really [frick]ed up too lol Obviously this is another case where the comic origin was incredibly superior. DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 8:01 AM
	SirPrize - 9/24/2009, 8:12 AM
	DarthMulder/SirPrize@ amen ..lol :P teabag - 9/24/2009, 8:14 AM
	ComicChic, Despite how much better the DC is than the theatrical cut (on a 1-10 scale, theatrical would be a 1 while DC would be a 6.5, to me anyway) the DC is still mediocre as a CBM while its retarded little brother, theatrical, was just plain awful. Johnson has had 2 attempts at CBM's, and neither were very good. The DD DC was marginally better than the theatrical, enough to take the movie from unbearable to watchable and somewhat entertaining, but that doesn't earn him another shot. So far, the Daredevil DC is as good as I've seen Johnson get with a CBM and like it or not, he's as responsible for the theatrical as he is the DC. Does this suffice for an explanation ;) TheMyth - 9/24/2009, 8:51 AM
	@themyth, watch the commentary on the director's cut, MSJ was not pleased with the theatrical (which is why he pushed for the release of the DC) it was the producer's decision to go with thqt one and Mark was not happy about it (I know this from other sources but you can tell in the extras commentary). That's the thing, directors only have so much power and the idiot producers at Fox can screw things all they like in production and casting and the directors get blamed. ComicChic - 9/24/2009, 9:16 AM
	you want GR really violent and rated R? so lets make it like punisher war zone, because i know you loved that. p.s i liked punisher war zone. UltimateHobgoblin666 - 9/24/2009, 9:19 AM
	Ultimathobgoblin@ me too :) teabag - 9/24/2009, 9:20 AM
	@UltimateHobgoblin I likeed PWZ alot! I'm ready for a sequel or a Punisher cameo in another movie. . . Check out my Daredevil Re-boot Casting ;) I think you'll like it MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 9:28 AM
	ComicChic, I bought the DC when it first released many moons ago. I watched all the commentary and such back then, but it's been years. All this talk is making me wanna pull it off the shelf and check it out again. I'll do as you suggest and watch the features all again for a refresher. Warzone rocked! it had some goofy moments, but I enjoyed it much. I didn't like the douche who played Loony Bin Jim and the part when Jigsaw and LBJ get arrested in that ladies house was so stupid, but movies have their flaws. TheMyth - 9/24/2009, 9:29 AM
	@ multipurpose the punisher didn't suck because it was rated R. it sucked because it had a terrible director and story. oh yeah, and acting. CorndogBurglar - 9/24/2009, 9:43 AM
	@CorndogBurglar You think it sucked. I don't. I liked it alot better than the two previous versions. To me, it's the best interpretation of a Punisher movie we'll see anytime soon. MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 9:45 AM
	Hell yeah! Bring it on! BmanHall - 9/24/2009, 9:47 AM
	Multi@ 100% :) teabag - 9/24/2009, 9:51 AM
	Cage is too old. GR was too campy. Needed more badassery. TheJester - 9/24/2009, 9:53 AM
	I agree with corndogburgler, BUT... PWZ got mad props from me for being more like the comic. I like it better than the first one for that reason DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 10:06 AM
	I also agree with Multi. PWZ was better than the other two, but that's just not saying much. The second one had great star power, and a decent budget and it still couldn't do it justice. DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 10:12 AM
	@Darth Unfortunately, we won't see another Punisher movie that will do the character justice in his own movie. Marvel is strictly against R-rated films now (and the Disney merger I'm sure will solidify it). I think Frank/Ray should do some cameos in other movies for the next few years. Such as. . . Daredevil ;) MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 10:15 AM
	guys, the punisher rights and the ghost rider rights are not owned by marvel. i don't think that whole "no more R-rated movies" applies to them. marvel and disney can say "no more R-rated movies" all they want, but they aren't the ones making over half the movies that are marvel characters. CorndogBurglar - 9/24/2009, 11:10 AM
	@ multi i just think the PWZ was too goofy and campy, with over the top violence that was more comical than serious. thats not how the punisher is. i personally think 1989 punisher is the best interpretation of it. dolph lundgren may be a terrible actor, but in that role he was great. punisher is a cold, emotionless killer, and dolph pulled that off pretty well. his voice is how i would expect the punisher to sound if he were real. yeah there were things wrong with it, but the tone was nearly dead on. i can't say that about tom jane's punisher movie (it was too light), or PWZ (it was too goofy and comical) but those are just my opinions, more power to you for yours. CorndogBurglar - 9/24/2009, 11:14 AM
	Corndog@ Dolphs voice sounds nothing like anything id like to hear..lol :P teabag - 9/24/2009, 11:50 AM
	@CorndogBurglar: Punisher: War Zone was released by Marvel Knights Pictures, an offshoot of Marvel Studios dealing with movies for mature audiences. Sorry to disappoint, but that sounds to me like Marvel has a say. @tea. . . I will break you MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 12:00 PM
	If he DIES..he DIES...lmao teabag - 9/24/2009, 12:25 PM
	LOL @ Tea... Rocky 4 hahha The roll of a big overgrown lunkhead with bad English was perfect for that guy lol DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 12:52 PM
	Ryan Reynolds for a Dolph Lundgren biography! MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 12:57 PM
	lmao DarthMulder - 9/24/2009, 1:05 PM
	multi my mistake, i didn't realize marvel knights was the production company. but that still doesn't mean we couldn't see a R-rated GR movie. i don't think we will, but marvel has no say over that CorndogBurglar - 9/24/2009, 1:34 PM
	Believe it or not, Ghost Rider made $228 million worldwide and $45 mil in it's first week of release in the U.S. alone! So a sequel is pretty much inevitable! I think we have to accept that these non-Marvel produced film adaptations of their characters are always going to be geared toward a broader audience. Judging by that standard, I felt GR was a great movie! If you compare it to the comic, it will always fall short, so to do so will just ruin your potential enjoyment of the viewing experience. If everyone lowered their expectations, the flick would likely be more entertaining to all! There were a lot of cool scenes in the film that satisfied my action fix: GR riding up the side of the building, the jail scene, the nod to the original Ghost Rider(aka the Phantom Rider), the first time Blaze transformed, the creative use of his chain, the combining of aspects of the Blaze and Ketch versions... I like the fact that the film tried to appeal to kids and inject a sense of fun while still maintaining some horror elements! What I liked best about the movie was that there wasn't any sense of traditional super heroing--Mephisto sent GR out as his agent to kill Blackheart! THAT'S no hero, that's a demon!! And Eva Mendes was a highlight, if only for her looks! The ending was well done, too! You guys have to remember, our love for these characters came about during our childhoods! I think it's unfair to totally cut out the younger generations of fans (who will discover these properties for the first time) when airing our critisms and grievances about how these movies are made ! The non-Marvel producers feel pressured to give the project wide appeal so as to obviously create maximum returns. It's hard introducing youngsters to characters who are so sophisticated and have so many decades of continuity behind them. As such, a decision has to made as to who to target the film at. A big budget studio will always go for the larger demographic, so a lot of arguements on the subject are lost in all the noise! We're basically complaining to ourselves!! As for a hard R-rated GR horror flick - ain't gonna happen! Unless Marvel produces, any studio would likely see it as too big of a risk! Fingers are crossed for the sequel, though! And damn! From some of these comments, we've become one spoiled bunch! Calling for no sequel at all, when 10 years ago we were dying to see these movies get made seems a bit ungrateful to me! No one wants to see bad movies get released , but there's a lot of politics and BS that goes into getting these movies made! Just think, the success of Blade(?!) lead to the making of the X-Men and Spider-Man movies! Hollywood is a STRANGE-ass place!! As far as MSJ, the DD film nailed the origin, but fell apart in the middle, jumping straight to the Frank Miller era, which was a huge mistake! That should've been saved for the sequel! Kingpin did not need to be black and would not have been beaten so easily!! Elektra was introduced way to early; what happened to Karen Page?! The Born Again storyline would have served for an epic first film leading into the Kingpin being introduced at the end, leaving us all chomping at the bit waiting for part 2! If Bullseye were the only villain we could've saved Fisk for the sequel which would've been the perfect buildup as well as leaving room to expand on the SECOND part of DD's origin concerning his training with Stick! Too much story was condensed into 2 hours! In the comics, these stories played out over years so it's good that they're at least taking their time! JonF - 9/24/2009, 3:30 PM
	@JonF Dude, I'm with you regarding DD except for two things. First, you said " the DD film nailed the origin". Not quite, Kingpin did not kill Matt's father. Secondly, how can you add Stick teaching Matt to the sequel? Stick taught Matt before he took on the DD persona, therefore, he needs to be referenced in the first movie. MultiPurposePoni - 9/24/2009, 5:33 PM
	It's about cutting back and forth between present day and the past! The first film showed his childhood and motivations for becoming DD, while the second could delve more into his training. To give his full origin in one film would likely take up too much time, but I suppose it could be done ala Batman Begins! The reason I said this was:following MSJ's lead in using Elektra, it would be logical to connect the two with Stick; this was done in the Elektra film, which was made in place of DD2. I think Elektra should have been saved for the sequel, so spreading Matt's full origin to two parts would allow time for more action in both flicks. Sorry. I haven't watched the whole movie in years, so everything was spot on about his origin EXCEPT for that! JonF - 9/25/2009, 2:25 PM

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