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Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/22/2021, 1:51 AM
You can tell Snyder really cares about his cast, and that they care about him too.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 3/22/2021, 2:05 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I may not like most of his characters, but I do like him very much for that. Seems like a genuine nice guy
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:06 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I do feel like Snyder is way too lax with his cast, though. Amber Heard came up to him and said "I'm going to do Mera's accent like I'm Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins, alright?" and Snyder just gave her the thumbs up.

Being a director is sort of like being a parent. You can be friendly and you need to be supportive, but you also need to lay down the law sometimes and protect your kids/performers from making mistakes. Jenkins gets good performances out of Gadot (I assume) because she pushes her, does more takes, or helps her prepare. Snyder just does not get very good line readings from Gadot.

You're right about the personal commitment and I get how that fosters loyalty.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/22/2021, 2:22 AM
@Spock0Clock - was it confirmed Heard’s English accent was added before or after Aquaman?

I was always under the impression it was Snyder’s idea to add that horrible accent originally, hence why he brought it back for the additional scenes he filmed?
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:25 AM
@Se4M4NSt4ine - I have no idea, and I haven't seen anyone else mention it. Whoever thought it was a good idea should immediately be fired from ever working in movies, though, because it was truly atrocious.
Se4M4NSt4ine
Se4M4NSt4ine - 3/22/2021, 2:27 AM
@Spock0Clock - I can see why Wan opted to leave it out of his movie!
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:28 AM
I should be clear, I was just assuming Heard's accent was something Snyder let slide and he absolutely shouldn't have. But if he was the one pushing for it, then that's a different kind of irresponsible on his part. I can just imagine him not noticing or caring how bad it is when part of his job is to protect his actors from embarrassing themselves like that.
Himura
Himura - 3/22/2021, 2:47 AM
@Spock0Clock - But filmmaking is a collaborative effort. There are plenty of times where actors point out to directors that their character might act a certain way that the director would have never noticed before.

Actors arent only there just to read lines and move around like puppets. They are all creatives and can contribute a lot to the process.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 3:06 AM
@Himura - I didn't say actors are only there to read lines. In franchises like this you absolutely need to have actors who take a big ownership in their roles (so they can maintain consistency across different writers and directors).

But actors aren't there to write and direct themselves, either. Some actors need more guidance, some need less. Some struggle to understand what their part is in the larger picture or what it is they're supposed to be reacting to on a blue screen set. Good directors will give actors freedom to explore and take ownership when they can, but they also give guidance and demand narrower focus when they have to. Each performer and project may require a different approach to get the best out of them.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 3/22/2021, 1:52 AM
I mean who would? That shit was embarrassing. Honestly starting to think WB was just taking the piss for no reason.
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 3/22/2021, 1:53 AM
Pictured: The last time Henry Cavill's Superman was treated with any sort of respect.
BroskiTroski
BroskiTroski - 3/22/2021, 1:57 AM
The shitty mustache removal CGI was the only time Henry Cavill’s Superman made me smile while onscreen, so it makes sense Snyder would wanna remove it. Heyoooo!
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 3/22/2021, 2:04 AM
After having seen ZSJL, I don't even get why they needed to reshoot scenes with Cavill. All his scenes worked fine in the context of the movie in my opinion.

And his CGI face didn't have to be his legacy, if WB just decides to move forward with a new Superman movie with him already
Qrboy
Qrboy - 3/22/2021, 2:13 AM
@bkmeijer - Which ones out of the reshoots were necessary?
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:17 AM
@bkmeijer - Whedon came in with a ton of notes from test screenings and reactions to Batman vs. Superman, I'm sure, and among them was surely "make Superman likable".

And Snyder's Superman Justice League material basically boiled down to a meaningless fight versus the rest of the League (which I get, on paper, it's a fun comic booky moment, but it just reinforced Asshole Superman), him mercilessly pummeling Steppenwolf, and yet another scene of him having zero chemistry with Amy Adams.

It's legitimate to say that they should have left it alone rather than add new scenes, but Snyder didn't leave Whedon with any material that repaired the damage his last movie did to Superman (or Batman for that matter). They just exist in this movie because they have to, but they largely fade into the background.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:23 AM
@Qrboy - The opening cellphone video is awkwardly done, but a very smart concept. In the Snyder Cut, the only direct reminder you give the audience that Superman existed was his weird CG death screams across the opening credits. When Whedon cut that (for time and silliness, I'm guessing), he absolutely needed a marker in the first act so that Superman doesn't come out of nowhere in the last hour.

That video and the montage after set up what a world with Superman and without him are like. It's effective (as rushed as it is).
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 3/22/2021, 2:31 AM
@Spock0Clock - agreed, a lot of the reshoot material seems like remedial stuff that was duct taped based on test screenings. And dare I say, SOME of it even works. That Batman vs. Parademon intro, as corny as it comes off does a pretty decent job at cutting down a good chunk of exposition fat, the Superman-Flash race was a nice bit of fan service, and not having Luthor reveal Batman's identity to Deathstroke avoids painting the writers of the next Batman film into a corner.
JFerguson
JFerguson - 3/22/2021, 2:32 AM
@Spock0Clock - I agree with the motivation behind the cellphone video. Superman had literally died in the last movie and there was no motivation for the audience to care at all. It was unwarranted and didn't complete any pre-established character arc in BvS.

So showing that cell phone intro at least got me to have some sympathy for reviving the guy.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 3/22/2021, 2:39 AM
@RageDriver2401 - If we're making a list of good reshoots, I want to add the Flash drawing on the dude's face in the prison.

That was a Whedon gag that I think 100% fit inside the bounds of what Snyder was going for (maybe minus the last line).



It's weird to devote that much time to a single joke when Whedon was trying to cut the movie down to two hours, but if we're operating on a "best possible cut regardless of length", then I would have definitely kept this in. It's the only time I thought Barry was funny in either cut.
GwenLantern
GwenLantern - 3/22/2021, 2:47 AM
@bkmeijer - I would assume that large chunks of the movie had yet to be shot and that the movie would have made no sense without them.

Zack's original vision was probably much more ambitious than what we got in ZSJL. Whedon was brought in to, among other things, make the film shorter, so he probably wrote and directed certain scenes to get from A to B quicker.

Of course, after seeing these same scenes in ZSJL... everything I've just said no longer makes sense.
After all Zack was given a budget of $70 million dollars and a whole extra year to reshoot. If there was originally a longer vision, one that can't merely be sped up to fit time constraints, one that would require Whedon to shoot new segments to make the film make sense and wasn't just easily cut flashbacks... then surely with $70mil and an extra year Zack could shoot these scenes.

It's not like he blew all of that money creating and/or souping up action scenes, making a mini-Cyborg origin movie or showing us Darkseid on Apocalips, in various future scenes, souping up Steppenwolf's CG, creating a larger flashback and a brand new Knightmare sequence. Is it?

And there's no way on earth that Zack would ever re-use or re-shoot any Whedon written bridging scene is there?

bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 3/22/2021, 4:11 AM
@RageDriver2401 @Spock0Clock - both opening scenes are pretty effective in establishing what the characters are, to me they just feel out of place with how the act the rest of the movie.

Still, Batman using Holt McCallany as bait is a pretty good opening to establish the movie's villains nonetheless.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 3/22/2021, 4:14 AM
@GwenLantern - yeah, I also assumed what Whedon did was bringing the movie quicker from point A to B. And the tight structure of that movie still holds up in my opinion, but after having seen ZSJL I don't see why they didn't just shortened this version
Doomsday8888
Doomsday8888 - 3/22/2021, 2:04 AM
And if you've watched the movie, you know there was no reason to turn Cavill into that monster.
He has little screentime, he's dope, but Whedon decided to delete the cool scenes, like the Flight 2.0, just so he could add that shitty ass opening.

Whedon was an Hydra agent all along.

But Snyder made his own future.
Made his own past! :D
dracula
dracula - 3/22/2021, 2:06 AM
Cgi lip doesnt change the fact that cavil finally got to play superman in that cut
regularmovieguy
regularmovieguy - 3/22/2021, 5:09 AM
@dracula

Bro....

Not sure what movie you watched but Cavill was Superman in this movie. Honestly not sure how you could prefer this



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