Hollywood Hypocrite: Joss Whedon's Anti-Capitalist rant

Hollywood Hypocrite: Joss Whedon's Anti-Capitalist rant

"The Avengers" director Joss Whedon went on a rant about American politics and capitalism during a Friday panel at this years SDCC.

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By Marxman12 - 7/15/2012
The popular director Joss Whedon ditched his usual comic-centric speeches for a more political lecture during a Q&A session at this year's San Diego Comic-Con.
When one female fan noted the anti-corporate themes in many of his movies and asked him to give his economic philosophy in 30 seconds or less, Joss Whedon started by comparing modern America to "Tsarist Russia". He went on to say “We are watching capitalism destroy itself right now" and that the term 'socialism' has been unnecessarily demonized. He placed most of the blame for that on former President Ronald Reagan and the current Republicans.
Currently, a website called celebritynetworth.com places Joss Whedon's wealth around $45 million. With the success of 2012's "The Avenger's" Whedon's wealth is sure to sky-rocket to further heights.
Joss Whedon is not the first, nor will he be the last, wealthy Hollywood celebrity to bite the proverbial hand that feeds him (aka the capitalist American economic system). However, it truly does come across as hypocritical to obtain all this wealth through a capitalist system and then criticize that very system that gave him so much liberty and success. Yet what has Whedon done to "socialize" his own wealth? A charity auction here and there is no where near the level required under socialist principles. This hypocrisy is on par with billionaire Warren Buffet's calls for higher taxes on the rich and yet Mr. Buffet has made no effort to part with larger sums of his money by making a "gift contribution" to the federal government. Stephen King, the acclaimed Horror author, has made the same call for higher taxes on the wealthy but made no effort to donate large percentages of his $400 million wealth.
The question is not whether people ought to be more virtuous or charitable with their wealth, the question is what is virtuous about being wealthy and wanting socialism but doing nothing in practice? It would seem that Whedon and much of the Hollywood elite believe socialism is good in theory but bad in personal practice.
Source: thewrap.com
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Supes17 - 7/15/2012, 9:10 PM
Eh, that's America for you :)
TheGambitFreakIsBatmanOfCBM - 7/15/2012, 9:16 PM
@Supes17 'Nuff Said.
kevberg - 7/15/2012, 9:16 PM
Yes Joss---- Capitalism is so bad...Tell how Socialism and Marxism is so much better.

Ijm sorry, You're worth around 45 million..Hey buddy, You now have to give me some cash, you crew, the actors who work with you and everyone else because its so terrible.


Fr@ggin Socialism is a giant participation trophy. everyone is special so NO ONE is.

How can someone so smart be so goddamn dumb.

and BTW, Ronald Reagan , in his prime would've whipped Joss's ass in a debate.

TheGambitFreakIsBatmanOfCBM - 7/15/2012, 9:16 PM
I was at this panel BTW.
ThreeBigTacos - 7/15/2012, 9:17 PM
I hate politics, does that mean I go around raising anarchy?

"However, it truly does come across as hypocritical to obtain all this wealth through a capitalist system and then criticize that very system that gave him so much liberty and success."

No that's just life. I sometimes HATE my job due to the customers, does that mean I'm a hypocrite for working there and loving my job regardless? No. Nor is that biting the hand that feeds me. It's all personal opinions.
AlSimmons - 7/15/2012, 9:17 PM
Aaaand yet he has the 3rd highest grossing movie and centered his movie largely around the billionaire philanthropist...
AlibiBreakfast - 7/15/2012, 9:17 PM
Sorry, pal, everything he said is right.

And guess what? We have socialism in this country already...it's called Social Security and Medicare, just for starters. The Fire Department is essentially socialist, as you pay into their services but haven't made use of them while others in your community do. We also give our soliders and vets socialized medicine. We took the concept of Social Security directly from the 1880's socialist German Chancellor Bismark. We have medicare which is a single-payer system set up for the elderly because no-one should have to worry about a pile of medical bills in the twilight of their lives. When you add all these programs together, almost 50% of the nation falls under one socialist program or another and Americans like it that way.
Minotauro - 7/15/2012, 9:18 PM
Whedons rant might have something to do with TDKR?

kevberg - 7/15/2012, 9:24 PM
Alibibreakfast

no, morons that raise their kids to just accept the governments owes you everything.

Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness...not the guarantee of it.

Its is SADLY hypocritical of moronic opinions like Joss and Matt Damon and all the hollywood know it alls to say " hey its not fair you corporate guys make all that cash but aren't taxed enough" but when it comes to the Hollywood libs...Oh no....they won't pay extra.

hey Joss, Matt, Hollywood....you can pay more ANYTIME you like. theres actually a government website for it.


we're waiting..............
AlibiBreakfast - 7/15/2012, 9:28 PM
@kevberg

Even the pursuit is denied to too many of your fellow citizens. We're living in the time of the greatest wealth inequality since the Gilded Age. Thanks to conservative policies and the corporate race to the bottom kicked off by Reagan, this nation's middle class has been slowly destroyed over the course of decades.
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 9:35 PM
I was trying to avoid being partisan but I guess that's not going to happen.

@AlibiBreakfast And how well are those European socialist programs working in America? Social Security and Medicare have trillions in unfunded liabilities.

@ThreeBigTacos Your personal work experiences and Whedon's hypocrisy is very different. He's not complaining about how hard it is to be a director or the demands of the job. He's complaining that capitalism is faulty and corrupt yet he has benefited largely from the capitalist system. Its like saying "I know I'm a millionaire but I hate the fact that I just earned a lot of money." Its sounds asinine and ungrateful, not to mention completely out of touch with most Americans. Most Americans are grateful for every extra dollar they make. They don't go to their customers and say "Hey, can you tell my manager that I'm making too much money? Its just really unfair that I get paid more for working harder than the rest."
soundwave129 - 7/15/2012, 9:40 PM
I love this. This sort of statement is a guarantee that the hardcore conservatives and liberals of this site will spend days raging over one mans personal opinions.
kevberg - 7/15/2012, 9:42 PM
Alibibreakfast

"your fellow citizens"

Sounds like you're not even from this country so you don't know d#ck.

Reagan was one of the greatest presidents to ever grace the country unlike this lying, law dodging, socialist cockstains in the white house now.

What you don't get is that anyone can walk out and get a job they want...if they try, if they don't make excuses, if they actual ignore the bullsh@t that apologist like Whedon tries to shovel down their throat.

Y'see , people like you believe Liberal crap that somehow everyones problems are because someone is trying to hold you down. sorry, i don't give a crap about you to want to stop you from being the best you can be. but keep believing it.

meanwhile i'll keep try to be better than the ext guy so i can excel.

Sorry, there nothing to stop you , except you ( and maybe office politics) .
kevberg - 7/15/2012, 9:46 PM
and by the whats with the Hollywood jackoffs anyway?

If i was worth 45 million dollars, i wouldn't be pissed off, try to squash conservative views and pissing folks off......I 'd be happy as a loon.

Goddamn...smile you're rich.

you can take that money and help whoever you want. NO ONE is stopping them.

ItsATrap - 7/15/2012, 9:47 PM
nothing agains capitalism or socialism, but what whedon said is just plain hypocritical.
and btw, warren buffet may not donate money to the federal government, but he does give millions of dollars every year to various global charities, and its hard to really yell at him for that :p
OverlyManlyMan - 7/15/2012, 9:52 PM
Dude, just let it go, why try to rant of Joss? Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Besides this is not a political site.
SuperDude001 - 7/15/2012, 9:56 PM
I'm not American so I probably have no reason to comment BUT seriously who cares? The guys a director not a politician. This is a comic book site not a politics report. It's one guys opinion, who I doubt had seriously thought of how people would react as he was at a comic book convention, what's the point of arguing about it? It's not like he's running for president or anything, it's just a random guys opinion.
(If I somehow seem ignorant or uninformed, sorry I am young and from Britain)
Moakynubs - 7/15/2012, 9:57 PM
The guy likes making movies and doesn't like how the economy is going. Just because his movies make money doesn't make him a hypocrite, I don't think.
DioFoRio - 7/15/2012, 9:58 PM
joss' money situation has nothing to do with calling things how you see then or how they truly are. Joss isn't the first person to see what's going on in this world and to comment on it. Nor will he be the last person in his wealth bracket to speak out against capitalism. Bottom line is if you need some celebrity to point out the issues with the world today for you, then you are part of the problem. Put down the US weely , turn off the Kartrashians and open your [frick]ing mind people.....and for the sonspiracy fruit-loops-The reptilians aren't coming to earth in their spaceships, nor have they been hibernating underground waiting to pounce. Take off your tinfoil caps and see that we as a people over generations let this happen. And for those blaming America solely. You are just as much a cog in the wheel of stupidity and laziness that keeps this machine of asininity running.
DioFoRio - 7/15/2012, 9:59 PM
*conspiracy
niceguyeddie - 7/15/2012, 10:01 PM
@Elchavo seconded.

This scathing condemnation comes from as you reported, a fan PROMPTING Joss to give his political view point and him giving it.

NEWS STORY OF A DECADE: PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS!



niceguyeddie - 7/15/2012, 10:05 PM
Mods, please keep this off main page. This kind of partisan hackery (from any side) only brings out the worst in people and reflects very poorly on this site.
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 10:25 PM
I'm not a hack, nor do I have any beef with Joss Whedon. I love almost all his work (not really a 'Buffy' fan) and I really loved 'The Avengers'.
Some of you may not like what I wrote but it is still news. What Whedon said IS controversial and this article is not meant to be a personal attack on Whedon, his character, or his work. I am just pointing out that his statements ARE hypocritical.
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 10:31 PM
I remember Frank Miller giving his political opinions and, for the most part, you all condemned him for his stances. There were no "well, he was just giving his opinion" or "everyone is entitled to their opinion". The majority here did not approach his comments objectively but decided to attack him for thinking differently.
For the most part, I kept my personal political views OUT of the article. I just pointed out what Whedon said and contrasted that with his circumstances.
niceguyeddie - 7/15/2012, 10:49 PM
I find Miller's comments equally as irrelevant.

Look, I appreciate that we have different opinions but your statement was obviously a political one. This article has no other possible outcome but to inflame both sides. You actually expect nerds of either ilk (who by and large are socially inept to some degree) to carry on a respectful and rational discourse? Have you read any of the policial "discussions" on this sight and came away thinking "I think we worked some things out and reached a respectful understanding of eachother's view points?

If see enough ugliness and vitriol on news site forums. I expect to avoid it here.
niceguyeddie - 7/15/2012, 10:50 PM
Excuse the typos.
AlibiBreakfast - 7/15/2012, 10:51 PM
@kevberg

I was born in this country, and considering the simplistic, mouth-breathing jingoistic nonsense you spout, I'm more American than you'll ever be.

Also, Ronald Reagan was the worst president we ever had...that is before George W. Gump's criminal reign of ignorance.

The poor are getting poorer while the rich are getting richer-- there's something broken about our system. Stop voting against your interests. Given the fact you obviously have a limited intellect, it's clear you aren't the CEO of a major corporation...so stop voting for their interests until you are (which will never happen) because Corporate America merely sees your kind as a useful idiot.
oldnoname - 7/15/2012, 11:08 PM
Wow. Politics, really? Like this site really needed that powder keg. lol
niceguyeddie - 7/15/2012, 11:11 PM
Alibi you're just feeding into it. Can't we all go back to debating who the bigger asshole is the old way? By if you prefer DC or Marvel.
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 11:16 PM
@AlibiBreakfast I would have thought Woodrow Wilson was the worst U.S. President seeing as he segregated the Federal government, saw the widest expansion of Jim Crow, screened the KKK movie 'Birth of a Nation' (he was also quoted in the film) at the White House, had black boxer Jack Johnson exiled out of the U.S. - all of this after having received such a large percentage of the black vote. On top of his racist policies, he campaigned on not getting involved in WWI yet not even a year after he took office the U.S. was entrenched in WWI. He signed off on Women's Suffrage at the most convenient time, when it would help him the most politically. He had U.S. citizens imprisoned that criticized him or had a dissenting viewpoint. His '14 Points' made WWII much more possible. Seriously, all of THAT is better than Reagan?
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 11:16 PM
DC all the way! Lol.
Marxman12 - 7/15/2012, 11:27 PM
I agree with all of you who are saying that politics and comic book news shouldn't mix. Whedon and anyone else in a position of power in the entertainment world should keep to what they do best (making kick ass movies, tv series, etc.) and leave the political commentary to the various talking heads. Instead of being upset at Whedon for being political everyone is taking sides on what was said.
AlibiBreakfast - 7/15/2012, 11:43 PM
@Marxman12

Reagan kicked off his campaign for president with a speech on states rights in a town called Philadelphia, MS-- a place known for the brutal deaths of several Civil Rights activists years earlier. Reagan did this as a dog whistle signal to the racists in the United States. He was also responsible for bringing the fanatical Christian Right into GOP politics in a serious way which led to that faction being completely in the driver's seat of today's party. Reagan appointed Scalia and attempted to appoint Robert Bork as Associate Justices to the Supreme Court. He made it fashionable to kick poor people and pushed the notion of "welfare queens." But the worst, most unforgivable element of Reagan's presidency was the fact he didn't even say the word AIDS before his 7th year in office. The words of a president can move mountains. Consider that we didn't know if we could land a man on the moon, or even get there, yet, because a president declared that we would accomplish that goal (in a decade, no less), the best and brightest in the nation used that goal to 'organize and measure' America's technological capacity. Reagan was a religious fanatic who didn't care about AIDS because he thought it was happening primarily to gays.
AlibiBreakfast - 7/15/2012, 11:45 PM
@niceguyeddie I'd prefer comic book movie news on this site just like everyone else does, but I'm not going to sit by and let twisted right-wing propaganda go unanswered.

P.S. Make mine Marvel
UrbanKnight - 7/15/2012, 11:52 PM
Hollywood Hypocrite maybe. Wrong, he is NOT. Open your eyes people.
95 - 7/16/2012, 12:00 AM
Where's Jacky Timish?
UrbanKnight - 7/16/2012, 12:02 AM
@AlibiBreakfast Word. Seriously something is really wrong if the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
Common sense people get brainwashed by too much tv/magazines (WHICH ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS!) to really pay attention to these secretive and wildly powerful people. WAKE UP.
jimoakley666 - 7/16/2012, 2:37 AM
Who gives a [frick]? He directed a film that I like. End of.
Jollem - 7/16/2012, 4:25 AM
dopemaster - 7/16/2012, 5:30 AM
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