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Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 8:37 AM
I heard about the whole Doc Ock lizard, black cat, and harry as the goblin thing. I mentioned it in my article "The Tragedy Of The Amazing Spider-Man Franchise"

#Shamelessplug

cbostont102
cbostont102 - 4/19/2016, 9:01 AM
@Mrcool210 - But no link?
cbostont102
cbostont102 - 4/19/2016, 9:17 AM
@Mrcool210 - thanks. i'll give it a read.
SuperCat
SuperCat - 4/19/2016, 8:38 AM
<<<<<<<<<<<

Next!
Shanksman
Shanksman - 4/19/2016, 8:39 AM
Goddamnit Josh, you're still using the "next" button? Do you really give no fcks to the loyal fanbase of cbm.com? I'm actually interested in what you wrote, but I ain't pressing that button!
webheaded
webheaded - 4/19/2016, 8:39 AM
I'm really excited for this new iteration of Spidey, especially since he's in the Avengers' universe. But in my mind this will always be the quintessential Spider-Man
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 8:39 AM
Just because Doc Ock, Lizard, & Black Cat in the first draft; doesn't mean Spidey 2 would have been shit.

Dark Knight had Joker, Maroni, Scarecrow, & Two-Face.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 8:40 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - Written by the guys who wrote Smallville though....They can't even get one villain right, imagine 4.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 8:46 AM
@Mrcool210 - Yea but Raimi was director. All the villains in the Raimi series were great except Venom who is shit anyways.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 8:54 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - Venom sucked in Spider-Man 3 because Sam Raimi wrote that script and didn't get Venom, the character in that movie is what I refer to as Black Carnage. He pretty much acts more like Carnage then Venom, Eddie Brock Venom can be interesting, but you needed someone who actually got his character in order to do him right.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 8:59 AM
@Mrcool210 - Venom can't be interesting be he isn't. Neither is Eddie. Eddie has never been interesting. Nor Mac when he was Venom.

What makes Venom interesting is the symobite. Not the host unless it's Flash.

It's like the opposite of the Lantern rings.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 9:03 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - But Venom (with Eddie) Can be done in an interesting way, he wasn't very interesting at first sure, but since then they added more to him, they could really play off of Eddies [frick]ed up sense of justice, where he sees himself as a good person who wants to help and Spider-Man as the evil one, a guy who if fighting spider-man and someone innocent ended up in danger, would stop the fight to make sure they were okay. You could really delve into a character like that, but too many writers see him as just some roaring monster and write him the wrong way.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 9:07 AM
@Mrcool210 - Eddie's motive was stupid in the comics.

>Dude finds out Sin Eater's name from shady source
>Dude publishes it
>Spidey catches real Sin Eater
>Brock fired
>Brock hates Spidey

It's stupid. Venom would be a far more interesting character of Eddie was just some good person who got caught by the symbiote & the symbiote takes control of him using his body as a host. Eddie shouldn't have any say. The symobite is far more interesting than Eddie.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 9:12 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - Yes....that is stupid, i'm not denying that, but a lot of characters were vastly different and not as interesting when they first started.

I'm not saying you have to follow the story exactly with Eddie and Venom, but there are ways you could take the character, look at his skewed sense of justice and his feelings toward spider-man and really get a good character out of it, like maybe have him be a good person like you say, who wants to use the symbiote to do good, but his hatred for spider-man and what he did to his career only makes the symbiote stronger.

Hell you could take insipiration from later comics where eddie saw the symboite like an addiction, like cocaine.

Guess i'm just saying he's not a lost cause like some characters, he has stayed relevant for good reasons, sure one of them was flash, but if eddie didn't have interesting aspects to him he'd be long gone by now.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 9:24 AM
@Mrcool210 - I've always found the only way to make Eddie interesting is be a bit Two-Face influenced.

My take would have Peter meet Eddie in college. They met a bit after Gwen's death. Peter doesn't talk to Harry bc everytime he sees his face, he sees the face of the man who took Gwen away. During this time, we have black suit Spidey

Eddie and Peter become close and good friends. I even had this idea where in a semester after, Eddie meets MJ (intro to MJ) and dates her. I thought of it after, and I kid you not, I saw this girl around campus who was fine who I'd talk to and found out her BF was my lab partner in a class who I'm friends with lol. If it can happen to me, it can happen to Parker luck.

Don't worry, there is no love triangle. After losing Gwen, Peter wouldn't want to seperate anyone. And when Pete is with MJ, Venom won't be a love sick puppy. So anyway somehow the symbiote goes to Eddie after Peter rejected it. The symbiote wanted to take someone from Peter and use them as a prisoner. Eddie is trapped & can't fight. He's in a coma like state since the symbiote is using his body as a host. We keep seeing Peter try to save Eddie like Bats tries with Two-Face so we can someday see the return of a character we all grew to love who under certain circumstances became bad. I wanted Venom to both be evil and sympathetic. The alien is evil while Eddie is sympathetic.

I also thought because of how long the ooze was on Peter, it grew more and more powerful. Because of this, Separating it from Eddie is near impossible.

I wanted Venom to be more of a horror figure and think I somewhat succeeded
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 9:25 AM
Also I looked at Peter's origin. My venom is really "what if the spider bite took control of Peter?"

My Venom is the answer to that question.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 9:31 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - That actually sounds pretty good, If I was doing a Spider-Man series with Venom in it (Which would come much later, Man Spider would be the first big storyline I did) I would probably use Venom to explore their senses of morality. And what power can do to a person, someone like peter the symbiote tried to corrupt him but failed, despite its intoxicating power, however with Eddie it was successful, them finding their common ground in Spider-Man.

But if this exact story that you posted is what we got in a Spider-Man movie, I would be all for it.

Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 9:32 AM
The Whole man Spider story being done in a way to explore the whole "what if the spider bite took control of peter" like you did. Guess great minds think alike.
SpideyVenom3DS
SpideyVenom3DS - 4/19/2016, 9:37 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - the only time they did a good venom was the spectacular spiderman cartoon of the ultimate comics version
Toonstrack
Toonstrack - 4/19/2016, 10:29 AM
@LEVITIKUZ - I disagree. The 'sworn enemies' 'foils' dynamic can be done very well if written right, and that is exactly what Eddie Brock has with Peter. The Symbiote only adds another layer to it with the fact that Eddie's rivalry is combined with the symbiote's hate and knowledge of Spider-Man to make a truly threatening villain. It kind of reminds me of Joker and Batman in a way, where the villain is sworn enemies with the hero and yet knows and understand him better than anybody else possibly could.
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 8:39 AM
Oh and by the way @Joshwilding

It was so bad that the composer initially refused to refused to return


So he said no....to saying no to returning?
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 4/19/2016, 8:42 AM
@JoshWilding

Should have added Sir Ben Kingsley verbally agreed to play Vulture in Spidey 3
Mrcool210
Mrcool210 - 4/19/2016, 8:42 AM
Although I did know all of these facts, I love bringing up the one with all of the different villains in Spider-Man 2 to people, always freaks them out. And makes them hate Avi Arad even more since he's the one who wanted them all in there.
Termin8er
Termin8er - 4/19/2016, 11:42 AM
@Mrcool210 - That one blew my mind the most. Usually I hear about these little facts somewhere and somehow, but this one was news to me. Spiderman 2 is one of my favorite CBM's ever, and it shocked me to find out it was almost a complete disaster. Also, imagine if Arad hadn't interfered and Spiderman 3 was good? With only Sandman and New Goblin as the villains and Eddie Brock in a minor role (which probably would've meant they wouldn't force the whole symbiote storyline either), it could have been amazing, and then in Spiderman 4 we would finally get Lizard and Venom as the villains for an epic conclusion to an epic series. So sad.
DUCKBOY
DUCKBOY - 4/19/2016, 8:43 AM
unsatisfactory Smallville ???? What the poop is that! Smallville wasn't that bad at the time
DR3D
DR3D - 4/19/2016, 8:44 AM
Columbia Pictures bought the rights to Spider-man because of the success of another comic book movie, which was.......... Men in Black
DR3D
DR3D - 4/19/2016, 8:48 AM
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