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Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 2:47 AM
"I wanted to make a movie about Jean's journey, so I had her do random things, ask herself "why did I do that", and then spent the next hour of the movie on Professor X and Magneto arguing about how to deal with her. But none of that matters because aliens."

- Simon Kinberg from interview with Definitely a Real Quote Magazine
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 6/6/2019, 3:19 AM
I haven't watched the movie yet I'm reading this article. That's how little I care about this franchise now.


Btw, Josh sounds like a person who makes a ton of dad jokes.



SlowHands
SlowHands - 6/6/2019, 3:24 AM
@RageDriver2401 - Lol. Josh has grown on me
SKetCH
SKetCH - 6/6/2019, 3:23 AM
Ready.

Set.

Terrible.
DwightKGroot
DwightKGroot - 6/6/2019, 3:23 AM
Josh, do critics (you included) get paid to watch movies and review it? I mean from the publisher of the review not the producers.
bkmeijer2
bkmeijer2 - 6/6/2019, 3:23 AM
Isnt Jessica Chastaliens' name not Smith? Anyway, this movie sounds like it's all over the place. In a not so good manner
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 3:47 AM
@MalseMarcel - IMDb still lists her as "Vuk". The human whose form gets copied is named "Margaret". There's a scene where she's sort of impersonating law enforcement, so it's possible that she was referred to as "Smith" in that context (if not in the movie itself, then maybe material that was cut).

Whatever the details, she's probably the least interesting villain in any comic book movie ever made.
DeadWade213
DeadWade213 - 6/6/2019, 3:49 AM
@Spock0Clock - Worse than Enchantress?
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 4:04 AM
@DeadWade213 - Oh, unquestionably way worse than Enchantress. Enchantress had a slick transformation scene, some creepy moments here and there, the weird army of mud dudes. Not all of it was great, but it was at least a little weird and quirky.

The aliens in Dark Phoenix are basically just a handful of random stunt people dressed as accountants and paralegals, with Chastain as an overbearing Women's Studies community college professor (or maybe more accurately, an unflattering stereotype of said professor).
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 4:07 AM
@KingCipher - Yeah, it's available wink wink at your local wink wink "theater" if you know where to look.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 6/6/2019, 6:13 AM
@MalseMarcel -
Originally the movie was meant to feature the X-Men being treated as celebs/'Avengers' with Genosha being an island gifted to Magneto for doing a good job in 'Apocalypse' despite none of this making sense.

Jessica's character was going to be the Skrull leader 'Veranke' - with the idea that she is manipulating Jean into destroying the X-Men while she infiltrates the White House. The final battle would have been split between the White House and the Skrull invasion force in space. Jean would have flown up and exploded herself and the invading forces while Jessica's character would have, in the chaos, succesfully infiltrated a position of power. The army would have arrived forcing the mutants to flee as Jessica's character (disguised as the president) would have ordered that all mutants be exterminated.

The X-Men would have ended the movie on the run with Jessica's character as the president of the US and a secondary invasion force set to arrive - setting up a sequel. An invasion of Genosha was planned for a sequel but other than that nothing else was really thought of.
RageDriver2401
RageDriver2401 - 6/6/2019, 3:28 AM
When someone asks me if I'll watch Dark Phoenix:
Kurne
Kurne - 6/6/2019, 3:28 AM
Apparently the aliens just look like ayy lmaos.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 6/6/2019, 4:25 AM
@Kurne - You've got to be kidding me
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 4:29 AM
@Kurne - I was not familiar with that term, but after googling, yes. Very much that.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 6/6/2019, 4:32 AM
@Spock0Clock - Wait, seriously?

Wow.
youknowmyname
youknowmyname - 6/6/2019, 3:44 AM
***SPOILERS***

Saw it yesterday and I have to say...it really wasn't all that bad. Setting aside the seriously underdeveloped villains and the fact that Fox, once again, seemed uninterested in truly embracing the source material (especially after DOFP knocked it out of the park, in my opinion) I thought there was a lot to like.

Fassbender, McAvoy and Hoult were fantastic and carried the film once again, I've never been a fan of JLaw's Mystique so her death was a huge plus, considering it led to one of the best scenes in the movie between Xavier and Beast. I thought Cyclops finally got some of the due he's deserved for so long on screen ("Touch her and I'll f**king kill you!") even if the relationship between he and Jean becomes more of an afterthought in the third act. The action sequences are excellent and the Mutant Containment Unit (MCU) coming to collar the X-Men and take them away was, if deliberate, a surreal touch that I enjoyed. Turner does the best she can but doesn't really get a lot to do past looking angry, confused and scared which leads me to believe that there was a lot left on the cutting room floor, which is a shame.

It's not perfect, and a huge part of me wishes a filmmaker with more ambition were put in the directors chair but it's certainly not the disaster people are saying it is and whilst nowhere near the quality of past films as DOFP, Logan and some of the others it definitely doesn't (for me) come close to the steaming piles of cinematic excrement that were The Last Stand and Origins.
BeyondtheFuture
BeyondtheFuture - 6/6/2019, 3:49 AM
On some level I like all the X-men movies, I think the cast always make them worth watching. I'm sure I'll like this one but I just can't bring myself to go see it.
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/6/2019, 4:01 AM
So “Logan” gives Charles the legacy of having inadvertently massacred his own team, falling into dementia, and mutant births ultimately being eradicated by the government. This ends the X-men saga with him giving up his school having apparently made a host of bad decisions, living miserably in exile in France.

Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 4:05 AM
@Chewtoy - Basically the only thing I liked about this movie is that it does own up to Charles being a major [frick]-up. But even that they ruin by having him and Erik playing good-chum-tiddlywinks.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 6/6/2019, 4:16 AM
So the aim was to make a mediocre movie it seems, because none of that sounds properly written or compellingly developed (and I bet aside from the same three actors it wasn't well acted too). It had to have been done on purpose, right?

So far what I'm hearing is that the only good things about this movie are some of the action scenes.
Spock0Clock
Spock0Clock - 6/6/2019, 4:24 AM
@DnA - (I'm going full spoilers here, because the article has the red text and this movie just doesn't have a lot going for it plot-wise.)

Kinberg (and/or the second unit who may have done the entire train scene) is definitely better at action than Bryan Singer ever was, but even then it's pretty hit and miss. This isn't Russos/Civil War stuff. More like Arrow on a good day. And as for characterization in the action... I was pained. "Nightcrawler berserker rage" is not something I ever needed or wanted to see. Yet, here we are.
Kumkani
Kumkani - 6/6/2019, 4:27 AM
@Spock0Clock - A lot of us do forget about characterisation in action, which is just as important as choreography, directing and editing. That doesn't sound good at all.
GhostDog
GhostDog - 6/6/2019, 4:24 AM
"The villain was pursuing the Phoenix Force - which is never referred to as such - throughout the cosmos in the hope of using it to reignite the planet it destroyed, and she explains to Jean that she can now do that...she just has to kill all of her friends."

I mean damn. Even Malekith had clearer motivations.

DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/6/2019, 4:37 AM
Dumb thoughts of the day.

1) Since X-Men movies all take place in the past. There is no way they could fit in with todays current Avenger's.

2) Avengers Engame jumps 5 year into the future does that mean Spiderman and future Marvel movies are all taking place in 2024 ?
KWilly
KWilly - 6/6/2019, 4:39 AM
@DoubleD - 1) Who cares? XMen is getting a reboot anyway.

2) Yes

DoubleD
DoubleD - 6/6/2019, 4:43 AM
@KWilly - That's why it starts off "Dumb thoughts"
Chewtoy
Chewtoy - 6/6/2019, 4:52 AM
@DoubleD - 5 years into the future from the end of Infinity War. I never paid attention to that “official” MCU timeline because it just seems like an unnecessary detail to pin down, but if we’re going by when that film came out than 5 years would be 2023.

Either way, the MCU has diverged enough from the history of reality at this point that a few years difference doesn’t matter. Society was probably set back at least 5 years or more from the massive upheavals they’ve gone through.

As for the X-men stuff, I’m glad it’s not compatible. However, getting Magneto’s history to include the Holocaust is becoming more and more problematic if they want to use him in the present day.
Mclane
Mclane - 6/6/2019, 4:48 AM
Slightly confused, "Charles has a face to face with Jean" followed by "mo,emnts before killing him Charles reminds Jean"

And then Charles is alive and living in France..

Someones story relaying skills are bollox...
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