X-MEN '97 Drops A Reveal Which Could Have Major Consequences For The Wider Multiverse Saga - SPOILERS

X-MEN '97 Drops A Reveal Which Could Have Major Consequences For The Wider Multiverse Saga - SPOILERS X-MEN '97 Drops A Reveal Which Could Have Major Consequences For The Wider Multiverse Saga - SPOILERS

"Tolerance Is Extinction" left Marvel fans with plenty to discuss, but the latest episode of X-Men '97 also features a moment which establishes an "absolute point" for mutants across the Multiverse...

By JoshWilding - May 01, 2024 07:05 PM EST
Filed Under: X-Men '97
Source: Toonado.com

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A few weeks ago, X-Men '97 delivered its most devastating episode to date when the master Mold Sentinel was unleashed on Genosha and killed countless mutants. 

Tragically, Gambit was among them. However, following Cable's arrival in the present day, the prevailing theory among fans has been that time travel will ultimately be used to undo Bastion's attack and likely bring the fan-favourite Cajun mutant back from the dead. 

Today's episode of X-Men '97, titled "Tolerance Is Extinction - Part 1," appears to dispel that notion once and for all. We learn that Cable has travelled back in time to the attack on Genosha countless times, only to be temporally pulled away from the event before he can stop it.

To that, Beast says, "Strange, the mystics of Kamar-Taj speak of absolute points. Events that occur across all timelines. Cable could travel to the very moment Genosha fell, but time would stop him."

What If...? has established that these are moments in time which cannot be changed, lest the universe end. Avengers: Endgame, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, and Loki have all also alluded to fixed points in time which can't be altered, and the destruction of Genosha appears to be one of them. 

In fact, it seems that across every timeline, Genosha is destined to be destroyed. This suggests the island nation will eventually fall on Earth-616 as well, a hint perhaps of what's to come in Marvel Studios' eventual live-action X-Men reboot. 

Former X-Men '97 showrunner Head Writer Beau DeMayo has also essentially confirmed that time travel won't undo the events of previous episodes with the following post on X...

Marvel Studios has yet to announce a creative team for the next X-Men movie, though many fans believe X-Men '97's creative team should be allowed to take a crack at the movie (even if it's just a big screen continuation of this revival).

"First off, it would be a slam dunk," director Chase Conley recently said of the possibility. "I think that would absolutely be something the audience would want to see, and we would want to be a part of."

He'd add that the benefit of an episodic format means the creative team can get through "a lot of adapted comic runs," but acknowledged that a movie budget would allow them to "do as much as we can and spend a lot of time massaging each shot." 

"With animation, the more time and money we get, the better it will be," Conley concluded. "That's just a fact."

X-Men '97 revisits the iconic era of the 1990s as The X-Men, a band of mutants who use their uncanny gifts to protect a world that hates and fears them, are challenged like never before, forced to face a dangerous and unexpected new future.

Eight episodes of X-Men '97 are now streaming on Disney+ with new instalments following weekly. 

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SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/1/2024, 7:14 PM
Absolute Points are events that must happen regardless of how one tries to alter it. Such as Peter Parker's Aunt or Uncle dying and delivering the "With Great Power Speech". In Across the Spider-verse, Miguel calls it a Canon Event. And just like in the What If...? Episode with Doctor Strange, Finding a way to alter a canon event leads into that universe collapsing within itself.
jst5
jst5 - 5/1/2024, 7:22 PM
@SonOfAGif - I'm not a big Marvel person(DC) but I enjoyed the early Marvel stuff leading into End Game ....you'd think they would learn from XMEN 97 that if you stay close to the source you won't have to worry about it not being a hit....but this is Disney we're talking about here...not the smartest bunch.
Vigor
Vigor - 5/1/2024, 7:42 PM
@jst5 - for the most part and compared to fox and so y, they have stayed close to the OG.

Any major changes can easily be explained by it being a parallel universe.
SonOfAGif
SonOfAGif - 5/1/2024, 8:34 PM
@jst5 - They are staying close to the source. The problem is the comic accurate portrayals are hated by people because people don't want an MCU without the original six Avengers.
MotherFuckerJon
MotherFuckerJon - 5/1/2024, 7:25 PM
I'm calling it now...the cable that shows up here is not Cable. It's Stryfe.
MisterDoctor217
MisterDoctor217 - 5/1/2024, 7:28 PM
That makes sense and I’m glad they are going this route , even tho I really wish we had Gambit back. But this means the show will and is having consequences, which makes it more thrilling to watch each week.

Also Beau is hot lmao
YouFlopped
YouFlopped - 5/1/2024, 7:33 PM
The Multiverse Saga just keeps getting better and better. Next level world building.

I see why TFATWS added madripoor as a main location.. but that went over yall heads 🤫

another rumor confirmed. Can’t wait to return… #phase5
Vigor
Vigor - 5/1/2024, 7:47 PM
@YouFlopped - it really does all connect. All the world building may seem unfocused and perhaps it is, but it will be worth it once the universes start crashing together
ProfessorWhy
ProfessorWhy - 5/1/2024, 7:35 PM
The voice actor portraying Bastian sounds a lot like Jeff Goldblum
Vigor
Vigor - 5/1/2024, 7:44 PM
@ProfessorWhy - yes! I couldn't put my finger on who it was
Vigor
Vigor - 5/1/2024, 7:44 PM
@ProfessorWhy - i mean on who it sounded like
WhatIfRickJames
WhatIfRickJames - 5/1/2024, 8:18 PM
@ProfessorWhy - it’s Theo James. British actor I believe. Most recently in the White Lotus S2 and known for Divergent.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/1/2024, 10:05 PM
@WhatIfRickJames - Theo James has recently also gotten acclaim for The Gentleman.
Origame
Origame - 5/1/2024, 7:37 PM
...wtf are you talking about? Literally none of those suggest that at all.

Endgame went by the logic that traveling back in time, regardless of what you actually did, wouldn't change the past but create an alternate timeline. Loki further elaborated that the point of change is known as a nexus event, something that's stated could be as minor as being late for work and needs to be "fixed" or it could lead to a full multiverse. Multiverse of madness literally never talked about making changes to timelines but instead suggested variants traveling to other timelines is what's dangerous as it could lead to incursions. What if only talked about something kind of like this with the Dr strange episode, but that was only the case because strange gained his sorcery from being inspired by the event he tried to change, which caused a paradox (something he eventually fixed by making it so he didn't exist in that universe).

How is it I pay more attention to these movies you guys claim to like so much?
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 5/1/2024, 7:45 PM
@Origame - benzos are kinda cool imo
NathanielX
NathanielX - 5/1/2024, 7:54 PM
@Origame - It seems that Cable's time machínes work's more in the way of the Time Stone rather than Stark's Time machínes.
Origame
Origame - 5/1/2024, 8:07 PM
@NathanielX - exactly, though also it should be mentioned this is because those are the rules time travel always had in this continuity since this is the continuation of a 90s series. Not that it has anything to do with the mcu.

This is just desperate content to put out while trying to make this relevant to the multiverse saga since the show is so popular.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 5/1/2024, 8:30 PM
@Origame - What most people fail to understand about Endgame is that it never said you can't change the past but argued against changing past to change the (current) present was impossible as the paradox would prevent the changed past from sticking as the (new) present would not be reenacting the change hence, creating a branch timeline instead.

In simpler terms, time travel would work as long as its in a loop where even in the new timeline the same person goes back in time and alters the same events and thus, prevent a new branch from forming.

So, in a sense, Endgame did "allude" to a fixed point as it would be impossible to change a event that would have a big domino effect. Loki blatantly states it and realized some events were supposed to happen no matter how much they try to escape it, The Ancient One literally said "her death is an absolute point" and without it, he would never be a sorcerer and never be on the journey.

If you actually paid attention, you wouldn't be crying here every day in and out.
Nolanite
Nolanite - 5/1/2024, 8:33 PM
@Malatrova15 - so is cocaine 😋
YouFlopped
YouFlopped - 5/1/2024, 8:44 PM
@SpiderParker - finally some intelligence. I had no idea comprehension was this difficult for people
Origame
Origame - 5/1/2024, 8:53 PM
@SpiderParker - dude, you're overcomplicating it to prove a point. Especially since loki made it abundantly clear that something as small as being late for work would make a new timeline and do nothing to the existing events. It never said events couldn't change. It's saying the tva wouldn't allow them to change due to the plan of the one above all.

As for Dr strange, you're confusing a fixed point with a wise woman accepting it was her time to die. Hence why she actively prevented strange from even trying to help her. She never used the term absolute point, you lying son of a b!tch. Just that she couldn't see past that moment. ?si=0-DSFbktchgEQ_Eu

Again, I'm clearly paying more attention than you. All you can do is twist facts to suit your narrative.
Origame
Origame - 5/1/2024, 9:03 PM
@SpiderParker - also, pulled up the clip from endgame. Bruce literally disregards even the possibility of changing the past at all by saying "changing the past doesn't change the future".

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mountainman
mountainman - 5/1/2024, 10:08 PM
@SpiderParker - MCU time travel leads to branched timelines any time something in the past is changed where as the X-Men TAS time travel is done where changing the past can change the present. They don’t seem compatible. If they bring this reality into the MCU multiverse, it will lead to an inconsistency.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 5/1/2024, 10:13 PM
@Origame -



At 1 minute mark she says it is an absolute point.

Bruce didn't disregard the possibility of changing the past, he disregarded the fact that it can't change his present (ie: future) which I literally said a few moments ago that a loop where the person goes back in time and changes something from his perceptive (but nothing in reality) that leads to the same present is time travel that changes nothing and hence doable.

Loki Season 1 also made this clear when branches didn't form even after purposely interfering with timeline where the place was already doomed (ie: Kill all dinosaurs just before the asteroid hits and it won't change a thing). Loki spent much of Season 2 trying to alter events but failing to do so and finally accepting his role to handle the flow of time. Pay attention and keep up kid.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 5/1/2024, 10:31 PM
@mountainman - I could be forgetting something but as far as I remember XMenTAS never changed the past as in, not the past of '92-'97. Cable changed his past which led to his future being altered, there is no reason to think he wasn't just creating a branched future timeline.

@YouFlopped - Yes, I know, some just see and read but never think or understand. It is pretty much known here that Origame has highly poor comprehension.
mountainman
mountainman - 5/2/2024, 3:18 AM
@SpiderParker - One Man’s worth had Prof X getting killed pre-1992, making that time a wasteland. Then when they go back and prevent the murder, it goes back to normal reality.

You’re right in saying most of the time travel was someone from the future coming back to the 1990’s, but that episode at least was going back in time pre-1990’s.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 4:27 AM
@SpiderParker - ...so you couldn't even mention you were talking about what if, you dishonest f@#$.

I already brought this up. It was a very specific circumstance. But again, he ended up changing it anyway by recreating that universe without himself in it, so even then it can be changed.

For loki season 2, he was changing the events. It was just really difficult. Not impossible like what is being claimed with the absolute points. I know this because he f@#$ing changed the event by the end of the series.

You're a Weasley little liar.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 5:47 AM
@SpiderParker - oh my God dude. The Bruce point I keep bringing up TO YOU as time travel not changing the present but creating branched timelines THIS ISNT THE SAME AS AN ABSOLUTE POINT!

the mental gymnastics you guys have to come up with 🤣

As for loki season 1, the point is if the event being changed is insignificant enough it won't create a nexus event. Such as killing all dinosaurs right before the asteroid hit. This still isn't an absolute point. Hypothetically, loki could go to the extinction event and save the dinosaurs, which would be a nexus event. This is not an absolute point.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 5:48 AM
@SpiderParker - "some just see and read but never think or understand"

Tell me about it. I'm talking to a guy bringing up examples of absolute points that were changed without the universe getting destroyed. Prime example of someone not thinking 🤣
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/2/2024, 6:12 AM
@Origame - It's best to think of absolute points/canon events/inevitable intersections in terms of fate rather than in terms of any scientific logic.

The one thing that I see as something of a contradiction at the moment is the idea that you can create a causal loop instead of a nexus event. This is exactly what Ant Man said to Stark in Endgame and he told him that time travel doesn't work like that. So maybe Tony was wrong? Doubt.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 6:16 AM
@ObserverIO - I'm using it in terms of the logic in the f@#$ing movies. They say changing the past is impossible and only creates branching timelines. Full stop.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 6:16 AM
@mountainman - can you believe his mental gymnastics here?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/2/2024, 6:17 AM
@Origame - Full stop as far as science goes. But what do Banner and Stark have to say about the time travel logistics of fate?
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 6:21 AM
@ObserverIO - nothing because the multiverse disproves fate.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/2/2024, 6:35 AM
@Origame - No it doesn't. How?
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 6:43 AM
@ObserverIO - ...because every possibility exists in a different universe.

The entire point of loki creating the multiverse was to allow people free will to choose their path
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 5/2/2024, 7:08 AM
@Origame - sure, in an infinite multiverse there would be no fate, I'd agree with that. But if it's simply an expanding multiverse it could still be governed by fate to a degree. Certain universes wouldn't be allowed to exist.

And fate would make an absolute point a little more malleable too. So if you save somebody from getting hit by a bus on a monday, they might get hit by a truck on a friday instead. That kind of thing. Stop them from getting hit by anything on any day and then one of three things will happen: The Spider Society will step in, Time won't allow you to do anything (like Cable) or the universe will collapse (like in both What If and Across the Spider-verse).
mountainman
mountainman - 5/2/2024, 7:36 AM
@Origame - Really not keeping up. This is why I’m not a fan of time travel or multiverse. There’s no consistent and science based ways to explain them so it just gets into a convoluted mess.
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 7:44 AM
@ObserverIO - the mcu operates on an infinite multiverse though. That was literally the point of the season 2 finale. They couldn't use the loom because it couldn't be adapted for infinite universes and had to be destroyed.

Also, your example is from a series not made by disney or marvel studios (spiderverse is sony).
Origame
Origame - 5/2/2024, 7:46 AM
@mountainman - honestly I think it's just convoluted because they're inconsistent. For example, loki and sylvie shouldn't have been able to create a nexus event based on the rules of apocalypses like that.
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