RUMOR: AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Will Be An Even Bigger Movie Than We Expected - SPOILERS

RUMOR: AVENGERS: SECRET WARS Will Be An Even Bigger Movie Than We Expected - SPOILERS

All eyes are currently on next December's Avengers: Doomsday, but what of Avengers: Secret Wars? According to a new rumour, Marvel Studios and the Russo Brothers have something huge planned. Check it out!

By JoshWilding - Oct 18, 2025 12:10 PM EST
Filed Under: Avengers: Secret Wars

Avengers: Doomsday is shrouded in secrecy, but based on the cast alone, it seems safe to say the Russo Brothers will put their own Multiversal spin on Avengers vs. X-Men (and that's just for starters...). 

The prevailing theory is that, however this story plays out, it will end with Doctor Doom triumphant and ruling over a new reality: Battleworld. For more on that, Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic's Secret Wars is an essential read, but the short version is that Doom creates a patchwork world made up of remnants of those destroyed in Incursions. 

That's why there's a New York City where Peter Parker is happily married to Mary Jane Watson (they have a daughter, who becomes a superhero in her own right) on the same world as "Greenland," a country inhabited and ruled over entirely by Hulks. 

In case it wasn't obvious, anything close to that opens the door to a multitude of cameos, and scooper @MyTimeToShineH has just shared some intriguing insights. 

At New York Comic Con, Charlie Cox was asked if his Daredevil could team up with Ben Affleck's Man Without Fear from the 2003 movie. The actor replied, "I have no idea what you're talking about," a pretty standard answer, albeit one that's gained some traction on social media.

Well, according to the insider, "The idea is to bring EVERYONE back in Secret Wars." In other words, the surprises and cameos in Avengers: Doomsday will pale in comparison to what's planned in 2027. 

The plan may be to bring "everyone" back, but that doesn't mean they'll all agree. Still, in what's likely to be a final send-off for a lot of actors before the MCU is softly rebooted, it wouldn't shock us if people like Affleck, Nicolas Cage, and Tobey Maguire decide to suit up one final time for fans. 

Who would you like to see return in Avengers: Secret Wars?

Avengers: Doomsday stars Chris Hemsworth, Anthony Mackie, Winston Duke, Tom Hiddleston, Sebastian Stan, Letitia Wright, Paul Rudd, and Robert Downey Jr. Wyatt Russell, Simu Liu, Tenoch Huerta Mejia, Florence Pugh, Danny Ramirez, David Harbour, Hannah John-Kamen, and Lewis Pullman all make their Avengers franchise debuts in the movie. 

The Fantastic Four: First Steps leads Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Ebon Moss-Bachrach, and Joseph Quinn join them, as do X-Men franchise stars Kelsey Grammer, Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Alan Cumming, Rebecca Romijn, James Marsden, and Deadpool & Wolverine star Channing Tatum.

Chris Evans, Hayley Atwell, and Ryan Reynolds are also set to appear, according to recent reports from the trades. 

The Russo Brothers direct the movie from a screenplay by Stephen McFeely, with whom they previously collaborated on the Avengers and Captain America franchises. Loki and Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness's Michael Waldron is also working on the script.

Avengers: Doomsday is set to be released on December 18, 2026, with Avengers: Secret Wars scheduled to arrive on December 17, 2027.

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/18/2025, 12:11 PM
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VicSage
VicSage - 10/18/2025, 12:11 PM
Secret Wars will be two films.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 10/20/2025, 8:01 AM
@VicSage -
Most likely scenario is:

Doomsday gets delayed to May 2027 to insert more Tom Holland Spider-man because they'll realize Doomsday could under-perform otherwise. I'd imagine Spider-man will have the symbiote for Avengers: Doomsday and Secret Wars/Forever.

Secret Wars gets delayed to May 2028 alongside an announcement of it being split into two films. This first film will focus mostly on multiverse cameos as it'll be a Battleworld comprised of heroes from across the multiverse facing off against Doom and his villains from across the multiverse. You'll probably have another universe Miles Morales show up to pay-off the NWH remark, perhaps even the one from the Spider-verse movies but in live-action.

Avengers Forever (Secret Wars Part 2) gets released in December 2028 and focus more on nostalgia - bringing back the Phase 1-3 heroes for one last final battle with an endgame style huge final conflict that celebrates all of Phase 1-6.
clogan
clogan - 10/18/2025, 12:11 PM
Disney+ Top 1 movie. Nobody watching this in theaters
SummersEssex
SummersEssex - 10/18/2025, 8:15 PM
@clogan - yeah, ok.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 10/18/2025, 12:11 PM




They plan on making as much money from the next two movies so when everything flops they won't care. WE WANT GOOD STORIES NOT [frick]ING CAMEOS
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 6:51 PM
@bobevanz - You can guarantee cameos but you can't guarantee good movies, you can only do your best which is very probably what they're giving it.

So if they take your advice and have no cameos then it's 50/50 either gonna be a good movie with no cameos or a bad movie with no cameos.
But if they go ahead and get cameos anyway then it's either gonna be a good movie with cameos or a bad movie but with cameos. And cameos sell, especially multiversal ones. Look at NWH and D&W. Neither one of those movies was Citizen Kane but they had multiversal cameos.

So yes I'm sure they're trying to make good movies and tell good stories, but just in case they're gonna make a product that they can sell either way.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/18/2025, 12:16 PM
I can't help but worry that these two movies are going to collapse under their own weight, especially Secret Wars.
Rpendo
Rpendo - 10/18/2025, 12:21 PM
@TheJok3r - people said the same about Infinity War and Endgame.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/18/2025, 4:06 PM
@Rpendo - Those two were built on solid and successful foundations; these two aren't.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 10/20/2025, 8:08 AM
@TheJok3r -
If that happens, Avengers: Doomsday is the most likely to fail.

Thunderbolts and Captain America failed at the box office and Fantastic Four did not perform as well as they wanted. X-Men nostalgia has been used up a lot lately. Over half the primary cast are characters the audience has little interest in.

The inclusion of Tom Holland's Spider-man could generate some buzz, especially if he has the symbiote, but I could easily see Avengers: Doomsday being the lowest grossing Avengers movie. Considering they'll have spent around $500m+ on it, with a break-even of $1.25bn I'd guess they'd hope that it makes around $1.5bn-$1.75bn to help somewhat justify the investment.

Personally probably skipping Avengers: Doomsday, no point as I don't care for a majority of the characters involved. I can just find the fight scenes online IF they actually bothered to have good CGI this time.
TheJok3r
TheJok3r - 10/20/2025, 10:24 AM
@Scarilian - "probably skipping Avengers: Doomsday, no point as I don't care for a majority of the characters involved."

This is something Marvel isn't taking into account. The previous Avengers movies didn't succeed just because they were Avengers movies; it was largely because people wanted to see characters they loved working together. No one loves the current cast of characters now. Do I think it'll outright flop ? not necessarily, but I do think there's a chance it comes in well below expectations.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/18/2025, 12:20 PM

I know the MCU has pooped out some turkeys over the last 5-6 years, but I don't care. I can't friggin' wait for these 2 movies. These movies will probably either destroy or revitalize the MCU.

Bring em on!!!!!!!!!!

TheVisionary27
TheVisionary27 - 10/18/2025, 12:53 PM
@DocSpock - There’s not been any turkeys in my experience. Everything they have released since endgame has been satisfactory to me expect for she hulk and perhaps the marvels.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 10/18/2025, 1:42 PM
@TheVisionary27 - I know we went over this in another thread. I dont think anyones personal experience should be influenced by random people on the internet. I think that is the problem with society. However, the last 5 out of 7 MCU movies financially failed. D+ has been so bad in terms of viewers, they are sacrificing Hulu to save it.

@DocSpock
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/18/2025, 2:49 PM
@CreateNowSlpL8r -

The D+ shows have mostly sucked. I have liked 2-3 of them though.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/18/2025, 3:35 PM
@TheVisionary27 - Most of the MCU content post Endgame has been turkeys. Only a handful of legit good projects over the last five years.
Fogs
Fogs - 10/18/2025, 3:53 PM
@mountainman - I'd say I liked NWH, GoTG3, and kinda liked DS3 and DP&W. The others were meh at best
Shmokey20
Shmokey20 - 10/18/2025, 4:03 PM
@Fogs - DS2*
Shmokey20
Shmokey20 - 10/18/2025, 4:09 PM
@DocSpock - I liked NWH, GOTG3, DP & WV, Thunderbolts, F4, Loki, GOTG Holoday Special, Werewolf by Night, Hawkeye, WandaVision, Daredevil Born Again, Ms. Marvel, Marvel Zombies... they've had quite a few bangers, but thats just my opinion 🤷🏾‍♂️
DocSpock
DocSpock - 10/18/2025, 4:13 PM
@Shmokey20 -

I liked everything on that list except for Ms. Marvel & Marvel Zombies.
CreateNowSlpL8r
CreateNowSlpL8r - 10/18/2025, 5:28 PM
@DocSpock - I liked some of them too. I liked Loki more than most. WandaVision was ok too but objectively, the majority of projects on D+ have failed. When you say something is a turkey and then people dispute it, we cant confuse what we personally enjoyed vs. its objective success.
mountainman
mountainman - 10/18/2025, 6:28 PM
@Fogs - Best movies:
GOTG3, DP&W, NWH

A few others were decent like:
Shang Chi, Thunderbolts, Fantastic Four

Rest were bad to ok.

The best shows have been animated and not connected to the MCU:
X-Men 97 & Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman

Other great D+ content:
Wandavision, Werewolf by Night
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/18/2025, 12:22 PM
Got no problem with Cox's DD but I'd be way more interested in seeing Affleck’s Daredevil return.
SuperiorHeckler
SuperiorHeckler - 10/18/2025, 12:41 PM
@HashTagSwagg - Unpopular observation but, given the time and era that it was produced, Affleck's DAREDEVIL was not a horrible superhero movie IMO. 🤓
ReverseFlasher
ReverseFlasher - 10/18/2025, 3:31 PM
@SuperiorHeckler - did you see the directors cut? even better too
skyshark03191
skyshark03191 - 10/19/2025, 2:45 AM
@SuperiorHeckler - Had the directors cut been released in theatres I believe Daredevil would’ve been a franchise.
Timerider
Timerider - 10/18/2025, 12:33 PM
Secret Wars might be split into two films.
gambgel
gambgel - 10/18/2025, 12:40 PM
the fact that some sites still report this "insider" tweets.......

you guys wont ever learn, will you?
ReverseFlasher
ReverseFlasher - 10/18/2025, 3:36 PM
@gambgel -

ppl like you who complain abt this crack me up.

MTTSH has gotten SO many big scoops right, and routinely gets proven right on new ones.

but go ahead keep gripin
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 10/18/2025, 12:48 PM
Yeah, put everyone there and pay them big for a few minutes of green-screened scenes that brraking even wont even be a reality.

Cant wait to see this slop fail miserably.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/18/2025, 6:55 PM
@vectorsigma - You said the same thing about Deadpool and Wolverine.
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 10/18/2025, 10:12 PM
@ObserverIO - i cant remember everything i said pre release but i dont think i said the same on breaking even and outright failing

I think i remember doubting it will reach 1b, that i dont like reynolds and his antics, that the green screen sucks with the trailer, but still, i was hopeful it might be good.

After watching, i got the "not in the same room" - itis and will never watch it again 😂
Yellow
Yellow - 10/19/2025, 8:51 AM
@vectorsigma - why bother in the comments if you hate it so much?

You'll be happier in other fandoms 😁
vectorsigma
vectorsigma - 10/19/2025, 9:57 AM
@Yellow - tbh, this "why are you here/comment if you hate it" retort is so childish.

People who live off debates and hate and differences in opinions like mr shill josh wilding will end up in the streets if not for this. Im doing him a favor 😃

Yellow
Yellow - 10/19/2025, 5:02 PM
@vectorsigma - I have no idea who those people are

Josh something wasn't the dude who directed Avengers 1 and 2?

marveldc4life
marveldc4life - 10/18/2025, 12:54 PM
I think they need to stick to only putting event films or Spider-Man solo films out. The rest of the characters need to get Disney + plus shows to let people see what they are doing in the meantime. Then you stick to team up level films to produce and get great quality money out of. Power Rangers was a success cause it had many different flavors for everyone in the audience. That is what makes movies like Avengers, X-men, and Guardians stand apart from the rest. They have more characters and identities for the audience to relate to. I think Marvel believes any character brings the same value as the Avengers. Not necessarily like that but they wonder why solo ant man films aren’t bangers. I could be wrong but let me know other thoughts.
Apophis71
Apophis71 - 10/18/2025, 2:13 PM
@marveldc4life - Trouble is if everything is special crossover event films they stop being special and occur to oft. For a film to do well in todays BO they need to feel like a big must see event but that isn't the same as all of them being Avengers level.

Over reliance on D+ to set things up is both costly and counter productive I tend to think too.

That said there may well be more team type films in the next saga as there will be Xmen, F4 and likely still Avengers films alongside the likes of Spider-man solo's.
SheepishOne
SheepishOne - 10/18/2025, 1:26 PM
They’re going to break Secret Wars into two movies, the second of which will reboot the MCU and will be called Avengers: Forever.
Scarilian
Scarilian - 10/20/2025, 8:17 AM
@SheepishOne -
Been saying this for a while, and yeah, seems like the most likely scenario.

Spider-man: BND releases, does amazing, they announce Avengers: Doomsday is pushed back to May 2027. They do reshoots and add more Tom Holland to Avengers: Doomsday.

They also announce Secret Wars is being pushed back as it is being split into two films - Secret Wars (May 2028) and Avengers: Forever (December 2028) to serve as a finale to the MCU.

Avengers: Forever would end with a montage of a rebooted universe teasing recasts and new heroes that they'll explore in future movies.
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