James Gunn Says The DCU Is Ruled By 3 Groups: Metahumans, The Government & Giant Firms Like Wayne Enterprises

James Gunn Says The DCU Is Ruled By 3 Groups: Metahumans, The Government & Giant Firms Like Wayne Enterprises

According to DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn, the DCU is ruled by three factions and it seems Batman's Wayne Enterprises is one of the major players.

By MarkJulian - Aug 19, 2025 05:08 PM EST
Filed Under: DC Studios
Source: Interview Magazine

James Gunn was recently interviewed by his Super star Rainn Wilson in the aptly named Interview Magazine and the DC Studios co-chair touched on a number of interesting topics, including what makes the DCU different from other cinematic universes.

In talking about what separates the DCU from the MCU, James Gunn stated, "It’s a different map. It’s a world in which some form of superheroes, which we call Metahumans, have existed for at least 300 years and they’ve been a part of our life."

He added, "But I think that we’re reaching a point in the DCU where there’s three factions. There’s the Metahumans, the governments, and then the corporations. And the corporations are equally important. There’s Luthor Corp, there’s Lord Tech and Stagg Industries and Wayne Enterprises, which are the four big companies that are vying for another type of domination."

Gunn went on to explain, "And they aren’t evil corporations, really. They’re just [frick]ing amoral corporations."

Even Luthor Corp. isn't evil, despite the fact that Lex Luthor is its figurehead.  "The corporations in themselves aren’t evil. Corporations are amoral... Lex Luthor’s a pretty bad guy, although his corporation has done some great things. Luthor has created a battery, which has made the running of the world a much more efficient process. He has cars that run more efficiently, that are better for clean air. He’s done some really great things for the world, which is the reason for his obsession with Superman. He was considered the greatest guy in the world a few years ago, even though there were Metahumans, and then this guy with dimples and a glint in his eye in a silly costume came in and made him feel like shit, so he’s been sort of obsessed with him ever since and has gone evil..."

What’s your take on the DCU splitting itself into three powerhouse factions?

On one side, you’ve got the superheroes and supervillains, always clashing in high-stakes battles. On the other, world governments are pulling strings behind the scenes, while billion-dollar corporations make their own moves in the shadows. With Lord Tech now funding the Justice Gang, we’re already seeing some surprising overlap between these groups.

If corporations can bankroll a team of heroes, what’s stopping the government from doing the same? That kind of setup feels a lot like The Authority, a project James Gunn himself has admitted has been one of the trickier pieces to fit into his DCU puzzle.

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GalactusEatsALL
GalactusEatsALL - 8/19/2025, 5:22 PM
Lost…. Enterprises for the win 🏄‍♂️
Malatrova15
Malatrova15 - 8/19/2025, 5:24 PM
AND Nintendo
Godzilla2000Zer
Godzilla2000Zer - 8/19/2025, 5:25 PM
Cool stuff
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 8/19/2025, 5:26 PM
You're saying 3, Gun's saying 4, who am i to trust, also "Government & Giant Firms"?
Yeah, altogether that's more than 3 groups.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/19/2025, 6:55 PM
@HashTagSwagg - It's 5. Trust me.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 8/19/2025, 5:26 PM
And in rl, the DC universe is ruled by James Gunn, which is the most unfortunate thing of all.

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[frick]ing hack.
InfinitePunches
InfinitePunches - 8/19/2025, 5:33 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - More unfortunate than 9/11?
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 8/19/2025, 5:34 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - It's the same damn joke
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lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/19/2025, 5:54 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - who did he hack?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 8/19/2025, 6:57 PM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - Next thing you know he'll be branding the Justice Gang with his company logo bearing his own initials and have the CEO of that company be played by his brother.

If all that was intentional it's genius.
jst5
jst5 - 8/20/2025, 3:55 AM
@THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - We got emo Superman now goofy Superman....maybe one day we'll get a legit take on Superman from the comics...Reeve has been the closest.

Gunn having any input on Batman tells me to prepare for something close to the Batman from Batman and Robin.
harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 8/19/2025, 5:33 PM
inflation
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TheJester187
TheJester187 - 8/19/2025, 5:35 PM
Yea yeah! Cast my Batman and tell Andy make a masterpiece.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 8/19/2025, 5:39 PM
I’m excited for a universe different than the MCU which is just our earth and history but with a few supers sprinkled around it.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 8/19/2025, 5:55 PM
Cool
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/19/2025, 5:55 PM
That’s interesting , I like that grouping or breakdown tbh…

However idk if Wayne Enterprises I would consider “amoral” since I’m sure Bruce would make sure for his company to have some sort of moral compass unless he isn’t handling the day to day operations which is certainly a possibility and could be something that is dealt with in The Brave & The Bold or beyond.

Also I have no doubt the Authority if/when it happens will be the DCU government’s response to heroes and even corporations like Lordtech having their own team of them given the events of Superman especially with metahumans getting involved in geopolitical conflicts.

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WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 8/19/2025, 6:18 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I REALLY hope The Authority happens. I feel like that could be a totally different movie than The Justice League. (Unpopular opinion but so what) Get Zack Snyder to do it.
TheVisionary25
TheVisionary25 - 8/19/2025, 6:21 PM
@WruceBayne - I rather not have Zack involved lol

Someone like a Matthew Vaughn or David Leitch might be my pick but not sure.

Regardless , I do hope it happens aswell!!.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 8/19/2025, 6:39 PM
@TheVisionary25 - That's a great premise for the film.
WruceBayne
WruceBayne - 8/19/2025, 6:41 PM
@TheVisionary25 - I get the “black eye” Synder has left on a WHOLE BUNCH… if not the majority of comic book fans but in my own very unique opinion, it’s no denying that he has an eye for flare and action.
I never would’ve thought of Leitch to do the Authority… that’s a pretty good pick and I think he’d do it.
RolandD
RolandD - 8/20/2025, 1:04 AM
@TheVisionary25 - I came here to say something similar about Wayne Enterprises. Bruce wouldn’t have time to run it but he would certainly oversee it.
DocSpock
DocSpock - 8/19/2025, 6:04 PM

What about the porn faction? We know that porn secretly runs the world. I wanna see a different kind of Wonder Woman.

No, not Hollywood's idea of a WONDER woman with an adam's apple.
DSAC294
DSAC294 - 8/19/2025, 6:12 PM
@DocSpock - 😂😂🍎
BruceWayng
BruceWayng - 8/19/2025, 6:09 PM
Luthor Corp
Lord Tech
Stagg Enterprises
Wayne Enterprises
Kord Industries
Queen Industries
STAR Labs
Daggett Industries
Thorne Industries
Ferris Aircraft
Ace Chemicals
Janus Cosmetics

What other ones???
kider2
kider2 - 8/19/2025, 6:27 PM
@BruceWayng - You forgot 2 of the main centers of power:
Big Belly Burger & Taco Whiz.
They pull all the strings!
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 8/19/2025, 9:53 PM
@BruceWayng - You have Palmer Tech in theory too. Ray Palmer has been working on Dwarf star energy. So, not only does it power his Atom suit, but it could be his version of Cold Fusion, just instead a next generation solar energy.
BlackIceJoe
BlackIceJoe - 8/19/2025, 10:03 PM
- I also forgot in the tv show Creature Commandos Magnus Labs and if I'm not mistaken Ivo Industries was also name dropped too. Magnus Labs makes the Metal Men and Ivo Industries will make the supervillain Amazo.
RolandD
RolandD - 8/20/2025, 12:53 AM
@kider2 - With Taco Whiz, it’s more like pull my finger.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 8/20/2025, 10:10 AM
@BruceWayng - Gusto's Gold (finance sector, shady business dealings) and Nomis Networking (ask Gusto)
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 8/19/2025, 6:19 PM
The problem with that is that when you have a world full of Meta’s then Superman isn’t that special. He’s not even the most powerful (at least that’s the way this film portrayed him). “If everyone is Super then no one is” (Incredibles), and that’s the problem for that logic. Why is Lex so against Supes here and not other meta’s. There are plenty of other aliens with powers in the DCU. Why specifically Superman? I’m not saying Gunn can’t rationalize it (the comics have) but this version of Superman comes off as a lower power level whiny man-child. He should be the most powerful hero. I guess if he’s the most “popular” that can be a justification for Lex’s jealously but it’s a harder sell than it should be.
1stDalek
1stDalek - 8/19/2025, 6:37 PM
@Bucky74 - Because Superman is still the most powerful superhero and if he seems weaker then everyone else below him is weaker too. The bar moves with him
kider2
kider2 - 8/19/2025, 6:39 PM
@Bucky74 - He hates Superman because Superman is an Alien. His powers are something he didn't gain or he has to build. Superman is in direct opposition to his ideology.
But the film it's fallout itself doesn't make sense. So Lex Luthor gets exposed for being a traitor?
Most people wouldn't believe that.
There is a proven recording of Superman's parents telling him to conquer earth. After it gets public Superman is seeing walking into a public building with A spacecop and Hawkgirl (Likely Alien). People would speculate they worked together to produce a plan to get rid of Lex Luthor and his opposition to their takeover. And the same people who Superman talked to and worked with later intervene in a conflict Superman previously tried to prevent.

Lex Luthor got exposed by the Daily Planet the same newspaper that was publishing positive interviews with Superman. People wouldn't believe that. Public perception wouldn't just shift against Lex and in Superman's favor. The government later on even says that the meta's now rule the world. I doubt they would prosecute Lex.

epc1122
epc1122 - 8/19/2025, 6:39 PM
@Bucky74 - going to paraphrase it but it’s because Superman in general it’s because Superman is more loved by the people and he’s not really controlled by anyone. He goes to places trying to prevent war and takes this in his own hands and doesn’t answer to anyone. Similar to the captain America group from civil war. It’s not about how powerful Superman is, it’s an ego thing for Lex.
epc1122
epc1122 - 8/19/2025, 6:42 PM
@kider2 - it’s small but on tv at the end with max lord it says that lex falsified images from Superman’s parents.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 8/19/2025, 6:49 PM
@epc1122 - I hated that plot point and feel that them lying about the message makes it even worse.
epc1122
epc1122 - 8/19/2025, 6:50 PM
@Bucky74 - what’s worse and that lex lied?
1stDalek
1stDalek - 8/19/2025, 6:56 PM
@kider2 - It doesn't matter what the people think about Lex being exposed a traitor by the Daily Planet, the US government still has him in jail for almost destroying Metropolis and possibly the world with this pocket-universe tech, and using a portal location they had contracted him to hold Superman in prison from to do so. The evidence is there for their case and that will hold water with the broader public, even if they distrust the Daily Planet and the other news stations that ran the story.
epc1122
epc1122 - 8/19/2025, 7:03 PM
@1stDalek - I think lex will get out of belle reeve by making a deal to help Superman and supergirl against brainiac which might set up his “redemption” and path towards him being president.
kider2
kider2 - 8/19/2025, 7:07 PM
@1stDalek - Like I said the story is easy to distrust which would make prosecution difficult. And why would the US government want to prosecute them when they now have a metahuman problem on their hands in which a superhero team that is privately owned is able to participate in and intervene in international conflicts? And in this scenario they acted against the interests of a US ally? Why would they even want to prosecute Lex? It'd be more in their interests to not do so.
Bucky74
Bucky74 - 8/19/2025, 7:51 PM
@epc1122 - Superman and Lois basically covering up that his parents are tyrants who sent him there to rule is even worse than his parents being tyrants
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