James Gunn Talks WALLER's "Rough Road," State Of The DCU, And [SPOILER] Storyline He WON'T Be Adapting

James Gunn Talks WALLER's "Rough Road," State Of The DCU, And [SPOILER] Storyline He WON'T Be Adapting

DC Studios co-CEO James Gunn has acknowledged that work on Waller has been more challenging than expected while addressing his plans to focus on producing next year. He also teases the DCU's future...

By JoshWilding - Oct 11, 2025 05:10 AM EST
Filed Under: Peacemaker
Source: The Screen Brief

Peacemaker Season 2's finale introduced the DCU's Checkmate as a heroic organisation that's a far cry from the version often used by Amanda Waller and Maxwell Lord in the comics for their own nefarious means. 

Still, with Rick Flag Sr. going off the deep end, it makes sense to give this world someone who can counter A.R.G.U.S. and its plans for a Multiversal metahuman prison, Salvation (which currently has only one prisoner: Chris Smith). 

Many fans were surprised by Waller's absence in Peacemaker, especially as Viola Davis is still supposed to be taking centre stage in her own TV series. Asked for an update on Waller by The Screen Brief, Gunn admitted that it's been a "rough road."

"There’s a lot to say. It’s like, so, yeah, you know, sometimes things just happen and it’s like butter and it’s so easy and you’re getting great scripts and it’s just, you know, straight of the bat, and other times it’s just a rockier road," he added. "And as I said from the beginning, we’ll never greenlight something where the scripts aren’t working, and we just haven’t had that yet with the Waller show."

After Peacemaker Season 2 didn't quite live up to expectations, many fans are eager for Gunn to take a back seat in 2026 and concentrate on Man of Tomorrow (as a creative, he's been stretched pretty thin between this series, Creature Commandos, and Superman). 

Asked about focusing on being a CEO next year instead of a filmmaker, Gunn said, "It’s challenging because my experience is being writer and director. I’ve produced some things, but it doesn’t feel like it comes as naturally to me. So that is just about trying to be the best producer I can. I’m focused on supporting those creators the best I can to help them tell good stories."

"I’m beholden to the story in those things as much as I am to the stories in my own stuff. So, my central concern is the same whether it’s a movie I’m directing or someone else is directing," he continued, and revealed which part of the DCU he's focusing on "There is one big story. On the one hand, everything is going to be ok to watch by itself, but there is still a bigger story that is being told that involves, for example Salvation."

"And that story involves Rick Flag, it involves Lex and Superman, so those movies I’m going to be directing," Gunn explained. "That’s the plan right now, at least. I may get so tired that I can’t do it because I’m pretty tired, so we’ll see. But there’s a plan that I’m going to do. It’s a couple more at least."

However, before you go tracking down a copy of Salvation Run to try and figure out what the filmmaker is up to, he confirmed that the core of the comic book version of that story isn't something he intends to adapt for the DCU. 

"We’re taking elements like Salvation, but we’re not adapting that total story. For example, there’s a very distinct storyline in the comics that involves The Joker vs Lex Luthor, but we’re not doing that," Gunn said, adding that the idea of sending metahumans to Salvation was a bigger draw to him, as is the exploration of the ramifications of doing so. 

"In this case," he noted, "the sole person there right now is a good guy who has to survive on this own [Peacemaker]." When and where Gunn will explore that plot point remains to be seen, but it likely won't be in Man of Tomorrow, judging by other recent comments. 

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harryba11zack
harryba11zack - 10/11/2025, 5:42 AM
"State Of The DCU" yeah, its a phucking mess
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/11/2025, 8:56 AM
@harryba11zack - well, I mean, we've only had 3 events onscreen....with several confirmed on the way.
Yes, there's things taking more time, but it seems a little premature to call it a total mess.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/11/2025, 11:20 AM
@harryba11zack - The word "Still" is missing there. The DCEU was a mess. A hard reboot like The Batman would have worked much better. Did work much better by all accounts. But to soft reboot and still have an established universe that refuses to do any of the work in world building? Takes notes Marvel. Hard reboot is always better.
HashTagSwagg
HashTagSwagg - 10/11/2025, 6:24 PM
@lazlodaytona - We're just starting out and Lex can already make exact clones of superman with the same strength and powers, clones that aren't going to suddenly develope free will and turn on him, no draw backs like that. There is no reason for Lex to come up with other ways to beat superman now, no reason to build his own armoured suit, no reason to team up with any villains, All Lex needs to do now is make 2 or 3 more clones, maybe hire a few more phone operators and thats it, Lex wins.
NonPlayerC
NonPlayerC - 10/11/2025, 6:02 AM
I still don't really consider peacemaker a good guy.
dragon316
dragon316 - 10/11/2025, 7:41 AM
@NonPlayerC - in comics he’s not maybe in recent comics he’s back and fourth but tv show still see him as villian
ImNotaBot
ImNotaBot - 10/11/2025, 8:13 AM
@NonPlayerC - i think the objective is making a hero by the end of his journey. TSS Peacemaker is a full on bad guy, S1 he realizes hes an asshole and has a existential crisis, S2 is about being free from obeying orders and now he must learn who Peacemaker really is. The next step i think is making him a good guy or try to be a good guy and then i think his arc will be prob over.
JobinJ
JobinJ - 10/11/2025, 6:18 AM
It’s a mess
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/11/2025, 8:57 AM
@JobinJ - see my response above
Thebronxknight
Thebronxknight - 10/11/2025, 6:36 AM
This series should have concluded and ended the story of Peacemaker so the DCU can move forward without the DCEU ties. DCU hasn't stood on its own feet. It's still connected to the DCEU and using Superman 77's theme just feels like he doesnt have the confidence to just fully push forward with his own ideas. This should have been the beginning of the truly definitive DCU on film.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 6:53 AM
@Thebronxknight - I think he likes the peacemaker series and is trying to incorporate the material he created and used in the past. I don’t think anything of this new dcu is related to the dceu. At this point, the one thing that was connected, he retconned. As far as using the Superman music, I don’t think it’s lack of confidence but using things that resonate with him and a lot of the fans. It was familiar and yet new. I’ve heard some takes that were also fanmade that have combined Zimmer and Williams Superman themes. People were pretty happy during the black Adam post scene with Cavill when they used the William theme. I think the problem is that everyone has their own version of how to start a universe and also want it to be like Marvel where Gunn has said he’s trying to emulate Star Wars more.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 10/11/2025, 8:58 AM
@epc1122 - very well said sir
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 10/11/2025, 10:22 AM
@epc1122 - I think this is the most [frick]ing intelligent thing I've ever [frick]ing read from you 😂
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 10:28 AM
@THEKENDOMAN - not quite sure how to take this, I say a lot of intelligent things 😂. Jk, thanks, I think. 🤔 🤣
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 10/11/2025, 10:42 AM
@epc1122 - 🤣🤣

I'm only [frick]ing with you matey.

Im just hating on your very intelligent comment 🤣🤣

My man👊🏿
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 10:45 AM
@THEKENDOMAN - no worries, I’m glad you know it’s an intelligent comment. 🥹. Hope you’re having a nice day 😊
THEKENDOMAN
THEKENDOMAN - 10/11/2025, 10:55 AM
@epc1122 - Matey, you know you and I have always had [frick]ing intelligent back and forth, so I wouldn't expect anything [frick]ing less from you.🙌

I am having a lovely day, matey, thanks for asking. I hope you are the same.👊🏿
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/11/2025, 11:27 AM
@epc1122 - "I think the problem is that everyone... wants it to be like Marvel where Gunn has said he’s trying to emulate Star Wars more."

And Zack and Geoff Johns didn't want it to be like Marvel either.

Maybe next time they should try doing it like Marvel if they want to have what Marvel once had.
(and yes talking about Marvel's success in the past tense does make me sad)
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 11:52 AM
@ObserverIO - honestly don’t think anyone should copy marvel. It was almost catching lightning in a bottle and what worked for one, may not work for another. If dc copied marvel, i think they would have just looked like ripoffs. Had to differentiate somehow but I think the way they did it wasn’t thought out and kept changing the plan. Should have just went with Snyder’s 4 or 5 part series and then reboot. Could have been treated as one big movie graphic novel.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/11/2025, 11:56 AM
@epc1122 - It's okay to copy something that works. Especially since it's just what the comics did. In fact Marvel Comics expressly copied DC's approach that had proven to work for both the Justice League in the Silver Age and the Justice Society in the Golden Age.

It's a proven model. To deviate just because you don't want to look like a ripoff is like shooting yourself in the foot because you don't want to have the same walk as everybody else.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 3:22 PM
@ObserverIO - I don’t think dc were wrong with the approach to their universe. I just think the movies itself were dark and people generally found them boring. It also wasn’t geared for the four quadrant movie which could also help to bring more viewings.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 5:39 PM
@THEKENDOMAN - thanks, appreciate it. 🥹
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/11/2025, 6:08 PM
@epc1122 - The Dark Knight Trilogy, The Batman, Logan, Joker etc dispel this notion.

Yet whenever a universe fails to properly present an extraordinary concept and just expects the audience to roll with it, that universe has failed.
And whenever a universe like this has succeeded it has properly presented these concepts.

How many times must DC fail this way before they at least deign to give the tried and true method a go?
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 7:28 PM
@ObserverIO - I’m not quite sure I understand your point. Are you strictly talking about having origin movies for each character and then bringing them together for the avengers like what marvel did? Star Wars is a pretty big I.p. and it started with episode 4 in the story. That worked out for them. Indiana jones didn’t have an origin. The terminator franchise didn’t really have an origin, the story kind of started in the middle. Marvel was ambitious but even now, it was too much connectedness to the point where, at least to me it feels like homework. After man of steel people were psyched to have Batman in the next movie and Wonder Woman was a standout in Batman v Superman. But Batman v Superman the theaters cut had mixed reviews and wasn’t received well. I think if they took inspiration from the Batman Superman animated movie from Bruce timm, the whole trajectory of the Snyderverse would have been different. After Justice League, aquaman and Wonder Woman did well at the box office. The first Shazam made a profit. Flash did terrible but there was a lot of behind the scenes problems. Covid also didn’t help. I think the execution of the plan wasn’t great but it didn’t have to be exactly like marvel. There are pros and cons to all of it. If movies resonate with the audience, I’m not sure if it really matters.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/11/2025, 8:00 PM
@epc1122 - Basically like how Marvel built up to the Avengers yeah. I mean with superhero teams that are made up of different concepts that's the tried and true way of doing it.

But moreover just explaining or presenting an extraordinary concept to the audience rather than expecting them to roll with it. So in Indiana Jones the extraordinary conceptual aspect is the Ark in Raiders, the stones in Temple of Doom, the Holy Grail in Holy Grail etc. One big concept per movie and they are presented to the audience in each movie. But if the the very first Indy movie had all of these concepts at once and just expected the audience to know what they were, it would have been bad writing and the audience would have rejected that movie as being silly.

Terminator introduced the audience to the concepts of AI, Cyborgs and time travel (all advanced technology from the future) to the audience. It told the story gradually and steadily.

Wonder Woman and Aquaman were the only two movies after Man of Steel to actually tell the story and explain all the extraordinary concepts to the audience. They make sense all on their own, unlike BvS, Justice League etc. The only movie that comes close to them in terms of doing this is the first Shazam. A lo and behold they were the only successes after MOS.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/11/2025, 8:27 PM
@ObserverIO - I don’t really agree with you on your assessment of indiana jones or terminator. Indiana jones still didn’t have an origin and was well received. The plot of each movie had a macguffin which is different than actual characters. The characters in Justice league aren’t the macguffin, they’re just characters with powers. Justice league, there was a Macguffin and especially in Snyder’s version, it did give a backstory to each character like an origin. Also, bruce timms justice league worked out pretty well where they just came together. As far as tried and true with the avengers, what other movies built up each character to build to a team other than the avengers? Do you mean the comics? What other team up movie had origins for each of the characters? Fantastic four? X-Men? Guardians of the galaxy? Other than the avengers, I can’t really come up with an example to what you’re talking about. Again, the Snyderverse was doing ok at the box office based off the popularity of the characters but the movies had high production budgets and the movies didn’t resonate with the audiences. It wasn’t really the plan that didn’t work for the Snyderverse but the movies just weren’t liked critically or from the audience.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/12/2025, 3:55 AM
@epc1122 - If the movie doesn't tell the story properly then it won't resonate with audiences and will be critically panned.

So far Marvel does seem to be unique in having a successful shared cinematic universe, unless you count Universal Monsters. But the method has proven to work in comics, which is after all the thing that these movies are adapting.

Indiana Jones doesn't need an origin. Do you know why? Because he is a human. We know what a human is, it's not an extraordinary concept.
A mutant is an extraordinary concept and that is explained in the movie X-Men. That whole concept is the plot. So being that every member of the X-Men is a mutant this is all the origin/explanation that they need.
The Fantastic Four all derive their powers from the same source and that origin is shown in the 2005 movie.

But the Justice League is made up of super powered individuals who are all superpowered for very different reasons. They did not show any of their origins in the 2017 Justice League and only showed Cyborg's in ZSJL. Wonder Woman and Aquaman's origins were shown in their own solo movies which were successful. As bad as Justice League was (both versions) it might have been successful if all the superheroes on the team had origin movies first.
The Flash never once had an origin on screen. They showed his character's backstory, with his father in jail etc. but a backstory and an origin are two different things. An origin explains the extraordinary nature of the supervillain or superhero. We never see how Flash gets his powers we're just supposed to accept that he has superspeed. It's not until the second act of The Flash that we learn he was struck by lightning one day while interning at a lab.

Terminator tells the story perfectly. Everything is introduced to the audience in a natural way.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/12/2025, 7:36 AM
@ObserverIO - man of steel did ok at the box office, Batman v Superman made more money than man of steel but didn’t make as much of a profit because of the budget, Justice league actually made a decent amount st the box office but the production budget was high so the profit was minimal. Same with suicide squad. The point, these movies were decent at the box office but people just didn’t like the movies. If people enjoyed the movies they would have done better, not because people were confused about the origins. Other than marvels avengers, I still don’t know what teamup you’re referring to about the “tried and true” set up that you mentioned that always seems to work. Fantastic four and X-men didn’t do avengers numbers. With avengers, black widow and Hawkeye didn’t have their own solo movie and only had minimal parts in previous marvel films. It wasn’t that the general audience never heard of the flash or aquaman before, they’re pretty well known characters, people just didn’t like the movie. Guardians of the galaxy also didn’t have origins for Drax, rocket, gimora, and groot but that teamup in the first movie led to two sequels and became household names.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/12/2025, 2:08 PM
@epc1122 - Black Widow and Hawkeye, like Indiana Jones are humans and humans are not extraordinary concepts.
And the characters in GOTG are aliens. That's one concept and the movie starts with an alien abduction of a regular human.
It's not about backstories , it's about explaining to the audience wtf is going on.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/12/2025, 2:35 PM
@ObserverIO - your logic really doesn’t make sense. It’s not about backstories yet it’s about explaining to the audience what’s going on. It’s ok to have different powered aliens in guardians that doesn’t need explaining but a guy who runs really fast like the flash does need explaining? When Bruce met flash, flash could have just said he was struck by lightning. Doesn’t need a whole movie. Spider-man was also in civil war and people didn’t need any real origin story. The difference is, people generally enjoyed civil war. Wonder Woman was in Batman v Superman and that movie did over 800 million at the box office. Budget was extremely high so it took away from the profit but she didn’t have an origin in that movie and she was the breakout character. Point is, there’s more than one way to do a universe and didn’t have to be origin movies to build up to a team movie. The movies just have to resonate with the audience.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/12/2025, 6:05 PM
@epc1122 - My logic does make sense. Yes it is okay to have different powered aliens in GOTG because the one explanation is that they're aliens. Flash is a human. Humans are not known to have super speed.
In the Whedon Cut the explanation for Flash's powers were given with one throwaway line "Got struck by lightning". That's not enough. That makes no sense to an audience that is coming in cold. He has super powers because he was struck by lightning? wtf does that mean?! But if we saw this happen and went with him on this journey it would make sense to the audience.

Spider-Man didn't need an origin movie in Civil War for one very very good reason: He'd already had two.

And BvS made some money when it first came out but the universe collapsed right there and then. The DCEU was actually DOA. I heard many people at the water cooler saying it was weird that Wonder Woman suddenly appeared at the end of the movie, so her being a breakout character might have just been what we saw from our cbm bubble perspective. Yes she got her own movie directly afterward but that was the plan before anyone even saw BvS. That's why the Wonder Woman photo in the movie was changed from the Korean War to WWI.

So the point realy should be that there's actually not more than one way to do a shared superhero universe. People just keep thinking that there is. And then the world proves them wrong. Time and again. The DCU will be another one of those times.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/12/2025, 6:24 PM
@ObserverIO - the audience weren’t confused with the flash and his speed, they just didn’t like the movie. You wrote a whole lot of nonsense just to try to prove your point and in my opinion you were completely unsuccessful. By your logic spider-man should have had a new origin movie but you’re saying he had two origin movies from two different spider-mans. In civil war, people could have been confused and say where’s Toby maguire or Andrew Garfield. 🤷‍♂️. Flash had his own tv show around the same time of the Justice League which could’ve filled your origin problem but now you’ll say tv and movies are different. If justice league had a story that people liked and if there was less standing around of the main characters and a story that made sense, it would have worked out better. Also, if Superman was in it for more than five minutes and didn’t have a deformed face, that would have helped too. On a side note, not everyone in Star Trek are aliens and Spock didn’t need his own origin movie. Other then marvel, you still haven’t given another example of how it’s tried and true approach if it’s done just once.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/12/2025, 6:53 PM
@epc1122 - I feel like over the years you have been psychologically resistant to this very simple idea. And I think you'll continue to be no matter how many times DC fails and how many different ways I and others might try to get the logic of this point across. But I will endeavor to press on for now, albeit with less enthusiasm.

"By your logic spider-man should have had a new origin movie but you’re saying he had two origin movies from two different spider-mans. In civil war, people could have been confused and say where’s Toby maguire or Andrew Garfield. "
That wasn't my logic at all.

"But now you’ll say tv and movies are different."
TV and movies are different.

"Not everyone in Star Trek are aliens and Spock didn’t need his own origin movie."
Spock is an alien.

"Other then marvel, you still haven’t given another example of how it’s tried and true approach if it’s done just once."
Again, there is no other example unless you count Universal Monsters. The MCU is the only one to have tried this and thus far the only one to have succeeded.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/12/2025, 7:09 PM
@ObserverIO - if marvel was really the only one to try and succeed than it can’t be tried and true which was one of your original comments. You keep moving the goal post for argument which is maybe why i still don’t agree. No comic company has really tried to do a shared universe prior to marvel which is also why it worked so well. It felt new and fresh. That’s not to say that there’s no other way. Unfortunately, superhero movies are on the decline which also doesn’t help. If the Snyderverse had movies that people liked, it wouldn’t be an issue. Was it the plan that didn’t work or did people just not like the actual movies? Superman, Batman v Superman, suicide squad, Justice League, Wonder Woman, and aquaman had decent opening weekends but then had a considerable drop off the second weekend. People were initially interested in the movies but people didn’t like them. The general audience isn’t as hung up with origins and just want to be entertained. Star Wars also started the story on episode 4 and spawned a whole universe. So to say that the way marvel did it is the only way really isn’t true. Hell, now they’re paying for everting being too connected because it feels like homework.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/12/2025, 7:26 PM
@epc1122 - "If marvel was really the only one to try and succeed than it can’t be tried and true which was one of your original comments."
Marvel tried it and proved it true.

"Star Wars also started the story on episode 4"
Again, aliens. There is the additional concept of magic (The Force) but that is explained at length.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/12/2025, 7:49 PM
@ObserverIO - if only one company did it and was successful, it’s not enough to say that’s the only way that can work. Experiments typically need to be done a minimum of three times to be proven. Dc could have had four origin movies that bombed and might not even get to the justice league movie. You keep moving the goal post for your argument. Either things need a lengthy backstory explained or not. Just being an alien doesn’t explain why one alien is a tree and one is a raccoon. People weren’t confused that the flash can go fast, they just found the character annoying because they didn’t like Ezra miller. People weren’t confused with aquaman and his solo movie ended up doing great. The fact that Wonder Woman and aquaman did well pretty much disproves your argument. Wonder Woman happened after Batman v Superman and aquaman did well after Justice League.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 10/13/2025, 3:42 AM
@epc1122 - How is this particular "Experiment" supposed to be proven three times if DC refuse to even try it once?

"Dc could have had four origin movies that bombed"
The last four successful movies from DC were Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Joker & The Batman.

"You keep moving the goal post for your argument. Either things need a lengthy backstory explained or not."
I'm gonna say this again because I don't think you're trolling me, I think you're just not listening to what I'm saying; It's not about backstory. It's about properly presenting extraordinary concepts to the audience.

"Just being an alien doesn’t explain why one alien is a tree and one is a raccoon."
It does. They're aliens, that's why. They are different species because they are aliens.

"People weren’t confused with aquaman and his solo movie ended up doing great."
His solo movie actually told his story. Fully. From before his birth. From Atlantis' sinking. Everything we needed to know. It was a complete story. It was also complete shit but was still successful because it told the audience a full story and didn't just expect them to catch up by reading the comics.
Same thing with Wonder Woman. It doesn't matter that it happened afterwards.

Nobody saw Justice League, but they didn't need to see Justice League to enjoy Aquaman. However they did need to see Aquaman to enjoy Justice League which is nuts because that came out afterwards.
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/13/2025, 7:24 AM
@ObserverIO - I honestly just don’t agree with you. Wonder Woman 2 and aquaman 2 also bombed even though we knew the characters. Bad movies don’t resonate with people. I think a deformed looking Superman only being in it for five minutes, movie was boring, and nonsensical were more prominent factors than flash having a previous movie. Marvel did both versions where characters were introduced prior to a team up and during team ups. Ant-man and spider-man had solo movies that were successful after the team ups not necessarily before. But I believe we’ve exhausted this discussion. I will say that I appreciate that it seemed like a good faith discussion and hope you realize that it was never meant to troll, just a discussion where I just don’t agree with you. Do you have a favorite comic book character or movie? Anyways, hope you have a nice day! 👍
epc1122
epc1122 - 10/13/2025, 8:19 AM
@ObserverIO - my apologies, I’d like to correct myself from my last post, it wasn’t ant-man that was in civil war first and then had a movie, I believe it was black panther. I was wrong about that but other than that, I stand by everything lol. Anyways, hope you’re having a nice morning .
ClungeOfSteel
ClungeOfSteel - 10/11/2025, 6:36 AM
3/6 Good scripts he's greenlit so far are his own 😭😅
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