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Repian
Repian - 12/22/2023, 12:08 PM
Man Of Steel is better than the last Wonder Woman movie. We have to admit that Zack did a good job with Superman.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/22/2023, 1:37 PM
@Repian - It was mediocre, fan-service at best only in the course-correction way about action since Superman Returns. Seeing Superman being arrested while he presents himself to the world the first time was so dang stupid as compared to Superman saving Lois from the helicopter ride in front of the public.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/23/2023, 9:26 AM
@Repian - Man of Steel was the first DCEU movie -- before they even knew they were making a DCEU -- and was the best film of the entire catalog, to me. I'll never understand why critics were so harsh with it.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/23/2023, 10:28 PM
@Tonic24k -

Agreed.
CAVILL was a good choice.
Score was S tier
Action was also S tier
Casting was solid all around.
Zod was fantastic.

The really only downside was that it was a little too bleak at times and Pa Kent dying from the tornado was stupid.

But other than that, it’s really good.
Evansly
Evansly - 12/22/2023, 12:09 PM
A lot of crap! I totally forgot about Blue Beetle and it was cool to see it so high on the list, I'll have to check it out
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/22/2023, 1:39 PM
@Evansly - That one, Birds of Prey, and The Suicide Squad are the only certified ones that bombed that didn't deserve to (the latter two being because of the pandemic).
tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 12/22/2023, 12:09 PM
Personally feel like the new Aquaman, the Shazam sequel, and even the trashcan fire The Flash suffered from a fan base knowing that the universe they were in was dead so why would they care? If there was still plans to continue the DCEU after those movies, the scores could be very different. Just my opinion!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/22/2023, 1:32 PM
@tluciotti74 - Well Joker made a billion and they sold it as a stand alone with no plans for a sequel.
lazlodaytona
lazlodaytona - 12/22/2023, 3:08 PM
@ObserverIO - the difference is the films/characters above have been a part of a shared universe since 2013 whereas everyone knew, at the time, JOKER was a one-shot deal in its own little world.
tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 12/23/2023, 2:21 PM
@ObserverIO - as @lazlodaytona said they were all part of a universe and you told everyone that the universe was dead before the movies even came out so why would anyone care when you know you do not need to see these movies in order to see the next movie or anything like that. You can watch it when it streams in 3 months because you do not need to see it before seeing anything else kind of thing.
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 12/23/2023, 3:09 PM
@tluciotti74 - I wonder what this means for Joker 2. It'll be interesting if the sequel suffers because it doesn't count.
tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 1/3/2024, 8:43 AM
@ObserverIO - you have a real hard time differentiating between a stand alone movie and a movie universe huh?
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/3/2024, 10:44 AM
@tluciotti74 - Well, Joker was a stand alone movie, but now it has a sequel coming out, it's officially a movie universe. Of course, if there's no third film coming, due to DC Studios, then why would people continue to invest in that universe?
tluciotti74
tluciotti74 - 1/3/2024, 10:59 AM
@ObserverIO - Thanks for commenting and saying the same thing over and over again. Please move on to bother other people with your nonsensical responses. Thank you!
ObserverIO
ObserverIO - 1/3/2024, 11:11 AM
@tluciotti74 - You said that you thought I had a hard time differentiating between a stand alone movie and a movie universe. I was just putting you right. I don't.

I was sort of agreeing with and backing up your point and wondering if the box office for Joker 2 could also be effected for the same reasons.

They are different universes, but they are both universes that are about to be discontinued.

These are not "nonsensical responses".

As for having the patience to say the same thing over and over again until communication is achieved, you're welcome.
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/22/2023, 12:11 PM
If you use RT as your go to score, you're a moron. It dies equal the score of the movie! It means they voted at least 60% and marked it fresh... so a 90% means 90% of people think it's a passable movie...
bobevanz
bobevanz - 12/22/2023, 12:12 PM
@bobevanz - does not* broke ass clowns can't add an edit button after 15 years
Usernametaken
Usernametaken - 12/22/2023, 12:18 PM
ah yes, 78% for Birds of Prey...

Anyways, only movies I liked in this list are Man of Steel and The Suicide Squad. The rest I'll never see again.
HulkisHoly
HulkisHoly - 12/23/2023, 10:31 PM
@Usernametaken -

I agree
Forthas
Forthas - 12/22/2023, 12:24 PM
Man of Steel is the greatest DCEU film and one of the best origin films ever made. It is by far the only DCEU film that was worth building on but unfortunately that opportunity was squandered. Had Warner Brothers paired the Dark Knight Trilogy with Man of Steel then Warner brothers would not be in the dire straits it is in now desperate to merge with another studio because it cannot grow from its own products. The DCEU is a sad testament to stupidity and bad management. Their shareholders should be able to sue this company for allowing a director to satisfy his own preferences at the expense of the their customers. it is arguably the most expensive mistake in the history of cinema when one considers the opportunity costs, loss of brand value, and the careers of directors and actors this whole effort cost.
Th3Batman
Th3Batman - 12/22/2023, 12:34 PM
@Forthas - "Man of Steel is the greatest DCEU film and one of the best origin films ever made."

Probably the best thing about this movie is that it works as a standalone movie, so hopefully it's revisited and people appreciate years down the line.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/22/2023, 12:37 PM
@Th3Batman - Agreed! It seems like Warner Brothers needs to lose more money before it sinks in...A man of Steel 2 (unaffiliated with the DCEU or DCU) is a billion dollar film.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/23/2023, 9:29 AM
@Forthas - Yep! MoS was a great film that certainly didn't deserve that irrationally low RT score.
Forthas
Forthas - 12/23/2023, 9:57 AM
@Tonic24k - It is funny because as these "colorful" "lighthearted" films fail one after the other - especially this year - shows just how irrational the negative response to MoS serious tone was simply ridiculous.
Tonic24k
Tonic24k - 12/23/2023, 10:49 AM
@Forthas - Exactly. The more "artistic" take Snyder gave Superman worked beautifully. I remember seeing the teaser for the first time in theaters and got chills when it showed him at the end breaking the sound barrier. I grew up watching the Reeve's iteration of Superman so this -- after that abomination of Superman Returns -- excited the hell out of me.

It is such a shame WB didn't have the patience to develop their universe properly.

And yes, the negative responses (especially in hindsight) were so irrational. Even for the individual scenes that people overly criticized. The moment Superman took Zod's life was intense and Cavill's acting in that scene was brilliant. I understand the argument of comparing this choice to his comic book counterpart but I personally think that very reason gave Superman's emotional response that much more gravity.

Forthas
Forthas - 12/23/2023, 11:01 AM
@Tonic24k - Man of Steel was an epic start to the DCEU. They really crap the bed in rushing to develop the shared universe.

What could have been!
GhostDog
GhostDog - 12/22/2023, 12:25 PM
"A Final DCEU Ranking Based On Rotten Tomatoes Scores"

You can bet this ain't the final ranking. Josh has a slightly dissimilar version of this article in the drafts
Forthas
Forthas - 12/22/2023, 12:34 PM
THE DCEU RANKINGS

1) Man of Steel
2) Wonder Woman
3) Zack Snyder’s Justice League
4) Blue Beetle
5) Black Adam
6) The Suicide Squad
7) Shazam
8) Aquaman
9) Shazam Fury of the Gods
10) Aquaman The Lost Kingdom
11) Wonder Woman 1984
12) Birds of Prey
13) Justice League
14) Batman v Superman
15) Suicide Squad
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/22/2023, 3:09 PM
@Forthas - Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad>>>>>>>>>> all the other crap
Forthas
Forthas - 12/22/2023, 5:07 PM
@McMurdo - Wow!...I guess that is why The Suicide Squad bombed so hard, even the film's director who is now in charge of DC has not greenlit a sequel and is letting Peacmeaker sit out for two years amid its declining ratings.
McMurdo
McMurdo - 12/22/2023, 7:49 PM
@Forthas - is that why Peacemaker was so successful????
Forthas
Forthas - 12/22/2023, 9:05 PM
@McMurdo - So here is the REAL Story. Here is John Cena's post announcing the news...

https://twitter.com/JohnCena/status/1494771714731003907?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1494771714731003907%7Ctwgr%5E3d6050c20c7733430cb3a7684d72ab7f9d4f84fb%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvariety.com%2F2022%2Ftv%2Fnews%2Fpeacemaker-finale-trending-tv-1235187389%2F

"finale had the biggest single day performance for a Max Original series"

That means it does not include, movies, or HBO (cable) series, or single episode specials. ALSO....HBO Max launched May 27, 2020...That announcement was in February 2022 so a whole year and seven months worth of "original" programs that we are comparing it to? How many did that constitute 2, 3, maybe four original programs?

WEAK SAUCE! Try harder!
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