Christian Bale Bailing on Batman 3 Movie?!!

Sheesh! In this short clip from MTV, it seems Christan "Batman" Bale isn't very optimistic about doing another Batman flick.

This from MTV...

While Bale maintained no less than three times during the interview that he was unsure another "Batman" will be made, the 35-year-old actor is contractually obligated to return — however, Nolan is not. And Bale simply can't conceive of having to reprise his role without the director by his side.

"I don't even want to think about it," he said.

What might keep Nolan from returning? "It would be purely that he would need to find a story that was good enough — and if he can't find that, then it wouldn't happen," Bale explained.

Without a script or a director, Bale was reluctant to speculate about what a future "Batman" would look like. "I'm even a step away from having to consider that," he said.

ComicBookMovie
6/22/2009
MTV

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131 Comments

	He cant! He's got to do it!! Contract!!! ; D LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 2:45 PM
	Yeah but with an attitude like that we probably won't see the likes of another Dark Knight... Bamf7 - 6/22/2009, 2:53 PM
	No Loss teabag - 6/22/2009, 3:00 PM
	HE'S UNDER CONTRACT TO DO AT LEAST THREE..REGARDLESS IF NOLAN RETURNS OR NOT...HONESTLLY YOU WANT A GOOD BATMAN FILM OR A PUSHED OUT FORCED BATMAN FILM? GUNSMITH - 6/22/2009, 3:05 PM
	guy's a jerk it really is hard though to figure whether or not nolan will direct the third...of course, he'd be banking more on a guaranteed box office success, but i doubt that they will be able to come up with anything to top tdk, and i know that nolan doesnt want that to happen JeremyBentham - 6/22/2009, 3:06 PM
	Again...keep the successful team and stop thinking money Movie Execs.... Give Nolan some time to create something...No law say batman 3 have to come out right away... They left no cliffhangers so they have all the time in the world. Plus I think they do need to give Dark Knight a little more time to cool off...everyone is still going to hold them to super high expectations...given some time it will be more like cool a new batman film. vonstallin - 6/22/2009, 3:06 PM
	If Nolan and Bale are not in the next one, then why make it? It's like Wolverine without Hugh Jackman. Jetsaholic - 6/22/2009, 3:06 PM
	Maybe its just me, but I never understood why Bale is considered such a good Bruce/Batman. Let him walk, there are better Batman than him BuckyB7588 - 6/22/2009, 3:10 PM
	Wtf? i cant believe people are bashing Bale for this one. He wants to wait and see if Nolan comes back on board, the same man that MADE the most successful CBM of all time both critically and commercially. He doesnt want to rush in and just get another movie out there for a paycheck regardless of the story. This isnt Michael bay folks, Nolan actually cares about making something with substance. so i say wait for that all important right story and Bale will be back on board. Rorschach01 - 6/22/2009, 3:13 PM
	Still plenty of time before anything solid will be decided. No need to panic. This will work out, there's too much money involved for this not to get handled correctly. BillyBlack - 6/22/2009, 3:14 PM
	billyblack has it right. valeriesghost - 6/22/2009, 3:21 PM
	nolan will do another pne, every man has a price. And bale, well Bale has a little thing called a legaly binding contract. THEHAWK - 6/22/2009, 3:26 PM
	We've heard this song and dance before. How many times is this story gonna be put on this site. It's the same thing. Nolan isn't signed on, Bale doesn't wanna do it with out him but has a contract, The only way Nolan will do it is if there is a story there. MOVING ON! mativ16 - 6/22/2009, 3:29 PM
	What makes me laugh is everyone loves NOLAN! : D He wasn't the only person to make TDK gold! ; ) LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 3:43 PM
	I agree, they will both get back on board. There truly are plenty of great Batman stories out there. Just pluck one from the heavens and it will rain gold. I don't know if he was "acting" or not but Bale seems like he's shaking in his boots. I liked the "Venom" storyline. It was cool to see Batman break character in that way. Betty - 6/22/2009, 3:45 PM
	I wouldn't want to see another one if Nolan doesn't do it. I don't blame Bale for being timid about it. I would be too in that position. He trusts Nolan will make a great movie and he doesn't trust another director. I am tired of hearing news about this. It has been rehashed several times. If another Batman movie comes along then it does. If not, then it doesn't. cable82 - 6/22/2009, 3:45 PM
	BALE HAS TO DO IT WHATS WRONG WIV U LOT??? : / Or he gets Sued! End of, an NOLAN can be replaced, like i said TDK wasn't a one man job!!! LMAO, i remember everyone saying the sun shined out of SINGERS and RAIMI's asses years ago lol! Same oh, same oh! : D LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 3:48 PM
	Yeah, but theres nothing saying WHEN he has to do it! If they dont sign a director the the movie doesn't get made so his contract obligation is moot anyway Rorschach01 - 6/22/2009, 3:55 PM
	Ror @ you have to consider, the studio knows how bankable of a franchise it is, especially with Bale contractually bound to the Batman name...even if they have to find a crap director with a crap script, they'll still force him to do it... $$$$$ Its the root of all comic book movie evil OptimusPrimeTime - 6/22/2009, 4:01 PM
	However that won't happened...hahaha...Nolan will be back...Bale will be back...with any luck we will get another amazing villain (Johnny Depp/Riddler..fingers crossed now) OptimusPrimeTime - 6/22/2009, 4:02 PM
	@vonstallin: co-sign HAQ - 6/22/2009, 4:03 PM
	Well optimus, lets hope your right and we dont end up with some hack like Ratner or Bay. Theprogram, no Bat movie under Nolan will ever be called the caped crusader! In fact, under nobody except maybe Schumaker, and something tells me he wont be making another one. I would like to see Catwoman though.. Rorschach01 - 6/22/2009, 4:18 PM
	looks like he is goin for the "machinist" look again and of course there is going to be another movie, he just doesnt feel like talkin about it cuz hes Christian Bale. he will trash your lights Torque - 6/22/2009, 4:21 PM
	i can understand that he would be reluctant to return without nolan-i would be reluctant to o and see it without nolan as director, lol! Nolan is an amazing director and The Dark Knight was probablky the best film I have ever seen! a film can have a great cast but without a decent director that means nothing!!! Bale is a damn good actor and the Batman films would be worse off without him! joshw24 - 6/22/2009, 4:33 PM
	well if i was Christain Bale i woulden't do anouther Batman movie. Comeon the movie diden't become number one because it was a movie about Batman. U people went just to see Heath Ledger. So I say U people wont like the next Batman movie unless something happends to Christain Bale. Logan-X - 6/22/2009, 4:37 PM
	He just has to fix that damn batman voice he does.... In the first one it was good... but the second one was just toooo much thegreek - 6/22/2009, 4:47 PM
	God i hate Bale with a passion... but i think Bane would be an awesome villian for the 3rd movie as long as he wasn't just some mindless muscle like he was in Batman and Robin. I think it would be epic to see the bat get broken on the big screen. SlaughterHouse - 6/22/2009, 4:47 PM
	well, Logan-X I didnt go and see The Dark Knight just because Heath Ledger died and I doubt anyone else did either unless they have a perverse fascination with death. What the hell is wrong with you? joshw24 - 6/22/2009, 4:49 PM
	You still flogging that dead horse Logan X? Change the record, your wrong and you know it. Ledgers death may have given the movie some extra publicity before it was released but after the public and the critics realized what an achievement it was, it was recognized for it, and would have been regardless of Ledgers death. theprogram i really dont think they will subtitle the next movie with anything to do with Batman himself. The Dark Knight title didnt just refer to batman, it was the theme running through the movie. So my guess is they would prob call the next one Batman: whatever...like Batman: Endgame, or whatever the story happens to focus on. Rorschach01 - 6/22/2009, 4:51 PM
	They could get someone else to play Bats if needed. I wouldnt want that though. DarkAvengers - 6/22/2009, 4:59 PM
	he never said he was not doing it. no news here. grif - 6/22/2009, 5:02 PM
	Hopefully, the subtitle will be something cool like evolution, revolution, silver or full throttle. Any of these would be great. Betty - 6/22/2009, 5:02 PM
	TheProgram- They wouldn't do Beyond right now because it wouldn't fit with the continuity goign right now but maybe later down the road that would be sick movie. SlaughterHouse - 6/22/2009, 5:07 PM
	Tbh I don't see anything new or wrong with what Bale said. Bale wants to do Batman with Nolan; he'll only like doing Batman if Nolan's on board. The only mistake he made (or his lawyers) was to sign a contract to do 3 films and not with Nolan on board for either of them. Let's face it guys, the success of the 2 films really has to be attributed to Nolan at the end of the day. Yes all the actor's performances were incredible; but without good writing, a good story or good directing, there wouldn't be good acting! So Nolan IS the success of the franchise and Bale recognises this. So I don't blame the guy not wanting to do another Batman film without Nolan. RADIATE! Radiate - 6/22/2009, 5:09 PM
	BALE is contracted for THREE BAT movies! Why is everyone arguing over this??? LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 5:09 PM
	Oh yeah, DEADSHOT & DEATHSTROKE hunting BATS in BATS 3! ; ) LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 5:11 PM
	I hope he don't do batman he is a punk and the only reason that batman 2 did so well was because heath ledger died and that is the only reason, so let this guy go. bodykount80 - 6/22/2009, 5:43 PM
	Ah we'll see another Batman movie wether Nolan stays or not. Same with Bale. This is a franchise. Warner will be making Batman movies after we're all dead. On another note, I would also like to see a Batman Beyond live action movie. Big fan of the show!! longbowhunter - 6/22/2009, 5:45 PM
	I thought his Bat voice was the only thing wrong with the Dark Knight movie... But even then, it wasn’t that bad... Bale was good, but he wasn't amazing... If it wasn't for Ledgers performance the movie had the potential to be just another good, but mediocre Batman movie So, I think there are plenty of other actors out there that could pull off the role just as good or even better than Bale Niem8211 - 6/22/2009, 5:48 PM
	theProgram!!! Lol! ; D An yeah WARNERS could easily do a BATMAN BEYOND as well as keep the current BAT Franchise going! After all its set in the future, i think get CLINT EASTWOOD back for one more acting job as BRUCE WAYNE! Hey $$$$ Talk! ; ) Or better still, KEATON! Who would play the new bats? LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 5:54 PM
	I'm not that well versed in young Hollywood to pick a good Terry. I'm sure someone would offer Shia LeBeouf the part though. longbowhunter - 6/22/2009, 6:09 PM
	I think that a story is possible. They could possibly have the Riddler have been a local criminal that was trying to steal money for his dying wife and to keep his apartment from being seized by the bank but Batman stopped him and he went to jail and lost everything. Also, Batman threw a batarang at his legs, where he had to have metal bolts put in his legs and be walking around with his cane. So the Riddler would want revenge on Batman and is calling him out by kidnapping police and so forth and putting them in life or death traps, similiar to Saw, but they have to solve puzzles in order to survive. He could also be blowing up buildings to try and get Batman out of hiding so he can get his revenge and kill him. Batman could be taking the loss of Rachael real hard and having become a drunk and down on himself, while trying to come to terms with the hero that he once was. Catwoman could be around as the hero trying to save Gotham in Batman's absence, following in Batman's footsteps but with a cat as her "symbol". Also,the Penguin could be a crime boss in the movie trying to take control of Gotham, since the other ones were killed off in the Dark Knight, but being called the Penguin, because he is fat and has a long nose. Also he could have another crime boss or possibly only a hitman, Mr Freeze, running around and causing destruction. But he would be called Mr. Freeze because he keeps the bodies of his victims in Freezers in a warehouse on meat hooks and so forth. Also the theme of this story could be redemption and the question of whether Batman can really be a hero for Gotham. anonymous - 6/22/2009, 6:19 PM
	Ah, hey LEEE I've got it. I know he isnt high school age, but how about Justin Long for Terry/Batman? longbowhunter - 6/22/2009, 6:38 PM
	Well he's young and doesn't have a whole lot of acting under his belt yet so I don't know about his acting chops but I think he definetly looks the part of Terry... Adam Gregory. SlaughterHouse - 6/22/2009, 6:45 PM
	JUSTIN LONG is a great pick Longbow @!!! Slaughterhouse @ Yeah ive never seen him before but he does have the look down easy!! I think though a cross between BATMAN & BLADE RUNNER an we got an Awesome BATMAN BEYOND! LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 6:59 PM
	I dont know maybe as Terry, but I just can't see Justin Long as Batman. SlaughterHouse - 6/22/2009, 7:04 PM
	We're on about Terry! LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 7:40 PM
	O god I'm not liking the sound of this. Bandrews1 - 6/22/2009, 7:48 PM
	ror, i can fully understand why bale would want to wait on releasing information, and i can totally respect his loyalty to nolan as a director, but the way he answers the reporter in that aggravated way makes me think i wouldnt like him as a person. as an actor, he's great. i love him as batman. but for petes sake, he didnt even answer the damn question! JeremyBentham - 6/22/2009, 7:50 PM
	Honestly, how hard is it to get all these people to make one last flick...Uncle Georgie may be a senile old man who pillages his own stories and suckifies them...but at least he can hold a cast together! TheDurkinKnight - 6/22/2009, 9:18 PM
	Cristian Bale is under contract for a 3rd Batflick, but so was Keaton when he was sceduled to do Batman Forever. Keaton left the Bat franchise because Tim Burton wasn't the Directer or the man incharge. It could be the samething with the Nolan series , if Chris doesn't come back. Bale cant give any info to the viewers because their isn't anything to give or to talk about. Bale, Goyer, and the rest of the crew don't know anything until they hear from Chris Nolan. Chris made it clear a year ago that he's not going to make a 3rd sequel just because everyone wants him to. If their a good/ great story to tell then he'll do the third. I belived by the end of the year Batman fans will know what Nolan's answer after he's done working on "Inception." What makes Bale a better Batman than the rest of the actors who potrayed Bruce/Batman; he gets more into character, then the rest of the actors did. Bale's Batman/Bruce Wayne is influnce are from Batman: Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and BY1. Keaton, Cloney, Kilmer didn't have these influnces to work with when they were cast as Batman. Keaton was only read TDKR when he was cast as the character back in 1989, and for the sequel. TDKR11 - 6/22/2009, 9:24 PM
	TDKR11 @ When i comes to favorite BATMAN's, its always gonna be a tie between BALE and KEATON! Soz both really good BATS but in different ways! ; ) Durkin @ Init, it wouldn't take much! Anyway BALE has to play BATMAN (an he should feel lucky to do so too), if he don't wont WARNERS just sue his a$$ for all he's got??? LEEE777 - 6/22/2009, 10:50 PM
	First off Bale CANT say anything about whats happening with the next movie. thats not his job. its either the studio's job or the director's job. If they are contracted to do a third you can bet their bank accounts it will happen. Everyone who isnt chilled out please do so and take a cold shower. This will happen. the only real thing missing is who will do the villians. Depp as the Riddler, Jolie as the Catwoman, and Seymour Hoffman as the Penguin would send the third movie out with a bang. That said if it was just with the joker I could live with that. Besides Id rather have Jolie do Wonder Woman and have the WW movie a cross between 3 movies: Gladiator, Troy, and 300. Forget the she became an anerican iconic woman. Go origins and have it be dark with a boat load of violence. If nothing else the leso community will watch but you can bet your ass of they do it my way everyone will watch it. brianj22 - 6/23/2009, 12:49 AM
	In my thoughts which im sure no one is gonna agree with is that Bale was a terrible Bruce Wayne.....his portrael of wayne and batman was exactly the same...especialy with the bloody lisp....how no one figured it out i dont know...at least Keaton made his wayne side a little more playful and a twinkle in the eye, whilst his batman was brooding. Bale had one exprestion the intire movie Let the yo-yo dieter go.....but unfortunatly like LEEE said he will be back teabag - 6/23/2009, 12:53 AM
	Totally agree with teabag. Keaton is my Batman lol. SlaughterHouse - 6/23/2009, 3:28 AM
	i wish he would stop tryin to be serious all the time and just say something like "hmm i think it would be interesting if we took the character in this direction or have him fight this guy" but nah we get the debbie downer bale. Hes just being the typical bale where he doesnt give anything away ALmighty1080 - 6/23/2009, 3:32 AM
	I actually never liked how Bale and Keaton portrayed Bruce Wayne I always felt that there was a deep emotional void in their portrayal of Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is a tortured soul who blames himself for the death of his parents. Legends of the Dark Knight was able to bring so much of those feelings to life in their stories you actually felt Bruce Wayne's guilt begining to consume him even as Batman. His judgement would begin to cloud and drive him nuts with all kinds of flashbacks it was brilliant. I have always been very pleased at how Alfred was portrayed whether it be Michael Gough or Michale Caine. They both brought out Alfred Pennyworth in their own way but always Alfred is there to help and support Bruce and Bruce always has him in the Back of his mind as his concience because after all it was Alfred who raised Bruce Wayne or who finished rearing him. Michael Gough gave us much more of a traditional father figure who seemed to be loving and a little cold but very set in his way. The Michael Caine version is a mucho more modern father figure with very dry comedic style that makes him a much more accesible character. I hope that the studios learned their lesson with Batman and Robin, and Batman Forever and that they do not make the same mistake again. Batman Beyond is a cool concept. But you have to ask yourself in a live action movie would it have the same impact as the cartoon did........will an audience accept an old rickity hard assed old Clint Eastwood like Batman and some highschool teen ager running around in a modern Batman suit? I honestly think not. Yes it would be cool to see but it probably wouldnt make any money. The next batman needs another Deadly Enemy for the Batman someone who will hurt him......Bad. Some one that the Batman will have to figure out and defeat. I would like to see Deadshot and Bane hired by two face to hunt down the DarkKnight....You can pretty much figure out the rest for yourselves.. Hellmont - 6/23/2009, 3:51 AM
	Here's what i think of batman beyond.... teabag - 6/23/2009, 4:13 AM
	Bale is right, Nolan has an established universe justlike Singer had with X-Men. I dont see whats wrong with what he said, if you remember Arnie was skeptic about T3 without James Cameron and lo and behold what a fustercluck that turned out to be. You switch directors then you end up with Bat-titties and muscle suits breakUbatman - 6/23/2009, 4:35 AM
	Nolan created the best comic book inspired movie not the best comic book movie. teabag - 6/23/2009, 5:23 AM
	Teabag- I couldn't agree more with everything you've said. Bale's Bruce Wayne isn't good at all. Bruce is a tortured soul BEHIND CLOSED DOORS but not in the public eye. Keaton had something Bale could never achieve even if his very life depended on it... CHARM!!! Keaton was the only BatBruce to ever portray the characters multiple aspects of his personality. The dark avenger while he dons the cowl, the tortured soul while he looses himself in his past and the charming playboy everybody is supposed to fall for even despite themselves. Bale... he's just a decent Batman. I'd love for Bale to come back with Nolan for a third and final film but i'd prefer for WB to find a new team to bring us the DCU we've been waiting for for so long. And IMO, the only actor to have already shown us all the aspects needed to bring us another Keaton oriented Batman is Adrian Pasdar. Shaman - 6/23/2009, 6:58 AM
	Glad you agree shaman...i hate the way people dismiss burtons batman because of Nolan...at least burtons had a truer feel like the comic book and wasn't afraid to have a slight fantasy angle....but Shaman im sorry in many ways i see your point about Adrian Pasdar but i cant get away from that loaf shaped head teabag - 6/23/2009, 7:14 AM
	I say Screw Bale, because it is obvious that little prissy bitch only cares about getting his way and not pleasing the people putting money in his pocket. I know Shaman likes Pasadar for the role but I have another thought. Stephen Moyer from True Blood. He has the dark brooding creature of the night thing down and he can easily pull of charming playboy billionaire too plus he has the Batman voice which falls nicely between gravel throat Bale and Kevin Conroy. RacerX - 6/23/2009, 7:22 AM
	He scares me....im not gonna be able to sleep now damit ;( looks like a perfect fit for Hawkman tho teabag - 6/23/2009, 7:24 AM
	Wow this title was misleading, he never stated his disinterest for a third Batman, and he only said "I don't even want to think about it" in relation of working with a different director. Nice selective hearing. This article is retarded. Stumblin - 6/23/2009, 7:29 AM
	All I can say is Prizes the Lord Batman has become such a joker its not even funny maybe they can foucs more on The TV show and less on these stuipd movies Supermike - 6/23/2009, 7:40 AM
	Stoopid Gravel voice anyways ! IT WAS THE SCRIPT MORON that made that movie ! Sonny - 6/23/2009, 7:47 AM
	TDKR11 you are correct. Keaton was signed also for a third movie, he even tried the suit for Batman Forever.. but then Burton was off and he managed to decline.. it is possible. SirJediFrank - 6/23/2009, 8:33 AM
	Racer x- I like him, he's a younger choice than Pasdar but he would fit nicely. Teabag does have a point however, he'd make a kick ass Hawkeye :)) Teabag- Well, i guess his loaf shaped head has to do with his hair cut or something... maybe it could be fixed LOL :P Shaman - 6/23/2009, 8:45 AM
	Supermike - say nothing! ; D RacerX - You've got somethin' there fella! An you are right about BALE if he's gonna pull out! He should be grateful he was offered this iconic part in the first place, i personally think he's scared too, just like NOLAN of the third movie lol! LEEE777 - 6/23/2009, 10:04 AM
	NOLan knows it was a fluke the whole thing...his films are generaly medeocre. Bale cant get up in the morning without being negative, "My [frick]ing god another [frick]ing day of [frick]ing spending lots of [frick]ing money i earned from that [frick]ing birdman film" teabag - 6/23/2009, 10:18 AM
	I gotta say. I agree with Bale. Without Nolan, there wouldnt be much of a point. I also agree with Billyblack. There is no reason to fret right now. Jib7z - 6/23/2009, 10:18 AM
	InstigatorGIRL - 6/23/2009, 10:40 AM
	I agree with Teabag and InstigatorGIRL. Shaman - 6/23/2009, 10:43 AM
	"Birdman Film" That was damn hilarious! RacerX - 6/23/2009, 10:56 AM
	This story is designed to throw people off the scent..... Something's leaking. Check out post #42: http://www.enworld.org/forum/media-lounge/256868-batman-3-possible-spoilers-3.html IronTotem - 6/23/2009, 12:53 PM
	Ok so i dont blame punk ass Bale for wanting to 'Bale'on the BATman 3 project....he was totally overshadowed by heathledger who went on to win an oscar...no one even thought his performance was all that and after that tirade on the set of terminator salvation i dont even like him as a person so there....he is acting like the Batman franchise begins and ends with him....he can Fk off for all i care... Neo24real** - 6/23/2009, 1:17 PM
	If you have time to lose, in that case feel free to check out IronTotem's link. Otherwise, it's not worth it. Simply an assumption from a suposedly reliable source. Neo24real- He really isn't all that great of a batman to begin with. He's decent but sure as hell not irreplaceble. I think it would be best to end it there and WB can start up a new "more DCU friendly" franchise. Shaman - 6/23/2009, 1:41 PM
	hey teabag is that a real pic of bale in metal gear that would be crazy...im pretty sure we wouldve heard somethin about that though i might just be gullible hahah but i dont know why everyone is baggin on bale he is an amazin actor even though he flipped out one time on a set and everyone thinks hes a big dick but he just had a tantrum maybe he was just trippin cause of his steroids lol i think that if theyre gonna do a different director they might as well not make another one and move on start a new franchise(the flash anyone) i mean theyre just repeatin the cycle if they go with a different director SabretoothTiger - 6/23/2009, 1:42 PM
	@shaman sorry just finished typin and saw you already said somethin about startin anew SabretoothTiger - 6/23/2009, 1:43 PM
	He was crying when he wasn't getting enough screen time on Terminator too. What can we say? The guy's a dick. BmanHall - 6/23/2009, 2:01 PM
	listen, christian bale is a great batman and actor, but the guy is a jackass in real life darksider - 6/23/2009, 2:11 PM
	What actor doesn't cry when they don't get enough screen time or the right amount of money is every actor a dick SabretoothTiger - 6/23/2009, 2:36 PM
	Every actor thinking to highly of himself to a point where he agrees to sign for a role and then bitches he doesn't have what he wants is a dick. He could've easily said no after reading the [frick]ing script. The guy's a [frick]ing cock, period. He does a decent Batman but not unforgetable. Shaman - 6/23/2009, 2:43 PM
	what more can you say!! teabag - 6/23/2009, 3:13 PM
	I agree with everyone who thinks mr Bale can go FK himself seriously....word on the street is he messed up terminator salvation apparently he was supposed to play sam worthington's role in the movie or something and his cry baby ass fought to play john conners....so they had to rewrite the whole damn thing....i know yall heard about that ish...someone said something about leaving the batman franchise alone if a good script cant be found i support....move on to other notable DC characters..like flash and maybe wonder woman... Neo24real** - 6/23/2009, 4:14 PM
	I honestly think most of you are a bunch of douches... y'all are never satisfied until you get your way and then when you do get your way you find something else to bitch about. Nolan is very likely to do another Batman AS IS Bale. It's probably because the millisecond that Dark Knight got out the IMMEDIATE and continuing question has been "When's the next one coming out? Who's in it? Give me more! Now! Now! Now!" give the guy a [frick]ing break! It's all this pestering that would drive me to say... "[frick] you fanboys!" God forbid the guy do ANYTHING else with his time but make Batman movies... I personally am a fan of Bale, but if he doesn't want to do another one or Nolan passes on the reigns, I wouldn't be sad to see him go. I'd rather he be replaced by someone who really wants to do the part and isn't obligated which will, in turn, produce an "I don't give a shit" performance(feel free to blast his performance in TDK because I know you will). My example being Blade. I thought the first two were awesome. Snipes was obligated to do a third and he didn't want to, equaling a piece of shit performance with a piece of shit movie. So for the love of God... take a step back and STOP BITCHING! You guys are so quick to shit on whatever anybody else does that you think isn't in your best interest. Pockets Pockets713 - 6/24/2009, 2:46 AM
	It would really be a shame if Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan didn't return for the third film. They have become the dynamic duo to this franchise. I grew up reading Batman and know the character and his world very well. The films that these two have done so far really honor the series. There is no one better suited to these movies than these two. Granted that next time they both need to tone down the voice a bit. Other then that though these guys are perfect for Batman. I think they should at least finish it off in a trilogy. Especially with the way they ended The Dark Knight. The series needs these guys to come back just one more time. I really hope they both decide to. As far as all this Bale bashing goes, this is really getting old. Everyone loves to judge successful people. No one was talking this much sht on him until this rant crap came out. It's amazing how long people can talk about someone they don't know yelling at someone else they don't know. None of you were there and none of you know him. People don’t seem to understand the intensity and dedication that goes into method acting. Actors are people who pretend to be someone where as method actors actually become someone. It requires a great deal of endurance and strength to keep that persona up. For someone to knock you out of it would be like if someone blasted a boom box with the volume all the way up beside your ear as you sleep. Until you have worked on a set and with actors no one is in a place to judge. I’ve seen things like this happen on sets before. It’s much more common then anyone realizes. Take the stress load that you feel at a typical job and triple that. The hours are incredibly long and the work is grueling. People snap on sets all the time. On sets though you get so used to it that as soon as someone is done yelling at you you move on. Especially if they stop long enough to realize that they were out of line and apologize. Someone snapped at me on a set one day for something that was pretty trivial. The person realized they were out of line apologized and I forgot it. That’s life on a set. Bale did apologize to Hurlburt and they continued working that day. It was dropped. I know people who have worked on set with Christian Bale in the past. They have described him as dedicated and intense, but also polite and patient. That he was a gentleman to them and their departments. There is another side to that on set rant that I’m not at liberty to discuss. The recording is taken out of context. It never lets you listen to what happened before the rant began and what happened after it ended. My big question is, why should any of you care? If the guy delivers and does his job then that’s all that should matter to you. He certainly is a damn great talent. Christian Bale has earned critical acclaim and praise from filmmakers, critics, and fans alike. His eerily comedic role in American Psycho made him recognized as an amazing talent. His incredible physical transformation to play the troubled insomniac in The Machinist solidified him as one of the best actors of his generation. He has again and again proved himself in films like Rescue Dawn, 310 To Yuma, The Prestige, Laurel Canyon, Harsh Times, I’m Not There, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight. Even as a child in Steven Spielberg’s Empire Of The Sun he earned praise from critics. He transforms himself psychologically and physically. He starts every job out as a block of marble and carves himself into the character. He is an artist. Every single film that he has done he has brought a 100%. People just like to judge. Also for those blaming him for T4, you guys really don't know what you're talking about. It's the writers job to write a dimensional hero with vulnerability for the audience to connect with. It's the directors job to guide the actors in a place best for the film. Bale was failed to some degree by both the writers and the director. He did the best he could with what little he was given. filmguy* - 6/24/2009, 3:11 AM
	Well Filmguy and Pockets im not jumping on Bale cus i never thought TDK was that great to begin with...good film but not the Batman comic i love....If you beleive that Bale's performance was so great thats your opinion and god bless ya for that. Yes im a fanboy and that means i can see Bale made a one dimensional character out of Batman/Wayne.....the best thing with the nolan films are the seasoned actors...Cane,Freeman and Oldman, Bale or nolan are not needed as long as these guys and the script are good. teabag - 6/24/2009, 3:22 AM
	teabag I wasn't commenting on what ever comment you made specifically. To be honest I haven't even read your comment. I was referring to everyone that I've seen complain. However, it blew my mind when you said that Bale created a one dimensional Batman when he did the exact opposite. He is by far the most dimensional Batman to date cinematically. I have been a life long fan of the character and have entire book cases filled with the best Batman comics and graphic novels. Bale and Nolan have done a true justice to the essence of the character. If anything, the thing that Nolan got the most wrong is Two Face who was meant to be one of Batman's greatest enemies. Anyone who knew Two Face from the comics can tell you that the film didn't do very good justice to the character. Still Aaron Eckhart was well casted and the effects looked great. Nolan has been a genius to the series. I'm not sure which Batman comics you read because this is the Batman I grew up reading. This IS the Batman from the comics. Especially from Frank Miller's graphic novels. I mean half of Batman Begins was devoted to explaining the psychological motivation for Bruce Wayne. The films was just as much of a character study as it was a comic book film. There is no way they could have made him more dimensional. Unless they wanted to do the Batman from one of the darker graphic novels like Arkham Asylum. That certainly wouldn't have worked as a big studio film though. Otherwise, the Batman in the Chris Nolan films is the Batman from the comics. filmguy - 6/24/2009, 4:26 AM
	Filmguy i never said you were commenting on my posts but what the hell...nolan's TDK could have differant character names and it would still work cus its not got the charm of the comics....and Bale's Wayne and Batman was essentialy the same character...as i said befor at least Keaton gave Wayne a certain charm and twinkle in the eye compared to his brooding batman.The batman in the comics had a duel identity as in the way he portrayed himself as wayne was a playboy....Bale just walks around with a couple of ladies and you call that dimensions. Heath had the phycotic take and the twisted logic but none of the looney that Nicholsan portrayed so in sense mould the two patrayals and then you have the Joker....as in the joker from the comics....im rambling but what i mean is the comics gave a sense of mystery and adventure......something nearly caught in Begins but lacking in TDK teabag - 6/24/2009, 5:40 AM
	I think you need to go back and read some of the comics because Nolan's films capture them extremely well and have been praised for doing so from fans and critics alike. Nolan's films are considered the quintessential Batman. His films went passed just being a simple comic book movie and touched upon philosophy, mythology, and psychology. There have articles written by scholars, philosophers, critics, and even psychologists analyzing the layers that Nolan has added to Batman. Nolan treated the films the same as he would for a drama. He explored the inner workings and development of Wayne's mind. His trials and tribulations of overcoming his fears and weaknesses. His struggle to condition is body and mind. Nothing in Burton's Batman went as deep into the characters psyche as Bale and Nolan did. Also his dual identity was very clearly defined in Nolan's films. More so than in Burton's version because Nolan actually showed us the origins of the need for the different personas. They are much more clearly defined. The whole point of the play boy persona is to avoid any suspicion of being a Batman suspect. Acting like a drunken fool who spends his nights throwing money around with women certainly is not the typical behavior of a vigilante. Keaton's Bruce Wayne was dark and mysterious. He acted socially awkward and was very private. He wasn't much different than his Batman persona minus the voice. Keaton's Bruce Wayne kind of stood out as an odd guy. Someone who the authorities might consider as a candidate for Batman. I'm not sure how you think the duality is better expressed in the Burton films because the difference of personas is not very pronounced. I think most would agree with me that Heath captured the looniness of the character very well. Like you said everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I think you're in the minority. filmguy - 6/24/2009, 6:42 AM
	I understand if Bale wants to only do this with Nolan but he really came off sounding like an a$$hole in this interview is he always like that or is he just an a$$hole. Osiris - 6/24/2009, 7:31 AM
	Yeah i kinda have to go with filmguy on that one. Im not sure which Batman comics some of you are reading, but its not the good ones! Im only kiddin, each to their own but the best Bat stories i have read have come from the pen of Miller, Moore and Loeb. Nolan and Bale brought their Bats to life brilliantly. And im not sure what you mean about Bales Wayne not being the charming, sousey playboy. There are more scenes in Begins and TDK of him acting like that than in either of Burtons movies! Keatons Wayne was just as much of a nutjob as Batman..in private and public! He was also a foot too short and ..well, a bit ugly! I liked Keaton but having watched Burtons movies recently there is really no comparison for me. Rorschach01 - 6/24/2009, 8:06 AM
	Wellguys if you read some of the posts you will see im not alone on this...there is 50 years worth of batman comics with many interpretations so im not sure i understand your point for me to go back and read some, which ones have no fantasy element or have little action like Nolan,but i sudjest you do the same if you think Heath's batman was insane enough....and just because someone has written a paper on the philosophy of TDK doesnt mean i cant watch it as a peice of entertainment its meant to be....im not saying your right or wrong but as ive said before each to there own teabag - 6/24/2009, 8:38 AM
	Filmguy- As for Bale, i've always said that i'd like him to return with Nolan for the third film. But he is replaceable. In fact, i'd like it to be all or nothing. Either both come back or both leave! I also don't want a Blade Trinity on our hands. And the last hing i want is for Goyer to direct his own writing AGAIN. Christ it almost happened to Magneto. And as for his personality, i judge him by the way he expresses himself in EVERY interview, not by the Terminator set incident. He was a cock regardless of what excuse you pull out for having gone through what appeared to be 5 straight minutes of verbal assault which translate to psychological abuse but that is not what makes him a cock today. Everyone has their moments and shouldn't be condemned for one single event. No, Bale is a cock for the personality he constantly displays in every single interview. It doesn't take anything away from his talent but it sure as hell can't be ignored. As for Bale's performances as Bruce, they are enjoyable at best but they are nowhere near Keaton's masterpieces. I think your blind respect for the individual clouds your judgement. There are no dimentions to his Bruce Wayne. It's not because Nolan has explored Bruce's life in a more detailed and phylosophical manner in regards to his motivation and upbringing, that Bale showcased accurately Bruce's different dimentions. Bale's Bruce is an obvious fake while in public, a dull human being at home and a Batman that always seems to "try". He tries to instill fear in criminals by hiding in the shadows and forceably lowering his voice which makes him appear non threatening at all. The whole point of Batman is to appear to be this souless beast without pitty or remorse to instill fear in the criminal to a point where he could be in your face and you'd shit your pants! Bale needed "the unknown", the shadows and blurry fast paced scenes to appear frightfull which faded away when he actually spoke. That's not the Batman i read about in the comics or the Batman portrayed in his brilliant animated seires. And it doesn't matter what "FILM critics" say or what "Psychologists" analyse, none of them are fans of the character i grew up with. They are merely fans of Nolan's work period. IMO, they aren't credible influences. At the end of the day, all that analysing doesn't change the fact that Bale's performance is bland and Keaton's was brilliant. Yes Keaton's Bruce appeared to be an odd ball to the mild mannered citizen because of his excentricly rich life but he never EVER appeared to be a pompous ass as he should never be portrayed! Weither by choice or to throw off any arroused suspitions, Bruce would never have became a man that his parents would despise. Bruce has always been concidered a rich odd ball because he lost his parents early and has an outstanding amount of money. But he has always been this charismatic being that the moment you met him, your preconcieved notions of his person would melt away and leave you speechless in front of this loveable character you never thought existed. He also appeared odd because he never could fit in with the rich croud and always standed out in normal society. THAT is the only reason why he's a loner, because people are always afraid of what they don't understand and reject Bruce for not fitting in ANYWHERE. Then there is the man behind closed doors who is massively obsessed with not only the death of his parents but the prevention of it ever happening again. He constantly recalls not only the event of his loss but the persons he lost. He is always preoccupied by his parents values and the idea of the man they would have wanted him to be but is torn by the man he has to be in order to prevent more losses. Deep down, his inner child cries out for acceptance from his parents in telling him that he's doing the right thing which he will never get and that fact is haunting him every day. These are all different dimentions that Bale never did portray but Keaton did beautifully. SO i'm not saying Bale can't, i'm saying in all honesty that he didn't. As for Keaton's Batman, just the look he gave off was more frightfull IMO but some would disagree probably because they kept in mind the oddball whose actually under the cowl. His voice was naturally lowered but not forceably. His presence was magestic yet dark and souless which instilled fear without effort or effects. I know it all comes down to preferances but IMO, saying that Bale's Bruce is multi dimentionnal on account of Nolan and Goyer's depiction of the charcter's past life is flat out telling yourself fairy tales. Actually comparing both perfromances while totally ignoring the scripts or their past resumes, there is no contest, Keaton's was the most versatile and multi-dimentionnal and IMO, the most accurate to what i was accustomed to. And as for the Joker debacle, Heath was the quirky psycho while Jack was an evil clown. I prefered Jack's version always trying to put on a show than Heath's version of a messenger of chaos. Heath's appeared to want to get a point accross to society where Jack's appeared to explore the humourous side of evil regardless of bystanders. The perfect Joker IMO would be to put the two together. Jack's portrayal of the character's personality mixed with the philosiphical actions of Heath's. I think Heath brought an evolution to the character which i find brilliant. But deep down, i don't see any Harley falling for such a psycho. She always did seem to fall for Joker's funny side which Jack nailled to perfection. So i thouroughly loved Heath's portrayal as it was fresh and thoughtful but Jack will always be my favorite. Shaman - 6/24/2009, 10:01 AM
	What he said teabag - 6/24/2009, 10:05 AM
	@Shaman@ I agree Keaton was the best so far to play Bruce and the Bat. Osiris - 6/24/2009, 10:15 AM
	Teabag- It appears you fit in me perfectly. You... complete... me!!! snif tear Osiris- There's always room for more LOL :P I'm such a whore it's not funny :P Roar- We've talked about this so many times before and i respect you're opinion. It really does come down to preference. Teabag is right in saying that Batman as well as Joker was portrayed so differently in so many comics. It really depends on which ones we enjoyed the most and related to the most. It is also why i really enjoyed "Ashes to Ashes" where as alot didn't. But i think it's safe to say that it would be awesome for the dynamic duo to come back for a third and final act!!! Shaman - 6/24/2009, 10:18 AM
	Keaton sucked so did Jack Nick as the silly goofy Joker. The only way Keaton can possibly be seen as a playboy is because of the money. Like someone posted earlier he's a foot too short and ugly... anyway he's beetlejuice now that fits him. Keaton a ninja? yea right he probally couldnt punch his way out of a wet paperbag. This site is just one more great thing about AMERICA the freedom of speech. we're all able to agree to disagree not saying other countries dont have that same right. BLADE4040 - 6/24/2009, 11:46 AM
	Thank god BLADE cus im British and if i didnt have that freedom id be [frick]ed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....but to quote "keaton is a foot too short and ugly" ...you charmer you, and " he's beetlejuice now"...im pretty sure he's been beetlejuice for 20 odd years...at least 2 yrs before he played the height challanged batman God bless AMERICA teabag - 6/24/2009, 11:51 AM
	Opinions and freedom of speech doesn't buy you credibility. And opening up by saying that Jack Nicholson sucked isn't winning you any points. You can say you prefered Heath's Joker but saying that the outstanding performance Jack gave us as Joker actually sucked without any explanation what so ever is... well... retarded. We're not talking about Ben Afflec or Timothy Olyphant here, we're talking about a massively acheived and referenced actor who gave us one of the best performances of his life. And if you guys didn't know, Jack is as much a cock as Bale is but you see, i still respect his work as i do Bales. I just prefer Keaton's Batman for obvious reasons to which i actually took the time to explain instead of just saying "Bale sucks" in the same retarded manner as Matt Damon's puppet yelled out his name in Team America. There's more to Batman/Bruce Wayne's character than looks, height or the ability to fight your way out of a wet paper bag. It requires acting which Keaton did more brilliantly than Bale. Shaman - 6/24/2009, 12:59 PM
	IIRC, Christian Bale signed a contract to star in all 3 movies. Whether he wants to bail or not, he's contractually obligated to star in a third movie. tybae - 6/24/2009, 1:19 PM
	So did Keaton, there is a way out. Shaman - 6/24/2009, 2:11 PM
	even though he's contracted for a third movie doesn't mean they are going to force him to do one. lol. he just has to pay the studio a fine and opt out. so if he really, really, doesn't want to do one then he won't. you're not going to see WB guys handcuffing a screaming Bale while they start to forcedress him into a Batman suit. Keven - 6/24/2009, 3:14 PM
	Shaman, you can't say someone is a cock based off of interviews. It says nothing about who he is in his private life. The man has said time and time again how uncomfortable he is during interviews. He is extremely private and only wants his work to be in the spotlight. It certainly isn't blind respect. I grew up with Keaton and didn't think anyone could top him. I didn't even know who Christian Bale was when he first played Batman. It was after that film that I started to check out his other work. So you can't say that it was my blind respect that made me prefer him. It was through his performance and portrayal of that character that I ended up preferring him. Along with many other people. It sounds more like your blind respect for Keaton is what might be the issue here. Look, Keaton did a great job. He really did for the time. However, He doesn't exactly leap right from the pages of the comics. Bale's Batman does. Keaton's Batman was hardly even the main character in Burton's films. Burton always focused more on the villains than the heroes. We never really got to know what dimensions Keaton's Batman may have had. Obviously we have the foundation of his parents death motivating his actions. We have the twist the the Joker killed them. We have him showing himself to be slightly socially awkward and private. That doesn't add to even half of the character moments we had with Bale's Batman or his depth. We really got to know Bale's Batman to the core. What he fears, what he wants, what he needs, and so on. The script for Batman Begins was specifically designed to explore the psychological identity of Bruce Wayne. It's not like the only people to praise Bale's Batman are people who aren't fans of the character. Many of the respectable sources are self described Batman fanatics. Just because you have made it to place where you can publicly critique a film and it's depth doesn't mean that can't also be a comic book geek. The film even has praise from people from with in the comic book industry. I only list this praise because it shows that obviously Nolan's Batman has garnered a great deal of respect and admiration. It has been noted by some as being one of the best films of the years of their release and the best comic book films of all time. You don't get that kind of praise unless you're doing something very right. Again each to their own. I have counter arguments to every point that you made and most of them are simply reversing what you're saying. Pretty much everything you listed that you think made Keaton superior are the very reasons why I think Bale is superior. The only negative thing that I will admit about Bale's portrayal is the voice was too much in TDK. That I certainly can't argue against. That's something that Nolan should have realized and had Bale tone down a bit. Otherwise though, Christian Bale is the better Batman. I certainly don't want to give the impression that I thought Keaton did a bad job. Like I said, he was my childhood Batman. He was the first real face I had to put the character. I loved the first Batman film. I watched it repeatedly as a child. I grew up a huge fan of Batman both from those films and the comics. However, after seeing the complexities and depth that Nolan and Bale brought to the character, I had to admit that the Burton films had been out done. No one can really win this argument because people have their minds made up and opinions are hard to change. filmguy - 6/24/2009, 6:12 PM
	I think it's kind of dumb to try to say that Nicholson or Keaton sucked. Those two were perfectly cast for the TIME the movie came out. It was the 80's... Keaton was great as his is in just about everything (multiplicity=comic genius). Nicholson was great in that roll for that movie. To clarify for my previous statement, I'm not saying that Bale is the best possible choice for Batman. And yes his portrayal was a tinge bland... and his batman voice was indeed a little outrageous. But i'm going to stand by my statement that you guys ripping on the guy because he doesn't know a damn thing about the next batman movie because NOTHING is set for it what so ever is just ridiculous. He very well may be a dick in person. NONE of us know this because none of us know him personally... just sayin... Pockets713 - 6/24/2009, 11:22 PM
	Look, everything that Bale does, adds up. It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable in interviews since MOST actors are. It has to do with showing a little enthusiasm, maybe cracking a smile or just basically being down right pleasant. Every time we see him he ALWAYS comes off as being rude or antisocial or grumpy. He always has that look on his face as if he were saying "Who are you to ask me this" or "i got bigger fish to fry then to answer your questions but my publicist forces me to be here". I mean, sure he could be this easy going friendly guy when he's in his lawn chair with a cold one in hand but that's not what we see. We see what he wants us to see, what he chooses to be portrayed as. It's his own damn fault for acting like a cock in the public eye and shouldn't be excused on account of method acting. Do you guys know of anyone who really has a bad opinion of George Clooney as a person??? No, why? Cause he doesn't give off that detestable vibe that Bale does on a regular basis. Behind closed doors, Clooney might be a wife beater or a racist or whatever you want really, bottom line is, in the public eye, he's a charming individual that is down to earth and quite pleasant. How hard is that really? People like Bale, Bacon, Nicholson etc. etc., are cocks wether they're brilliant actors or not. It's not about their private lives or talent in their proffession, it's all about the spotlight. And i won't argue about the screenwriter's or director's work on the development of the character cause Nolan wins this one hands down. What i will always argue about is Bale's bland performance. IMO, he didn't showcase Bruce's emotions or personality as palpably as Keaton did. It has nothing to do with Batman, cause i very much enjoy Bale's Batman. The issue is really with Bruce's person as he appears on screen. Bale succeeded in turning Bruce into someone i wouldn't hesitate for a second to kick in the balls where as Keaton's Bruce was portrayed in a more endearing way. Bruce's life that Nolan created was more intriguing and we could relate to it much more than we ever could with a Burton creation but i would have prefered if Bale had portrayed as much intensity and passion in his character's personality as Keaton did. We're supposed to see as much Bruce as Batman but Bale's Bruce was the only one that made me want to see more of Batman. Shaman - 6/25/2009, 9:37 AM
	So is every origin story a a design to explore the phycological identity.........or is it just an origin story?????????????????? teabag - 6/25/2009, 9:40 AM
	teabag: your a funny guy...Oh yea GOD bless Great Britian as well as the other nations countrymen that are on this website. BLADE4040 - 6/25/2009, 10:23 AM
	Shaman:Im not trying to win any points just stating my opinion. I did state why I didnt care for Jacks take on the Joker it was silly and goofy.Whereas Health's Joker had a bit of humor along with a little dark edgy homicial maniac lol. I agree acting is important, but with a character like Batman a part of what makes him Batman is the years of phyiscally and mentally challenging himself.Bale to me looks as if he got himself ready for that part.I thought his acting was good maybe the batman voice was over the top but other than that he's a GOOD Batman to me. Keaton just wasnt imposing enough in phyiscal stature to pull that off.Its like having Hulk with no muscle,an Atom WHO DOESNT SHRINK, or Powergirl with no t---s Im sure you see where Im going. Keaton was too small,looked too old,and as Wayne I couldnt picture him as some playboy/ninja Im sorry thats just my opinion. There's plenty of people Im sure who agree with what we're both saying about our take on who's the better Batman. BLADE4040 - 6/25/2009, 10:54 AM
	Yes, your points about Batman's half are very true, however Bruce's half isn't supposed to appear imposing at all. Or else he wouldn't need to dress up as a bat as much to scare his enemies. All he'd need is his ol' ninja outfit and voila! Bruce's side of the character has always been different than the Bat side. To a point where we could almost concider it a second personality entirely. Bale appears to be the same guy that acts tough in the bat suit but then acts like a snob in public. I don't feel that his performance was deep enough to represent the Bruce i've always known and loved. And you're also right in saying that this debate can pretty well be split 50/50. Which shows that Bale is a great Batman but i'll always side with Keaton being the best. As for Jack, he practically gave us the Joker right out of the pages of the books. Heath created his Joker which i also thoroughly enjoyed. Aside from the name, there were no similarities whatsoever between the two. Seeing as how those two characters are incredibly different, i can't say which was the best only that i prefered the classic take Jack had. Shaman - 6/25/2009, 2:05 PM
	Shaman, I agree with what you said about Bale. That's what I meant to say in my post. Many people are accusing Christian Bale, the person, as a dick when the interviews doesn't prove that. Sure it does show that Christian Bale, the public person, is not exactly the most pleasant fellow. People just need to recognize the difference. It sounds like you do so that's good. As I've said, I've also heard good things about Bale as a person from people that I've worked with from with in the industry. You are one of the more mature people I've debated with on these message boards. Most of these things break out into personal insults when people can't see eye to eye. So I respect your opinions and understand them. In the end it just comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer Sean Connery and some prefer Daniel Craig. Both actors have their own style and do a good job in portraying James Bond. It just comes down to personal tastes. Like I said I really liked Keaton as Batman. I grew up on his version. I personally felt that Bale brought more of the of the real Batman from the comics to the screen than Keaton did. Keaton just was too awkward and brooding as Wayne. The point is for Bruce to not raise any suspicion but with the with the way Keaton played him I think he would certainly be a suspect. Bale's public Bruce comes across egotistical, selfish, and irresponsible. All traits that vigilantes don't typically have. Bale also was good with playing up the comedy in these scenes. Then though he would switch to being darker, focused, and determined in private life. He mastered the different personas that Wayne displays. Keaton really only played the character as one note. He pretty much played Bruce Wayne and Batman as the same persona. Bruce is supposed to have mastered different personas but I don't feel Keatons version has. Each to their own though. Keaton is cool in my book and I was a fan of his work from back in those days. I just feel that Bale captures the characters essence from the comics more correctly. filmguy - 6/25/2009, 5:22 PM
	Shaman:Your right its really all according to what version of Batman/Joker we're referring too. Jack's take of the Joker was more in line with the 1960's light hearted T.V.series version which he nailed if thats what you like. Keaton's acting as the Bat was cool it was his stature as the BAT and his oddish Bruce Wayne that I didnt care for. Anyway both Keaton & Bale BATMAN's have been well recieved by the masses.... its just all according to what your looking for. BLADE4040 - 6/25/2009, 7:56 PM
	Well this debate was fun and yes, we can't ignore the fact that our personal tastes come into play here. It was very cool to have kept a mature stance on the subject and hopefully we'll all get what we want which is for them to bring us a third film as good as the last two :) Shaman - 6/26/2009, 9:31 AM
	Well at least we can all agree on one thing........... Val Kilmer was a F@cking Joke as Batman, I mean seriously what the hell were they thinking?!?!?! RacerX - 6/26/2009, 10:25 AM
	THIS GUYS AN ARROGANT PRICK N WE DONT NEED HIM. HES PROBABLYS PISSED CUZ LEDGER OUTSHINED HIM IN DK, HONESLTY THE JUICIER ROLES WERE ALWAYS THE BADDIES NO MATTER WHO PLAYS WHO.... THE VILLIANS R SUPPOSED TO OUTSHINE BATS. DONT TAKE MUCH NOT TO SMILE N TLK IN RASPY VOICE. KEATON WAS OUTSHINED BY BOTH NICHOLSON N DEVITO N TO ME HE WAS BY FAR THE BEST BATMAN BALE CAN BASICALLY SUCK A FORESKIN JERKY FUK EM 10THTIGER - 6/26/2009, 10:57 PM
	Shaman: Your words are true and the bottom line is we all want a good comicbook movie.... period. BLADE4040 - 6/27/2009, 12:28 AM
	I saw they should wait for the the script, because if they want the movie to be great than they will mostlikely have to wait...Nolan is amazing just give him some time. Aiiwolf - 6/27/2009, 2:59 PM
	i think its Batman 3 not interested in Bale... Bale has made a joke of himself, the last 3 crews he has worked will all have confirmed complaints and public notice of negative attitudes... This is unattractive in all senses of making a film with him. IronManisGOAT - 6/28/2009, 1:37 AM
	Batman 2 has not been out for a year yet. SHHH - 6/28/2009, 5:01 PM
	Amen BLADE4040 :) Shaman - 6/29/2009, 7:06 AM
	Yeah, I am a Bale fan, and I think he's a good actor but I dont think he brought anything to the Batman role. As long as Nolan directs it again, I think anyone can play Batman and do as good a job as Bale, or better, so there isn't really anything to lose. If they used Maggie Gylenhall to play Rachel instead of Katie Holmes in the second film, they can change Batman. Granted, Batman is much more of a major role than Rachel is, but he does such a mediocre job I really don't think it will make a difference. ------- Check out www.tf2cards.ca for digital collectible Transformers cards! Batman4ever - 6/30/2009, 11:10 AM
	Hey all, I'm new to this fansite but just thought I'd throw in my two cents: I completely agree with pretty much everything you've said filmguy. Keaton was my favourite Batman, until Bale's reprise of the role. I really think he brings depth to the dual character of Bruce/Bats, and I think both Bale and Nolan do an excellent job of showing the (beginnings of the) evolution of Batman (and some of the other characters, of course (just as an aside: Oldman as Gordon... stroke of casting genius or what?!)). I certainly hope they'll both be onboard for B3!! fingers crossed :) Tesla - 6/30/2009, 2:57 PM
	I personaly like Bale's Batman, he's a bit darker. Nolan brought some great stuff to the Batman movies. I think that they both went with the darker comics for these two films. Stories by Miller, Alan Moore and the great Jeph Loeb. If these two guys don't make the next movie, then I won't see it, and I love Batman. ComicFan101 - 7/11/2009, 9:18 AM
	He cant leave the only one who can leave the movie is Heath Ledger (hes dead) and if he does then what will happen to the film will they go on with it and chose a new BATMAN. I think that he was the best one and if he leaves i will be very sad but if he does i pray to god that they dont get someone like Nicolas Cage to do it it would be SHIT with a capital S AndreiDent - 7/12/2009, 5:11 AM
	I agree with what Vonstallin, Rorschach and Billy Black said at the top of this page...give Nolan time to find a niche in a new story line. If he rushes into something he's not comfortable or ready to do then it will be a disaster! He got it right in Begins and TDK, I'm sure if everyone stops nerdploding about this and give it time he will come up with something great for the next movie! RolandOfGilead - 7/12/2009, 7:10 PM
	Why would it be so hard to find a good story? Batman is one of the best written characters in the DC Universe and has a ton of great storylines. Why not base the third movie on Dark Victory (bring in Robin? That and many other stories would be perfect for a third film. AxlKomix - 7/20/2009, 12:36 PM
	Hold on, people. Everyone keeps blabbing about "Bale HAS to do a 3rd Batman because he is under contract" but none of you actually know the details of the contract. I'm pretty sure the contract doesnt say Bale is contractually obligated to play Batman for the REST OF HIS LIFE. Most contracts expire after 5 years. So once 5 years pass from the time Bale signed his TDK contract, he is free to go. I think I just read an article about Brandon Routh who was under contract to play Superman if a sequel is ever made, but his contract expires this year. MrFixit - 7/22/2009, 9:06 PM
	I am in no rush for a 3rd Batman. Nolan and the rest of the gang did a great job with Batman Begins and TDK. Maybe they should quit while they're ahead and leave on good terms. (before fans turn on them like they did Bryan Singer and Sam Raimi) It is VERY hard to make an entertaining story for 120 minutes. The fact that they were able to do it TWICE is a feat in itself. If they have a story that is just as good as TDK, they should make a 3rd, but I have a feeling they don't. I'd rather they just end this series with TDK and then after some time has passed, a new director and cast can take a pass at Batman. (a NEW batman series, not a trilogy) MrFixit - 7/22/2009, 9:10 PM
	Pitchin' an idea: Dark Knight Returns. Jump forward in time; do some flashbacks like Nolan likes to do; have Jared Padelacki (sp?) play Nightwing (my idea being an adaptation of Frank Miller's original work); have some younger unknown play Robin for the flashbacks; have Ron Pearlman play an older Bruce Wayne/Batman; maybe keep Bale on and split the role half/half; get an older actor to replace Ledger as an aged Joker; introduce other key characters like Catwoman, or Barbara Gordon. If things were done correctly, why wouldn't work? AxlKomix - 7/22/2009, 9:36 PM

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