Problems with Nolan's Batman

I don't want to insult the epic trilogy. How could i even do that? But there are some illogical things about the movie I'd like to bring up.

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By Ejoh - 12/31/2012
1. Crooks
Among the most central things in Batman's story is that he becomes Batman out of his parents 'death the revenge desire he gets makes him into a superhero but thats not what happens in Nolan's Batman, on the contrary, it is a villain who leads him to the path not his parents' death. Rahs Al Ghul makes him into Batman.
And the villains are generally very central in Nolan's Batman, the fact is that its basically the leaders of the films. (How is that for morale) He consciously makes the villains inspiring. Whaat the Joker says are things that Nolan wants to get out there. He is partly responsible for the script. It was not adapted for the Joker. Joker was adapted for the screenplay. Heath Ledger did not even look like the Joker, he did not get an Oscar because he was a good joker he got it because he did a good Heath Ledger role.
The film was not a Batman movie it was a Nolan movie. He was not trying to please fans of Dc Comics like Marvel did when they brought in comic relics Thor as Easter eggs he adapted the film to his own pleasure. And it is on his conscience that he inspired the crime by his films.

2. Spoiled.
Its the essence of a hero that he will do things others dont. And things others are not capable of using that with a bigger responsibility. so how is it that Bruce Wayne is a guy that must have help in everything. He gets help from everyone. Even the ones evil. Those who are not supposed to help him but crush him are actually being helpful to him. Those who should be extra difficult to hurt like his archenemy the Joker dont even want to kill him.

You cant climb a mountain and expect that a secret ninja organization will teach one to fight as a champion. One can not expect to put on a costume and suddenly people wont laugh at you but respect you and one can not expect to get help from others in just every single corner. For every problem, there is someone who tells Bruce what to do.
He wants to be a hero and just "happens" to find a shut down military project in his basement giving him just what he needs.

3rd Surreal.
One can not expect to put on makeup like a fucking clown and think that people will be scared and think its war-paint. You can not behave sociopathic or talk big and think you can dominate the police or get a lot of respect and attention, they could have just washed away the Jokers makeup with a water hose, put a guard outside the room or ignored him. The pressure of the police when you are sitting in a jail is enormous.
At the end of DKR Batman says like a spoiled idiot that makes it personal "do you think you are the only one who can learn the strenhgt to escape" (or something like that). Sure, if we also ignore the illogical having to learn a mental strength to make a jump, again Nolan fails to communicate with the audience one must instead get extra involved in his painting instead.
But please someone, if it had actually happened in some odd scenario (they told you it would seem realistic, so I am using that template)
So how is it that he just happens to end up right next to a doctor and another guy that once again HELPS him all the way and tells him everything. He's not a fucking superhero he is just a nerd getting what he wants, and the film does not even take itself seriously at the end he simply just does what the bad guy tells him to do and even copies the bad guy.
Of course its the is the bad guys you should emulate ....

4th Action? You think that after a boxing movie, it should at least be some kind of decent action in a movie based on a series where enormous fights occur. It is a basic, but it looks almost embarrassing sometimes when they fight, as if the whole thing is so damn rigged. So classic. First, the hero fails roughly against his opponent only to come back more determined and then miraculously better and winning. Now if Bane can beat back the mask on batman why even take a gun and shoot him and he should hear Catwoman's motorcycle coming. Everything is so rearranged and one of the most rigged things is that Batman does not a single fucking time deserves the fame he gets.
In the second film he meets the Joker two times and then you should act as if they have become arch-enemies. He puts on his mask and expect that people will not even laugh at him in it.
In the third film, its supposed to be assumed that he even received a reputation since the police says "your in for a show tonight son." When he he has barely shown anything anything, it comes as a surprise how notorious he is how much attention he gets and you will sit there and think in the saloon "Well that's an epic film so that lie might I aswell swallow?"
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Tainted87 - 12/31/2012, 3:10 PM
Oh my Christ.
Even I'm tired of complaining about Batman. Countless articles either praising or bashing the series. Some things are new, most things are VERY OLD.

Let me help you make it interesting... for as long as this article lasts, that is.

Nolan set something off that could TOPPLE the future of CBMs (Marvel included)... the central idea that ANYONE can be Batman.

And for Nolan's movies, sure, anyone could do what his interpretation did... provided they had a fortune to waste, of course.

But the big implications are there. Look at "Arrow". It's got some great action, which is the real reason anyone wants to watch it. Ollie RECRUITS his bodyguard, who dresses AND works as Green Arrow once to help give him an alibi. Not even half-way into the season and there's already someone dressing up like him.

There are special characteristics that make most superheroes WHO THEY ARE. Even myself, who is always so damn quick to compare x to y.... can understand that there are unique bits that no one else SHOULD replicate.

The Amazing Spider-man took notes... potentially the wrong ones. Peter is bitten by a super spider at OSCORP and is imbued with his powers. There are HUNDREDS of these spiders, by the way. What is to stop ANYONE at OSCORP from getting bitten? In addition, Peter steals the technology from OSCORP to make his web shooters. There could be one Spider-man for every day of the week!
Jollem - 12/31/2012, 3:47 PM
@Tainted87 - i think in webb's universe it's narrowed down to just peter as the only one able to become the spider-man. i believe there is something special about peter's dna, which is why the spider dna does not completely take over and turn him into a man-spider. so, there can only be one spider-man, unlike raimi's version(there were 34 spiders or so?) and how the comics go sometimes
bazinga85 - 12/31/2012, 4:09 PM
There have been some really shitty editorials lately, this being the latest. Do some research before writing something because a lot of the hogwash in this write-up doesn't even make sense.
TheCaptainIsRight - 12/31/2012, 6:17 PM
@tainted -

"Nolan set something off that could TOPPLE the future of CBMs (Marvel included)... the central idea that ANYONE can be Batman."

How can this topple Marvel or anything? I fail to see any sort of significance or good thing that could come out of it. Is there something in your point I'm missing? If anyone can do it, what makes the character's we're watching special? Seems to dial down the drama significantly.
Tainted87 - 12/31/2012, 6:34 PM
I'm confused by your confusion... I think.

I'm saying that if anyone can be Iron Man, then what's so special about Tony Stark? If anyone can be Batman, what's so special about Bruce Wayne?

I'm saying that it's a bad idea to try to explore the "anyone can be ____" mentality, because it's just a flawed concept that would go downhill very very fast.

The Dark Knight Rises took a character created just for the movie, whose name is Robin but has nothing to do with Dick, Jason, Tim, or Damien..... and gave him the mantle.

I say thee nay.
Supes17 - 12/31/2012, 6:51 PM
Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me,
cuz we need a little controversy
Cuz it feels so empty without Me
Supes17 - 12/31/2012, 6:52 PM

Same shit in every article. Ah well, carry on
TheCaptainIsRight - 12/31/2012, 7:14 PM
We're on the same page. By topple I thought you meant out compete, be better than, not the context you meant. You are right, it would dilute the whole genre and is a bad idea.

I still think Nolan's intention was to make Batman an inspiration, not a literal anyone can do it. People take rises far too seriously. It doesn't make much sense logically, but so what. Nolan seemed to have set out to make a fun movie, not as serious as TDK and not some cinematic masterpiece. Whether or not he has this skill set is another question, but I give him props for getting out of comfort zone.

I was going to write an editorial on it, but given the lambasting people are getting around here I'm not so sure it's worth it.
iuhgluiblbjjkhkjhkljh - 12/31/2012, 7:42 PM
Shut up. Nolanverse is done. Shut up.
TheFascinatingMan - 12/31/2012, 7:55 PM
Thank you @Levi for bashing "Avengers 12" That made my day
SAT - 12/31/2012, 8:10 PM
Oh seriously ppl, cant we except that not everyone agrees with your opinion on TDKR and move on?
I liked other movies this year more than TDKR, I said it...
Ppl cant always agree with you, you dont need to insult people, just explain your point like a rational human being and we'll be happy

... Maybe
SageMode - 12/31/2012, 11:38 PM
I can't wait till people let this trilogy die
Jollem - 1/1/2013, 12:13 AM
dick grayson was an orphan
jason todd was a hothead
tim drake figured out batman's secret identity on his own

you can't call him just one, so you call him robin

jjk2814 - 1/1/2013, 12:48 AM
I'm not one to discredit anyone's opinions or to suggest limiting any member of this site's ability to post, but...

The Dark Knight Trilogy happened. Its over. There has to be something better to write about...right???
CorndogBurglar - 1/1/2013, 5:23 AM
Um, it was still his parents death that put him on the path of being batman to begin with. Yes, Raz trained him, but Bruce never would have started infiltrating criminal organizations and learning how the criminal mind works if his parents didnt get murderes.

Remember, he was already trying to learn about criminals and fighting before he met al Ghul.
LoudNoises - 1/1/2013, 6:29 AM
I just wanted to chime in on one particular point about the line "anyone can be Batman". Now clearly not ANYONE can be Batman and I don't believe this is the point of the line. The idea is that the person behind the symbol isn't as important as the symbol itself. Therefore it doesn't matter who Batman happens to be just as long as the symbol continues to exist and inspire people.
GoILL - 1/1/2013, 4:39 PM
Goddamn these articles are so [frick]ing tired, please stop writing about these goddamn movies.
GoILL - 1/1/2013, 4:42 PM

That's what I got from that line also.

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