EDITORIAL: Why The Winter Soldier WON'T Become Captain America In The MCU

EDITORIAL: Why The Winter Soldier WON'T Become Captain America In The MCU

With the news of Sebastian Stan's nine picture deal with Marvel and Chris Evans' announcement that he will retire from acting after his Marvel contract expires, people have assumed Bucky will become Captain America. But, isn't that TOO obvious?

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By The Duck - 3/16/2014

It's obvious! Stan has a nine picture deal AND Chris Evans is "retiring" after his contract expires! That means Sebastian Stan's Winter Soldier A.K.A Bucky Barnes will take the mantle of Captain America, right? One thing Marvel Studios is GREAT at doing is making us, the fans, think we have it all figured out. We thought we figured out that Thanos HAD to be the villain in Avengers 2. We thought we figured out that Iron Man was gonna fly into space to meet the Guardians of the Galaxy at the end of Iron Man 3. We also thought we KNEW that Doctor Strange was gonna go up against Batman and Superman on May 6th, 2016 but it seems that is incorrect as well. My point is, is it really THAT obvious? Thanos in Avengers 2 was right? Here are some specific reasons why I think Bucky will NOT become Captain America in the MCU.



1) THIS ISN'T THE COMICS

If Iron Man 3 is an example of anything, Marvel Studios isn't directly pulling stories from the comics and putting them on the big screen. Yes, they are the characters in the comics and there are easter eggs thrown in for fans, but not everything in the comics translates well in movies. Watchmen, for example, did a great job making a near shot by shot movie based off the beloved graphic novel and for the most part, fans loved it. However, this didn't appeal to the modern moviegoer as much as it did the fans. Marvel has done an excellent job at making their characters more mainstream. I understand that this is a fantasy world, hell, I can accept Coulson coming back to life on TV with some crazy robot, alien thing or however he came back, but Coulson's resurrection wasn't a movie worthy story. Marvel could easily make Bucky into Cap, but how would the everyday moviegoer react to this? They would be confused because Marvel made Steve Rogers mainstream. Im not saying Rogers won't die in future movies, but people who aren't comic fans, who just watch the movies, KNOW that Steve Rogers is Captain America, just like they KNOW that Peter Parker is Spider-Man. There have been other alter-egos to these characters but the movie fans won't know that. Bucky becoming Captain America was a great story in the comics but I don't think it will translate well to the modern movie viewing audience.



2) STAN'S CONTRACT MEANS NOTHING

Again, people think they have it all figured out. Sebastian Stan has a 9 picture contract, that means he HAS to be in 9 movies, right? It really isn't that simple people. Stan's contract just means that IF Marvel wants his character back in future films, he is obligated by his contract to do those future films. But, by no standard does that mean that Sebastian Stan is DEFINITELY coming back as Winter Soldier/Bucky Barnes. He could, but he might not. Every actor that signs with Marvel Studios signs a contract like this because Robert Downey Jr.'s contract ran out and he had so much leverage on Marvel to get so much money because he IS Iron Man. Marvel won't make that mistake again. Hell, freaking Ty Simpkins, who played Harley in Iron Man 3, signed a 3 picture deal with Marvel. Will he come back? Maybe. If Marvel wants him to come back, he has to, but he isn't DEFINITELY coming back just because he has 2 more pictures on his deal. Basically, Sebastian Stan CAN return as Bucky but only if Marvel wants him to. NOTHING IS DEFINITE.



3) ONE SMALL QUOTE

If you don't think Marvel Studios knows what they are doing, then you are an idiot. One reason people are hating on The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is because they feel like they know TOO much about it, with all these clips and trailers. The only fact we have in believing that Bucky could become Captain America is Sebastian Stan saying, "Yes[...] I think I actually have nine." referring to his picture contract. Marvel knows what they are doing and we don't. We the fans, are great at speculating and deciphering every little bit of information that we see. Bucky COULD become Captain America but until we get some real information to support this claim, then I will believe it. One small quote makes us think we are so smart but the real smart people are the people at Marvel Studios.



Just remember people, don't get too hasty. Cap 2 hasn't even come out yet and we are already speculating Cap 3 and beyond. We all just have to wait and see. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

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SauronsBANE - 3/16/2014, 8:47 AM
Great article! Thumbs up from me.

Your first two points in particular are brilliant. You'd think people would know by now: just because something happened in the comics, doesn't even come close to guaranteeing that that's how it'll turn out in the movies. This can't be emphasized enough.

And I absolutely agree with your 2nd point. The only reason Stan got a longer contract than Evans is because Evans has MUCH more leverage over Marvel. He's a much more established actor with more powerful agents, and so Marvel was forced to strike a deal that was fair to both sides. Stan, on the other hand, doesn't even come close to having the same level of influence that Evans has. Thus, Marvel roped him in to signing on for 9 POTENTIAL films, just in case they need him. It's business. Business decision, plain and simple.

Of course, Bucky COULD eventually replace Rogers. Who knows. But it doesn't exactly seem likely. Whereas in the comics there was decades of history between Bucky and Steve...there's not nearly the same in the MCU. It'd be really off-putting if they kill of Steve and have Bucky replace him. It just wouldn't have the same impact, and it really wouldn't make as much sense. Just my two cents. Good stuff!
MercwithMouth - 3/16/2014, 8:52 AM
Damn fine article. Agreed on all points. You get a thumb.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 8:54 AM
Hey it would be cool to see Bucky again but as Cap? I just don't think so
MrSotoMan - 3/16/2014, 8:55 AM
First off, this isn't the comics idea, well guess what

The Winter Soldier, is a movie ripped right from the comics which they tried their best to make it strictly close to the source material as possible, there isn't any random change like Mandarin being Aldrich Killian, but right there shows it.

Also, anything is really possible, I mean why 9 for such a small character? Now that he is Winter Soldier, and Steve Rogers will be gone, I mean think about it? What other movie could Stan be in besides Captain America, and the fact that he isn't in Avengers 2, means that he is really at point being considered to be Captain America down the line, which in my opinion had a great story arc.

Not saying you're theories are incorrect but Marvel is pretty sporadic when it comes to story-telling to the point where you really don't know what they are going to think of next. Hell one week they could be setting up for a Planet Hulk movie, the next week, SCRAPPED. 9 films though is a lot, which means to me that they do most likely have an idea in the pipeline not to recast Steve Rogers once the contract is done, but to retire the character in some shape or form which leaves Bucky the next one to take up the mantle and have his 6 films contract complete with Captain America 4,5,6.
charlie2094 - 3/16/2014, 8:56 AM
Definitely agree with your points!

Don't think this means that "Bucky WON'T be Captain America", but it's definitely not a given, just there as a possibility. Don't see it happening, replacing a title character, but possible if handled right

Whilst signing an actor for multiple films probably means they have some sort of plan (why 9 instead of 3?) for the character, it's really more just Marvel covering themselves, more of a simple business decision, considering they have a shared universe. I imagine if Marvel knew back in 05/06 how big they'd get, sure Robert Downey Jr would've probably signed a 6-9 film contract too, hence how he now has a lot of leverage and can renegotiate
JoshWilding - 3/16/2014, 9:01 AM
Interesting points, but Marvel has three choices when Evans' contract ends. They offer him a huge amount of money to sign another deal, they recast as they did with Bruce Banner (which wouldn't be quite so easy after Evans starred in three solo movies and three Avengers ones) or they kill him off in an incredibly memorable and amazing way at the hands of Thanos and then give Stan a chance to play the character. If it works, they have another trilogy on their hands. If not, Cap can be put on the shelf for a while - similar to how Hulk hasn't had any solo movies - or they can bring Steve back with another actor. Personally, I definitely want to see BuckyCap, and there's no way Marvel won't be keeping an eye on the reaction Stan gets in this movie to see if it's feasible...
MrSotoMan - 3/16/2014, 9:02 AM
@JoshWilding- Which I am sure new fans of the MCU will find Winter Soldier's character to be awesome and most likely, the fan-favorite.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:03 AM
Stan is their fall back plan. 9 because why not? If people start to really like him then they will keep him. 9 is so they don't risk another RDJ incident
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:05 AM
@JoshWilding
Spot on!
MrSotoMan - 3/16/2014, 9:06 AM
I think Bucky will be Captain America, or at least that idea has been thought off, it has to have been I mean come on now that was a great story arc!
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:06 AM
@JoshWilding Thanks for the read and thoughts. Its not that i don't want Bucky as Cap. I just don't think Marvel will do it. But if Winter Soldier is HUGE and people really like him, then maybe they will but nobody should say, "YES BUCKY IS CAP NOW" because nothing is confirmed. We gotta wait and see
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:07 AM
@SotoJuiceMan It's a GREAT story but it might not work in Marvel's Avengers centered universe, ya know?
soforizo - 3/16/2014, 9:11 AM
"Why Bucky WON'T become Captain America in the MCU"... because it would suck!
BrockSamson33 - 3/16/2014, 9:11 AM
@MrSidTheSexyPervertedHeroSloth

They will just have another actor be Steve Rogers/Captain America. This isn't a role that only 1 person can play. It's just like James Bond. When one actor stops playing that role they get another one.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:12 AM
@soforizo haha, you never know
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:13 AM
@BrockSamson33 But do all the 23 James Bond movies take place in the same universe?
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:15 AM
@BrockSamson33
I hate that way of thinking. Just like the idea of recasting Tony Stark.
soforizo - 3/16/2014, 9:15 AM
"One reason people are hating on The Amazing Spider-Man 2 is because they feel like they know TOO much about it"

CORRECTION: People would be hating on it even if they didn't know "TOO much". It's just the nature of these *tards.
soforizo - 3/16/2014, 9:17 AM
@CrimsonDynamo99

I like the actor playing Winter Soldier, I've seen him in other material as well, but I wouldn't want him over Evans, that would immediately be crap for me.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:20 AM
@soforizo people really hate it because its Sony not Marvel and they think it will magically be different with Marvel but it won't
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:20 AM
@soforizo I agree
JoshWilding - 3/16/2014, 9:22 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I MUCH prefer Bucky as Captain America (in the comics at least...Evans has been great from day one, but based on what we're hearing about Stan in this movie, he could be just as good).

RedNTheHood - 3/16/2014, 9:23 AM
I like the article. Nice points, but it seems more like "Why It's Not Likely/Guaranteed That Bucky Will Become Captain America in the MCU"
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:24 AM
I have a question. What character isn't like James Bond? It's seems like nowadays anybody can get replaced.
TheRealistStarLord - 3/16/2014, 9:27 AM
I am feeling smart already after reading the article, CrimsonDynamo99. No sarcasm, you have good points, mayne!
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:27 AM
@soforizo
MrSotoMan - 3/16/2014, 9:29 AM
@CrimsonDynamo99- Why not though? I mean I think he fits if he was able to get his own movie. Let alone his name slapped right underneath Captain America.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:29 AM
@TheRealistStarLord Thanks dude
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:30 AM
@RedHood13 yea you are probs right looking back
marvel72 - 3/16/2014, 9:30 AM
i think it would be pretty f*ckin cool seeing bucky becoming cap,especially if it was handled the same way as brubaker did it in the comics.

but saying that who would they cast as the new captain america? why not do winter soldier trilogy?
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:30 AM
If you can just replace James Boned every single movie and get away with it. I see no problem in taking another character and have him take up a mantle.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:31 AM
@JoshWilding yea i like Bucky in the comics as Cap but will they do that in the movie after everybody has gotten to know Steve Rogers waaay more than Bucky? Maybe later down the road
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:33 AM
@AlexanderLykins Yea but the MCU hasn't been around as long as "James Boned"
soforizo - 3/16/2014, 9:33 AM
@CrimsonDynamo99

Evans for me is a perfect casting. Plenty of credit for Marvel on that one... but replacing him would make me mad as well.

It's really nothing against Sebastian Stan, who I do like. It's more of hating Chris Evans to be left off, just because it would likely be about money. So I hope the premise of your article is correct, and it doesn't come to that.
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:33 AM
Anybody going to answer my James Bond question? It's a legitimate question.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:33 AM
@marvel72 it would be cool but pretty hard to do because we haven't gotten a lot of development with bucky yet but that could change in Cap 2
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:35 AM
@soforizo I agree i really like Evans but if he doesn't want to return he doesn't have to because his contract is gonna run out
AlexanderLykins - 3/16/2014, 9:35 AM
@CrimsonDynamo99
Exactly! So recasting Steve Rogers would make no sense. Killing off Steve Rogers or having his mantle taken up by Bucky are the only two logical options in my opinion.
TheDuck - 3/16/2014, 9:39 AM
@AlexanderLykins They won't recast because its not like Norton who was in one movie then got recast
Evans has been around and been in the movie of all movies so they can kill him or have bucky come in but recast isn't an option
soforizo - 3/16/2014, 9:39 AM
@CrimsonDynamo99

If it's truly because he doesn't want* to return (*keyword), then while I still won't like it, it would be much more tolerable. At that point, as long as it isn't a money issue there would be little to be done but to accept it.
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