EDITORIAL: Defending The X-MEN Films And Fox In General

The X-Men films and Fox get a lot of flack on this site, everything from casting to deviation of source material. But is it really a valid argument? Do the Fox films deserve the amount of flack they get? Hit the jump to read BatmanHeisenberg’s article!

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By BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014


I’m going to say one or two things before I even delve into the article. READ THE ARTICLE BEFORE COMMENTING, ESPECIALLY TO TROLL. I have also not seen a few fox films, given the amount of people recommending me not to see them, or just haven’t found them yet. I have yet to see The Wolverine, DareDevil and Elektra. I probably will soon, but that doesn’t dismiss this article.

 

Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?
 

As I said in the teaser, Fox seems to get a lot of flack. Now, I’m not saying they are even close to perfect. I like three x-men films(X-men, X2, X-Men: First Class and I haven’t seen The Wolverine) and either haven’t seen or dislike everything else Fox has done CBM wise. I am going to say I am eagerly excited for the Fantastic Four. Despite a handful of fans, it seems the Fox films are hated by the comic book fan community. It seems to me that the biggest complaints is the constant deviations from the source material, casting and track record. Let diverge into the two most hated things they do:
 

Source Material:
 

I wrote an editorial on this very subject, so I will be brief. (You can check it out here: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BombAsBenAffleck/news/?a=95475)

Yes, it diverges heavily in EVERY film from the comics. But hasn’t every studio? Maybe Marvel Studios and Sony might do it less, sure. But why do the films need to follow the source material so much? If we were to have CBM’s that followed source material exactly as we would want them to, what is the point of the CBM’s? We already have the comic books, so why do we need a CBM to retread that? Now, that isn’t to say I don’t like CBM’s that follow source material
closely, but I do like reinterpretations, because it gives us something fresh, new.




DC, Marvel Studios and Sony have all taken deviations from the comics. To make a list of them would be to damn long. My point? Fox isn’t the only one guilty of deviating from the source material a lot.


Casting:


I guess I wrote on this to. Ha! I’ll diverge into this more, so I don’t have to retread. (Check it out HERE, if you want: http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fan_fic/news/?a=94618)


Hugh Jackman and the recent Fantastic Four cast seem to be the most hated when they were cast. The FF cast seems to be universally hated by CBM fans. Why this is is weird to me. The most hated choice is of course Michael B. Jordan. The reason why is usually because he is a black man playing a traditionally white character. I for one welcome the change. Most CBM roles are played by white guys. And I feel this minor change will not dictate the film in general and his relationship with his sister. Kate Mara hasn’t received a lot of flack, which is good, because she is, wait sorry, WAS amazing in House of Cards. People are saying they have to be adopted or some shit. Why can’t they be brother and sister still? There are plenty of siblings who have different skin colors but are full blooded. I will reiterate, it will very unlikely affect their relationship as a whole.




Another problem with the casting choices that people have are Miles Teller as Mr. Fantastic, mostly because he is younger than usually portrayed. Well, I’ll have you know they are adapting Ultimate Fantastic Four. So in that case, he is perfect for a young Mr. Fantastic. Now, you may not like that they are casting for a more Ultimate influenced film. Which is fine, but your beef isn’t with Teller, it’s with the writing. And the final choice people dislike is Jamie Bell. They feel he is little and can’t play the street tough former gangster. I think he can, and even if he isn’t, I think they might be doing something new and fresh.


Track Record:


I’ll admit, Fox doesn’t have the best track record. The previous FF films, Daredevil, Elektra, X-Men 3 and Origins: Wolverine. Like I said earlier, I haven’t seen The Wolverine YET, BUT, I have loved every other X-Men film to date.


 

So, yes, Fox doesn’t have the best track record. But does that mean they haven’t made quality CBM’s? I don’t think so.

Well, do you still hate Fox with a burning passion, or visa versa? Do you disagree or agree with me strongly? Sound off in the usual place, and watch the new kickass DoFP trailer!

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BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 12:40 PM
Hit that big red glove if you liked it.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 12:55 PM
Thanks for reading BlackJack!
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 12:55 PM
Though FC is my favorite X-men film to date.
GliderMan - 3/25/2014, 12:57 PM
Do I think Fox are good decision makers? Heck no.

Do I still like the X-Men films? Heck yes, all of them.

Though the fact that they refuse to allow any sort of cooperation with Marvel pisses me tf off.
TheDuck - 3/25/2014, 12:57 PM
People are idiots and think that if the rights go back to marvel we will keep getting xmen movies every 2 or 3 years even though it would be a 5 or 6 year gap with Marvel Studios
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 12:59 PM
I agree with you glider man, though I don't like all the films Fox has to offer X-men wise.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:01 PM
Good point, Dynamo. I think it is great that the properties are spread around the studios. More cbms, the more happy I am.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:08 PM
And how do Sony and Fox have a good relationship at all?
dethpillow - 3/25/2014, 1:16 PM
a huge part of the actual resentment from me, lies with Last Stand.

I recently rewatched it too, and it's not as disgusting as my memories of it.
but even after watching it again, kind of, my memories are still just as disgusting. There is something so gross and nauseating about that movie, and what it did, is it served as a film over the first two X-Men, bringing out the worst in them, any similarities were amplified and made 100 times worse from the horrible thing that happened with Last Stand. And it did this with Fox in general, to me.

Last Stand wasn't your regular kind of bad. Some movies are simply bad, other movies, simply terrible. Last Stand was more than anything on that level. It just made the entire world grosser the day it began existing.

I could go on for a long time saying what I read off of Fox's movies, what personality I see them taking on as far as comic book movies. I don't think that's what this article is about and I think we would obviously just disagree at the end of it all. So I won't. But I don't see why it's hard to understand that something about Fox, in particular, might rub people the wrong way.

Why is that hard to understand? The people who produce movies are going to end up having an effect on how those movies come out. right? of course they will. There is likely going to be a personality from a Fox movie versus some other studio's movies. Not always, and not always to the core, but usually.

So it would make sense that some people might like that, some people wouldn't. I don't understand what the problem is.

What's wrong with disliking things? Why a person dislikes a thing can be very interesting. I think it's important to be able to explain yourself and say why you dislike things. Even if it's for bizarre reasons, whatever, it's why you dislike a thing.

What I see a lot is people responding to dislike of a thing by bringing up a somewhat similar but very different thing and saying.."well, you have to dislike this too."

And that idea is just so wrong. so completely totally wrong. no reason anyone has to like anything, and there's usually no direct equivalency going on between the things that are being used as examples.
dethpillow - 3/25/2014, 1:19 PM
I think Origins gets too much tho. Ang Lee's Hulk too. I think both movies deserve another look by people these days. Actually everything always benefits from another look, whether it makes you hate it more or love it more, or neither.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:20 PM
I agree, Last Stand was awful. I hated it as an eight year old, as I did Batman & Robin, as I do now.
kinghulk - 3/25/2014, 1:21 PM
the biggest problem i have with fox's x men is the continuous focus on wolverine and then giving characters like cyclops the shaft. they need to stop makeing wolverine the centre of everything. i liked X1 loved X2 hated X3 and origins, loved First class and wolverine was good.
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:25 PM
I do agree, they need to explore other characters. But goddamnit do I love Hugh jackman as Wolverine.
MexicanSuperman - 3/25/2014, 1:27 PM
There was this man (I forgot his name and he had a big position at 20th Century Fox) who would cut the budgets of Fox's cbm and made the decision to change Galactus from a gaint being to a space cloud and he didn't want the sentinels because he thought gaint beings and robots were ridiculous and the general audience would not accept it. That guy rused production of X-Men 3 to get back Bryan Singer for leaving to do Superman Returns. He was the reason why many Fox movies outside cbm were meh. He left 20th Century Fox a few years ago and their movies have gotten way better. We had two cbm by Fox since that guy left the company, which are X-Men First Class, The Wolverine. Both movies are far superior to what we had before and XMDOFP looks great with a gigantic budget. I wish I can remember that guy's name.
MexicanSuperman - 3/25/2014, 1:31 PM
@dethpillow, why do keep using disgusting, gross, nauseating? Those words make you sound like these movies hurt you so personally that you can't stop thinking about them. You probably need to step away from the internet for awhile.
MexicanSuperman - 3/25/2014, 1:32 PM
*rushed
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:34 PM
I have yet to see The Wolverine, but XM: FC is my favorite fox cbm, and fifth favorite CBM in general. Such amazingness.
batz11 - 3/25/2014, 1:38 PM
I'll comment later, when I have a free moment...looks like another good one, I thumbed ya ;P
MexicanSuperman - 3/25/2014, 1:40 PM
@BatManHeisenberg, watch the director's cut for both Wolverine and Daredevil. I'm surprised you haven't seen Daredevil yet. I watched the original cut a bunch of times as a kid. Was that movie before your time?
BatManHeisenberg - 3/25/2014, 1:41 PM
I heard Daredevil was terrible, so I decided not to watch it, though I will watch the Director cuts somehwhat soon. And kinda of sort of before my time. I was six when Daredevil came out. I'm 17 now. Thanks Batz!
kinghulk - 3/25/2014, 1:46 PM
i loved azazel in xmen first class.
Wallymelon - 3/25/2014, 1:57 PM
I agree 100%

Fox has had its handful of films that arent that great but still enjoyable. I think its really silly and selfish to think that the comics are the end all and be all of the worlds the films are creating. Yes the comics is where you should draw all you inspiration but it shouldnt be a rehash of what we know and love from the comics. Thats what the cartoons are for. In film I want to see some real tension and drama. I want to believe a man can fly or shoot lasers out his eyes. I dont just want to see these things happening, because thats not artistic in anyway.

Everyone is allowed to put their stamp on a character. They have been doing it since Frankenstein and Dracula and The Mummy and Horror stuff for decades. SHakespeare gets redone and interpreted all the time. Not saying that all interpretations are great, but they are needed. Its how you keep the stories alive and fresh for generations. Every once in awhile its great to get a film that closely resembles the source material, but as a whole theres room for both.

I dont understand the hate of the FF cast. They are all talented. The whole lot of actors and Josh Trank are incredibly talented young actors and director. So they dont look like the comics... If you have an issue with that , then that is something you need to take a look at and seriously ponder why thats an issue.

If you dont like the films thats fine. But lets not hate on a film before it comes out. I understand if you dont want to see a film based on how theyve marketed it and who may be in the film or who wrote or directed it, but if you dont have anything to back it up besides im going to boycott the film because Johnny Storm is not Black. Then in my opinion you have some issues.

Anyway.. I agree with you man.

Last Stand was terrible.
Elektra was terrible.

All the other films in my opinion have qualities that are good and qualities that are bad. Within the CBMs by Fox they mostly need some work. Theyre enjoyable though in my opinion.
TheAbaryMan369 - 3/25/2014, 2:07 PM
Great article. Thumbed.

I've always looked at it this way: We either get a crap load of CBMs every year from different studios or a couple a year all from the same studio.

Sony and FOX owning character rights means more movies every year. And they're not ALL bad. X2 and Spidey 2 are the best Marvel movies from FOX and Sony and are also two of the greatest CBMs of all time.
Batmaniac - 3/25/2014, 2:09 PM
I love X-Men, X-Men 2, X-Men: First Class and The Wolverine. I think The Last Stand was okay, but I didn't X-Men Origins: Wolverine, and I pretty much dislike or don't care for any other comic book movies Fox is done.

To be fair, I don't care about Fox. I just like the X-Men movies, for the most part.
themidnightking - 3/25/2014, 2:12 PM
I didn't really like the new X-Men DOFP trailer.
Batmaniac - 3/25/2014, 2:13 PM
X-Men: Days of Future Past looks incredible!



dethpillow - 3/25/2014, 2:20 PM
@MexicanSuperman - it's not the internet, it's the movies. and yeah... Last Stand did do that. that's how bad it was, it has a physical effect on me to think about some of the worst things about it. and it's obviously not just the movie cuz it get related to other things that make me sick. about people and stuff around me. the only other movie i have that kind of memory of is Inception. those are the two really awful movies that exist for me. ohhh... and Rattle and Hum. 3. big three things in movies that i reserve this spot for...Inception, Rattle and Hum and Last Stand.

and the guys name was Tom Rothman... and that does have a big difference. I agree he was a big part of what made Fox so awful about things. I remember hearing a lot about that after the Planet of the Apes movie came out and First Class too, it must have been around the same time, and Rothman must've been responsible in some way for both of those, but I remember all that stuff. Planet of the Apes was great.
themidnightking - 3/25/2014, 2:21 PM
@Batmaniac

It just doesn't interest me for some odd reason.
Highflyer - 3/25/2014, 2:22 PM
I will say this again... Daredevil Director's cut was awesome.
Pasto - 3/25/2014, 2:22 PM
#InB4CherryAndherMadness

Bl00dwerK - 3/25/2014, 2:23 PM
FOX's problem is taking too many liberties w/the characters...
MrMartinMarvel - 3/25/2014, 2:24 PM
Some find @DrDoom, I think he'd like this article.
Pasto - 3/25/2014, 2:25 PM
Martin
he's on his way.
CherryBomb - 3/25/2014, 2:26 PM
Fox has it's problems. As does Marvel, they're not the holy grail of CBM's.

Fox really shined when they took away Wolverine as the lead, First Class felt like an X Men film, it was about the characters not just Wolverine, about conflicting politics and ideologies, a friendship and i loved the romance between Mystique and Xavier. But then X Men was a really good start to the whole franchise, I thought 90% of the casting was perfection and making Rogue the tortured new member of the X Men was a nice dynamic, I just wished they fleshed her out and made her more of a badass in the sequels.

SuperiorMrGod - 3/25/2014, 2:26 PM
You wrote this because of the new trailer didn't you...?
dethpillow - 3/25/2014, 2:27 PM
@Wallymelon - but there's a huge amount of reactions in between saying nothing and saying you're gonna boycott a film cuz MBJ's black, u know?

there's like the reaction of something coming out and then, genuinely, a person saying... that looks terrible, i don't get that. and then saying what it is about whatever particular thing that came out that they don't like.

it gets all mixed up along the way. this makes sense to me, at least. of course things get mixed up. but most of it, i don't think it comes off as hate. i hate Last Stand, i don't hate Origins, or X-Men or FF1 and FF2. I think a lot of it is coming from creating a composite voice out of all the things said on the internet and eventually, it just builds into a giant of muttering and complaining and hating on Fox, but all these things are being said individually and not all part of this mouth.
CherryBomb - 3/25/2014, 2:27 PM
@Pasto
Shush you!
MrMartinMarvel - 3/25/2014, 2:27 PM
*Someone
GliderMan - 3/25/2014, 2:27 PM
I'd say Sony is less faithful to the comics than Fox is. Sue me.

Seriously, my ONLY beef with Fox is Deadpool and unwillingness to have the X-Men movies in the same universe as MCU. The Wolverine was actually somewhat faithful to the comics, too.

Pasto - 3/25/2014, 2:28 PM
If only this place was like Reddit. I'd down-vote the shit out of Cherry's posts, and up-vote the snot out of mine.
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