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Heath Ledger Wins Best Supporting Actor!

As it has been that many a man faces adversity and wins this award; Heather Ledger shown bright in his moment of ceremony. Honored by his Father, Mother and Sister, Heath, this one is for you!


As one of the best and most versatile actors of our time, Heath Ledger has brought us comedy, romance, drama and imagination. His work has been so looked over the past decade it is unreal. His roles in "Monster's Ball", "A Knight's Tale", "Brokeback Mountain" and "The Order (The Sin Eater)" have been been so profound, so uplifting and so true to life it has been a wonder he hasn't been nominated before now.

With the appearance of 5 great actors and winners of the "Best Supporting Actor" category at the Oscars, we delve into the winner who has both made us love him for his sadness and tenacity as both a love-struck Knight and repressed son (A Knight's Tale and Monster's Ball) and loathed him for his maniacal and almost demonical portrayal of a vicious and sedistic Joker.

This man has risen above stardom to the level of absolute greatness. For his many roles and many unspoken hardships, we both salute and congratulate Heath Ledger. You have inspired us and transcended the world of acting into the world of forever. For that, we are forever grateful and wish we will see you again on the other side. Congratulations.


The follwing pictures represent some of Heath's most recognizable roles:

"10 Things I Hate About You" as Patrick Verona


As Gabriel Martin in "The Patriot"


As Sir William Thatcher/Sir Ulrich von Lichtenstein of Gelderland
in "A Knight's Tale"


As Sonny Grotowski in "Monster's Ball"


As Ned Kelly in "Ned Kelly"


As Alex Bernier in "The Order (The Sin Eater)"


As Skip in "Lords of Dogtown"


As Jacob Grimm in "The Brother's Grimm"


As Ennis Del Mar in "Brokeback Mountain"


As Giacomo Casanova in "Casanova"


and his soon to be released "The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus"



In Memoriam to Heath Ledger April 4, 1979 - Jan. 22nd 2008
40 Yes
5 No
IonParallax
2/22/2009

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132 Comments

Your right it is funny that we posted at the same time.
TDK was great, but Knights Tale may be my favorite of his, I honestly can't decide. Oh! Sopia Loren is still alive ! see ya HAWK out.
THEHAWK - 2/22/2009, 9:27 PM
A Knight's Tale and The Order are tied for my favorites. I have LOVED Knight's Tale since it came out and I've seen it EASILY 100 times. I absolutely LOVE that movie. The Order is my second fav because it's amazing. If you haven't seen it it's about the last 2 of Carolingian Order of Roman Catholic priests who are trying to uncover the case of their murdered mentor. In which they come across the Sin Eater, who holds the path to salvation for those who have been excommunicated by the church. It also stars Mark Addy (A Knight's Tale and "Still Standing" [tv series]) and Peter Weller (Robocop and "Engineering an Empire" on the History Channel)
IonParallax - 2/22/2009, 9:59 PM
I need to see it. MArk Andy is one of those actors that is underrated, he is so funny,and yet can be serious.
THEHAWK - 2/22/2009, 10:01 PM
Leger was a great actor, he wasn't a diva like alot of actors. he really was nice, down to earth guy. Spoke with the extras, you know stuff like that.
THEHAWK - 2/22/2009, 10:03 PM
Go Ledge!
TheSoulEater - 2/22/2009, 11:07 PM
Great article Ion, and i couldnt agree more..except for the sin eater, i saw it in the cinema when it came out and thought it was shocking bad!..Ledger wasnt bad in it though. Not a huge fan of Knights Tale either. But Monsters Ball and Brokeback Mountain were great
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 6:01 AM
WOW so were give people award for dying now that a new low for the human race

Supermike - 2/23/2009, 8:57 AM
lol supermike are you just asking for attention? when you post your comments your should read them out load first to make sure your lame as postings make sense. anyways when they were doing there segment on all the actors and such that had died this year i didn't see a tribute to ledger? did i just miss or did they? in anycase even if he was alive he still deserved that oscar. YAYA
jonnybaby - 2/23/2009, 9:28 AM
YES! Thank you Supermike. I have been waiting since last night to hear your take on the subject. Awesome. Good job keeping up with your title of trolling chachbag. Thanks for the front page CBM. I was hoping one of the 2 articles about it would make it up there today.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 9:28 AM
The list of entertainers who died in 08 is staggering. There's a partial list in THEHAWKs version of this article. But seriously, there were dozens of people in the "biz" who died last year. Heath, Eartha Kitt, Rob Schieder, Sean Lavert, Sir Edmund Hilary, Bettie Page etc etc. The list goes on.

But yes, Heath would have gotten this alive or dead, the next best choice would have been Josh Brolin in Milk, that movie was fantastic and he did an awesome job. Again, congrats to Heath (RIP Sir) and his family, he's definitely one who will be missed by many. I mean, did you see the amount of people with tears in their eyes at the Oscars? It was phenomenal. Incuding me, I had some tears, big baby I know. But he was a damn fine actor.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 9:32 AM
TOTALLY DESERVED HIS OSCAR,THAT POTRAYAL OF THE JOKER WAS BEYOND AWSOME...REST IN PEACE LEDGER, YOU DID WELL..
GUNSMITH - 2/23/2009, 9:36 AM
LOL You guys and your trolling comments he would of not of gotten this award alive or die because no one gave a ratass about him until his death you guys are moron and a Joke to us real comic book fans
Supermike - 2/23/2009, 9:39 AM
Again, Supermike, you're so funny dude...
There's that "real fans" comment that I love so much. Classic.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 9:41 AM
supermike what difference would it make even if people didnt take any notice of Ledger until his performance as the JOker (which isnt even true since he had garnered huge critical and commercial praise for Brokeback mountain and First Knight)..its still a performance worthy of an oscar weather he lived or died, or weather a miserable little attention seeking [frick] like you thinks so or not
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 9:50 AM
Guys, I hate to do this (I know, hell is freezing over...), but I kinda' have to agree with supermike (GAKKK!). Heath Ledger's performace was BRILLIANT, but because of the nature of the performance (comic book movie), history shows that it would have been typically overlooked by the Academy. Had Ledger not passed when he did (god rest his soul), the award would have probably gone to Frank Langella for his outstanding performance of Richard Nixon in 'Frost/Nixon' and Heath's performace would have been largely ignored.

Supermike - although there are INFINATELY better ways to get your point across than to personally attack a dead man's brilliant performace, I suppose I should consider the source! ...and who died and made you 'God of All Fanboys' anyways (..."real comic book fan" my ASS!!!!)?!!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 10:07 AM
I get what your saying logan but i really think this would have been an exception to the rule. Hell there was talk of him getting a nom even before he died! Sometimes..not very often..but sometimes those clowns actually get things right..look at return of the king!

Anyway Ledger and Langella were nominated in different categories..Ledgers only real competition was Josh Brolin for Milk
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 10:19 AM
Oops, my bad - you're right about Langella (spacing out - the coffee hasn't kicked in yet). I agree there was Oscar-buzz surrounding Heath's performance, and yes, he probably would have been nominated. I'm just saying that had he lived, that's probably as far as it would have gone (unfortunately).

Hey, I'm just as glad as the rest of you (with the exception of superdork) for Ledger, it's just a real tragedy that he couldn't be here to accept the award personally and seen the vindication of his convictions...
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 10:21 AM
Thanks for the wonderful article, Ion. And I have to agree with Rorschach on this one... There was PLENTY of talk about an Oscar nod for his performance, well before he passed. I think, if anything, this performance would have catapulted him into even better roles, and more notoriety had he not died!

(Despite the ramblings of our dear friend "Superdouche", most people could scarcely argue that the guy wasn't a phenominally gifted actor!)
adamant877 - 2/23/2009, 10:30 AM
I guess im the only one who can remember Ledger before he die and How everyone though his Joker was no different then Jack and how there was No talk of him winning a award but you guys are like wrestling mark you only remember things You WANT to remember

And Loganeil I was Not making a personal attack on a deadman brilliant performance I disagree with people who are making him out to be a something he not Just because he dead does not make him a God he not prefect his Performance of the Joker was not prefect and his Life was not Perfect. And I have the right to be mad that he won just like you guys have the right to be happy
Supermike - 2/23/2009, 10:38 AM
Supermike - none of us are saying he's a 'god', and his 'interpretation' of the Joker may not have been one you were expecting - too bad. Sometimes it's playing the risk and taking a charater in a direction that's not expected that makes the difference - that's why it's called 'ACTING'! You're right, his life wasn't 'perfect' either, but then who's really is? In any case, his life wasn't being judged last night, his performance WAS. He won - deal with it!

There were winners in other catagories that I didn't agree with, but you don't see me bashing their achievements in order to justify my choices, do you? It sounds cliche, but it IS true - just to be nominated for an Acedmy Award is an honor, and ALL the nominees TRULY deserved the recognition!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 10:46 AM
No supermike, thats how you remember it in your twisted little universe..you know, the place were cats chase dogs up trees. You can google all the pre death hype stuff about Ledger if you dont believe it..check out the reviews of his movies, the critical acclaim for his turn as the Joker. But you wont do that will you? why should you when you already know im right

And no shit he wasnt perfect, who is? or is everyone perfect in the land of Mixtupalotolis?
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 10:52 AM
supermike@ your so right about what u said. And me and u have the balls to say it. These people are fans of movies more than they are of comics and comic movies. They care about acting, plot, story, wrighting, directing, witch actor is playing what, how many lines some ones says, how long they were on film for. Now tell me what comic book fan cares about that? I went to the dark night cause i like batman. The movie was more about the joker and Heath Ledger's deth. I don't even think people new batman was in the movie. I't became more about heath and his perfomence then it did being about the dark night. They should dig up Brandon Lee and give im an oscar for the crow. People saw the crow and that became numberone cause people wanted to see were he got shot,how messed up is that?! And i don't Think his perfomence was all that great It was the joker. Then give jack nickelson the oscar cause he played him just as dark. And i'll say it-I don't think Heath Ledger deservers an oscar wether people like you think so or not.

And (supermike) don't let these ass holes get to you cause u have a right for your opinion. They come down on u cause u don't think like them. If you said heath is god and deservers an oscar then they would be haveing sex with u. But it's up to us real comic book fans to tell them whats up ;)
Logan-X - 2/23/2009, 10:55 AM
Uh Logan, you say we're just '...fans of movies more than [we] are of comics and comic movies...' and that you went to see 'Dark Knight' because you love Batman, but I put it to you this way, without '...acting, plot, story, writing, directing...' there wouldn't BE a movie for you to watch. You said you just love Batman, so by that reasoning, you must have LOVED the Schumacher films, right? Screw the bat-nipple fetish suits, the neon accenting, the one-dimensional acting, the plot holes big enough to drive a Batmobile through - it had Batman so the Schumacher films MUST be OK, right?

For the record, I think they SHOULD have at least nominated Brandon Lee for an Oscar, not because he passed away during the filming, but because his performance was that good! It was partially because of the narow-sighted view of the times on the Academy's part of comic book films that 'The Crow' got snubbed! And, I think Jack Nicholson is an over-rated windbag in love with himself (yeah, I said it - who wants some?!). His Joker was A JOKE (nothing more!)!!! He deserved NOTHING for his 'interpretation' (how can you truly call it 'acting' when you play the same obnoxious person - namely "yourself" in ALL YOUR FILMS?!). You say his performace was 'dark'? It was only if you watched it with your eyes closed!

I said it before:
"There were winners in other catagories that I didn't agree with, but you don't see me bashing their achievements in order to justify my choices, do you? It sounds cliche, but it IS true - just to be nominated for an Acedmy Award is an honor, and ALL the nominees TRULY deserved the recognition!"
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 11:11 AM
It doesn't take balls to say what you said. It takes your opinion. I understand you have not liked Ledger for his acting, and you though TDK was somehow, all about Ledger, but it wasn't really. I think you're just blowing off some steam there about your dislike for TDK. Which is fine, opinions are free, and this is a website where you can use that to say whatever you would like.

Jack didn't deserve an Oscar for his role, he wasn't at all dark, he was comedic. The movie was dark, but Jack was Jack. The only role the man plays EVER, himself. He just so happened to be dressed up as the Joker that time. I agree it was a fantastic portrayal, but seriously, the balloons? The giant magnum that he shot the Batplane down with? Break dancing and a giant boombox? Seriously? Not happening.

The Crow became #1 because it was a good movie. You don't even SEE the shot where he gets killed, it's not in the movie at all.

I never said Heath was God as that is both ridiculous and absolutely inflammatory. He was a good actor, IMO, I enjoyed his films from the beginning and will continue to do so. I know, people die all the time blah blah blah, well, you're right. But regardless, I feel he did deserve it, and he would have won it either way, although like I and ROR have already stated, Brolin did a PHENOMENAL job in Milk.

But again, this is dedicated to Heath Ledger. Great performances, great movies. RIP.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 11:21 AM
BTW, enough with the "real fans" comments. That just makes you sound like a complete idiot. We're ALL fans here, otherwise we wouldn't be here in the first place. We know what we're talking about when we spout out information. We've done research, we've written articles, we KNOW what we're doing. (Most of us)

There's no reason for you to say you're a "real fan" and we're just assholes because you don't agree with what we're saying. Keep the insults to yourself and try to be a little more eloquent in your comments. Insults and "I told ya so" comments are ridiculous. Even if you ARE entitled to them.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 11:25 AM
Ledger definatly deserves it! One of the best performances i've ever seen. He did an awesome job with the joker
mpelzer659 - 2/23/2009, 11:26 AM
"They care about acting, plot, story, wrighting, directing, witch actor is playing what, how many lines some ones says, how long they were on film for. Now tell me what comic book fan cares about that?"

Congradulations logan x, that is officially the biggest brain fart of a statement that i have seen on these, or any other forum or website
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 11:37 AM
Supermike you're a tool and so is your boyfriend logan x. Heath's Joker was closer to the sadistic and psychotic comics version then any other actor has ever come. Perhaps before your moron's call yourselves "REAL COMIC FANS" you should go out and read a comic book.

Ledger deserves this award, you couldn't even tell it was him in the movie that's how well he brought this character to life. Congrats to Heath!
LastSon1027 - 2/23/2009, 11:45 AM
Ion (guys) - supermike and Logan have a right to their opinions, just as we have the right to ours. Just because they disagree with us, doesn't give us the right to sink to their level and start calling each other names. After all Ion, aren't you just insulting all the morons in the world by comparing them to supermike? Right now there's a village out there somewhere crying for its lost idiot!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 11:47 AM
Hey, I said they were entitled to them, and where di I compare someone to someone? I must have been ranting...
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 11:51 AM
IonParallax wrote:
"BTW, enough with the "real fans" comments. That just makes you sound like a complete IDIOT."

Don't rant too hard, you might pop a vein! (LOL)
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 11:52 AM
Oh, I did say that didn't I. Oh well. My bad for stooping. CBM, where's my administrative rights? I want the title of Nazi douchebag writer because I want to censor or just flat out delete peoples comments...

I do that sometimes and my eyes feel like they're going to bleed from looking at this damned monitor. Oh well though, it usually just ends up looking like I've smoked WAY too much pot.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 11:54 AM
Sure ther entitled to ther opinions but if they dont back up ther statements intelligently we also have the right to rip the piss out of them for it!

seriously though, they wont be on here again now with any kind of well thought our retort..if they do post again it will just be more inane bullshit with no point to it..wait and see!
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 11:56 AM
"Deutschland, Deutschland über alles,
Über alles in der Welt,
Wenn es stets zu Schutz und Trutze
Brüderlich zusammenhält..."

IonParallax wrote:
"Oh well though, it usually just ends up looking like I've smoked WAY too much pot. "

Well, that's ONE way to alleviate pressure (LOL)!

Rip away, ror!


loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 11:57 AM
I cant remember. Is this the first time someone in a comicbook movie has won something?
Betty - 2/23/2009, 12:11 PM
Does supermike actually speak english or is he just piecing words together that his retarded brain actually thinks makes sense?
evilinprogress - 2/23/2009, 12:13 PM
10 things i hate about you, that movie was filmed out here in tacoma but I was 2 young to remember, anyways, heath made brokeback mountain and people had alot of bad things to say about him, but after this joker he played, not only did he win every award he could for suporting actor, but we all have a hard time really wanting to replace him, It just sucks the man had to die so young.
zinext - 2/23/2009, 12:28 PM
well no i dont like bat man 3 & 4 cause it was so differaunt from 1 & 2. I could care less about the acting and who was in it. if it look more gothic like the first two it would of been awsome. And see thats the differaunt between me and you people i diden't see heath i saw the joker, i diden't see robert doney jr as tony stark/ iron man i saw tony stark, i diden't see nicolus cage i saw ghost rider but because u people didn't like the actor the movie was stupid, Who cares it it was ghost rider!!!!! but u people care about his acting.

oh so is that your problem (ROSCHACH01) i dont back up my opinion itelligently Well it's a opinion i never heard of debating over an opinion. What do i have to back up. I don't think he deservse an oscar. Fine u think he dose so, i like apple pie u like blue berry so lets fight over it. Oh wait we cain't i diden't exsplain why. And you rip on us cause are opinions are differaunt than yours.
Logan-X - 2/23/2009, 12:43 PM
I would just like to say congrats to the Ledger family. What a terrible, tragic loss at such a young age.
Juicerules - 2/23/2009, 12:43 PM
My favorite movie of his, of many really, but the most favorite of mine is- Casanova. I like A KNights Tale also. I love all his movies except maybe Broke Back Montain. That one not so much.

I think he did really well as the Joker- enough to win the Oscar? maybe not but he still did a good job, he's got talent obviously. I think imo perhaps Frank should have won the award but as they say "there's always next time".
KeepItReal - 2/23/2009, 12:45 PM
I get your point Logan, but if the actor doesn't PORTRAY the part with believability ('acting'), if he/she doesn't do their homework, build a proper character and 'flesh them out', then chances are you're going to wind up with a POS like David Hasslehoff's 'Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD', instead of a 'Dark Knight' - that's why we're so interested in the acting.
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 12:58 PM
Greetings everyone. I usually come to this site to keep up with what's going on with upcoming film adaptations of my favorite comics. From time to time I breeze through the forums to see what's the buzz amongst the fans. I've never posted before simply because I didn't feel compelled to. (Plus, someone always says how I feel about the subject...No need to repeat the point.) But reading some of the remarks on this particular stream had me inputing membership info...

1. The last time I looked the site was titled "Comicbookmovie.com" Not Comicbook.com, Not Movie.com but COMICBOOKMOVIE.COM. Which means there is room enough for both here. Fans of comics who like movies and vice versa. So the whole "REAL FAN" statements don't fit on this site at all.

2. Whether you agree or not that Mr. Ledger deserved an award for his potrayl of the Joker, This is not the page to debate it. As I understand it this article was placed here to honor this man and his accomplishments. If you don't think he deserves it...Start your own forum about the subject. To tear down someone (Dead or alive) in a arena that is designed to show respect for that person is just in poor taste.

Thanks you and I look forward to interacting with you all.
JTheMostAwesome - 2/23/2009, 1:00 PM
J - agreed, but as you might not be aware being an occasional visitor to the site, supermike is notorious for posting purely inflamatory remarks (usually just to get a rise out of people). What is surprising is that Logan-X is siding with him (Logan, what's up with that?).
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 1:03 PM
Loganoneil - Oh I've noticed. LOL

JTheMostAwesome - 2/23/2009, 1:29 PM
@Logan-X

When you're telling other people that they're stupid, that their opinion is wrong, and that they don't have the balls to admit it, you better back up your opinion intelligently. If you came on here and said "I didn't think he deserved the Oscar." Then fine. But when you come on here and say things like this:


"supermike@ your so right about what u said. And me and u have the balls to say it. These people are fans of movies more than they are of comics and comic movies."

and things like this:

"And (supermike) don't let these ass holes get to you cause u have a right for your opinion. They come down on u cause u don't think like them. If you said heath is god and deservers an oscar then they would be haveing sex with u. But it's up to us real comic book fans to tell them whats up ;)"

you are insulting everyone on here and opening yourself and your opinion to attacks. No offense but this makes your opinion less valid whether you want to admit it or not. You can state you're opinion without attacking everybody on here. When you attack everybody you belittle yourself and your argument.

P.S. You do not want to be siding with Supermike on anything even if you agree with him. He's a troll and just says what is unpopular on any given subject.
alten2345 - 2/23/2009, 1:30 PM
Okay loganx, first off you didnt say you didnt think he deserved an oscar, you said he only won one because he died, 2nd..why would you bother posting anything, your opinion or otherwise if you didnt want to debate or discuss it? thats what these threads are for! If you dont want people to react to your statements then either back up what your saying intelligently or stop making them!
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 1:31 PM
As for Heath Ledger winning the Oscar. I'm glad he did, and I think he deserved it. It was a great performance overall and Heath did the character justice.

@Logan-X

Now as to why your statement about the Dark Knight being all about the Joker and not about Batman is right, but why you're wrong as well.

When has any modern age Joker story in the comics been about anything but the Joker. 90% of any Batman/Joker story where the Joker is the main antagonist is about the Joker, not Batman, at least up until the point where Batman catches him again. That's why the Joker character is so unique because he is bigger then the hero that he is fighting.

Have you ever even read "Batman: The Killing Joke" by Alan Moore? If you haven't then I suggest you go pick it up since you're "a true fan." If you have then I don't even know how you can argue that any Joker story, whether it be on the big screen or in a comic book, is mainly about Batman and not the Joker. "The Killing Joke" is all about the Joker and how f*cked up he is and how he wants to prove that anybody can be like him, and all it takes is one bad day for somebody to be like him. Sound familiar?? That's pretty much the script from 'Dark Knight', just with the characters changed around a bit. And if I remember correctly, I do believe that Nolan and Ledger used that story as the basis for the Joker character in the 'Dark Knight.'

Whether you like it or not, 'The Dark Knight' was always meant to be "about the Joker" and it delivered a great story and great performances by all involved.
alten2345 - 2/23/2009, 1:35 PM
Guys, I hate to do the 'what-if', but what if 'Logan-X' really isn't Logan-X? Is it possible that supermike hacked his profile? The reason I suggest this is that the posts from 'Logan-X' don't SOUND like Logan-X, they sound like EXACTLY like supermike!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 1:43 PM
Whatever It over you guys are too blind to see the light
Supermike - 2/23/2009, 1:53 PM
Well Ion it looks like you win, your article got posted.LOL Congrats man I'm glad one of these got on the front. Your article was better written anyway. Oh and i want to say that it is very crapy of everyone to be arguing about this, we are all entitled to opinions. Opinions are like buttholes, everyone has one, and some of them stink. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAWKout.
THEHAWK - 2/23/2009, 2:00 PM
Touche HAWK, pass the Glade (LOL)!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 2:07 PM
"Whatever It over you guys are too blind to see the light"

I rest my case
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 2:15 PM
And everyone Ledger wasn't the only one to win posthumously. As I said on my article Peter Finch won an Oscar in 1976 for the amazing performance as Howard Beale in Network. And to everyone who thinks he won it because he was dead I am going to borrow a line from Mr. Beale "Im as mad as Hell, and I'm not going to take it any more." HAWK out.
THEHAWK - 2/23/2009, 2:23 PM
Super Mike and Logan,

So what if they gave it to him because he died. The Academy doesn’t give an Oscar to the best actor (although that occasionally happens). They give it to whomever they want, which is usually the person that kisses their ass enough and campaigns hard enough. They don't even say "And the best Actor is" they say "And the Oscar goes to." They say that because that is precisely what is happening, the Oscar is going to someone, not necessarily the best but it is going to them. That is the way it has been, long before Heath Ledger died.

Heath Ledger was brilliant as the Joker. You may not think so and you obviously have that right, but the Academy gives out Oscar's every year to douche bags that don’t deserve it. This year they gave one to an actor that did a brilliant job in a great movie. I don't care why they did it. He is more deserving than most and I am happy to remember a guy that gave him life to acting and was great at it. He may not have been to greatest ever, but he was the best this year (in my opinion).

What you, Super Mike and Logan need to do, is try to figure out what happened to your heart. Ask yourself why it shriveled up and rotted away. I know you think that is makes you look more intelligent and cerebral to point out that his death factored in, but it only makes you look like ass wholes. Your poor grammar makes you look unintelligent, and your need for attention, any attention, even bad attention makes you pathetic.

I feel sorry for you both.
tenaciousbt - 2/23/2009, 2:28 PM
jackman is a dick. he is not even american and making jokes about the recession.
grif - 2/23/2009, 2:40 PM
grif - he was just trying to be funny. He WAS host of ceremonies and as host it's to be expected that he would make a dig about it. In any case, what does that have to do with Heath Ledger's Oscar?
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 2:51 PM
your pathetic tenaciousbt you and everyone who thinks like you two because your a selfish uncaring basted you guys didn't give a ratass about Ledger till he die and now your riding his ass like he a God.

So let me ask you these has your heart always been this Black and evil
Supermike - 2/23/2009, 3:01 PM
So what if hes not American? He lives in America! and even if he didnt what the hell does it matter that he makes jokes about the poxy recession? Im Irish..hey you guys are in the middle of a recession..hahahahahaah...guess what, so are we..and so is most of the mother[frick]in world!

supermike i bet you have a tiny prick. please tell us more about how the evil D.P tried to kill Christian Bale! lol, you really are delusional

speaking of the oscars, did you see Sophia Loren? i still would in a drunken rage!
Rorschach01 - 2/23/2009, 3:02 PM
Supermike - um... what the HELL are you talking about? Personally, I've been a fan of Mr. Ledger since '10 Things I Hate About You' (I was dragged to see it with my then-girlfriend - thought the movie was a bit pretentious, but Ledger sold the film...), so your comment about jumping on the Heath Ledger bandwagon just because he's gone makes NO sense whatsoever. Oh, I forgot who I'm speaking with - sorry supermike, I thought you actually had something intelligent to contribute!
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 3:08 PM
WOW loganoneil not only does your spelling and grammar sucks but you can't read did you even go to school
Supermike - 2/23/2009, 3:57 PM
JT; Thank you, your comment exemplifies what this article is about. Honoring someone for their work, a posthmous congratulations and his work from his first movie until his last. ALL of which (except Parnassus because it's not out) are good films IMO.

There is no bandwagon HERE, if there were there wouldn't be pictures of him in every popular role he's been in. It's not all of them, it's the more recognizable ones. But, there's no reason to defend my level of "fandom" as I know it to be true.

ROR; AMEN TO THE SOPHIA LOREN STATEMENT! Smokin'.
I thought Hugh Jackman was HILARIOUS! The opening number was great and he did a fine job hosting. I know he didn't write the stuff, but his delivery was funny. Personally, this has been the best Oscars I've seen in a long time. Even with the cutback budget. It was a good time.

I understand some people don't think he deserved the Oscar, I GET THAT. As does anyone who can reason, gets it. But seriously, HE WON IT! You can be angry or upset about it all you want, but guess what, that's not going to change ANYTHING! Be happy for a family who lost a son, a sister who lost a brother, a daughter who lost her father. Be a real person and stop bashing a dead man's memory. Seriously, it's uncalled for and completely unclassy. I understand in a few years it will be a running gag on SNL, MadTV, Robot Chicken, CollegHumor etc. That's what happens when people die, there are jokes made about them later on to bring a lighter air to a tragedy. It may not be very classy, or charming, but it's their own way of moving on.

Nobody ever said Heath Ledger was an acting God. NOR, is anyone even approaching that sentiment. There are people here who are voicing their opinion about him and how they think he shouldn't have won. There are people here who like a few of his movies, but not all of them. There are those who ONLY liked him as the Joker. That's fine, because they're not attacking the rest of the group. Voice your opinion fine, honor or shit on the man's memory, fine, just leave the rest of the people commenting OUT OF IT. As you're just being somewhat childish trying to start an argument over nothing.

R.I.P. Heathcliff Andrew Ledger
Apr. 4, '79 - Jan. 22, '08
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 4:34 PM
Did Supermike just bust on someone's grammar?

Just for the record, you didn't like Heath Ledger in his role as the Joker? Or you didn't think he deserved the Oscar because he died? You posted on another page that you didn't like either of Nolan's Batman movies, imply Bale was a crappy Batman, then defend Bale on another page.

And also Logan X,

Burton's first Batman movie was mostly about the Joker as well. They gave you an origin story for the Joker, but not Batman. Nicholson even got top billing. I hear no complaints on that one.
BillyBlack - 2/23/2009, 4:51 PM
@Supermike

You criticize someones spelling but this is what your next to last comment looked like, and I quote:

"your pathetic tenaciousbt you and everyone who thinks like you two because your a selfish uncaring basted you guys didn't give a ratass about Ledger till he die and now your riding his ass like he a God."

Allow me to point out all the spelling errors in just this one post:

It's you're not your.
It's too not two.
It's you're not your again.
It's bastard not basted (a turkey gets basted just a little fyi.)
It's rats ass not ratass.
It's died not die.
It's you're not your for the third time.
It's he's not he.

Oh yeah and punctuation every once in awhile helps too.

Nuff Said troll.
alten2345 - 2/23/2009, 5:16 PM
lol super mike an logan you guys fight like little school girls one second your on eachothers side next your at each others throats lol good show.. anyways i also have enjoyed ledgers films the first dvd i bought and watched on my PS2 was a knights tale one of my favourite movies. i even saw brokeback as much as i really don't care to see two guys get it on... in any case personally ledgers performance as the joke was just chilling, the pencil scene and when he blow up the hospital were just wicked... he ate that role i think i'll watch it again tonight lol anyways these postings are all opinions but i agree with tenaciousbt about the heart deal and about the oscars too its just rich ppl gettin there asses kissed... but wheres the heart ppl show some respect for a great actor in all sorts of forms
jonnybaby - 2/23/2009, 5:27 PM
Let me just say that I'm not a big Ledger fan, but I also don't have anything against the guy. He's been in some very good movies and done very well in all of his roles (some done better than others). He's been in some critically acclaimed movies and some very entertaining ones. He's also had some fluff performances in some fluff movies. Sorry, guys, but I'm not going to gush about a guy's performance in a cookie cutter romantic comedy or a period piece that has the villagers chanting "We Will Rock You". They're entertaining, yes, but cinematic masterpieces they are not.

That having been said, I believe he would have received the award whether he'd passed away or not. His performance as The Joker (whether you think it's faithful to the source material or not) was downright disturbing. Kudos to you, Heath, for that and your other notable performances.
AltRockFan - 2/23/2009, 5:59 PM
I saw the Brothers Grim in the theater and wanted to walk out. That movie sucked. Everything about it sucked. I'm a big Terry Gilliam fan too. Name me one actor who hasn't had a clunker or two? Name your favorite actor, then think of his/her worst performance or movie.

Like AltRock here said, at the end of the day, he was up for his vision of the Joker. I think he nailed it. If anyone has an agrument for someone else winning, I'd certainly be willing to hear your pitch.
BillyBlack - 2/23/2009, 6:20 PM
Thank you Billy and alten - I honestly didn't know what to make for sueprdork's 'rip' on my spelling. Aside from a few typos, I think my spelling and grammar are quite good (which is a HELLUVA lot more than I can say for 'Bizarro'...), AND I can form complete, coherent sentences - can you say the same, superdork?
loganoneil - 2/23/2009, 7:08 PM
Supermike & Logan - Its terrible that you have garnered enough of our attention of those that werent even members of this website but kudos to you. You will make COMICBOOKMOVIE.COM even more popular because of your moronic intellect. Most of us that saw TDK loved it and Heath Ledger's performance of the Joker hands down stole all the attention which is good and what was intended. You say "you don't see the actor just the character", that's ridiculous. Even if you're not a movie fan but only a comic fan it is writers that are creating the character and persona of your beloved Batman. And various writers at that. The two of you are pathetic and i have to say that you should appear at a comic covention wear your tag names and endure the attention that it is that you seek and watch as the masses tear you a new one. Ledger's performance in Lords of Dogtown is what captured my attention and when i heard he was going to portray the Joker i was skeptical, but when i saw him in make-up i was in awe. His dying is sad truly for the acting community and for his family and his children that he has left behind and to all the fans that would have loved to see more of the Joker, Ledger's Joker in future films. The film dod not revolve around Ledger's death Warner Bros didnt even use that as a publicity strategy they had more respect than that. What used his death and campaigned viewer ratings was media. Before you strive for attention think that maybe the world around you and all those you think are assholes are assholes and realize that you are only the common denominator in your equation and face the fact that you are indeed the asshole. Same time thanks cuz you actually made me take the time to register and sign up. Keep being assholes and karma will come and take a heaping dump right in your suck holes.
danielb1901 - 2/23/2009, 8:48 PM
Supermike & Logan - Its terrible that you have garnered enough of our attention of those that werent even members of this website but kudos to you. You will make COMICBOOKMOVIE.COM even more popular because of your moronic intellect. Most of us that saw TDK loved it and Heath Ledger's performance of the Joker hands down stole all the attention which is good and what was intended. You say "you don't see the actor just the character", that's ridiculous. Even if you're not a movie fan but only a comic fan it is writers that are creating the character and persona of your beloved Batman. And various writers at that. The two of you are pathetic and i have to say that you should appear at a comic covention wear your tag names and endure the attention that it is that you seek and watch as the masses tear you a new one. Ledger's performance in Lords of Dogtown is what captured my attention and when i heard he was going to portray the Joker i was skeptical, but when i saw him in make-up i was in awe. His dying is sad truly for the acting community and for his family and his children that he has left behind and to all the fans that would have loved to see more of the Joker, Ledger's Joker in future films. The film dod not revolve around Ledger's death Warner Bros didnt even use that as a publicity strategy they had more respect than that. What used his death and campaigned viewer ratings was media. Before you strive for attention think that maybe the world around you and all those you think are assholes are assholes and realize that you are only the common denominator in your equation and face the fact that you are indeed the asshole. Same time thanks cuz you actually made me take the time to register and sign up. Keep being assholes and karma will come and take a heaping dump right in your suck holes.
danielb1901 - 2/23/2009, 8:48 PM
I didnt read all the posts..way to long but I skipped through a couple.
1. As we all know. supermike, you're a [frick]ing idiot!
2. I believe even if the award did automatically go to Ledger because he died. He still could of won it againt everyone that was nominated. Just my opinion.
darkclaw - 2/23/2009, 9:29 PM
I dont know guys. I think he deserved Best Actor. Screw that supporting crap. He WAS the best actor. Didnt Sean Penn get the best actor? Shoot, Ledger deserved that title. Screw Sean Penn.
Jib7z - 2/23/2009, 9:57 PM
SuperMike,

I know what you are doing. I know that you are writing badly on purpose to get a rise out of people. I would think it was funny if it weren't so pathetic and sad.

Everyone I present SuperMike:

A fat, pimple faced douche that is starved for attention.
He is introverted, has never been laid and doesn't shower. He would jack off all the time except his poor little wee wee is too small, so he just rubs it like a girl. You desperately need our attention Supermike because you are a loser who can't have normal interaction so you throw grenades and watch to see what happens. I bet you think that makes you "cool". At least I get to feel superior knowing that people like you are out there.


tenaciousbt - 2/23/2009, 10:11 PM
Aaaaah, animosity. It's not at all what this article was supposed to become but, I should have known better.
We all know what Supermike is here for, and the more you speak to him, the more asinine it becomes. He's here to spark "controversy" and get underneath peoples' skin; he does a relatively decent job at it, mine included. But, just once, would it be possible for people to actually ignore the uproariously innane bantering of what we can only surmise to be someone who seeks attention for various reasons. "Any attention is good attention." so say most child psychologists about emotionally distraught and intellectually lacking individuals, which is more than likely what we're dealing with here.

Just let it be a tribute, you can dislike the fact that he won the Oscar and you don't think he deserved it, that's all well and good, however, it doesn't need to become what EVERY other article becomes at one point in time or another. I will quote myself from a previous comment
"I understand some people don't think he deserved the Oscar, I GET THAT. As does anyone who can reason, gets it. But seriously, HE WON IT! You can be angry or upset about it all you want, but guess what, that's not going to change ANYTHING! Be happy for a family who lost a son, a sister who lost a brother, a daughter who lost her father. Be a real person and stop bashing a dead man's memory. Seriously, it's uncalled for and completely unclassy...There are people here who are voicing their opinion about him and how they think he shouldn't have won. There are people here who like a few of his movies, but not all of them. There are those who ONLY liked him as the Joker. That's fine, because they're not attacking the rest of the group."

If you truly don't agree with it, write your own article on why you think he shouldn't have won. Hell, start a fansite dedicated to the negative side of everything. Title it, "The Controversy Compound" or "The Parallax View" or whatever you would like. Just leave it out of the articles that are trying to convey a sense of sentiment about someone who was honored by his colleagues and fans alike for a truly wonderful work of art.
IonParallax - 2/23/2009, 11:47 PM
Being a fellow Perth boy I followed his career closely and was always impressed with his performances. This win makes up for the Oscar that he lost to Seymour Hoffman, robbed I tells ya!
You have left out two of his better roles too, Four Feathers was an underrated movie and an aussie movie called Two Hands, it is a cult film over here.
LeonardShelby - 2/24/2009, 12:55 AM
tenaciousbt why don't you trying being a man once in your life and just accepted the fact that your wrong Oh wait you can't want to know why because just the moron who gave Ledger this award you have no respect for the dead
Supermike - 2/24/2009, 7:41 AM
And just so the rest of you moron know I am a American and God gave me the right to free speech and if you don't like it I GOT TWO WORD FOR YOU SUCK IT

Just because im a better person then any of you and you know Im right but just like the ledger family you do anything for a money even if it mean using a other Human being death
Supermike - 2/24/2009, 7:45 AM
Your American? i always assumed you were foreign because of the retarded grammar and spelling..ah well, guess your dumber than i thought!
Rorschach01 - 2/24/2009, 8:23 AM
Very happy Heath won that award. He definatly deserved it. Dark Knight was the biggest movie in ten years, it should have won more awards in my opinion. Unfortunatly these oscar people seem to vote for movies with homo's all the time. The really question now is does Cris Nolan bring in a new actor to take over the part? I think he should as long as they are obligated to use Ledgers portral of the joker as there guide. But who would play it? Jake Gyllenhall, Orlando Bloom, Paul Walker? Maybe Sean William Scott from american pie. Who knows? Whatever Warner Brother does they should definatly bring back the joker. Heath gave us a real life Joker, and his interpratation of him should NOT die with him in my opinion. CAN I GET A HELL YEAH?!!!
dxperry - 2/24/2009, 8:25 AM
Oooookay, so tenaciousbt has 'no respect for the dead' because Heath Ledger received an Oscar (one the the highest awards in cinema) for Best Supporting Actor and he may/or may not have gotten it in part because he died?! What the hell are you on (and did you bring enough to share with everyone?), 'cause that must be some REALLY good sh!t you're somkin'! Um 'Bizarro', do you even READ what you post? That is the most non-sensical, circular piece of BS logic I've read in a LONG time. This is an achievement (even by your standards)!
loganoneil - 2/24/2009, 8:40 AM
Super Mike ............... im new here but i think u like to annoy people ... dnt know y bt u jst seem to like to start argument's 4 som reason nd by the way ur wrong heath's preformence ws brillent nd he did desserv to win ... p.s u seem like a [frick]ing nob by the way ..
jd14452 - 2/24/2009, 9:35 AM
jd - supermike is notorious for posting purely inflamatory remarks (usually just to get a rise out of people). Unless you want to jump into the fray (I mean 'fun'), just ignore him...
loganoneil - 2/24/2009, 10:08 AM
Well your moron got your wish, They kill off the Joker in respect for Ledger so Thanks you guys for showing how retarded Comic book movie fans really are.

You all just hate People speak the truth, about Ledger you guys just hate being proven wrong. And now we the comic book fans can no longer read our favorite bad in our favorite comics'. because you moron wanted a character that been around for 61 year to be kill off. because some overrated ACTOR who didn't even own the right to the character nor Play him RIGHT could be the last one to play them.

I hate comic book movie all they do is ruin the comic book world
Supermike - 2/24/2009, 1:04 PM
Are you a virgin supermike?
Rorschach01 - 2/24/2009, 1:53 PM
Seeing as ignoring you doesnt seem to work, I do have a question for you, mike. How can you claim to be a 'true comic book fan' if you hate everything? That, and your contradictory statements and inconsistent spelling (sometimes its illegiable, other times it only lacks puncuation marks) proves that you are here to get a rise out of people, only becoming serious when the attacks get too personal and its not fun anymore.

To be honest, these games are kinda fun. I look forward to seeing what ridiculous stuff your going to spout off next to rile everybody up, or the insult your about to lay on me. Its amusing, so thanks, kid. Your idiocy is making these posts a little more interesting.

Shadowelfz - 2/24/2009, 2:02 PM
I posted a comment and a few questions hopeing to get sum feedback from some comic fans but everyone seems to busy worrying about this supermike. The more you pay attention to his no sense comments the more he'll keep post them to piss everyone off.
dxperry - 2/24/2009, 2:38 PM
dxperry - we've tried that (on numerous other threads). Unfortunately he doesn't seem to take the hint. Finally a few of us decided to give in and have a little fun at his expense. If he's stupid enough to keep coming back for more, then I say, "What the hell."
loganoneil - 2/24/2009, 2:55 PM
...and 'Bizarro', they DID NOT kill off the Joker in the film. Remember one of the Joker's last lines in the film?

"I think you and I are destined to do this forever..."

The CHARACTER of Joker is not dead (he's getting better. I feel happy! I feel happy! I feel... uhhhh). But out of respect for Ledger, they're just not going to put the character back in the mix right away - is that so wrong, Mr. 'No-respect-for-the-dead'?
loganoneil - 2/24/2009, 3:02 PM
i don't mean to undermine his performance, but i seriously doubt he would have gotten the damn thing were he alive. he was exceptional in the role and it was amazing but still, i feel it was more of a 'aw this guy died and his character was very hyped....let's give him a posthumous tribute, the fans will love that' kinda thing. not saying he didn't deserve it.
johndalb - 2/24/2009, 3:03 PM
I was speculating on that earlier, John - you know how the Academy is with 'non-SERIOUS' films...
loganoneil - 2/24/2009, 3:05 PM
I don't want to say anything bad about Supermike because I don't want to be pulled into the pointless fray between intellectual people and a subhuman dumb[frick] thats going on here. But since Supermike is on one of his infamous trolling sessions(and this one's a doosey), I figured I'd remind you guys about the poll:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MillerMovies/polls/

If you don't know, It's to vote him off the site. It won't work, but vote anyway and see the results. Maybe he'll learn something from it. HA! Just kidding.
ElBeaster - 2/24/2009, 4:07 PM
@Everybody

"Well your moron got your wish, They kill off the Joker in respect for Ledger.....You all just hate People speak the truth"

Supermike sure showed us who's the boss with his grammatical skills and superb grasp of the English language. I for one am completely humbled by his eloquent response to all of us on here. I will never again doubt his keen intellect and immense knowledge about anything comic book related.

LOL Naaaaaaaaah. I'm just f*cking with you all. That's what I would have said if it was opposite day. But it's not opposite day and a blind monkey could still write better than Supermike.


alten2345 - 2/24/2009, 4:39 PM
Ion, you are the man
Knights Tale and The Order are also two of my favorite movies
phenominal casts, great stories and humour, and all around great films. The Order is the best movie youve never heard of.

also there are so many people saying that he only got the oscar because he is dead. that makes no sense. they would not give the second top award in American acting to someone for anything other than his spectacular performance. to be an actor is to assume another role, another complete person. there is not one part of Dark Knight where you say 'ha thats classic Ledger' every part of that character is the Joker through and through.
he became the Joker, he stepped out of who he is and became a completely new person. and that person was a crazy, psychotic killer clown prince of crime. he earned that oscar and the only reason people have doubts is because he died and it is a comicbook movie.
do you really think his acting was NOT better than the others nominated????
realfirstavenger - 2/24/2009, 5:14 PM
So does anybody think they should reprise the role with somebody else? If so who? Im really intrested to read peoples opinions on this. Just a quick yes or no answer and who you think should pick up the part. Then you can happily go back to trashn supermike. this is a site to comment on comic movies isnt it?
dxperry - 2/24/2009, 5:20 PM
dxperry i do think they should recast the role..The Joker is too important to Batman mythology not to..as for who to cast..i havnt a clue! But whoever it is should not concern themselves with trying to "out Joker" Ledger..but make the part ther own..

now back to trouncing superc#nt!
Rorschach01 - 2/24/2009, 5:29 PM
There was a post a while back with the choices of a new Joker by CBM users. My choice was Ben Foster and somebody said James Franco and I thought that was genius.

Some other ones that were thrown out there were Sam Rockwell and of course Johnny Depp. Can't remember the other ones though. I was gonna make a poll, but I forgot all of the choices.
ElBeaster - 2/24/2009, 6:01 PM
from what i have read they do plan on reprising the character because of how much they set it up in Dark Knight as well as the simple fact that the Joker is Batman's number 1 villian and he will always be a part of the mythos.

for me it is hard to say what i would like to see. someone create their own Joker, or someone try to recreate Ledgers. i know what will happen but its hard for me to say what i think would be better.
realfirstavenger - 2/24/2009, 7:19 PM
I love James Franco, and I can totally see him pull that off, but hes way to important to us, specially if this role is very hard to do. I wouldnt want him to o'd on drugs cuz he cant sleep, just so I can see him play the joker.

James Franco looks like "James Dean"...James dean didnt live very long {February 8, 1931 – September 30, 1955}...he died in a crash. James Franco looks and is becoming the NEXT JAMES DEAN. He looks just like him. James dean was in the movie "Giant"...awesome movie by the way.

"Knock on wood"...but I really like James Franco...and if there is a BATMAN curse out there, I dont want it getting anywhere near James Franco.

If they were to reprise the role...I think only Jame sFranco should play it...but I want to see other characters...rather than the joker all the time. I've seen him 2 times now in film...and in the show...I think its time to see characters like

The Madhatter
The Riddler ...Either of those roles can be played by johnny depp.

or The Man Bat...or bane....but I want intelligence in these films...not "RAWR...I'm bane and I'm not the smart scientist that I live up to be...because the director is an idiot and didnt read comics before making 'Batman and Robin"

What y'all think?


Aiiwolf - 2/24/2009, 7:24 PM
I think you said "James Franco" too many time for it to not be creepy...jk

Yes, reprise the role. Does he have to turn out like Lex Luthor for Superman because he's the main villain? No. BUT, it would definitely to be nice to see him again along the same lines of the sadistic psychopath he should be. With some comical madness strewn in for the kiddies >=).

As to who should play him. That's kind of a tough call, it would have to depend on what type of film they're going with. We'd all like him to have the same feel as TDK, so for that I'd have to go (again) Raplh Fiennes. He's golden for a role like The Joker. Johnny Depp gets enough screen time as it is, PLUS, it's Johnny Depp. Really? As the Joker? No thank you.

Perhaps Bill Moseley, he played Otis in "House of 1000 Corpses" and "The Devil's Rejects". Justa thought...
I think it's kind of a tough role to fill. I liked Jack, even though he and Samuel L. only play themselves (I like both very much by the way) Heath was phenomenal, and the first time I read about him as the choice I said "Really? Heath Ledger?! I like the guys movies but, as The Joker, I'm not so sure about that." Oh how wrong I was because he pulled it off wonderfully.

Whomever they may cast, I hope it'sa great role filled by a great actor. Whether known or not, whoever gets that spot needs to do an exceptional job.
IonParallax - 2/24/2009, 9:59 PM
I always thought Crispin Glover would be a good Joker. He's got the exaggerated features (I.E. nose and long face) and he's good at playing creepy characters (Willard), so I can see him as a slightly less manic version of the Joker. Or maybe Alan Rickman. Plus it would not be following Legers Joker, which, not matter how great it was, I don't think people would allow out of respect for him.

As for Mad Hatter, Timothy Spall (Peter Pettigrew from the Harry Potter movies) would be a perfect Hatter. Just check him out in Sweeny Todd as Beadle Bamford and you'll see what I mean). He could do Penguin too.

For Riddler, as I said before, David Hyde Pierce would be a great smarmy riddler, while Depp could definately pull off a more demented turn (which would be better for the series)

Mr. Freeze, obviously Patrick Stewart or Ben Kingsly. He would have to be cold and detatched, not the stupid freeze in Batman and Robin. Unfortunately hes not 'real' enough for the series as Nolan envisioned so I doubt they'll use him.

Catwoman, Angelina Jolie would be perfect. Period.
Shadowelfz - 2/24/2009, 10:02 PM
Ahhhh sh1t sounds like i,m missing out on some supermike/ AKA christian bales pool boy fun.
Brilliant supermike quoting a wrestling slogan. I would expect no more coming from one who sniffs bales swim trunks for a living.
I was not aware that you are a better person than anybody here. What criteria did you use to come up with that useless tidbit of information? Because the general consensus in here is that
(1) supermike is a complete tool
(2) Ledger was deserving of his Oscar
(3) supermike should really stop sniffing bales swim trunks, its rotting your tiny brain.
scarface - 2/25/2009, 6:19 AM
I don't get how he won. Well, okay I do, he's dead. That's the ONLY reason he got the Oscar for such a sorry performance as the Joker. He pissed all over the character, and even if he hadn't, his acting WAS NOT THAT GOOD! I say that he finally became tolerable about halfway through TDK. But I'm sure Ledgers rotting corpse will be forever grateful for an award that he wouldn't have been nominated for if he was still alive.
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 8:24 AM
SenorLar - your comment was a little harsh. If you didn't like Ledger's performance, just say so - there's no need to slam the man after he's gone (your last sentence was a bit over the top... have a LITTLE respect, please!)
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 8:52 AM
Well, I'm pretty sure that he wont be offended by it.
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 9:20 AM
A Little over the top SenorLar.
How do some guys become so cynical, the man is dead.
Most people in here believe he deserved the oscar and some don,t and that's fine but a few come out with completely moronic statements .
TDK was one of the biggest hits of the year and there is no coincidence that every actor involved was a big part of it. Ledger finally gave us a joker that was not dancing around like a fool, he gave us a darker demented joker
scarface - 2/25/2009, 9:34 AM
Yeah, he gave us a Joker that has next to nothing to do with the actual character, woot! And don't give me tht crap about hm being based on the original Joker unless you've actually read those issues. Then you would see that even that comment is bullshit. As for being respectful, who the hell are you to judge? If it was some random guy who died, no one would care, but NOOO, it's HEATH F'N LEDGER!! I enjoyed Knights Tale, but that doesn't make me want to jump on the internet and defend the virtues of a dead junkie. How do guys like me become cynical? Because of character raping performances like Ledgers (and lets face it, Bales Batman voice is laughable), that rape our childhood all in the name of 'being different'. Well, if they didn't want a Joker, that y'know, ACTED LIKE THE JOKER, pick a different character!!! Although if Ledgers part in this movie was of 'Random Guy In Background #2', I'm sure a million people would still be going off about how his wordless performance carried the entire picture or some bullcrap. Instead, he turns the Joker into an anarchist who isn't really an anarchist. WTF???
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 9:48 AM
Uh, actually SenorLar, I WOULD care if it were some random guy and not Heath - not only becasue of my spiritual beliefs, but because it's proper thing to do... It's called 'respect', 'tact' and 'decorum'.

I get it - you didn't like his interpretation of the Joker. As a comic book fan with a preconceived expectation of how the character would/should be played out, it must have been dissapointing to see Ledger take it in a completely different direction. But may I remind you, that was his choice (there are different types of 'crazy' in this world, and Nolan agreed with Heath's direction). It was a gamble, and it obviously paid off 'cause Ledger was awarded the Oscar. Did his untimely death play a part in the Academy's decision - maybe, who knows? The point is he won... SHUT UP AND DEAL WITH IT!
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 10:00 AM
I see, I am only allowed to have opinions if they agree with the majority. Nice. It's funny that way, actually. I don't see people getting bitched at for loving his shitastic performance, but when someone dislikes it, WHOAH LORDY!!! And yeah, I'm disrespectful of the dead junkie, so the hell what? Does that hurt you on a personal level? If so, get a [frick]ing life. Although you kind of contradict yourself a little, as you now don't give a damn that he's dead so long as he won the precious Oscar. Good on ya, nice to see that your priorities are straight. There are different types of crazy, I agree. And Joker is one type, Two-Face is a type, hell, look at Hannibal Lecter. I guess though, that with people like you, Lecter would still be cool even if he, say, wore makeup, a purple suit, and had lethal gags. But that'd be okay, because he'd still be crazy, right?
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 10:24 AM
Ledgers Joker was influenced by Moores The Killing Joke..and a bit of Jim Starlins in there too..if you have read those comics and dont see that well its your choice to be obtuse about it. Also, you completely have the right to disrespect the dead as you have, but i also have the right to call you a worthless piece of garbage for doing so...freedom of speech is a wonderful thing eh asshole?
Rorschach01 - 2/25/2009, 10:35 AM
This is true, you do. I wouldn't take that right away from anyone. Damn that hurt, y'know, the part where you called me an asshole? Brutal. I think that the originality you've shown me in that last post was the most moving and emotional thing I've ever read. I think you should get an award for writing. Oh wait, you're alive, so instead I can point out that Alan Moore is a piece of shit, and The Killing Joke was lame and has little to do with Ledgers performance. So, I guess I'm being obtuse by not seeing something that isn't there. Well done, my friend.
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 10:44 AM
Ok i have to ask since you dont like Alan Moore or The Killing Joke, which writers and stories do you like?
Rorschach01 - 2/25/2009, 10:48 AM
SenorLar - you're allowed to have opinions, it's just the WAY you're expressing them that invites hostility as a response. You've got a problem with Ledger's performance and you don't like Alan Moore or 'The Killing Joke' - we get that. State the reasons why (in a rational manner) and we all can discuss them (on a different thread). But to come on a thread specifically designed to pay tribute to Ledger and his accomplishments and make comments like "Ledgers rotting corpse will be forever grateful for an award that he wouldn't have been nominated for if he was still alive," just paints a huge bullseye on the back of your head for everyone to take shots at. Remember - 'tact', 'respect' and 'decorum'... unless you're doing this to deliberately (like supermike) to only get a rise out of people, in which case I say the gloves come off...
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 10:52 AM
Im pretty sure hes just a troll, granted hes a bit more articulate than out usual calibre! But not even supermike would have the gaul to say what he said about another human being. Hes just trying to get a rise, and as i pointed out, just another asshole
Rorschach01 - 2/25/2009, 11:12 AM
SenorLar is just pissed that there were no rubber nippled. He's a Schumacher queen, upset that Katie Holmes didn't make the sequel cut. Back to Dawson's Creek, Senior Schumacher. We would gladly fetch you an award if only you would kill yourself. A nice, urine soaked head stone.
BillyBlack - 2/25/2009, 11:18 AM
Alright. I'd also like to clarify a couple things too. One, I don't think Alan Moore is a good writer, but that isn't to say that he hasn't written anything good. Watchmen was very good, although I did have issues with it, as was the first 3/4 of V For Vendetta, which kinda fell apart after that. And, I figured I would cut everyone off at the pass by stating that I'm not a troll or flamer, and haven't personally attacked anybody, and all I've done is state my personal opinion, unlike you. I'm guessing this is because you couldn't come up with a more compelling argument that the generic HEATH ROOLZ LOLOLOL!!!!! crap that most everyone does. So, in no particular order, I now present Señor Lars list of writers he likes:

1) Chuck Dixon- mostly for his Batman work, Dixon is one of the best action comic writer I've ever read. He doesn't forget characterization, is great with dialogue, and always keeps the story from getting stagnant (my biggest argument against Allan Moore).

2) Scott Beatty- Pretty much the same reasons. Read his and Dixons Nightwing: Year One

3)Ed Brubaker- Was never really a fan of his when he was writing for the Bat-comics, but his run on Captain America is awesome.

This is harder than I thought, because I don't go all fanboy on writers. If it's good, I like it. Dixon is probably the only writer where I'll buy a comic because his name is on it, because he's consistently good and never overly serious. A lot of writers seem to forget that they are writing about dudes in tights.

Hmm, I like Peter Lard as a sci-fi writer, I enjoyed Kevin Smiths runs on Green Arrow and Daredevil. Some of Frank Millers stuff is pretty good. TDKR and Sin City in particular. I think DK2 was underrated. I think the past few years of Ghost Rider have been entertaining. I disliked all of DC's events starting with Identity Crisis, with the exception of Infinite Crisis. I thought Civil War and World War Hulk were good. Thats a good start.
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 11:21 AM
Wow, reading these other posts, it's a good thing that I did write that stuff about not being a troll. Like I said, I never had the unoriginality to start with personal insults like some of you. All that happened was that a bunch of people stated bitching at me for having a different opinion. As for 'loganoneil', I see your point and agree to a point. I'm not usually as sensitive to a lot of things most people are, like dead celebrities apparently. So I can see your point. I definitely am not out to start shit, nor should I be shit on for having a different opinion. And in all honesty, the 'rotting corpse' line made me laugh when I thought of it, so I had to include it :P
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 11:29 AM
See Ror - apparently SenorLar isn't as much of a troll as you thought (I agree with most of your writer picks and think that DK2 WAS under-rated). And for the record, I didn't go all all fanboy on Ledger with "... the generic HEATH ROOLZ LOLOLOL!!!!! crap...". I think his interpretation was a bold one - not one commonly expected for the Joker, which made it compelling. Whether or not it was 'right' is subject to the viewer's percetion, but I thought (in the greater context of the film) it worked brilliantly and he deserved the nomination and award.
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 11:31 AM
And I will respect your opinion. I just watch Jack Nicholson and dream of what could have been is all...
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 11:33 AM
Um, SenorLar I wasn't too impressed with Jack's performance in the original 'Batman'. Don't take this as a slam, but in my opinion Jack was just being 'JACK'. In many respects, he played it safe, whereas I was expecting Jack's Joker to be "JACK" on steriods. He could/should have gone a LOT father with that role on the 'edginess' (is that a word?). I thought Jack was just acting 'crazy' (typical 'Jack'), whereas I was expecting 'homicidal' (loved the 'Bob... gun.' scene though!). Personal preference, I guess...
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 11:38 AM
I will say that FOR IT'S TIME, the original 'Batman' was sheer genius. It showed the movie studios that a PROPER comic-book movie could be done AND be (extremely) profitable. Without it, all that we have today would not exist and we'd still be stuck with crap like 'Steel' and 'Nick Fury: Agent of SHIELD'...
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 11:50 AM
Apparently "I never had the unoriginality to start with personal insults" doesn't include his comments about the actual subject of the article. You call Ledger a dead junkie then stroke Nicholson off. Talk about hypocritical. Do you have any idea how many drugs Jack Nicholson has taken? I saw a photo of him only 3 years ago with cocaine caked all over his nostril. And this was at a film opening, not in his back yard. If you want people to be respectful of your opinion, be respectful WITH your opinion.

So, since you were happy to shit all over someone's memory with your toadish comments, who did you think deserved the best supporting actor Oscar this year?
BillyBlack - 2/25/2009, 11:53 AM
Billy - SenorLar is willing to play nice. Can't we all just chalk this up to one big misunderstanding and go from there? He's obviously not here just to cause trouble (unlike 'bizarromike'). He has an valid opinion, but the message was just misinterpreted...
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 11:55 AM
Okay your not a troll!...still a bit of a dick though! ..but since your willing to at least contribute something ill converse civilly. Im not too familiar with Dixon...he tends to write characters in not that into..although i believe he wrote Midnighter for a while. I also liked Brubakers work on The Authority..but im mainly into Miller, Gaiman, Claremont and yes Moore!..i think the guys a genius..for Swamp Thing alone..factor in Watchmen and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and hes probably my favorite writer..seems like a bit of a tool though
Rorschach01 - 2/25/2009, 12:10 PM
I just find it odd when people come out guns blazing, then try to play the victim.

I have no problem with differing opinion's, in fact, that's half the fun of this forum. But would SenorLar be willing to walk up to Ledger's daughter and tell her what a junkie POS he thinks her father was? He may be a dead celebrity, but there was a person in there too. Say what you want, if you don't think he deserved the nod, that's fine. But what I haven't heard is any of these detractors express their opinion on who actually should have won. Funny how they seem to have no response for that, cause that would be a real debate worth having.
BillyBlack - 2/25/2009, 12:10 PM

@SenorLar
You're entitled to your opinion, I respect it and your right to have it but the reason you got attacked was because it seemed like you came in looking for a fight. Simple as that.

BTW I agree with you about Bale's Batman voice. I think it's freaking horrible and I can't believe more people don't complain about it.

Have you ever seen this:

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Pretty much sums up Bale's "scary" Batman voice lol.
alten2345 - 2/25/2009, 1:26 PM
I'm sick of people saying that their opinion is as valid as everyone else's and that they are only being critisized because they don't agree with the majority. Its the way you express your opinion in a dickish way that pisses people off. I could care less when a celebrity dies because people die everyday, but I don't rip on the dead on an internet post. No offense, SenorLar, you've proven that your not a giant douce. It's just the trolls that piss me off.

Alan Moore is a major tool, but I thought it was hilarious when he did his own voice for the Simpsons and made fun of himself.
ElBeaster - 2/25/2009, 1:29 PM
lmao..that was good. in fairness he was totally understandable in the movie..just a bit over the top, but i got used to it
Rorschach01 - 2/25/2009, 1:31 PM
i am on your side 4 that alten that bale batman voice sucks me i like Val Kilmer batman voice.
OptimusPrime2009 - 2/25/2009, 1:41 PM
Wow, a few posts since I last checked. I found a couple things worth addressing. One, that video was [frick]ing funny. Two, I wouldn't weep for Jack Nicholson if he overdosed, I'd rip on him as well, so no, I'm not a hypocrite. Three, yes, I'm a dick, welcome to the internet. Four, yes I'd have no problem telling Heaths daughter that her dad was a junkie, when she was old enough to deal with it. He was a father, but didn't give a damn and did his stupid ass drugs anyway. Look where it got him. And look at his poor kid, you think she's even able to begin to grasp that her father cared more about doing drugs than he did about her? But I digress, it seems to be okay to rip on celebs when they are alive, but not after they die from a drug overdose, leaving there kids without fathers. And yeah, Allan Moore on the Simpsons was pretty funny. Oh yeah, my pick for who SHOULD have one the Oscar? Josh Brolin.
SenorLar - 2/25/2009, 1:49 PM
@ SenorLar

You like being on a soapbox don't ya? ;)
alten2345 - 2/25/2009, 1:58 PM
Easy enough to just say Josh Brolin.

Why Brolin? What about his performance was more deserving above all the others? What do you know about Dan White, other than what you've seen in the film? Have you ever read anything on the topic? Not to be a dick, just trying to see what frame of reference you have.

I personally don't think you would actually talk that crap to his daughter, no matter how old she is. Like you said, this is the internet and talk is cheap. If you would, than I'm giving you more credit than you deserve.

Your drug stance is pretty militant, you must not be a very big fan of music. 90% of hollywood is either on, or has been on drugs. Half the house wives on your block are probably taking what killed Ledger anyway. I could understand your logic if he died with a needle in his arm, but a accidental prescription sleeping pill OD? C'man bro, druggie is a reach.
BillyBlack - 2/25/2009, 2:06 PM
I can understand Brolin - in fact I thought it was going to be neck-and-neck between the two. His performance was BRILLIANT, totally believable, and the PERFECT antagonist to Sean Penn's Harvey Milk.

As for the whole "He was a father, but didn't give a damn and did his stupid ass drugs anyway" comment, I've got to say that you're making a LOT of assumptions with that remark. Who's to say that Heath didn't love his daughter? Just because he accidentally OD'ed on sleeping pills doesn't mean anything of the sort, and Billy brings up a good point - there's a BIG difference between dying "with a needle in his arm" versus an "accidental prescription sleeping pill OD".
loganoneil - 2/25/2009, 2:13 PM
As many times as I saw TDK, I kept looking for Heath under the make-up, but all I could ever see was The Joker. THAT is the sign of a brilliant performance, when you can no longer see the "actor" for the "role."

Kudos, Heath! We just wish you had been around to receive the award yourself...
KFMDallas - 2/27/2009, 9:35 AM

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