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UPDATE 5: Batman 3 Rumor Rundown

A review of the news and rumors surrounding the possible sequel to The Dark Knight!

A third chapter in the revamped Batman franchise is probably one of the most highly-anticipated films in comic book movie history. In spite of this, or perhaps because of it, it is also one of the most discussed, rumored about and debated films, as well. To cut through the confusion (or add to it, depending upon how you look at it), here's a compilation of the news and rumors fanning the debates.

Will Christopher Nolan return to direct?

YES Batman on Film (February 2009)

"According to three separate BOF sources, director Christopher Nolan’s recent deal with Warner Bros. for the film INCEPTION, at least includes an agreement between the studio and the acclaimed director to helm his second sequel to BATMAN BEGINS."

MAYBE Christian "Batman" Bale (April 2009)

"Will we do a third movie? It's got to be the right story. You can't make something like The Dark Knight and then come out with something disappointing.

"I would like it if people say, 'You'll never make a good third movie.' I say, 'OK, let's make a third movie in that case, let's prove them wrong. But that's just me. The fact is, I have to! I've signed up! Chris doesn't. So I'm in a bit of a fix if he says he doesn't want to!"

MAYBE Christopher Nolan Representative (February 2009)

"He is doing Inception next. We haven't announced any deal or anything on the next Batman as that is all speculation."

YES Gary "Commissioner Gordon" Oldman (July 2009)

"[Yes,] but you didn't hear that from me."


YES (SOMEDAY) Gary Oldman (July 2009)

"Well, I'm sure they want to do another one... it might 2 or 3 years..."

YES (MAYBE) David S. Goyer (June 2009)

"Well, I believe he said if we can find the story that he's happy with, that he would return. And unfortunately, respecting Chris… You know, talk to him after he finishes Inception, which he's shooting right now. That just started shooting.

You know, we've been talking [about story ideas]."

NO (MAYBE) Michael "Alfred" Caine (November 2009)

"As for the future... if they ever make another Batman I will be in, I will be the butler..."

"But I don't know if they are ever going to make another Batman. If they do it won't be for quite a while."

YES Morgan "Lucius Fox" Freeman (December 2009)

"I know—I just know—that Chris is working on number three. He couldn't possibly not be."

UPDATE 5: YES (Well, his brother is, so...) Deadline Hollywood (February 2010)

"Now FlashForward showrunner David Goyer has left with 5 episodes still to shoot. Of course, Goyer's feature career is really heating up, since he co-wrote Batman Begins, and penned the story for The Dark Knight, and is now writing the third Batman installment with Chris Nolan's brother Jonah."

Will we see Two-Face and The Scarecrow again?

Aaron "Two-Face" Eckhart (September 2009)

"If Chris called me, I would certainly do it.

As far as I'm concerned, my character's dead. I've sort of just gone on with my life. I don't have any expectations of being in the next Dark Knight, if there is a Dark Knight. I have no knowledge of one.

I would do anything for Chris. If Chris wanted me to ... I don't know, bring his tea or something like that, I would do it. I had such a good time making that movie, and he's such a great filmmaker."


Cillian "Scarecrow" Murphy (October 2009)

"I hope they make a third one. I think The Dark Knight was one of the greatest films.

[But, Nolan and I] don’t talk about those things. It's out of my control.

"[The Dark Knight is] one of the greatest blockbuster mainstream movies. If anyone can match that or top that it’s Chris. Fingers crossed."


Who will play the villains?

Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Phillip Seymor Hoffman as The Penguin


Michael Caine (September 2008)

"When Christopher said we were going to do The Dark Knight next, I didn't what that meant in Batman terms. I said, 'What's the story?' and he said The Joker. I said, 'Oh, s--t! How are you going to top Jack [Nicholson]?' He said, 'Well, I've cast Heath Ledger. And I went 'Ha! I couldn't top Jack, but if anyone could, maybe Heath could.' And he did.

"I was with [a Warner Bros.] executive and I said, 'Are we going to make another one?' They said yeah. I said, 'How the hell are we going to top Heath? And he says 'I'll tell you how you top Heath -- Johnny Depp as The Riddler and Philip Seymour Hoffman as The Penguin.' I said, 'S--t, they've done it again!'"

Johnny Depp (June 2009)

"I'd definitely juggle it."

Michael Caine (September 2009)

"There is nobody, there's no script, there's nothing. It can't possibly be made before 2011 because Inception is such a big picture.

"Johnny Depp is great in anything, but there is no Johnny Depp in this Batman. They tell me in no uncertain terms."



UPDATE 1: Dane Cook as The Riddler

Dane Cook (November 2009)

"If they brought back The Riddler — a new Riddler the way they did with The Joker — that would be badass. I would do that.

"When they were making the new one and they were doing The Joker, I always thought it [should be] kind of like The Crow — having that dark element but still comedic. It would probably have to be something in that vein, even though I think what Heath Ledger did with the Joker was the greatest comic book villain ever."

UPDATE 2: David Tennant as The Riddler

David Tennant (December 2009)

"I probably should be [playing The Riddler]. But, you'd think my agent would have mentioned something if it was true."

UPDATE 3: Sienna Miller as Catwoman

Sienna Miller (January 2010)

"[I would like to play] Catwoman. I actually love Catwoman. I just think the idea of being half-cat and half-woman is a great kind of villain-esque persona. It's the age-old thing of a femme fatale."


UPDATE 4: Will Batman 3 even happen?

Morgan "Lucius Fox" Freeman (February 2010)

"Well... I always say, now I've been asked this question a number of times, and I don't think that Warner Brothers... the board of directors... the chairman or the president... or any of those people are stupid.

"Which means there's going to be another Batman movie.

"Now, [my involvement is] not carved in stone. We'll only know that when the script is written and the same guy's writing the third script, if there is to be one."
114 Yes
8 No
Brent Sprecher
2/7/2010

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211 Comments

Yeah i agree Depp as Riddler and Hoffman as Penguin BUT Hoffman already said he wouldn't do it for fear of screwing up the character. It would be an EPIC movie thought.
DTLSinger - 11/14/2009, 9:10 PM
cool. hope they do it i know it'll be hard to top.



gambitfreak - 11/14/2009, 9:12 PM
The Dark Knight was a modern masterpiece but that doesn't mean the next one won't be, da Vinci made one masterpiece after the other, I would bet anything that Nolan can do the same! Here's hoping that they find the right story and find the best villain for the role, maybe Bane and The Riddler or just one of them.
WEAPON420 - 11/14/2009, 9:17 PM
I have no doubt that as long as they keep Goyer and Nolan involved, it will be epic. It's really hard to compare one movie to another and I'm not concerned if the third one "tops" TDK or not, just as long as it's good.

I think it's funny that Michael Caine, who has one of the smallest--though no less important--role of Alfred is the one who does the most talking about it.

Johnny Depp as the Riddler? Helz, yeah, I would pay to wach that movie!
Bijous - 11/14/2009, 9:22 PM
Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were amazing films. But I'm ready for the wheels to start turning on a future JLA movie. Nolan's version of the Batman mythology is too reality based to fit into a movie with Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter. I say leave Nolan's movies alone and wait to showcase a new Bats in JLA.

The same goes for Superman. General movie going audiences already know Supes and Bats' origin stories so no need for re-boots. Just leave those characters be until JLA.

@Brent: Did you HAVE to put that Bat suit pic up there? God I hate that thing.


MultiPurposePoni - 11/14/2009, 9:31 PM
I agree with Multi, except I think they should do a Superman reboot, and incorporate that Superman into the JL film. Create a new Batman for the new DC film universe.

Hopefully Nolan returns and we see an amazing finish to an amazing Bat-trilogy. Here's hoping!

And David Tennant for the Riddler ;) Couldn't resist.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/14/2009, 9:36 PM
My love for comics has only grown since seeing Nolan's Batman series. He knows how to put just the right spin to each major character. To watch another Dark Knight film would make me jump for joy. Plus, to see Depp in the role of the Riddler... EPIC WIN!!!
@WEAPON420- Nice name and avatar. :D
I agree with all of the above, except for Bane... Batman and Robin kind of killed it for me. He is a good villian, but only if he is portrayed as he was in the comic or in the animated series. Smart, strong, psychotic, and Evil to the core. That is the only way it will work.
Magicfingers - 11/14/2009, 9:42 PM
@Multi: That's the costume, bro, can't change that. But, if Nolan wants to go "realistic" with the films, he should consider using the suit from Batman: Dead End:


Brent Sprecher - 11/14/2009, 9:51 PM
@Brent: I know, I know. It's just such an eye sore to me.

Nice choice, though! That's the Goddamn Batman I want to see!
MultiPurposePoni - 11/14/2009, 9:53 PM
@Multi: Tell me you've seen Batman: Dead End!

If not...


Brent Sprecher - 11/14/2009, 9:57 PM
I hope they do another Batman, and have all the people they need back
Instantclassic - 11/14/2009, 9:58 PM
I too am tired of the super-armored Batman costume.

They really should make the costume more like the comics. It's awesome without being overly complex.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/14/2009, 9:58 PM
@Brent: Oh hell yeah! Only problem is I can't seem to find a copy of it or World's Finest that I can burn to DVD :(

@Tyler: Thank you! People tend to forget that Batman always wears pliable, woven body armor under this suit. There's no need to showcase it on the outside, it actually takes away from his dark and mysterious persona.

Keaton needed the padded latex suit because he wasn't a physically imposing figure. Bale is stacked; therefore, no need for all that crap.

Oh, and another thing. Did anyone else hate seeing Bruce so eager and willing to give up the Batman persona once Harvey Dent showed up in TDK? WTF was that? Your parents were murdered, you've trained to fight injustice your whole life, and you're cool giving it all up. . . for a chick?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/14/2009, 10:07 PM
Multi: Totally agree on both accounts. Batman's whole shtick is being scary as f*ck, but doing it with the simplest of terms. It makes him that much more dark and mysterious if he doesn't rely on super-complex armor and uses a subtler approach.

I did think it was unrealistic for him to basically want to quit when Dent came strolling through. They made such a huge deal about Bruce wanting to be Gotham's symbol and "ever-lasting" yet, as soon as he sees someone other than him improving Gotham, he's like, "This guy's got it covered, I quit."
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/14/2009, 10:13 PM
@MultiPurposePoni- OH GOD, YES! Weak willed... that is not the Bruce Wayne I know. No matter how good things are, there is always some form of street scum for the Bat to take care of.
Magicfingers - 11/14/2009, 10:15 PM
@Tyler/Magic: I think when most people list all the things they disliked about Nolan's Batman movies, they forget about that part. And it's a damn important thing Nolan got wrong.

The thing about a JLA movie is that it would give Batman the chance to be. . well. . kind of a d*ck. He's the guy they depend on for intel and meticulous planning, but he's not a nice guy about it. He even shows alot of disdain toward Hal Jordan. I always liked the fact that he doesn't play well with others, he's the polar opposite to Superman's 'boyscout'.

You can't showcase that side of his persona well without adding other superheroes for him to play off of.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/14/2009, 10:18 PM
@WEAPON420

Love your avatar
SHHH - 11/14/2009, 10:22 PM
I would love to see a d*ckish Batman in JL, just like in the animated series. That show nailed it. Too bad they didn't show the Batman/Hal Jordan angle though, that would have been great.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/14/2009, 10:23 PM
@Multi & Tyler- I agree with you about the 'BAD GUY' persona. Batman and Superman are like two sides of the same coin. One dark and beaten, the other sunny and strong. It's a must have if you want the two to share the same screen.
I really don't think that there was that much error in Nolan's Batman films. I've learned to take my comic movies with a grain of salt and not to expect much in way of "Authenticity", but Nolan did a great job (IMO).
Magicfingers - 11/14/2009, 10:34 PM
@SHHH- Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah... BATDOG! LOL
Magicfingers - 11/14/2009, 10:36 PM
Magic: I agree man. Nolan's movies are some of my favorite of all time. But, even I have to admit when he strayed from the comics at points. It doesn't change the quality of them for me.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/14/2009, 10:41 PM
@Tyler- True. May they find their way back to the path BEFORE they make a sequel.
Magicfingers - 11/14/2009, 10:47 PM
@Magicfingers and @SHHH, thank you for diggin my avatar!!

also @Magicfingers, I know what you mean and I think Bane should be portrayed the same way as the animated series or if its the last Batman for Nolan they could do an unexpected turn at the end where they take the story from Batman:Knightfall, Part 1 Broken Bat and show Bane crippling the Bat, just a thought, it'd be interesting to see since they make the movies darker than the last.
WEAPON420 - 11/14/2009, 11:09 PM
Batman Dead end is a hell of a thing. It's how I want to see Batman portrayed in film, the costume and attitude. Clark Bartram was Batman in Worlds finest as well, which was also great, thank god for fan-films, you know? sometimes they're better in spirit and feel than actualy movies.

Trivia: the fella who played Joker in Dead End is Andrew Koenig, Walter Koenig's (Chekov's) son. He was "Boner" on Growing Pains.
gtrman - 11/14/2009, 11:21 PM
Oh yeah, DEAD END cool!!

And thanx for the heads up!! Its great having all the facts/updates/rumors all in the one articles, kudos @ BRENT!

; )
LEEE777 - 11/15/2009, 12:54 AM
they should wait a couple of years and the follow the dark knight returns story line, thats the way to end the 3 movies.
PhillyHulk - 11/15/2009, 1:28 AM
hey CMB! can i change my email status just cuz its time to be light as a feather?

GTRMAN- C. Bartram ? i mean who else is ther , really?! his last name almost spells BatMan! I love BatMan DeadEnd! Your spirit quote is right as rain. and you are right about the "Boner"

And it is true about BatMan being a wrecking ball of Societies ill... but he is studied and usually he is kind of a socialist. which i admire. He pursues the actual participation of the people to change the world and own it as they see fit. Too much more and he becomes a Dictator. As it stands he has more in common with those poets i cant stand than he does with some militaristic Munch wad who is simply following orders. Thats why he thinks Hal is simply just Hal Jordan , but Bruce Wayne as the BatMan is sooooo much more. Saying that Hal is the Green Lantern Where as Bruce is not the BatMan and always sees through to the truth of the matter. Bruce is the true power of the Bat.
shibazz - 11/15/2009, 1:33 AM
Zero1 has something genericly negative to say
Zero1 - 11/15/2009, 2:16 AM
like I do
Zero1 - 11/15/2009, 2:19 AM
WEAPON @ Diggin' your AVATAR too dude!!
LEEE777 - 11/15/2009, 2:44 AM
Im with Multi/Tyler@ especialy with the god damn suit.......please get rid of the H.R Giger Lego look, hell if Sigourney Weaver saw him she'd kick his nuts :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 4:03 AM
God, I want Sigourney Weaver to kick me in the nuts. Do you think all I need is the suit, teabag?

@Shibazz: Batman doesn't like Hal Jordan because Hal is about courage and light, while Batman is a about fear and darkness. Like John Stewart said in Green Lantern: Rebirth, 'Hal Jordan is the man without fear and what is the Batman once you take away fear? Hal doesn't buy what Batman is selling.'
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 5:06 AM
I thank god they decided to go with the armour costume instead of the 'kill-me-easily-with-a-bullet-spandex' costume in dead end

you lot hate it but atleast it doesnt change the fact that they are sticking to it (phew sigh of relief)

the early batman series costume was spandex and that worked...for that era. The 'see my nipples and firm buttox' custume was laughable. But the up to date armour version nailed it in my oppinion. To have spandex nowadays is to halloween and campy

so bring on Batman 3!
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 5:37 AM
i just want to see the cave again and see wayne and fox build a new batmobile. a custom badass car.


grif - 11/15/2009, 5:44 AM
@Living Weapon: Yep, about as campy as a guy dressing up as a giant bat :)

Why does everyone always immediately jump on the 'NO TO spandex bandwagon'?

I haven't heard ANYONE say they want to see Batman in spandex, we just want to see the suit he's worn in the comics and animated series portrayed accurately on screen. Why even mention spandex?
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 5:44 AM
loool @multi

but HOW campy should it be? :)
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 5:47 AM
@multi

only bcuz someone said they want it done like 'dead end' which was good but to take the costume seriously? i like TDK for its realism and beliveability, the reason why i HATE spandex with an extreme passion is that it reminds me of a kickass or defendor movie which is a comedy not a serious comicbook movie thats all.

ok make the suit look more like the movies just no rubber or spandex
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 6:00 AM
Wow Michael Caine is kind of a hope killer.
Watchtower31 - 11/15/2009, 6:02 AM
@Living Weapon: How about Neoprene?



Or Nomex?



Or Ripstop?



Any of these material s would work well for a Batsuit. Like I said before, Batman always wears pliable, woven body armor under this suit. There's no need to showcase it on the outside, it actually takes away from his dark and mysterious persona.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 6:17 AM
@mulit
Neoprene? hell no iz just a diff kinda spandex lool

however nomex looks good an i like the idea of armour underneath..thats why i hated spandex ~(well apart from the campy look of it)

point made multi
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 6:24 AM
Personally, I don't want to see The Riddler in a Batman movie. There are other Bat-Villains I would rather see introduced, especially as there is no guarantee of a fourth film.

I like the idea of Penguin, the new gang boss. I'd like Catwoman, as a cat burglar, perhaps knocking off The Penguins goods. Plus with Batman out to ruin old beak nose, he hires his own 'assassin' to take out The Bat and The Cat. And that assassin could be a number of people; Bane, Deadshot. Or Deathstroke? Even Lady Shiva.

Instead of Penguin you could use Black Mask, should you want to (why would you want to? I dunno, some people have an affinity for some weird characters). Have Killer Croc as Penguins/Masks henchman. Not a big part in the film, just a nod to the fans and the character, like Mr Zsasz.

Gang warfare for control of Gotham? Two sides (Black Mask and Penguin) both fighting for control?

I wish they'd introduced Tommy Elliot in the first film as a childhood friend of Bruces. Pffft...


hush - 11/15/2009, 6:27 AM
Why are you guys talkin' about this? Lol shouldn't you be excited there is even rumors to post about?

I think his suit was awesomey awesome :)
Fartman - 11/15/2009, 6:28 AM
@fartman

its how we show our xcitement lol
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 6:30 AM
@ hush ­ yes finally someone mentions deathstroke!

Personally I don't want to see riddler or catwoman or any other villin we have already seen on film. Deathstoke is the perfect villin for the job. He would fit well in the nolanverse and would push batmans fighting and detective skills to the limit
comicboyV1 - 11/15/2009, 6:45 AM
firefly and black mask...maybe the mad hatter...no riddler...no cat....no penguin as yet
Anil Rickly - 11/15/2009, 6:53 AM
There are just a lot of great batman villins who are good enough for a movie that are always getting left undone. Besides if any batvillin needs a shot at being rebooted its poor mr.freeze I mean come on he got more screwed then any of the others combined
comicboyV1 - 11/15/2009, 7:05 AM
@Living Weapon: Actually, Neoprene is a synthetic rubber whereas spandex is a synthetic fiber. Two completely mediums, my friend.

If you didn't know, neoprene is used for many tactical applications; from clothing to equipment. It would be my first choice of material for any superhero suit that's along the lines of Batman's.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 7:16 AM
@multi

ok im sorry professor poni loool
i meant how it looks not the type of material

I guesse you know about all that stuff cuz u served in the army? the closest thing to army i work in iz security so you beat me in rank......sir lol
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 7:24 AM
Multi: You would not walk up to the Undertaker and tell him he looks like a spazz in that spandex now would you?
And the fact that Batman needs to be somewhat nimble (being a martial artist and escape artist and all), spandex is certainly much easier and lighter than all that body armour.
6of13 - 11/15/2009, 7:26 AM
@Living Weapon: No need to apologize. Don't you think it's just kind of silly for you to make a statement when you don't have any information about the topic?

BTW, private security isn't even close to being in the military. Sorry.

@6of13: First off, do you think I'm actually defending the new body armor suits he's wearing? If you do, you might want to re-read my comments.

Second, I don't know who the Undertaker is.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 7:28 AM
Actually, I am supporting the idea of a spandex/neoprene costume. Not deriding it.
6of13 - 11/15/2009, 7:35 AM
The old 80's shiny spandex as we know it, doesn't work period. Whatever the new material is that they used for the Spider Man and Superman movies worked fantastically. Spidey and Supes costumes are just under Captain Americas for most difficult to not look gay, and they pulled it off. As awsome as thier costumes are in the comics, they are almost impossible to make believable on film, and yet it happened.
Ok, I'm sorry, Wolverines' yellow and blue would be the hardest. Though his classic brown costume would look pretty baddass and completely believable in leather.
Hawksblueyes - 11/15/2009, 7:40 AM
@multi no disrespect but i realy dont care what type of material it is, if it has that spandex 'look' i hate it, i care neither what the fibres are it just looks campy.

and i was being sarcastic about being similar to the army maybe they way i type just doesnt do my sarcastic nature justice lool

Well all pointless bickering aside...they ain gunna change the armour so i'll b happy with the 3rd movie in that regard
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 7:49 AM
@ comicboyv1

yeah, Deathstroke would be top of my wish list. And I like the idea of Batman being hunted down, a role reversal for the character. And Deathstroke would be the best man for the job.

As much as I like Mr Freeze, I don't think he fits in with the Nolanverse. Kinda like Man-Bat.


hush - 11/15/2009, 7:52 AM
The biggest problem i have with the crappy Nolan costume is his Bobble head mask Look and the fact you cant see the Black Bat Symbol on his chest...there's a reason that thing is visible.....and if Nolan had any interest in the comics he'd know that reason and show it off :P
teabag - 11/15/2009, 7:59 AM


loool
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 8:05 AM
Teabag: Thank you....not long ago I was talking about how I didnt like the new batsuit nor the batmobile. It just looks like a black suit with a cowl and cape where's the bat shield? You cant mess with the superheroes shields it's part of how their identified...like someone stated earlier go with the Batman Deadend uniform .
BLADE4040 - 11/15/2009, 8:13 AM
Nolans Suite reminds me of that Powere Extreme cartoon :)

Blade@ damn right...imagine what Superman would look like if his S become unrecognisable.....and i know they changed the cowl for head movemend but do something with the bobble head look....and the nose peice is bigger than Hawkmans lol :P

Weapon@ You have to admit the Dead End costume looks better than that pic :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 8:13 AM
bat nipples LMFAO
Anil Rickly - 11/15/2009, 8:14 AM
That is the first time I've watched Dead End, very very cool, thanks for posting it Brent.
Hawksblueyes - 11/15/2009, 8:23 AM
A more faithful Batman costume doesn't automatically mean spandex.

Look at the Batman: Arkham Asylum costume, it was completely faithful to the comics, yet didn't look like spandex. It would look totally normal in a movie.


InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/15/2009, 9:24 AM
C'mon guys, if they could make a suit like this for the Flash TV series in the '90s, why can't they use a similar one for Batman?



That was one of the best damn live action superhero suits ever made!
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 9:40 AM
Multi---- I loved that show. I agree with you 100%, if they can do Flashes suit, Spideys suit and Supermans suit properly, which they have, just about any heroes suit is possible.
Hawksblueyes - 11/15/2009, 9:53 AM
that suit was a piece of crap
it was just proof that not all comicbook costumes can translate well to the screen
yuck!
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 9:58 AM
Weapon @ what would you prefere....a full red suite with red lightning symbol.....Nolans suite drained all recognition of the character :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 10:24 AM
I just cant believe that after all the money TDK mad, the critical accliam it recieved and the various awards it won that WB didnt get straight on with making a sequel! Still, I guess thats mainly down to Nolan's schedule.

Personally, I cant wait for the sequel and really hope that it isnt Nolan's last - he's crafted a brilliant universe and I'd hate to see it rushed into an end with the next movie!
JoshW - 11/15/2009, 10:27 AM
Josh@ i can wait......after 20 yrs of constant Batman movies.....i can wait :P
teabag - 11/15/2009, 10:30 AM
teabag---- I agree, while I wouldn't turn down a new Batman Movie,its been done. I would rather get a taste of some other hero we haven't seen yet. There are hundreds of cool heroes that could make great movies.Batman will never fizzle out ,they could wait a bit and come back to him and his character would be brand new all over again.
Hawksblueyes - 11/15/2009, 10:37 AM
Hawks@ exactly....there are so many other character im looking forward too and Batman is starting to feel stail :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 10:41 AM
I agree with both of you.

Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow, etc. They all deserve their own movies. At least Green Lantern is a start.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/15/2009, 10:50 AM
Why can't we just say that both the Batmen of TAS and TDK were awesome? I love the body armor suit in Nolan's Batman and the acrobat type suit in TAS. That costume worked in dead end because it seemed very much based on TAS. Comics have different iterations of characters; TV and movies can too.

@Hawksblueeyes: I agree with you. I hope Green Lantern is done right with a creative use of his powers rather than the ring being a glorified laser gun. I, also, wish Whedon would have stayed with Wonder Woman. And Gorilla Grodd in Flash.
Upupandaway - 11/15/2009, 11:17 AM
Brent, In Tyler, Multi, you are ridiculuos.
OSCURO - 11/15/2009, 11:36 AM
Johnny Depp as The Riddler is too predictable casting i rather want to see a under rated actor to play The Riddler instead of a high profile actor like Johnny Depp.

actors like Liam Neeson, Cillian Murphy, Heath Ledger, Aaron Eckhart all are under rated actors without the Hollywood star power marketing machine.
jazzman - 11/15/2009, 11:37 AM
OSCURO you are supermike.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 11:44 AM
Tyler got it right with the Arkum Asylum suit...
Minotauro - 11/15/2009, 12:16 PM
jazzman: "underrated actor"

Hmmmm, David Tennant!
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/15/2009, 12:22 PM
please no penguin. I like the idea of the police hiring the riddler to find out who batman is. and he becomes totally obsessed. maybe he goes to arkham to interview some inmates but scarecrow makes him nuts somehow. i don't see any good way to incorporate penguin. he just doesn't fit in the nolan batman universe.
lvlheaded - 11/15/2009, 12:24 PM
teabag: Lol, well this is technically only the third Batman movie I've waited for as I was only 7 when the last Batman film came out before Nolan's movies! :)

Anyway, why would they need to stop making Batman movies in order to start new franchises like The Flash or Wonder Woman? If Marvel Studios can make Iron Man 2, Thor and Captain America all at the same time then surely WB can make more than one DC movie at a time!?
JoshW - 11/15/2009, 12:46 PM
@Watchtower31: Yeah, Caine seems to get off on dropping the bad news.

@Hawks: You're welcome!

When the fans get behind a concept--in this case, The Riddler as the next villain--they tend to run wild with it...







Hey, how about Deadshot?


Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 12:56 PM
@Oscuro: I am pretty ridiculous, but in what way are you referring to?
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 12:57 PM
They should use Riddler as the new guy hired by the Gotham PD to hunt Bats, Black Mask as the new mob boss, and Deadshot as the assassin hired by Black Mask to take out Bats.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 11/15/2009, 1:01 PM
@teabag

actualy...yea lol i don care if they don look 100% if it looks campy like that crappy flash series then i'll take the armor or updated version.

remember what the phantom said in the new series 'no way am i wearing that!' i would say no different
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 1:13 PM
hell yea to deadshot!

TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 1:15 PM
@Tyler: I like bringing in Black Mask and Deadshot--they used Deadshot in that Batman animated DVD that came out in conjunction with The Dark Knight--but I don't know about The Riddler working for the police.

To me, not that I would want it this way, but with Nolan trying to go all "realistic," the only way The Riddler would work is if he planned elaborate traps and then riddled about them, like in Saw.
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 1:16 PM
PENGUIN IS MORE IDEAL FOR THE NOLAN-VERSE THAN MANY OTHER ROGUES. HE CAN BE THE DEFORMED ICEBURG LOUNGE OWNER, WHO IS SURPRISINGLY WELL RESPECTED IN GOTHAM DESPITE HIS "LOOK". PENGUIN HAS EVERYONE FOOLED THOUGH, EVERYONE IN GOTHAM THINKS HES THIS GREAT LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN. ALL EXCEPT THE BATMAN, BRUCE WAYNE HAS TO DISGUISE HIMSELF ON THE "INSIDE" AS MATCHES MALONE. PENGUIN CAN EASILY BE THE "NEW MOB BOSS" VYING FOR GOTHAM, BATMAN WANTS TO PREVENT IT, DUH! EDWARD NIGMA CAN BE INVOLVED AS WELL AS VICKY VEIL WHO IS A NEW REPORTER IN TOWN REPORTING ON THE "UNYIELDING" BATMAN. BATMAN AND VEIL START GETTING AQUAINTED WHILE NIGMA TRYS TO EXPOSE THE BATMAN TO EVERYONE IN GOTHAM AS A "TRUE CRIMINAL"...IDK I'VE BEEN WATCHING FOOTBALL LOL MY MIND IS ELSEWHERE
dellamorte1872 - 11/15/2009, 1:18 PM
GUY PIERCE, JOHNNY DEPP OR BEN FROM LOST LOL THOSE ARE MY CASTING PICKS FOR THE RIDDLER
dellamorte1872 - 11/15/2009, 1:20 PM
Weapon@ Yeah so the phantom now wears a purple hoodie!!!!!!...i know what id prefer....so are you saying you would like Spiderman to wear armour? Cus lets be honest Spiders has the campest costume but they had the guts to use it :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 1:48 PM
@MultiPP: you are right about that. the whole fear thing and Hal Jordan... I always saw BatMan as the true SuperHero because of his lack of actual powers he really must eliminate fear to be able to be up there with the rest of them. I am not knocking Hal Jordan cuz i freakin love his character, but it seems he doesnt have fear because he just doesnt know better. I am the same way. But BatMan must face his fear with every mission and every time he jumps off of a perfectly stable building. That really gets me going. That is why i dont like Nolans suit either. It almost screams "Please dont hurt me" and it makes it so Bruce Wayne does not have to be as talented either. But to be fair what would The Green Lantern be without his ring. And could Hal Jordan make a Better BatMan like BatMan made a better Lantern. I just hope they stay as true as possible IN the Lantern movie to the suit. cuz i wanna see a kick ass Lantern . Wow i am hung over right now. just ramblin an $hit.
shibazz - 11/15/2009, 1:58 PM
@Shibazz: You've got Hal Jordan all wrong. He lacks fear because his greatest fear was realized when his father died in front of him as a child.

Originally, the Green Lanterns believed that they had to show no fear to overcome the yellow impurity. The after the Corps was destroyed by Parallax, they realized they didn't have to lack fear, but acknowledge their fears to overcome the yellow impurity in their rings.


MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 2:12 PM
i think they should forget the villian for right now and just get DEpp on board and everyone will already be anxious to see what they're gonna do for the next film, to see which villian Depp would play, you know?
lilej2 - 11/15/2009, 2:20 PM
In this pic the right batman ive slightly turned his costume Grey to emphesise the Bat symbol...now which one screams bats and which one screams Domination Tuesday!!






:)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 2:28 PM
@teabag

erm u got a point...kinda

wiv spidey i dunno...lets just say the first time i saw a pic from the 1st spidey movie was from the wrestling scene and i thought that was the direction that they were gunna always go and i didnt mind it..2bh i dont take spidey to be a serious,badass, scare the crap out of you superhero cuz he ain..hez a joking, annoy the hell out of the bad guys superhero and spidey is a lil camp in that regard so i guesse a campy outfit for a campy hero lol it works well you notice that wen spidey ISNT all laughs and jokes and was the darker more scarier persona wiv the sybiote..the suit was black and changed..so 2 have serious badass hero's like batman or wolvering running round in tights it will take the seriousness straight out of it in a real life movie..imagine wolverine running round in bright yellow haha or batman in a spandex(like) costume and take make it look silly
TheLivingWeapon - 11/15/2009, 2:31 PM
@Weapon: I still don't understand how people can say it would look silly since it hasn't been done yet for a big studio picture. If it isn't tried, how do you know it would look silly? There are alot of factors to take in besides just the outfit.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 2:37 PM
Weapon@ i think your missing my point tho....i hate how all recognision is taken out of Bats costume...all they need to do is make a few tweeks , again by adding a lil grey take away all the pointless jaged edges and we could see a better costume...Spandex or not :)







But like Multi says untill we see a version of spandex we cant critisis :)

As for spidey...he can still be shot or stabbed..but no need to add stupid armour qualities to his costume....lets face it through history Batman has been Campier than Spidey :)
teabag - 11/15/2009, 2:38 PM
lol. i don't think i need to see a movie with characters wearing spandex to know it would look silly. have you guys never been to walmart? lmao


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CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 2:58 PM
all kidding aside, spiderman wore a spandex-like cosutme, and so did superman. they didn't look too crazy. whether you liked the spidey movies or not, you have to admit that they did his costume as failthful as they could have done without it looking ridiculous.
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 3:00 PM
@multi I totally agree with you. Even though bale in JLA would be great....id love that...hmm o well. Its sad how I love batman its not an obsession its a passion I dont get why ppl dont get it. My dad LOVES THE STEELERS..I LOVE batman and all his universes. I will admit i might have gone overboard cuz i have 3 different versions of the blu rays for each movie...and over 6 different versions of the dvd's for each movie...its a sickness..maybe but hey....umm..yea
Set2Fallfirst - 11/15/2009, 4:50 PM
Michael Caine for BUZZ KILLINGTON!!! LMFAO
Magicfingers - 11/15/2009, 5:58 PM
if INCEPTION is a hit, we wont get NOLAN back prolly, its just that simple. otherwise? SUMMER 2012
dellamorte1872 - 11/15/2009, 6:00 PM
Batman Dead End was pretty cool, reminded me of the cool story Batman Vs Predator. Depp and Hoffman would be an amazing film, I think it could stand up to TDK. I still think it would be great to see Bain in a Nolan style Batman film. I hope the gears start goin soon on the new film, I can't wait. Btw the 90s Flash series was awesome.
ATOMbomb - 11/15/2009, 6:02 PM
@Set: I think your analogy is a good one: football fans can dress in all football attire, paint their faces, paint their cars, their houses, etc., and no one blinks an eye. But, wear too much superhero stuff and you're considered a geek or a nerd. It's a double-standard, really.

I used to run a comic book shop and this dude--I'll call him "JT--would come in all of the time. He was a buffed-out, early-30's bar manager here in San Diego. A very cool cat, who always had hot chicks (different ones) with him whenever he would come into the shop.

If anyone out there thinks they're a Batman fan, take a page out of JT's book...

JT had a standing order to purchase ANY Batman-related merchandise that was offered in each month's Previews catalog. It didn't matter if he already had it. It didn't matter how big or expensive it was. JT wanted it all. Statues, replica gear, hard-bound graphic novels, t-shirts, toys...you name it!

JT also had the most authentic Batman costume I have ever seen and he wore it to the opening of Batman Begins (I didn't go with him, but I happened to be there) and people freaked out over him. He was a minor celebrity. He would only talk to me as Batman while he wore the costume.

Despite this, no one would think twice about calling JT a nerd or a geek because: 1) JT always had hot women; 2) JT was good looking and could kick your @$$ with ease; and 3) If you wanted to get into his bar, you would be nice to him.


Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 6:03 PM
@dellamorte: Yeah, I agree with you. If you'll notice, many of the comments above were about how Nolan is putting everything into Inception. I think he wants to prove that he doesn't need one of the most iconic characters in history (or the death of his lead antagonist) to make him successful.
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 6:05 PM
@Brent: JT sounds like one of my fraternity brothers LOL

If he already called dibs on Batman, I'm claiming Hal Jordan dammit!
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 6:19 PM
@Multi: That dude is way cool. He's still around; I see him now and then. I had a Simon Bisley Batman sketch that he was dying to get off of me for years. I never gave it up.
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 6:25 PM
@Brent: Never surrender! Even in the face of impending doom (or a serious fan about to kick your ass)!
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 6:27 PM
NO ONE SHOULD SEE "INCEPTION" THEN LOL @BRENT. THAT WAY WE WILL DEFFINETLY SEE A "NOLAN-BATMAN TRILOGY" IF INCEPTION IS A HIT, I SAY GET ZAC SNYDER PROMPTLY!
dellamorte1872 - 11/15/2009, 6:36 PM
@dellamorte: It's a Catch-22. The success of Inception would probably mean that Nolan feels he can do whatever he wants and that he doesn't need to return to Batman.
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 6:39 PM
i'm just kind of tired of hearing zach snyder thrown (by fans) at every single comic movie that gets made. yeah, he did great with things like watchmen, 300, and dawn of the dead, books that were single stories with no continuity weighing them down. but put him on something with characters that have over 40 or 50 years of back stories and i guarantee he'll have the same issues as every other director thats done a CBM.

he took the comics and put them in a movie, almost word for word, scene to scene. or as close as you can get. he did such a good job of portraying the watchmen and 300 characters, because the only stories with those characters are those issues of comics. there's no arguing over what should be a definitive character when they only exist in one story!

that isn't to say that he isn't a good direct though, he definately is.
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 6:48 PM
@Multi: You're actually winning me over to the reboot thing. I really liked TDK and think it will be hard to top. Why not end on a high note and make the JLA thing.
Upupandaway - 11/15/2009, 6:50 PM
Think about it guys. Why isn't the Riddler qualified to be the last in the trilogy? There's so much potential for an epic movie with the Riddler. Especially with Johnny Depp.
Fartman - 11/15/2009, 6:54 PM
@ upandaway and multi

see, this is exactly why i hate when people jsut autmoatically call reboots and remakes "unoriginal". in most cases, the movies get announced, with no work done whatsoever, and everyone starts talking noise. yet when something comes along that they like, there is no complaining. its very hypocritical, because at that point, they are saying reboots and remakes are okay, but only if its something they like. we need to all remember that batman begins and TDK are both reboots, yet no one complains about it. tell 'em robocop is being remade, and , to quote the joker, "they'll eat each other." and the same arguments i've heard about BB and TDK being acceptable things to do can also be applied to the robocop movies. so it makes no sense.

the bottom line is, if you want to use the whole, "reboots aren't original ideas" argument, then you need sit back and look at the bigger picture. EVERY CBM was a comic with established characters and origins before they EVER get made into movies. does that sound like an original idea?? it doesn't to me.
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 6:58 PM
they should adapt the No Man's Land story arc into movies.
it would be brilliant
Woody715 - 11/15/2009, 6:58 PM
@ fartman

because when you compare the riddler to the rest of batman's extensive rogues gallery, the riddler is pretty lame. of ALL batman's villains...the riddler?? really?? the guy tells riddles. wow. he's a sissy and nerd otherwise.

remember, batman has, arguably, the BEST villains in comics. the riddler is terrible compared to most of them. would rather see F'ing scarface and ventrilloquist before the riddler. and thats a dummy.
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 7:01 PM
This is just a comment regarding some of the comments above.
I would be surprised if a JLA movie is ever made. Batman, Superman, WonderWoman, Green Lantern, and Flash are all strong enough characters to get their own movie or their own trilogy of movies. Again, movie-making is all about making money. All the big production companies have realized that a good comic-book movie can make a lot of money, so why put all the eggs in one basket?
Regarding the Bat-Suit. Sure, the arkham asylum suit looks great, sure everyone would rather see something more akin to the comic. But again, think about what looks good on film. Superman gets away with wearing tights, because he's Superman. He's basically indestructible. He doesn't need fight hand-to-hand, everyone knows he's an alien who has super-strength, so he doesn't even need to be big and ripped. Spider-man gets away with it, cause in the comics he's not a huge, and again, it's all about his powers.
Batman is supposed to be a human, no super-powers, and an intimidating vigilante. Christian Bale is in pretty good shape, but on film, Bale in tights wouldn't look nearly as threatening as a molded costume. You would need an actor with body-builder proportions. Once again, go to any comic convention, and look at the guys dressed-up in tights. I've seen some pretty built dudes in spandex costumes, and again, it just doesn't really work.
hescian - 11/15/2009, 7:07 PM
@Upupandaway: See, now you're think 'big picture' :) Welcome to the light at the end of the tunnel my friend
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 7:20 PM
wow I guess I'm late to the party!!

multi-, WOW I thought i was the only one who wants spandex costume for these movie characters. Especialy
the x-men movies, god I hate those leather suits they wore, this is the x-men I know, and grew up with
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this what the x-men look like today even better!
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the movie version is not even close.
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look..not one bit of color, no mask it just doesn't make sense!

I know this is a thread about batman,(and don't even get me started about his movie costume). I'm just trying to make a point about how far off the movie version of the suits these characters (we all love) wear. they almost got it right with spider-man, but no. They had to use silver instead of white on the costume.
iron man it perfect no complaints from me. but the batman suit, the dark knight armored suit is OK way better than the version in "begins" but trust me spandex is the way to go, and if the character wears a mask. HAVE HIM WEAR THE MASK IN THE MOVIE VERSION!, but
no the actors portraying our beloved characters need "face time". is i really to much to ask that the directors, or costume designer's look at a comic to see what the characters wear! let alone get the story right.


sorry about the rant i just need to say that!




peterparker420 - 11/15/2009, 7:23 PM
@peter: Bingo! Circle gets the square :)
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 7:31 PM
I don't care when the next batman movie comes out, just as long as the riddler is not in it. I am so tired of people voting for the riddler. What a bad idea.
stephenismyname - 11/15/2009, 7:41 PM
i dont want a reboot of any sort with a new actor.....i enjoy watching bale (whos sexy as hell for petes sake) too much!!! ;op plus hes a brill actor and the nolan batman movies are my favourites out of them all!!
FAD - 11/15/2009, 8:12 PM
arguably, one of the best xmen runs was grant morrison's. and i think everyone forgets that the xmen during that time DID wear leather costumes that all looked the same. so the leather costumes in xmen aren't very far fetched at all, actually.


you can't put those other pics up and not mention this one! it goes against the whole "non-leather" argument!
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 9:08 PM
@ hescian

it isn't crazy to think a JLA movie will be made. they've been talking about it, and even reported that they would like to follow in marvel's footsteps. green lantern is their test dummy for that!

also, if you haven't watched it, watch teh batman: dead end video. brent recently posted it at the beginning of this thread. its classic and shows EXACTLY what i would like a batman movie to look and feel like. minus the aliens and preds of course :)
CorndogBurglar - 11/15/2009, 9:15 PM
The Nolan version suit is evolucion of the character, Multi, Intyler, Brent, your ideas of the suit is involution, bringing back to Adam West suit and yours HAPPY.
OSCURO - 11/15/2009, 9:19 PM
A f... you whale and a f... you dolphinnneee!!
Ryguy88 - 11/15/2009, 9:32 PM
the RIDDLER IS AMAZING. they showed BATMAN ORIGINS, HIS RESOLVE...SO NOW THEY HAVE SHOW BATMANS DEDUCTIVE SKILLS. DUH! A GIANT NATMAN MYSTERY INVOLVING THE RIDDLER A LA TDK AND THE JOKER. BATMANS ORIGIN, BATMANS "HEART", AND BATMANS "MIND". batman's strength is a catch 22 as a plot device. it takes "strength" for bruce to get out of bed in the morning!
dellamorte1872 - 11/15/2009, 9:35 PM
OSCURO: No estas haciendo ningun sentido. Si no puedes cominicarse correctamente en Ingles, dime lo en espanol.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/15/2009, 9:38 PM
@Oscuro: No, I totally understand why Nolan did not want to use simple spandex. He's trying to "sell" the idea of a billionaire who fights crime. Why wouldn't the billionaire buy the most advanced, sophisticated gear possible to fight a war without bullets? I get it.

I think what frustrates me and some others is that the costume looks too "technical," like some riot cop in a suit of armor. When you see him in a dark scene, there's very little to hint at the "bat" of him. Sure, the ears, but the symbol is totally non-existent. If it's going to be black-on-black, then make it pop in some other way. Without a symbol, it's just a vigilante with a goofy helmet.
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 9:46 PM
As for The Riddler...

No, thanks. Too gimicky, without the "fear" factor. Who's afraid of that guy? C'mon!

Plus, I want to see Batman punching someone hard. If he punches Johnny Depp's Riddler, it would be like the bully picking on the little guy in gym class.

I'm sorry, but without the punching and kicking and crazy bat-stuff, it's just a detective story like any other...
Brent Sprecher - 11/15/2009, 9:50 PM
@Brent: Sounds like you want Deathstroke. He's a guy who'll hit back. He's pretty sneaky too and could bring in the detective element. The only thing about that is the Deadpool movie. Visually, Wade and Slade are too much the same to have in two different movies, but, with a mask, Ryan Reynolds could play him too. : )
Upupandaway - 11/15/2009, 10:07 PM
First off... that Dead Shot / Batman shot into the target practice paper is AMAZING!!!!!

@MultiPingPong : ou got me ther, i am going to look up Hal's past. As i have never knew it... is there any quick fixes. I always just liked him as a characer... but i freakin hat that squirrel and the dumb dog thing and a few others. So i never got to far. I cant wait to find out more. I mean it is every lil Shibazzy's dream to find a ring and have myself tested like that. But isnt that what Kevens mom said about that CockRing she found at that truck stop? oops. i am a bit of a [foo foo] sometimes ;)

And about Batmans suit (to everyone else) the reason he doesnt need armor like that is cuz it would catch on EVERYTHING! and he is soo good he doesnt even need it. Maybe Nolan is setting that side of Bruces confidence up. What? I could hope cant I?
shibazz - 11/15/2009, 11:31 PM
I still would like to see Deathstroke as the badguy
Scarycherry - 11/16/2009, 2:16 AM
deathstroke should be left for a teen titans movie. he's really their enemy.


CorndogBurglar - 11/16/2009, 4:57 AM
I think Killer Croc would make an interesting villain especially if he's anything like his counterpart in Arkham Asylum!

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JoshW - 11/16/2009, 8:58 AM
CorndogBurglar- you are right about deathstroke he is
a teen titan villan and should be left
alone for the titans movie (he did show
up in "idenity crisis" (one of the best
books ever written but it was only a
cameo. And yes i know about the mind
blowing Morrison run, but look see
those bright yellow "x's" on the the
leather,they didn't even use that.
the only time I saw yellow on the
jackets was when wolvie handed beast
an "old" x-men jacket in X-3.

multi- I got my prize in the mail today..man! what a prize,
smallville season 8. I LOVE THE COSTUME CONTEST!
peterparker420 - 11/16/2009, 9:02 AM
i like the new batman suit it looks good for nolan take on the batman and they show the bat sign on his chest.

poni- nolan batman actually could fit in a jla movie
flames809 - 11/16/2009, 2:03 PM
I'd like to see Mark Hamill play a live action Joker. With make up they could hide the age difference.
bobtlizard - 11/16/2009, 8:38 PM
ok, ok! ! I get you point, you like mark hamil
superhero9 - 11/16/2009, 8:53 PM
My bad. I had some laptop trouble.
bobtlizard - 11/16/2009, 8:59 PM
@peter: Glad you liked it! how did the certificate come out? It should be the size of a comic book cover.

@flames: No, it really can't. If Nolan won't look at villains such as Clayface and Killer Croc because they aren't realistic enough for his take on the mythos, how can they play off Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern?

I really don't want to get into another pointless debate with you. You have completely different taste in movies than I do. Just leave it be.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/17/2009, 12:18 AM
"C'mon guys, if they could make a suit like this for the Flash TV series in the '90s, why can't they use a similar one for Batman?"

Because it would be laughed out of cinemas and the movie would bomb hugely?

That suit looks/looked COMPLETELY ridiculous. Yes, it's a lot like the comic suit - AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

They look TERRIBLE in live action.

Superhero costumes were originally designed specifically to play to the strengths and weaknesses of the four-colour process, the target audience, and the need for artists to turn-around pages quickly. Hence, simple suits, bright primary or secondary colours (usually), and without too much thought to their practicality and how they'd actually look in the real world. Hey, comics are for kids, right? They won't care or question it. Now times have changed.

Changing them significantly for live-action isn't always necessary (e.g. Spider-man, Iron-Man, Superman) but sometimes it just is (e.g. Batman, Flash & many others who would just look silly in skin-tight, underpants-on-the-outside, kill-me-quick costumes).

It HAS to be armoured in Batman's case, because it just wouldn't "fly" otherwise. He'd be dead. Or mocked to death.

The spirit, the essence, the core of the character is far more important than a slavish devotion to the look as portrayed in the comics. If they get that part right, and the costumes are still recognisably the characters, then what's the problem?

The comics have re-imagined costumes hundreds of times - why shouldn't movies do the same to make them work best for their medium?

Granted, Hollywood has a poor record generally, but Nolan's Batman is not one of them. It is good. Be grateful...

Someone used the Batman Arkham Asylum suit as an example of how it could be done - and to a degree I agree with that (but note that it is still clearly armoured), but again, a video game is not live-action.

A movie audience will be far less accepting of some of the silliness we find in the comics. Accept that compromises sometimes HAVE to be made and perhaps you might enjoy these movies a whole lot more. Just a suggestion.
KeithM - 11/17/2009, 7:27 AM
hello! im new to this so please don't eat me with my suggestions..

first of all..i would love to see David Tennant to play the riddler! he would be amazing!

also..i don't know if he has been suggested...but Neil Patrick Harris. He would be superb as the riddler. They could bring in the Lazerus Pit and Ras Al Gul, new love interest in his daughter, Ras goes mental starts kicking off, batman has to stop Ras, and figure out why he's off on a rambo whilst dealing with the Riddler..and you can bring them together at the end for a massive fight.

also...PLEASE GOD NO ROBIN

thanks
orzosanis - 11/17/2009, 12:34 PM
Regarding the costume, I'd like to see something new. No leather, no plastic and NO tights, I think what we need is something flexible yet sturdy for the body but the cowl NEEDS to be cloth it just looks much better and some white eyes would be cool, it's not hard to do infact they did it in TDK and it part of the suits computer, I'm all for that. White eyes and cloth cowl and maybe some sort of body armour (HAS to be light and close to fabric as possible)

On Robin though, Robin is a must for any faithful Batman adaption. Like him or not Robin is a massive part of Batman's history, he out-dates a lot of famous Bat-villains like Black Mask for example. The problem with Robin is he has yet to be done right on screen and just because he hasn't had a good record doesn't he should never show up again I mean would you say the same for Cap? Every live action portrayal of Cap has been bad but would that make you say "don't make First Avenger because it COULD be crap" whether it's just a matter of not liking the character that's fine but put it this way, Robin was created before the dark and brooding version of Bats.
Ryden - 11/17/2009, 1:38 PM
Multi, si entiendes.
Brent I comprendo.
Bruce is a millonaire, the suit deberia ser an armor like IRON MAN.
OSCURO - 11/17/2009, 2:37 PM
Of course Christopher Nolan will return for a third film. The guy just wants the perfect story. Something that will compare to, if not top, The Dark Knight. Plus, the longer he holds out, the more money he's likely to get for returning.
Dr. Donald Draper - 11/17/2009, 5:30 PM
@Ryden: For the love of God, no!

Robin must NEVER show up in Batman's story again. He must never have been in his story. Robin has no place in the modern Batman universe.

Robin was only ever introduced in the first place because the publishers thought that the kiddie audience wouldn't be able to identify with Batman, so they introduced a teenage sidekick to appeal to that demographic. Robin is a juvenile addition from a time when that kind of thing was appropriate to its audience.

But in these more sophisticated times, when the character's fanbase is generally a lot older than in those times, when we actually care about the internal logic and motivations of a character, then, in those terms and following that logic, then Robin not only has no place, but if Batman is to remain true to character, he would never take on a kid sidekick as a partner. Even if he goes to the circus and watches Dick Grayson's parents getting killed, he might empathise, he might do something to look after the kid (like arranging foster parents), but the very last thing he'd do is invite him to put on a suit and go fight crime with him. Just doesn't compute.

I'm sorry, but Robin just doesn't fit in the modern Batman world.

I'm not begrudging or belittling the historical importance of the character and what he means emotionally to people, but please, leave Robin in the past where he belongs - to a more innocent, more naive time that no longer exists.

It's not at all the same for Cap. It's not about whether they've been done well or badly in the past, but about whether they actually fit the story they're meant to be in. Cap does - it's his story. Robin doesn't because he's just a character shoehorned into another character's story for marketing purposes, and not for natural character progression or story purposes.

To remain fresh, stories must evolve, retaining the things that work, shedding the things that don't. If it means losing elements that no longer fit, no matter how "beloved", then so be it.

No Robin.
KeithM - 11/17/2009, 8:31 PM
There's a band that I like and respect very much for their uncompromising artistic credibility - Tool (where my screenname and avatar come from, I'm sure many of you are aware of them and some are not) - Coencidentally a song of theirs may very well pop up on the Iron Man 2 soundtrack, and uncannily enough it's the one that inspired my screenname called 46and2 - I picked that name here before I was aware of this, but it was used for the Comicon Iron Man 2 footage. And they are seriously picky with what films they attach their music to - so much so they've only done one soundtrack over their 20 year career. These guys take about 5 or 6 years between albums, and yet they still sell millions of albums at a steady pace.

What does this have to do with Batman and the sequel to The Dark Knight you ask?

It's one of a thousand examples I could've chosen, but I think it fits. Weapon 420 brought up Leonardo Da Vinci, and basically all of the great masters worked for many years on their magnum opuses - The Mona Lisa, David, the Sistine Chapel, etc. You've got the architectural wonders of the world - the Pyramids for instance, some of them having taken maybe even arguably hundreds of years to complete.

Of course this is not a mentality that is often associated with being a good business strategy, afterall time is money. But I think people have finally come around to realizing that taking time to craft a masterpiece can pay off much bigger in the long run - The Dark Knight is a quintessential example of this in modern cinema.

So anyway Tool take about 5 or 6 years between albums, and produce them themselvesm giving them complete creative control - in the meanwhile the band members separate and go off and work on their solo projects, and with that time in between things sort of crystalize for the next album. Then they come back together and create another amazing album. There is no other way for material of this calibre and quality to be turned out, unless someone gets very lucky - then it becomes very hit or miss. There is a laundry list of artists in every medium - bands, directors, writers, artists, comic books, etc. I could reel off, who break out with something extraordinary, then become highly pressured by the industry to produce and the next thing they come out with is complete crap. I just think Nolan is being cautious about this. Inception is his sort of side project that will give his Batman 3 the time to crystalize.

I hope so anyway.

And there is a rule in art. Sometimes it's good not to be afraid of the obvious. Depp and Hoffman are the obvious.

@MultiPurposePoni - congrats on making editor man, congrats =)
48and2 - 11/17/2009, 10:10 PM
NO ROBIN.
OSCURO - 11/18/2009, 1:56 PM
@KeithM- By modern Batman world I'm guessing you're meaning the films since in the Batman comics I'm reading Robin is in it and also a very well developed character. Although Robin did start off simply for that purpose just as Batman did Robin evolved over time and had a really distinct personality...all of them. Although not all have to make an appereance LOL but Robin has given Batman some great stories, if it wasn't for Robin Batman would have lost his sanity. the need to bring Grayson in wasn't just to have acrime fighting protege, subconsiessly (yeah i know it's spelt wrong lol) Wayne is in need of sonmeone innocent enough to keep him sane to remind him that not everything is tainted by death. Robin sees Bruce's obsession with what he does, he purposley made sure he doesn't end up like that. Robin is a very good character it's all about the way people interpret him, all media versions of the character have been the douche-bag sidekick but if you read the comics then you'll see Robin has a lot of depth to his character, Nightwing also. Well actually I take the last part back because theres a NEW Robin now and he's terrible, Tim Drake and Dick Grayson are the two best.
Ryden - 11/20/2009, 9:55 AM
Robin could work..they would have to be very careful...
RorMachine - 11/20/2009, 1:47 PM
i really think if nygma uses the machine tht fox used in the TDK to track batman and the mob would make it rlly gr8 story and giving batman the riddles jst like in arkham asylum not by a letter
karimsoueid - 11/21/2009, 1:34 PM
i really think if nygma uses the machine tht fox used in the TDK to track batman and the mob would make it rlly gr8 story and giving batman the riddles jst like in arkham asylum not by a letter
karimsoueid - 11/21/2009, 1:34 PM
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