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dirtygymsocks
dirtygymsocks - 5/18/2012, 6:14 AM
Agreed
GeekyCheekyChic
GeekyCheekyChic - 5/18/2012, 6:16 AM
Mr. Martin.... I'm guessing ultimate avengers is something you missed. Also guessing you saw a different cut of the film because mime didn't have an underused black widow. I could dispute more but its made a billion so nuff said right back at you.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/18/2012, 6:16 AM
Woah! Strong words from Mr Martin. I agree with im on Hawkeye but not Widow, I though she was handled very well. Ok, so a few of her scenes at the end were a bit silly (the jumping and grabbing on to the alien craft etc, and she did look a tad silly firing two handguns in the midst of a super powered war), but overall I think Johannson was great and had plenty to do. Seems like ol GRRM is something of a purist too, he'll have plenty of supporters on this site!
SCOURGE
SCOURGE - 5/18/2012, 6:17 AM
I agree with just about everything he said, except for the Ant Man and Wasp part.
Shaman
Shaman - 5/18/2012, 6:17 AM
It's weird how many people thought the opposite and felt Hawkeye and Black Widow were two of the best characters in the film, Hulk being the best and completely stealing the show. And personally, i never was a fan of Pym and Van Dyne so i guess that's a huge reason why me and him aren't on the same page.

However, i most certainly would've prefered Black Widow being substituted by MS. MARVEL! BRING IT!!!
Anthrax
Anthrax - 5/18/2012, 6:18 AM
What baroness said
MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 5/18/2012, 6:19 AM
Tymminator
Tymminator - 5/18/2012, 6:21 AM
I agree about Pym and Wasp, but I think they are just trying to play nice w/ E.Wright. Still an awesome movie.
thecap
thecap - 5/18/2012, 6:22 AM
Hawkeye was under Loki's control about half the movie, which I thought was pretty sweet...
thecap
thecap - 5/18/2012, 6:23 AM
The Hawkeye vs. Black Widow fight was one of my favorite scenes by the way...
Tymminator
Tymminator - 5/18/2012, 6:24 AM
@Tea, great point. Cap would not be in the picture indeed.
StrangerX
StrangerX - 5/18/2012, 6:25 AM
I think he basically said what all the fans have been saying from the beginning.
TheMyth
TheMyth - 5/18/2012, 6:27 AM
Meh, he even states these are just "quibbles" to him so I wouldn't call him a purist.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/18/2012, 6:28 AM
haha, Tea exactly.. runs into the same problems with hypocrisy all purists do.

"If it followed the comics, we should have Wasp and Pym and that's THAT!"

"But what about Cap?"

"Oh [frick] that, I like him"
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:29 AM
i wonder how much it would have made if he made his changes.

but i bet marvel will take it like it went lma.

and i love this part

I don't know who this Black Widow was, and I don't think the screenwriter did either. She wasn't the original comic Black Widow, the Russian femme fatale who seduces Hawkeye into trying to kill Iron Man. She wasn't the later comic book Black Widow, who dons a costume, comes over to the good guys, and teams with first Hawkeye and then Daredevil. She was just... there

on man wait till he sees a midget bane and a clawless/whipless cat women,he my die lol.
MarkCassidy
MarkCassidy - 5/18/2012, 6:29 AM
Themyth, actually I guess that's true he didn't let it ruin the movie for him.
Duhdaduh
Duhdaduh - 5/18/2012, 6:30 AM
Martin is king in my book, but i feel like he's just nit picking here...a lot of his complaints are details that were already skewed before Joss even came on board, affected by those characters' depictions and inclusions (and exclusions) laid down in the past movies. Joss did the best with what was handed to him, if he went back and changed things that were laid out in the past movies it would just be a mess.

plus, this is the movie canon of the avengers, as different as the ultimate universe vs the 616...its a whole different experience, why does it have to be verbatum with the classic comics? if i want to see everything the exact same way as the comics, i'll read the comic. its refreshing to see something new
Kosiji
Kosiji - 5/18/2012, 6:31 AM
I agree with this article.
MarkJulian
MarkJulian - 5/18/2012, 6:32 AM
I do believe he said this was just a quibble and that overall, he enjoyed the movie. Sheesh!
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:33 AM
@tea

hi bud,a friend of mine just got bck from london and has giving me and the wife a huge box of stuff from a place called everton.have you ever heard of them and if so is this high end stuff or just stuff.havent opened the box yet so no telling what he bought,but its not ticking anyways lol.
Shaman
Shaman - 5/18/2012, 6:38 AM
Duhdaduh- AMEN!!!
TheHitchhikingGhost
TheHitchhikingGhost - 5/18/2012, 6:39 AM
Quibble away, but I disagree whole-heartedly on the Black Widow front. Going into this I could have given two-shits for the character and was annoyed every time I saw her in the promos. I left feeling Joss cracked it and crafted her into the story very nicely. She's pretty much in every damn scene. Let's not forget Joss is also following the lineage of the character created in IM2, so he should take umbrage with that instead.
TheHitchhikingGhost
TheHitchhikingGhost - 5/18/2012, 6:40 AM
And honestly, I'm baffled no one thought to grab the Destroyer rifle from the Helicarrier to use in the final battle... especially if you're Black Widow or Cap.
valeriesghost
valeriesghost - 5/18/2012, 6:42 AM
always good to get GRRM's opinion! in hindsight there is a lot to nit pick about, but what was great about the movie was soooo great that it makes the imperfections near invisible :)
getupkid
getupkid - 5/18/2012, 6:42 AM
I just absolutely love the fact that both comicbooks and comicbook movies are beinf recognized as truely creative works by more "mainstream" artists like Martin. While I don't agree with some of his criticisms, it's refreshing to see that there are expectations of character developement and a real sense of the history of the original work.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:42 AM
no i didnt know what the place is thats why i asked,but im thinking i got a box of junk lol.and the 1983 1 pound coin(coin is what it would e called here anyways)is worth more lmao.

i just wanted to know what kinda gift to give in return and it dont sound like it has to be much huh,
figuresmaniac
figuresmaniac - 5/18/2012, 6:44 AM
There was no time to introduce Hank & Jan.
If they were introduced in the movie then people would say no character development, rushed, bla bla bla bla bla...
ColonoscopyKid
ColonoscopyKid - 5/18/2012, 6:45 AM
I guess not everyone wants to swallow Marvels baby gravy.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:46 AM
plus i think he stayed to long cause if hes waiting to long he will say something like,im tired of all this cueing (waiting)and wish they would just let us on the lift (elevater) already,im guessing he picked that stuff up there.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:48 AM
teabag - 5/18/2012, 6:45 AM
Report Comment Mark@ I'd get him a condolence card and inside write

" Sorry to hear your a cheap-ass "

:P

cheaper than you think this guy is worth mills lol.
hammerofharpel
hammerofharpel - 5/18/2012, 6:48 AM
I completely understand the comments and from a comic perspective, it was dead on and I agree...but:

What is forgotten is that this movie is in the Marvel 'movie' universe and in that light there is the problem.

1) Ironman was already established as the sarcastic one in the movies (Ironman I and Ironman II. You can't change that for this movie.)

2) Black Window was already established in IronMan 2 so you can't play too hard with that one.

3) There was already a storyline established for how the Avengers were going to get together from Captain America, Ironman, Ironman II, Thor, etc.

4) Hawkeye is a favorite of mine too but with Tony Stark being the sarcastic one, you can't have two in that role so I can understand why he was painted in that light.

The problem Josh W. had was how to take an already established storyline and make it work, and in that sense, I thought it was terrific. Ya, no question it would have been nice to have the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby version but Josh Whedon didn't have the luxury of starting from scratch. He had to work with what he had.
Just my thoughts.

marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:51 AM
last one tes is this pound, that has the queen on one side and 2 lions on the other,are these called coins over there or what,and thanks for the info.
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:52 AM
so glad i didnt buy him something to nice so tyvm.
BIGBMH
BIGBMH - 5/18/2012, 6:55 AM
I was just about to point out the Cap thing, teabag. Beat me to the punch.
figuresmaniac
figuresmaniac - 5/18/2012, 6:55 AM
@hammerofharpel 100% agree
erickrivers
erickrivers - 5/18/2012, 6:56 AM
Lame review.
"Why do people have to have orange juice they should just leave it in its natural state"
Rolls eyes
marknjoanna
marknjoanna - 5/18/2012, 6:57 AM
teabag - 5/18/2012, 6:52 AM
Report Comment Sounds like he came back a better man lol :P
not sure on that but he came back a sore man,he said his boy friend over there was hummm how can i put this,well he reminded him of some the horses i have,if you know what i mean.
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