Why No Cameo From Norman Osborn In THE AMAZING SPIDER-MAN?

Producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach tackle this question in an interview with Empire Magazine. Plus, they also answer the question of the Proto-Goblin? Mild Spoiler Warning

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Here are some excerpts from the podcast, you can listen to the full chat below:

On why Norman Osborn is not in the film:
Avi Arad: Norman for us, in this movie, wasn't an important face. It was more of a symbolic idea (Oscorp Tower) of the world of science. It's a place where his father worked. It's a place where Connors works. And most importantly, it's a place where Peter aspires to be. One, because his father worked there and two, it stands for the ultimate advancement of science and biotechnology.

So the threat of Norman at the top, that's what the comics are about. You can read the whole comic book and you'll have a mention of something that may not appear for two more issues.

Matt Tolmach: We had a lot of story to tell within this movie and Dr. Connors is a very rich character and that's where we wanted to spend time, on the relationship between Peter and Dr. Connors. If you begin to venture into Norman and Oscorp in this movie then...ummm..you just have a finite amount of screen time. As Avi said he hangs over this building and the lives of these people and you know, we're going to make more movies.


With Peter solving his father's algorithm and giving birth to The Lizard, is it safe to say that he will also be responsible for the creation of The Green Goblin:
Avi Arad: If you look at Norman's affliction, if you will, cross-species genetics or any kind of that science is exactly what he needs to survive. Obviously he will support this kind of science to the nth degree and the nth degree is what is happening in laboratories around the world; stem cells, cloning, etc. You have a guy at the top of the building who has a huge personal stake and you have Connors who has a huge personal stake in succeeding. And then you have the man who supposed to be carrying the clue for it, who vanishes. And it happens to be Peter's dad.

Matt Tolmach: They're all sort of Norman's lab rats. There's something that Norman needs and everyone here also has their own needs. And Peter becomes the little mouse. Norman is the puppeteer and that's something we're going to get to.


In the Dark Reign comics we saw Norman Osborn as a formidable villain without the Green Goblin persona. Is that something that could be explored down the line:
Avi Arad: The goblin can be something that happens for a very short period of time or the goblin can become a whole story. The real story is Norman and I think this movie showed, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Peter Parker is the most interesting study here. The fact that he becomes Spider-Man is great and it's fulfillment, and it's the metaphor for a lot of things but Peter works so well. And Norman needs to work really, really well and be sort of the classic, Marvel, sympathetic villain who carries something personal as the reason to do what he's doing. And the fact that he's going to fly through the air and fight Peter, eventually it will be inevitable. But that's not his main story.

Matt Tolmach: He like Connors, and this is important, is connected to Peter Parker. You get hints of that in the movie obviously, through his relationship to Peter's father and his relationship to Doc Conners. Norman Osborn, the man, is critically important to where this story is going.

Avi Arad: It's all about secrets. Norman has a secret, Connors has a secret, Peter's father had a secret and now Peter has a secret.....All these little hints throughout the movie are saying, 'so if it worked on Peter, oh boy, this kid is not going to have a moment of peace and I think that's a wonderful thing to look at.

Matt Tolmach: Norman is an important character and obviously there's a certain inevitably to one day seeing the Green Goblin. What we've done, and what we'll always do is go back to what serves the story best. Going back to this quest that Peter is still very clearly on when this movie ends, that's going to lead us to villains, that's the best version of how you figure out who your villain is going to be, it serves Peter's story along the way.


On Gwen's story and was there ever a point throughout all the script rewrites where she met her comic book end:
Avi Arad: No, it would've been too fast. It took the whole movie for us to develop this new relationship. To show what a match they are because the more you fall in love with them as a couple, the more you want them to be together, the bigger the tragedy. If you introduce her and get rid of her in the first movie then it feels manufactured.

On Proto Goblin,was he ever intended to be in the film:
Avi Arad: I don't know where the talk came from, not from us. We tried multiple villains before, as you know, and it's really hard to service them all, especially when you're doing an origin story. Also, there was no reason.




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Running Time: 2 hrs 16 min
Release Date: July 3, 2012 (USA)
MPAA Rating: PG-13
Starring: Andrew Garfield, Rhys Ifans, Emma Stone, Sally Field and Martin Sheen.
Directed by: Marc Webb
Written by: James Vanderbilt (initial screenplay),Alvin Sargent and Steve Kloves (revised draft)




The Amazing Spider-Man is an American superhero film directed by Marc Webb, based on the comic book of the same name and starring Andrew Garfield as the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man. It is the fourth Columbia Pictures film that portrays Spider-Man in film and is a reboot of the film series that stars the superhero. The cast includes Garfield as Peter Parker and his alter ego, Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy and Rhys Ifans as Dr. Curt Connors. The film will portray Parker as his super powers are evolving in high school.

The film's development began simultaneously with Sony announcing the cancellation of Spider-Man 4. Opting for a reboot with the same production team rather than another sequel, the studio announced a July 2012 release date for what was now titled The Amazing Spider-Man. James Vanderbilt was hired to write the script while Alvin Sargent and Steve Kloves helped fine-tune the script. Filming started in December 2010 in Los Angeles before moving to New York City with the help of RED Epic camera. The film entered post-production in April 2011.

Sony Entertainment has focused its marketing campaign with a promotional website with released images, 2 theatrical trailers, a prologue screening in certain cities and a video game tie-in being developed by Beenox among other products. The Amazing Spider-Man is scheduled to be released in 3D and IMAX 3D on July 3, 2012. A sequel of the film is being planned for release in 2014 with James Vanderbilt hired to again write the screenplay.





Source: Empire Online
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SmellofDuty - 7/5/2012, 12:29 PM
I'm fine with how they handled it but if they have Norman they better have Harry.
ksommer - 7/5/2012, 12:29 PM
It amazing how much detail they know and discuss but then that much isn't translated into film. Fun movie though! :)
Sanderman - 7/5/2012, 12:32 PM
like the last trilogy, i think the sequel is going to surpass them all and be the best..hopefully their third won't be as bad lol
InfiniteMonkey - 7/5/2012, 12:33 PM
I'm glad there wasn't a cameo by Norman Osborne. Simply because we have seen the bloke before. Just like we have seen Spiderman before with the same villains. Hollywood can't seem to get away from rehash, re-fried beans, re-regurgitation, re-heat, re-...of for [frick]s sake, you get the point.

They have this wonderful power in their hands to completely make something original and yet,...they are stuck.
HULK2099 - 7/5/2012, 12:35 PM
Maybe it was Eddie Brock dad
GodzillaKart - 7/5/2012, 12:37 PM
This team really has a great take on how to tell the story. They have the good sense not to rush character development, which was a constant problem in the original trilogy.
MidNightWind - 7/5/2012, 12:46 PM
I want a combination of both the 616 goblin and ultimate goblin. Norman can be a actual goblin who rides a glider. like menance from the BND comic book.
Vadakin - 7/5/2012, 12:46 PM
If it was me, I'd introduce Norman in the next film and see him pulling the strings. Maybe Peter meets Harry in college and that's how he gets to meet Norman. Bring in someone like Scorpion as the villain to hunt Spider-Man as Norman is looking to save himself.

In the third film, Norman gets his cure but it drives him insane and he becomes the Goblin. Obviously he fights Spidey on the bridge and Gwen Stacey...yeah.

In the fourth film, have Peter be in a very dark place. Have him be full of anger and grief and introduce the black suit which in this universe could be an Oscorp project. Maybe bring in someone like Black Cat who basically tries to show Spidey that life is worth living.

In the fifth film, you have Venom who stalks Peter and wants to torment him. He doesn't want Peter to get his life back together but it turns out that Oscorp has been a bit naughty and there's more than one symbiote suit - Enter Carnage. Have Venom and Spidey team up to take down Carnage (this is when you do a Venom spin off if you're intent on doing it, not before). At the end of the film, have Aunt May visit Peter in his rundown apartment and talk about how he needs to think about moving on from Gwen and get back in the world properly. She then mentions passing one of Peter's neighbours on her way, literally the girl next door. Have the film end with Peter leaving his apartment and having a brief interaction with Mary Jane Watson, suggesting that all is not lost for Spidey.
chaos91 - 7/5/2012, 12:47 PM
its a weird thing to ask...but i wonder what happened to the lizard/mouse thing they tested on. hope when they introduce osborn they show him testing on it.
MadJakHatesSpinoffs - 7/5/2012, 12:49 PM
IMO, the best way to handle the trilogy is...

1. Have Spider-Man fight Electro and Green Goblin in the 2nd film. At the end of 2, Norman gets his amnesia. I also think the coolest way to introduce Electro would be to have him sitting in the electric chair in Alabama (he already has his powers but no one else knows), gets charged up, fries everyone in the room and busts out of prison.

2. In the 3rd film, Spider-Man fights the Vulture, who is an Oscorp board member dying from cancer caused by radiation from the cross species experiments. I had Mark Strong in Mind to play Vulture.

3. Also in 3, Norman recovers from his amnesia and kidnaps Gwen. Spider-Man and Goblin have their legendary battle. Gwen is murdered and Norman is killed with his own glider (this time in the heart, not the crotch).

4. The final fight in the 3rd film would be Vulture bombing the bridge or building where Osborn is dying. The trilogy concludes with an epic sky battle between Spidey and Vulture, and Mary Jane hugging Peter and offering support.
CaptainAmerica31 - 7/5/2012, 12:51 PM
The sequel has some very big potential to be great, hopefully the best CBM of all time. I like this story they've made it's intriguing. I think the goblin will be a mix between 616 and ultimate he turns into the 616 version. Also I'm glad gwen wasn't a damsel in distress so when she threatened for the first time Peter can try and save her but she dies and it makes it that more emotional.
BIGBMH - 7/5/2012, 12:53 PM
I don't mind not having Norman in the movie, but I think it could have worked if they wanted him there. Just re-watched the pilot for Spectacular Spider-man for the first time in a while. He has a presence on that show for a while before he becomes the Green Goblin.
JDUKE25 - 7/5/2012, 1:00 PM
@IM53 I'm with ya, I want 616 goblin. Dont really care for Ultimate Goblin at all.
sikwon - 7/5/2012, 1:00 PM
the goblin (or osborn) isnt just spideys greatest nemesis, his one of the mcu's best villians. i like that they are taking there time, some parts felt a bit rushed but the over all story and direction of the story, seems well thought out. with spider man 3 and to a much lesser extent spider man 2 you can tell that the story didnt have a direct plan. this feels a bit different. theres direction.
Bobevanz - 7/5/2012, 1:02 PM
Save him for the third, mysterio next ^_^
NOID - 7/5/2012, 1:12 PM
I hope the whole trilogy isn't about cross species... if so, no thanks.

I enjoyed the movie but i really wish Marvel owned this property...

Oh well, i'll give this current team a second chance for the sequel but after that...
marvel72 - 7/5/2012, 1:24 PM
i missed j.jonah jameson & the daily bugle most of all.
CherryBomb - 7/5/2012, 1:24 PM
I completely agree with them.
My main problem is with some comic films having fair too many villains unless necessary (for example, a villain team or like, hundreds of aliens as in Avengers)

I liked that they just focused on The Lizard/Connors. It allowed them to tell Peter's story more, and give them more freedom with the story.
Emanuel14 - 7/5/2012, 1:40 PM
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YipCha - 7/5/2012, 1:41 PM
Doesn't matter to me whether or not Norman was in this movie or may be in a future one. With how crappy the first one was I will not be seeing any more of this franchise. That wasn't spider-man, anyone who believes it was clearly doen't know the character. Marvel needs to get back the rights and bring on the reboot!
CrazyKeaton - 7/5/2012, 1:49 PM
Hopefully the second one is better because this one was too slow paced, and an overall let down.
AutobotCommander84 - 7/5/2012, 1:50 PM
I don't want Gwen to die. There is no other young actress that can surpass Emma Stone in BOTH looks and acting.
CaptainAmerica31 - 7/5/2012, 1:51 PM
Electro for the sequel though
Ha1frican - 7/5/2012, 2:04 PM
I want GG and the symbiote for 2. Have the rise of Norman as the goblin and the death of Gwen, then in his rage he gets consumed y the black suit and sets out for revenge (ending with GG's death on the glider). End it with Peter in a dark place struggling with the black suit (akin to Empire Strikes back or TDK)and then in the 3rd devote the WHOLE thing to Venom.
Ha1frican - 7/5/2012, 2:05 PM
However if they went in a direction of aoiding any villains used before i would understand and would like to see scorpion, or Rhino
Ha1frican - 7/5/2012, 2:06 PM
Also in the hypothetical AS3 with Venom introduce Mary Jane which pulls him out of the darkness and mirror his descent of gwens death
MarkV - 7/5/2012, 2:17 PM
So the goblin is the lizards boss, the lizard worked with spider-man's dad and now he is the boss of gwen stacy, who's dating spider-man.

SERIOUSLY???? NO, REALLY???
Optimus83 - 7/5/2012, 2:25 PM
I think Michael Massee is Quentin/Mysterio

equal to animated series from the 90's

Ha1frican - 7/5/2012, 2:26 PM
@MarkV its because they are all connected that all the crazy stuff happens to them...
CaptainAmerica31 - 7/5/2012, 2:31 PM
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vtopa - 7/5/2012, 2:35 PM
DUDE, this is kind of a spoiler for those of us who haven't seen the flick yet. I was curious to see whether Osborne would make an appearance. Now I know. Be more careful in the future please.
DoomXfactor - 7/5/2012, 3:06 PM
They better take their time and make a quality sequel
PeterParker1991 - 7/5/2012, 3:11 PM
Good move on their part. Save Osborn for later. He's the "Emperor" of this trilogy and therefore there's no need to rush his introduction, especially since we all know how it's going to end, with Osborn and Gwen. - - I'd like to see "Spectacular Spiderman" open up with a bank robbery featuring the Rhino or Shocker, a B-list villain. Have Osborn working behind the scenes. Maybe he comes to them in prison and offers to upgrade their tech only to go back on his word, something like that. Just a thought. At least then we can get something different in the beginning of a Spidey film.
KingMarvel - 7/5/2012, 3:25 PM
I dont think that Doc Connors is a rich character, its a tragic character not rich, Amazing spider man was nice but lets be real, After the Avengers it was kind of a let down. going from 6 super hero to 1 plus having to sit treu the Origin story again just afet 4/5 years after the first 3 is just FVCKT UP And the fact that we just dont know if the amazing spiderman is in the same univers as the avengers because of the legal sony/disney thing is just childish and LAME.

Like i said before and i will say it again Sony and marvel need to sit down and get this done.
I want to see Nick Fury popping up in TASM 2!!
Buddha29 - 7/5/2012, 3:27 PM
I always though Michael Massee would have made a great Joker.
thanos83 - 7/5/2012, 3:35 PM
wow this movie blew..i cant belive he took his mask off so much..defeates the whoa idea of a secret identity
thanos83 - 7/5/2012, 3:36 PM
its a shame..but i think logan leman would hav been a better choice for peter
GUNSMITH - 7/5/2012, 3:38 PM
IF THEY MAKE GOBLIN I RATHER HE TRANSFORM INTO THE GOBLIN RATHER A RUBBER MASK..HOW DO YOU GET THAT COMIC BOOK LOOK? IN THE BOOKS THE GOBLIN'S FACE LOOKS ALIVE, YOU CAN CAPTURE THAT NAIL THAT BY A TRUE PHYSICAL TRANSFOMATION, BESIDES, CONNORS RESEARCH BECAME THAT, MAYBE THEY RETOOLED IT TO SKIP THE ADVERSE EFFECTS BUT FOUND THEMSELVES IN A MIDDLE JECKLE AND HYDE THING. HECK, THROUGH OSCORP YOU COULD GET ALOT OF VILLAIN ORIGINS..I COULD SEE MORBIUS CONTINUING CONNORS RESEARCH BUT IN THE VEIN OF BATS, YOU SAW HOW HE TURNED OUT.
OmegaBlack13 - 7/5/2012, 3:39 PM
I loved the movie, but I wish they had made Connors more of a family man, like in the comics. Concerning Norman, I reeeaallly hope they don't make him too sympathetic. Sure, a lot of it is a multiple personality, but I always saw Norman as ultimately evil. Also, I hope they dont make every villain have a personal connection to Spidey.

@Vadakin - GREAT ideas!
Niem8211 - 7/5/2012, 3:45 PM
I want to see the Rhino… Just get a big ass no acting mo fo to just stand there and smash shit… Leave all the acting to Osborn.

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