5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 1st Complaint!

5 Of The Most Common Complaints Made By Comic Book Fans, 1st Complaint!

Comic book fans are passionate people with extremely strong opinions. They give these opinions, whether studios and production houses like it or not. Read on for the 1st of five articles exploring the most common complaints fans make about comic book movies.

Editorial Opinion
By efcamachopmp - Sep 01, 2013 01:09 AM EST
Filed Under: Comics
Source: The Internets (Various)



I Hate The Actor/Actress!

The Usual Statements

“The actor does not match the character”
“The actor is bad!”
“The actor changed the interpretation of the character”
“The actor doesn’t know anything about the character or the comic”
“The actor is not bad, but he/she doesn’t have the chops to play this role”
“What! But Heimdall is a Viking, and he’s supposed to be white WTF!”

What? Why? Who The F*** Cares!?

These are some of the comments I’ve seen over the years (there are many), in virtually every comic book movie ever made. There is always someone that argues, or losses their mind, over a casting choice. Point in fact, Heath Ledger, Anne Hathaway, and Michael Keaton (to name only a few) all experienced fandom explosions, over their casting announcements in respective Batfilms. All of these, went on to create extremely successful films, and portrayed their characters exceptionally well. Showing the negative fandom explosion crowd their outcry was pointless. Of course, these are just some examples, I’m sure (in comments) many folks will point out other versions of fandom outcries that were accurate. We also have to wait to see what the current fandom explosion reveals over Ben Affleck in the current set of upcoming Batfilms. I’m enthusiastic, and others; well, not so much.

Usually what we see written on the internet, or even in professional critiques, are arguments as to the “why” their reasons are given to say this actor “Sucks”. I myself am guilty of arguing against a variety of past choices. But usually, I’m in the “wait and see” category, and I try to exercise my youthful optimism. I have a strong opinion about casting because it’s part of the tasks I take working on independent film, and I get the same mentality most fans have as well. That I have the best choice for what I want to see, not necessarily for what everyone should see; that’s always based on bias, and I’m aware of it. Comic book fans (me included) need to learn that our sensibilities will (sometimes) get the best of us. Especially when we presume to know what is best for a film, by arguing so emphatically, over a casting choice. If recent years are to be used as a barometer, studios have been on the money on most major film releases, a few misses sure, but more successes then failures, in terms of casting. If numbers and statistics are to be used, the studios fail miserably when they trust the fan communities hardcore opinions, and succeed when they focus on the mainstream. This is an over-simplification; don’t go all nerd-rage on me for a simple statement that is editorial (yes), but backed by box office numbers. Because, yes I know, studios do fail on the opposite end of that coin too, Green Lantern is one of those examples, but not for the reasons stated in this article. You are, of course, all welcome to debate that!

Hysterically, I mean historically, some of the craziest fandom explosions were completely irrational & prejudiced ravings. This was brought on by a studio casting re-imagined characters swapping ethnicity, color, or gender.

Re-imagined castings you hated, that you ended up loving

Michael Clark Duncan – The Kingpin
Samuel L. Jackson - Nick Fury
Idris Elba - Heimdall
Lawrence Fishburne - Perry White
Katee Sackoff – Starbuck (Battlestar Galactica – I had to throw her in there!)

How it all turned out. Well, not all of it.

Comic book fans are always going to be extremely passionate, and extremely opinionated about their fantasy castings for a film. Especially if a studio hints at someone that the fans fall in love with over a small period of time, as productions build buzz. Sometimes, when no is yet selected, as a movie is being promoted, the fan community tends to run rampant with its own casting speculations. Sometimes this period can run so long, waiting on the studio to announce their casting, it becomes harder to give up the fantasy. Especially if it has taken on a life of its own on the rumor mill, fueled by modern internet social media.

As long as there are comic book films, there will always be arguments for and against the actors playing our beloved characters. Even if they end up being as successful as most of the examples in this article. In the end, fans will have to remember: Studios are driven by profits gained from the most ticket sales, from the largest possible mainstream audience said studio can gain. Not from sticking to exact comic book interpretations to satisfy the minority of hardcore fans.

Were you among those that hated a casting selection when announced? Were you among those to complain, or still are complaining? Every day this week a new common complaint fans make will be posted.

Comment, tweet, share, bitch, moan, praise, adore, flame, complain about a typo, or add to the conversation however you please. You’re comic book fans, it’s your right! @emanuelfcamacho

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efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 1:48 AM
I have my own levels of hate for various entries, I'm just not hysterical...
pintoman
pintoman - 9/1/2013, 1:51 AM
The simple reason people have an opinion about the choices filmakers make is because they have expectations. Expectations because a version of the character already exists. This goes beyond comic book movies. Any movie made from pre-existing published material will face the same scrutiny.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 1:59 AM
@firgosaurus I agree, but you also just said "If you haven't realized that hating it is half the fun." your last comment is somewhat contradictory to your first.

First comment seems to endorse troll behavior, for the lols. second comment is more sensical, where you convey an opinion, possibly defend it, and move on. No hysterics - I agree with that.

jdrayerdi
jdrayerdi - 9/1/2013, 2:00 AM
Nice article. Sometimes the problem is that fans want to see the actor to have a similar role on what the superhero is going to be, and not only that, they want this similar role to be out of an amazing movie, otherwise they think that the actor cannot portray that kind of role or that the actor sucks being that kind of character.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 2:17 AM
@Charlie don't forget bud, petitions sent to the president of the freaking United States...citing, "It's unamerican to allow Ben Affleck to represent Batman" LOL!

SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/1/2013, 2:33 AM
I rarely see a actor for such high profile blockbuster movies to be a bad cast. These studio giants don't want their money go down and the film-makers are the one to see the auditions not us so it's no point making the argument for such decisions.

There's one thing when a plain bad actor gets the role but it's another when a good actor gets it who at past had some bad movies. I see less people complaining about actor's who are unknown and have not shown any acting abilities previously but look the part than people who had mixed acting career with/without the looks.

Most times when a guy, who is not expected to get cast for a role in a blockbuster movie by a studio, is cast for the fact that they know he will do great but also cause the news will create controversy for publicity matters. If a movie is downright failure then that's not just the actor's fault, the crew behind is as much responsible for it.
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 2:40 AM
@spiderparker Indeed. One of the items I wanted to mention but figured there was no point to do so, it might be a commentary point.

I barely remember seeing any issues in the fan community over Bautista getting cast for Drax. Then I resolved it in my mind, that there wasn't a huge population among of fandom that emotionally connected to Drax, as a whole. So his casting went through mostly unscathed, and I think the studio leaked him in make-up on purpose to help dispel any issues that he wouldn't look the part. He looks amazing! He would have a reason to get pestered over his non-existent acting skills. Humble as he is about gaining the role, he seems to be given a pass.

Obviously on projects like Batman, which I used as an example, the emotional connection to the content is so huge, people lose their minds over anything they themselves don't endorse. Fandom entitlement.
MightyZeus
MightyZeus - 9/1/2013, 2:41 AM
Starting to get used too your good written articles, well done.

I do think that the reason people could be hateful towards the casting of an actor is because it can be attributed to shock and uncertainty towards the actor, it could also being attributed to favoritism of an actor and set actor not getting the part there for they hate the current actor which has gotten the part.
NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 9/1/2013, 2:50 AM
The only complaint people have is that it's Ben Affleck.

He can act, and at the very least, well enough to play Batman.

Affleck looks classically Superhero-ish feature-wise. It's comical really. He can play Superman as well as Batman, not to mention an army of other stiff-jawed Superheroes.

Affleck is a geek and wouldn't take the role lightly and do his best to honor Batman in his performance.

So, the only logical beef with this casting is an unfair one. Because he is well known and is infamous, it may be hard for people to see Bruce Wayne over Ben Affleck. And depending on his voice and manner as Batman, he'll have to lose himself completely in the suited role.
Taboggon
Taboggon - 9/1/2013, 2:57 AM
the public will get used to the idea of Ben as Batman,

casting in recent years has in general been pretty good, with studios getting good fits for the characters.

there have been some notable disasters in years past however, like Anna Paquin in X-men.... ugh
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 2:58 AM
@mindhagz Thanks dude, just fixed it, gracias!
Egg
Egg - 9/1/2013, 3:05 AM
Reality...
1st Complaint: More women need to hang out at Gamestop, the Comic Book Shop & my chatrooms & should be willing to end my scourge of virginity.
2nd-5th Complaint: More women need to read #1.
SageMode
SageMode - 9/1/2013, 3:05 AM
Difference is is that those other actors listed can actually act.............
Egg
Egg - 9/1/2013, 3:06 AM
#6 (Bonus Complaint): Shaliene Woodley is fat.
DarthMauve
DarthMauve - 9/1/2013, 3:09 AM
Actually its not queue, that means to line up and wait for something. The spelling your looking for is Cue, as in a stage cue or script cue.

Google it :)
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 3:14 AM
@darthmauve I had intended Queue - "people in a line waiting for their turn to rage" Cue works too - that's more like "action! Begin bitching!"

Thanks though : )

NeoBaggins
NeoBaggins - 9/1/2013, 3:17 AM
Most of you here shouldn't even be commenting on acting. I've seen the films you gush over. None of which are ever revered for great performances.

True story.
DarthMauve
DarthMauve - 9/1/2013, 3:19 AM
Technically 'Queue fans' means people who are a fan of queuing. Cue is the spelling your after, as in someone waiting for a moment to act or speak.

Fun article either way :)
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/1/2013, 3:45 AM
@efcamachopmp
yeah, but for unknown actors there's also a part of fans that says the movie will go good cause the 'director' knows whats he is doing. Also, sometimes some fans just can't take that there previous actor who played the character is no longer playing it and there next preferred actor is not playing it either so they just try to put all there anger out in the casting be it a good cast or not. But the thing is the maker's know better than most.

It doesn't matter if Ben is getting the hate actually, cause I'm pretty sure WB anticipated the hate and criticism and actually it does them a very good publicity both from fans of the cast and haters of it so they really got a ideal situation for themselves and they must be laughing thinking "Ben can pull it off yet we are getting free publicity".
efcamachopmp
efcamachopmp - 9/1/2013, 3:49 AM
@spiderparker Yep, no such thing as bad publicity, only free publicity.

@darthmauve *sheepish look* I changed it again...derp
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/1/2013, 4:00 AM
Exactly...
126thst
126thst - 9/1/2013, 4:02 AM
What's with all the articles downing CBM fans lately??
Kevwebsz
Kevwebsz - 9/1/2013, 4:22 AM


NEED THIS IN THE BATMAN VS SUPERMAN MOVIE!
thespiderkat
thespiderkat - 9/1/2013, 4:26 AM
fanboys have become addicted to complaining. no matter about what, no matter about who, they have to be bitching and moaning about something all the time. and they have the biggest herd mentality, so most of the time they are just whining on automatic pilot and hating whatever or whoever is "cool" to hate that week......just because.

geno2876
geno2876 - 9/1/2013, 4:29 AM
Comic book fans want whatever perfect version of the movie that exists in their heads. They want this perfect no name actor that looks just like the Bruce Wayne from the comics. Never mind that this person doesn't exist. Never mind that movie studios exist to make money and their choices have to appeal to a mainstream audience.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/1/2013, 4:31 AM
@Batmaniac
That already happened.
SpiderParker
SpiderParker - 9/1/2013, 4:40 AM
I guess we can't be sure until next year.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/1/2013, 4:49 AM


Nuff said.
LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/1/2013, 4:51 AM
batmaniac

Say what you want but you will see Superman/Batman no matter how much you hate this. Hell Nomis hates the Fox-Men but still goes to see and his hate for them is way more than your hate for this casting.
thewolfx
thewolfx - 9/1/2013, 4:56 AM
I dont see the problem with comicbook fans wanting actors who actually embodie the character they love first

As opposed to so off the wall politic decision that they have to hope and wait and see..




This article can choke on hulks dick :)
Havenless
Havenless - 9/1/2013, 4:59 AM
What is even the point of writing a 2 paragraph editorial like this? You should have just put all 5 complaints into 1 article.
Jaxim
Jaxim - 9/1/2013, 5:03 AM
Is the overall consensus that Laurence Fishburne was a good Perry White? He hardly had a part, how can anyone form an opinion one way or the other?

I still contend that Michael Keaton was a poor choice for Bruce Wayne. He acted and looked nothing like Bruce. (i.e. looking in mirror practicing to tell Vicky Vale that "he's Batman". Gag me with a spoon.)

But that is besides the point. There are some choices that I think are obviously wrong or rather not as good as they should be. I think it is okay for fans to voice their opinions. I think casting agents listen to fans to some extent. And once the casting has been made, I think it helps the actor to ensure that they are the top of their game. They can't just phone it in.

As for Ben Afleck, I am in the camp who thinks he's a good choice for no other reason that he is helping to write the script. For I am in the camp who thinks Man of Steel wasn't true to Superman or Clark's character: i.e. not trying to get the fighting moved out of the Metropolis and acting like a baby by placing a semi truck on a telephone pole b/c he was angry at the driver - I could see that happen when he's in his early 20s but not in his 30s.

LEVITIKUZ
LEVITIKUZ - 9/1/2013, 5:04 AM
Havenless

5 times the Adsense.

;P
EliteScumbag7
EliteScumbag7 - 9/1/2013, 5:08 AM
why cast the ex-daredevil who bashed his own comicbookmovie? :D that's a plus to those 5. and i totally agree.
maninfinesuit
maninfinesuit - 9/1/2013, 5:22 AM
Nice editorial. On a side note, I'd have loved to watch an entire film about Laurence Fishburne's reimagined Perry White running his newspaper than what we got.

@EliteScumbag7 At least he's a man about it, unlike, say, Johnny Depp accusing the critics of wah-wah-bullying him because The Lone Ranger sucked. Would you rather Affleck didn't admit his mistakes?
skullboy
skullboy - 9/1/2013, 5:25 AM
Comic fans have a nerve to complain about Anne Hathaway and Katee Sackoff never won me over.
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