Christopher Nolan On Introducing Catwoman And His Involvement With MAN OF STEEL

The director talks about introducing Catwoman (who apparently will NOT be referred to by that name in The Dark Knight Rises) and clarifies his involvement with Man of Steel. Jonathan Nolan also shares his thoughts on what makes Selina Kyle such an important part of the Batman mythos.

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"Catwoman is a very iconic figure in the Batman pantheon," Christopher Nolan tells Empire Magazine, while also confirming that she isn't once referred to by that name in the script. Remain calm though fanboys, because it sounds as if Nolan has a very good grasp on what makes the femme fatale tick. "I was nervous about how she would fit into our world. But Jonah was very much convinced that there would be a great way to do it and eventually turned me around. Once I got my head around the idea of looking at that character through the prism of our films, saying, 'Who could that person be in real-life?' we figured it out. She's a bit of a con-woman, something of a grifter. A hard-edged kind of criminal."

As Christopher mentions above, it was Jonathan Nolan (who worked on the screenplay alongside his brother and David Goyer) who pushed to include Catwoman in the film, and this is what he had to say about her importance and involvement in the finale. "Chris often comes from a position of, 'Why should we do this?' You know, presumed guilty. But I said, 'What we're endeavouring to do here is tell a complete take on the Batman mythos'. And a complete take of the Batman mythos without the character for me was sacrilegious. You've gotta gave her, because she has a delicious greyness to her that helps define who Batman is. She keeps wavering on this line of, 'Is she a good guy or a bad guy?' Well, she's kind of neither. And that's why, to me, that relationship and that character only enhances the universe - and the Batman character."

"It's Zack's movie so it'd be a bit rude of me to turn up and say I've got a few ideas now," laughs the director when talk turned to his involvement with Man of Steel. "My big point of responsibility was helping shepard David's script. When I'm finished with this I'll be there for whatever Zack wants from me, but it's very much his movie." As for his time working with the Caped Crusader, he adds, "It's an incredibly fun arena to work in and incredibly rewarding, so I will look back on it very fondly. But I'm done with it." Be sure to pick up the latest issue of Empire Magazine to read much more from those working on The Dark Knight Rises.

STARRING:

Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman
Michael Caine as Alfred
Gary Oldman as Commissioner Jim Gordon
Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox
Tom Hardy as Bane
Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman
Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake
Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate
Josh Pence as Ra's Al Ghul

RELEASE DATE: July 20th, 2012


Source: Empire Magazine
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7166charlie - 5/28/2012, 8:30 AM
NOT MENTIONED ONCE AS CATWOMAN?? WTF
superotherside - 5/28/2012, 8:33 AM
Awesome. Can't wait to see a Man of Steel trailer. Glad he gave at least a little update on it...
superotherside - 5/28/2012, 8:34 AM
blueberryicedcoffee She was too. She was called Black Widow by the Russian guys.
thalidomide - 5/28/2012, 8:39 AM
TheDetectiveComicRises - 5/28/2012, 8:46 AM
@iLoveMarvelAndDC U talking about U hate TDKR and have scene the whole thing its because U want it to fail but it will not & even if it does not make as much as Avengers that does not mean it will not be a better movie because things are heating up for TDKR & imagine with July roles around. DO if you think U can't handle it now do yourself a favor just don't read or comment on anymore articles because U have been hating on them I mean yea U got a right to your opinion but U don't have to express on every page.

The Dark Knight Rises will be Epic with or without U ;)
ThePowerCosmic - 5/28/2012, 8:49 AM
That's a Tarantula not a black widow! But a nice GIF nonetheless!

I think Catwoman is going to die in this film.
thalidomide - 5/28/2012, 8:50 AM
silverdog - 5/28/2012, 8:59 AM
catwoman not even in name only.

can't wait......... for the reebot.
BlackFlash - 5/28/2012, 9:01 AM
As long as TDKR is more like BB and less like TDK I know I'm gonna like it. TDK bored me in way to many places it also seemed like a villain film to me and less about the hero.
Ranger14 - 5/28/2012, 9:04 AM
BlackFlash@ That's how I felt about TDK.

"I was nervous about how she would fit into our world."

"What we're endeavouring to do here is tell a complete take on the Batman mythos'. And a complete take of the Batman mythos without the character for me was sacrilegious."

This is where I have a challenge with Nolan. It shouldn't be a challenge to be able to fit Catwoman into any Batman world. As acknowledged, she is an important part of the Batman mythos, so it should be a no-brainer, but he has to walk around with "kid gloves" on to try to make everything "real" so it fits into "his" world. So, let's put her in the film, but God forbid we call her Catwoman...that would just be silly, but it isn't silly to call someone Batman. I guess she isn't THAT important to the Batman mythos as they are afraid to even refer to her as Catwoman.
BIGBMH - 5/28/2012, 9:05 AM
Dick Grayson is more important than Selina Kyle. If they wanted to do a complete take on the mythos, it's "sacrilegious" not to include him. With this 8 year gap they've chosen to go with, they've even removed the old excuse that Dick would have been too young at that point in Bruce's life.
TheDetectiveComicRises - 5/28/2012, 9:09 AM
It is not a bad thing that she is not called Catwoman, Harvey not really called Two-Face in TDK the name was mentioned but they did not called him that directly except on when he asked about the name when he was in the hospital & Gorden said it, Black Widow is not constantly referred to as Black Widow in the movies I like this because we know where the characters evolve in the future as far as names plus when the announcement was made Nolan said Bane & Selina Kyle will be in The Dark Knight Rises. I think this is Selina before she become totally Catwoman. Regardless I will be there on July 20th bank on it :)
Madmex93 - 5/28/2012, 9:10 AM
They only call Dent two-face once in the Dark Knight and it was only in reference to his nickname in internal affairs. Apart from that they call him Dent even when he becomes two-face.
capfan88 - 5/28/2012, 9:11 AM
"A complete take of the Batman mythos without the character was for me sacreligious," says David Nolan. Given this, plus the character John Blake, isn't it reasonable to speculate that ROBIN will show up in some form in the film, even if just hinted at in the end of the film?

If catwoman is a central character in the Batman mythos, isn't ROBIN/NIGHTWING, too? My $10 bucks is on John Blake assuming the role of ROBIN/NIGHTWING at some point in the film, even if, like Catwoman, they never refer to him as such.
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:14 AM
There's nothing wrong with that. That happens a lot with CBMs. Thank you Jonathan Nolan for being "cooler" than your brother. And I definitely feel like this trilogy encompasses the entire Batman culture.
NeoBaggins - 5/28/2012, 9:15 AM
Don't know about this one. I would have thought they would have at least done it in a way where the public/news coined her as Catwoman.
Madmex93 - 5/28/2012, 9:16 AM
I was watching Batman:Under The Red Hood last night, and i was just thinking "man they need to adapt this into a live action version".
GiantNerd0720 - 5/28/2012, 9:16 AM
@ramon What do you think he means by shepard his script? Does that mean Nolan Co wrote it or what? I guess I don't speak Nolan language.
BIGBMH - 5/28/2012, 9:17 AM
@capfan88, There have been 5 Robins. None of them have been named John Blake. If John is intended to be a Nightwing-esque character, yet he isn't any of the 4 male characters who have served as Batman's sidekick and his alter ego isn't called Robin or Nightwing, that does not count in the slightest.
Matador - 5/28/2012, 9:18 AM
Sooo..she dosen't look like Catwoman, is not called Catwoman, and she's a drifter oohhhh yeah that makes sense.
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:21 AM
I do not believe John Blake is Robin/Nightwing. Although, he may very well fill the Robin/Nightwing/Azrael archetype in this trilogy. He is involved with the Boy's School in this film, so he definitely represents the new generation that will inherit a "broken" Gotham (cue Batman's need to save it). And he'll probably fight alongside Batman. Which as I think about it- is a great motive for Bruce- since he inherited everything.
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:23 AM
She is referred to as "a cat burglar" -- if that's a consolation...
elessarundomiel2382 - 5/28/2012, 9:25 AM
They could've had ROBIN as a drug-addicted teenager depressed over the loss of his parents, very different to how Batman turned out. Batman promises to teach him and give him purpose after being caught stealing the Batpod. Richard Grayson pimps up the Batpod and makes it more sleek and velvet red.
95 - 5/28/2012, 9:28 AM
Each film in the trilogy had a color theme which could be found on Batman's costume in the comics (orange, blue, grey) and spanned the archetypes of villains found in the comics (fear, chaos, pain).

BB - Orange - Fear
TDK - Blue - Chaos
TDKR - Grey - Pain
Kent86 - 5/28/2012, 9:28 AM
All I have to say to the hater hating on TDKR it took 6 mavel characters to surpass 1 DC legend.. Go figure and still the dark knight will reign king after july
DukeAcureds - 5/28/2012, 9:30 AM
Totally agree about Robin. If they're truly attempting to do a complete telling of the mythology, then Robin, in some shape or form, is essential. Not neccesarily Grayson, but definitely Robin.
Comix - 5/28/2012, 9:31 AM
I get the feeling some people are just forcing themselves to like this...let this have been whedon, michal bay or anyone else they would have gotten HELL.

Comix - 5/28/2012, 9:33 AM
@kent

It tooks like 10000 movies of that dc legend to get to where he is now. Only took marvel like...less.
Matador - 5/28/2012, 9:34 AM
Yeah but look how long it took them to get that character right to begin with 8 movies now (yeah I'm including the Adam West Batman too) Marvel one......nuff said.
JatevinM - 5/28/2012, 9:37 AM
It kinda makes sense that she wouldn't be called Catwoman by anyone. She is a burglar and a thief which really wouldn't earn her the Catwoman name.
DukeAcureds - 5/28/2012, 9:37 AM
As far as villians go, though, I have to give him props for choice. With the exception of Scarecrow, they are all quintessential to the mythology. And you've got to have an Arkham doctor go mad, at some point, I suppose.
Madmex93 - 5/28/2012, 9:40 AM
in batman#1 she was only called cat and her costume was nothing like what many of you "comic book purists" are demanding for. Just Saying.
Ranger14 - 5/28/2012, 9:41 AM
"It kinda makes sense that she wouldn't be called Catwoman by anyone. She is a burglar and a thief which really wouldn't earn her the Catwoman name.'

Umm....please pick up a comic book and read the source material before you make that comment. It may save you a little bit of embarrassment. ;-)
TheHitchhikingGhost - 5/28/2012, 9:41 AM
I'm oddly ok with this because I so hate that Hathaway is in the role.
soforizo - 5/28/2012, 9:42 AM
@Kent86

iLoveMarvelAndDC isn't a TDKR hater, he's a full-fledged Nolanite trying to start a flame war. He's creative, I'll give him that.
goatmilk - 5/28/2012, 9:42 AM
Damn Nolan's really letting the info flow today
JasonCYates - 5/28/2012, 9:43 AM
Actually they did call The BLACK WIDOW by her superhero name, in her first scene in THE AVENGERS movie, those Russian Criminals refer to her by that name (in Russian)mocking her.
soforizo - 5/28/2012, 9:48 AM
@Just1Superguy

Get your head out of Nolan's azz. Batman and CBMs in general would be just as fine without his trilogy.
soforizo - 5/28/2012, 9:52 AM
@thewonderer

Maybe in your world which revolves around Nolan. But CBMs were proven successful before Nolan.
figuresmaniac - 5/28/2012, 9:52 AM
I'd prefer she will at least be referred as the Catwoman on the news or by the police. Still I'm still excited for this movie
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