Zak Penn Says There Was "Discussion" To Use Red Skull As The Villain In THE AVENGERS

I honestly don't care much for Red Skull, but it'd be nice to find out what happened to him after he got beamed up.

he was good in captain america,but loki was a better choice of villain for the avengers,nice homage to the classic avengers 1 from 1963.

I didnt mind Red Skull, i hate Loki though, he doesnt seem like a worthy villain of The Avengers.

Penn is not a good writer

SO glad this did not happen. Thor movie AFTER the Avengers? thats no fun at all. It was great the way it was because you go into Avengers already knowing everyones back story

"something surely only fans of Elektra and X-Men: The Last Stand were disappointed about" So, I guess Zac Penn never wrote The Incredible Hulk did he? He didn't actually do a good superhero movie and only wrote a piece of garbage and a character-overloaded X-Men movie? Yeah, keep thinking that man.

@ Azazel1

captain america wasn't terrible,i tell you what films are terrible.

catwoman
jonah hex
green lantern
batman forever
batman & robin
superman 3
superman 4
superman returns
swamp thing
return of the swamp thing
ghost rider
ghost rider 2
x-men origins wolverine
fantastic four
fantastic four 2
spider-man 3
x-men 3
blade 3
howard the duck
elektra
daredevil

all these films are terrible,captain america is superior to all these comic book movies.

What part of the cap movie had bad cgi?

Bunch of trolls calling red skull second rate...

Bino lovers -_-

Skull will cameo in Thor 2

CA was awful...worst of the MCU by far...Red Skull would have been a mistake...awful portrayal of a villain....just bad....

Hack Penn couldn't write a grocery list without screwing it up.

@Jesseportal....The scene in the 3rd act where they're chasing the Red Skull's plane and they're about to drive off the cartoon runway in the cartoon car is pretty cringeworthy.

I'm just not a Red Skull fan. He may have worked well in the 40's & 60's but today. He's just outdated.

Nice to know Red Skull is alive. Probably wouldn't have worked in Avengers. Just glad Whedon took over before this Zak chump destroyed the best comic movie ever

@Jessepostal: I remember a scene in the montage halfway through the film where Cap leaps off a tank as it explodes in the background. That was a pretty unconvincing use of of CGI, it didn't look all that good.

@warcam and Alex, that's not bad cgi that's the style of the movie, just like sin city or sky captain, that comic look and feel. Bad cgi is for instance a scene in the avengers when cap jumps up to the platform outside the hellicarrior to check the equipment for stark. That's cringe worthy

captain america tfa is the worst movie of mcu. It's so bad that it makes iron man 2 look like a decent film. Every thing about the movie was so stupid and it wasn't a suprise to find out that cap was useless and the worst in the avengers. They could have made it atleast decent by hiring steven spielberg as the whole movie was trying to rip off indiana jones. So why not get the real man for the job. Plus they didn't capture atmosphere of war at all. It was so unbelieveable. They should have made it more like saving private ryan. Just imagine a superhero in those dark times. It would have been great. Next, evans doesnt look like cap at all he is still looks and acts like johnny they should have got a better actor that didn't play and marvel roles before. Lastly where the hell were the freaking nazis. Yes i know those dudes were a part of nazi but i want him fight the real ones. Overall one of the worst superhero movies.

Wouldn't have minded seeing him as I enjoyed CA:TFA, but I think Loki knocked it out of the park that I'm ok with Skull not being in Avengers. However, I'd like to see him make a return in a future film.

I concur with marvel72 -post

@AnotherSinisterClone -

What are you talking about, there are plenty of Marvel movies on that list. Open your eyes. you trying to start a fight that's totally unnecessary. That entire list is crap. those movies are a disgrace to CBM

Captain America was poor but it was better than the previous capt America movie with I d Salinger. Avengers was good but at any point was there a feeling of real threat. Loki and Iron Man where a bit too camp for me, there where a couple of scenes that where so cheesy that I couldn't look at the screen. Overall it was nonsense but good nonsense.

Billytwohats- Is there ever a threat of the villian really winning? Isn't that the point of CBM's? I never felt in any CBM, including the Nolan movies, that hero wouldn't prevail. So if the nuke blew up Manhattan then it would hip and ironic?

All I can say is, thank Odin for Joss Whedon!!!

@ AnotherSinisterClone

you can like what you want but to say a film is terrible when there is alot worse out there is stupid.

also there is dc(11)& marvel(11) films on that list i wasn't being bias at all.

I do like how Marvel has been doing the movie universe since the release of Iron Man in 08, a THOR movie after the Avengers does not make since.
THOR and Captain America were good films, for what they were! They were both lead in films to The Avengers. If The Avengers had not been on the table right after those films were release, I think both movies would have actually been a little better. I feel like both films were a little rushed into production, so the studio could hurry and make The Avengers, which really turned out great.
I'm a huge Captain America fan and loved the movie, but felt like the studio were treating Cap and THOR like secondary characters and didn't get the treatment that Iron Man had. We can all agree that Iron Man is better than THOR or Cap, and runner up to The Avengers, and the issue with Iron Man 2 was, make the movie, so we can make THOR and Cap, and than film The Avengers, because they wanted the Actors who they choose to play the roles, make half of the movies they were contracted to make, the one arrangement that the actors like, RDJ, Chris E., and Sam J, agreed to, because the actors are A-Listers, and will choose a great part in a movie over money any day, so Marvel filmed as many movies back to back as they could because if RDJ wants to make a different movie before Iron Man or The Avengers he will, and if that film like any other takes half a year or year of the actors time, that means we have to wait longer for these Marvel movies to come out. And the studio jump all over this universe right after Iron Man hit, and wanted to capitilize on the success before their time ran out. Which we all hope will never end, comic book movies for life.
If you read this post, I know I just started typing random thoughts, but thxs for reading.

One more comment,from what someone else stated about the bad comic book movies. I agree that X-Men 3 and Spider-Man 3 were crap along with Superman Returns, really Bryan Singer who jumped ship on X3 to make or remake a Superman movie. If Singer stayed on to do X3, I think we might have had a first good comic book movie trilogy, but who knows. And yes Hulk was long and very character driven, but what I thought was a good attempt at putting the Hulk on screen. Also Elecktra, and both Ghost Rider movies, along with Fantastic Four were not taken serious and was at some point a good idea, with a good script, but let the studio make the film and not the film makers. And somebody please tell me why a studio would hire the director of DareDevil ( yes the film made money, and had some people who actually like it,* I find it as a guilty pleasure* ) but overall the film was campy enough to the point of being called Batman&Robin 2, would let this guy do another comic book movie. Ghost Rider the same director; Mark Steven Johnson produce two bad comic book movies, one so bad that we can't even get a remake or a reboot to save the character. But we still live in a world were we get a second Ghost Rider movie, confirmation on a Fantastic Four reboot, rebooting the Batman franchise after only 8 years of what can only be called the low point of comic book movies, and now almost ten years haved passed, and nothing really happening with DareDevil. I know that Elecktra was kind of a seq to DD or a spin off of it, and it really hurt the chances of a DD reboot anytime soon after that, but come on please DD needs some redemption and soon.