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Aaron Two-Face Eckhart Talks About The Bat's Future

In this candid interview with MTV Aaron Eckhart discusses how he would campaign to come back in a Nolan helmed Batman 3. Aaron also confirms the Joker/Batman 3 rumor.


Many thanks to MTV for providing the above video.

"If Chris called me, I would certainly do it," states Eckhart. "I would do anything for Chris. ... But as far as I'm concerned, my character's dead."

So no more Two Face, which, by me, that's fine. I thought Nolan hit the nail on the head with his version of Two Face in "The Dark Knight." In the real world, which seems to be the way the Nolan Bat universe works, Two Face wouldn't last that long anyway with half of his face melted off.

When asked about the Joker's return in the third Nolan helmed Batman movie, Aaron states:

"I think 'Dark Knight' was always Heath's movie, and Heath was definitely the motor and the vehicle that was to continue on with the movie," he states. "I'm not sure that it's not better just to start all over and find different characters for the next movie."

Aaron is probably right. But The Joker has to be present at least in the back drop of any future Batman movie for it to be a huge success. I'm not talking 200 million I'm talking "The Dark Knight" numbers. If you don't think the WB execs are thinking the same way then you're just fooling yourselves.

So that brings up the next question. Who could play The Joker? My answer to that is Johnny Depp. I think Johnny Depp is talented enough to mimic what Heath did for the role. Remember, Heath didn't want the Joker role. Heath, reportedly, did his best to screw it up to get fired and then collect his paycheck. So what we had with the TDK's Joker is a very talented actor doing his best to screw the role up only to nail it and turn in one of this century's best performances.
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145 Comments

new Joker omg the fancast horror on cbm
undeadpool - 9/10/2009, 1:06 PM
No Joker for another 20 years.
TheUnknown - 9/10/2009, 1:10 PM
No new joker...if anyone Paul Bettany. Lets just keep it good and bring in a bad ass villain. Riddler!
YorickBrown355 - 9/10/2009, 1:12 PM
Well at least mentioned anyway. I don't think they would actually put a new Joker in the movie. Mainly because that attention would be drawn away from the other characters. Unless a cameo at the end where he's all psyco and escaping from the asylum. I'm still not sure what villain would be the best for the next movie.
StrangemannX09 - 9/10/2009, 1:14 PM
Jude Law as the Joker. they were close friends, both have similar acting styles, and they are somewhat similar in appearance.

I would also settle fro Benicio Del Torro
THEHAWK - 9/10/2009, 1:14 PM
I say they go with an unknown villain for the next one. I'm thinking Calendar Man and Killer Croc as a mob hitman.

Calendar Man would give Bats a more psychological foe that would test his detective skills. i wrote a fan fic a while back for it that I think shows how well he can be portrayed.
THEHAWK - 9/10/2009, 1:17 PM
third time has not been the charm for cbm's
undeadpool - 9/10/2009, 1:20 PM
If it wasn't going to be an unknown, I would say Johnny Depp also. I know he's rumored for the Riddler...but I think he's the only known guy I can think of that could pull off a similar performance. Either way, I'd rather the Joker be a smaller character in the next one...just give us a taste and then bring back the Joker full throttle in the 4th movie.
Bamf7 - 9/10/2009, 1:20 PM
BENICIO DEL TORO for JOKER!!! Depp for Riddler :))

Shaman - 9/10/2009, 1:22 PM
I like Benicio for it or DANIEL DAY LEWIS haha theyre both fantastic method actors and no one can give us that o theyre too old BS theyll be wearing make up the whole time and they have scars on their ace no one will be able to tell
Set2Fallfirst - 9/10/2009, 1:25 PM
I don't think calendar man is mainstream enough for it to help push a movie. The reason they were able to use Ra's for the first one was because he appeared in Batman:TAS as well as scarecrow. I'd definitely go with Croc, just because with technology today, he could be crazy. Instead of Calendar Man, I'd say Hugo Strange. He appeared in TAS and he's a psychologist and creepy at the same time. If you have a link to your fan fic, lemme know then I'll read it, and maybe agree with you, but for now, not too hot on the CM. I think maybe with the Croc mob hitman, maybe have Ventriloquist/Scarface have a cameo who hires croc to get that ball rolling.
Tobuttica - 9/10/2009, 1:26 PM
Well Mob bosses def are needed. I say Black Mask, and possibly Penguin Cameo. You need a love interest so Talia seeking reveng possibly. OR Catwoman. Lastly you need a real serious threat I would go with Deadshot. This all comes with the atmosphere of Gotham changing. Every movie has it's own feel. The third installment would be no different. It should def have Bat's getting knocked around a bit more.
StrangemannX09 - 9/10/2009, 1:26 PM
@ shaman totally agree Depp for Riddler. They can bring him in as a dective he's been one before in the comics. and then he gets so obsessed with batman he becomes evil and tries to kill and comes up with a motive to affective and reek havoc on gotham. AND he can find out his identity like in HUSH but we know he wont tell anyone becuase its to big of a riddle to spoil
Set2Fallfirst - 9/10/2009, 1:27 PM
Depp is a great actor dont get me wrong, but there seems to be a want to over cast him in EVERYTHING... i would much rather see Mark Hamill play the joker in a real life movie, at least you get the wonderful voice of his that we have all identified as the Joker's over the years (T.A.S. FTW)
hbk82287 - 9/10/2009, 1:33 PM
I know may people are going to hate this choice, but i think

would be a good choice. He kind of looks like Ledger and is a fantastic actor.
Watchtower31 - 9/10/2009, 1:36 PM
@Hawk: Calendar Man and Killer Croc would be awesome for the next one... What the URL to your FanFic Batman story??

Benicio Del Toro for Joker!!!

@Unknown: What!!!??? How about no Joker for a year??? 20 years it too long without the Joker.
TheCritic17 - 9/10/2009, 1:37 PM
hbk82281...

That would be GREAT....Infact I have thought about for a while... Its as if you picked my braind or something...

I would REALLY like to see Mark Hamill as the Joker!

Bord Friendly Mark Hamill as Joker Pictures, Images and Photos
NubaX - 9/10/2009, 1:37 PM
Firstly, there's no need for Joker in the next film. Heath gave a great performance, the Joker was captured at the end of the movie, so if anything, all they need to do is mention him. It would be a mistake to recast anyone, because the audience would spend their time comparing the performance instead of enjoying the movie.
Secondly.... why do people want to see the Riddler? He's not a bad-ass villain. Even in many of the comics, Batman himself doesn't consider the Riddler to be much of a challenge. That would be a terrible idea. Based on what Nolan's done with the past 2 movies, he'll most likely want a villain completely different from Joker or Scarecrow. I'm thinking Black Mask makes a lot of sense, especially with the current gotham mobsters falling apart. And for marketing purposes, there will have to be a new love interest. I would expect Catwoman.
hescian - 9/10/2009, 1:37 PM
Why can't we just have a different villian? God! I'm starting to [frick]ing hate DC!
BmanHall - 9/10/2009, 1:45 PM
I don't think the Joker NEEDS to be in it, but it would be nice to know what exactly happened to him...a cameo would be nice.

I also would go with Black Mast as the next main villain, who is trying to consolidate all of the remaining mob factions and trying to murder Bruce Wayne.

As far as a secondary villain, I would either go with Deadshot or Penguin.

...and NO CATWOMAN! I'd rather see some brotherly love...bring on ROBIN!
Macksimus - 9/10/2009, 1:46 PM
Hescian @ Is right, no need for a JOKER in BATS 3, leave it for BATS 4 atleast! ; )

Oh CRISPIN GLOVER is the JOKER!!!



We need hired guns to HUNT DOWN THE BAT!!!

DEADSHOT & DEATHSTROKE!!!

Plus maybe a behind the scenes RIDDLER!


LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 1:47 PM
joseph gordon levitt. he is one of if not the best young actor working, looks oddly similar to Heath, and could easily do the part.
l0rdleg0las - 9/10/2009, 1:47 PM
I hate to give Depp the compliment that I'm gonna give him, but he's the only one I trust with the role of Joker. He's got the chops to take Ledger's Joker and run with it while still retaining Ledger's portrayal.
ASSASSIN666 - 9/10/2009, 1:49 PM
MARK HAMILL, MARK HAMMIL, MARK HAMMIL, MARK HAMMIL, MARK HAMMIL. HES GOT THE LOOK, THE VOICE AND OF COURSE THE LAUGH LUKE SKYWALKER SHOULD BE THE JOKER!!!!!
cbsmitty2 - 9/10/2009, 1:49 PM
I wouldn't say dont have the Joker for another 20 years thats just ridiculous and pointless, just because Heath unfortunatley died doesn't mean that the character has to, I mean if anything I think it would be disrespectful to Heath to say that only he can play him because the guy obviously didn't liked being stuck to one role, he's such a diverse actor I think that it would probably bug him to just be known as the Joker and to me that is only one of the many characters he has portrayed beautifully, bring in a new Joker who does something a little different from Heath yet still follows the same look and feel of Ledger's joker, and besides the story can be changed so that the Joker doesn't have to be a major part of 3 even tho that was the original idea, characters get replaced all the time the Joker is no different
Ryden - 9/10/2009, 1:50 PM
actors have jobs and when they die or anything bad happens to them another person has to fill there spots so theirs have to be another joker
flames809 - 9/10/2009, 1:55 PM
cbsmitty2 @ MARK HAMILL for the BATMAN BEYOND JOKER! ; )
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 1:58 PM
I agree that we don't have to wait another 20 years for another Joker, I just think that Batman has arguably the best gallery of villains in comics. There are so many interesting villains to choose from. Hollywood has a bad habit of rehashing ideas over and over again until they have been thoroughly ruined, and I'd hate to see that happen with the Joker.

Both Nolan films have been heavy on a particular theme. Begins was all about fear, every conversation mentions fear. TDK was all about duality. So it's really a matter of figuring out what the theme of the third movie will be. If it's "power", maybe Black Mask, or even possibly Bane (or something to do with the venom). Maybe it'll be about Batman needing help, so Robin, or Catwoman will be involved.

So the real question, is what's gonna be the theme of the new movie?
hescian - 9/10/2009, 1:58 PM
I think Crispin Glover would make a good Joker.

For those who aren't familiar with him he was George McFly in the Back to the Future movies.

I personally am against the use of the Joker character for a while because I just can't picture anyone doing it justice after Heath's performance. But if the execs have to do it I say go with Crispin.
Carcharoth - 9/10/2009, 2:00 PM
@NubaX dude i have waited for someone else to say that man
bleedthefreak16 - 9/10/2009, 2:01 PM
Riddler is a better chalenge that Joker actually. I don't see your point hescian. Joker's chaotic while Riddler's calculated. Riddler uses his wits much much more than Joker and sometimes it's all it takes. Maybe you haven't read many Riddler stories that were well written but ask yourself this: If Riddler was ever as lame as you make him out to be, why the hell would he be the favored villain for the next film??? There's a hell of alot of people that think Riddler is Batman's best villain after Joker. And IMO, he's way better than penguin or any muscle bound monster Bats ever faced. I'd love a Riddler/Shiva triangle for the next film, personnaly.
Shaman - 9/10/2009, 2:01 PM
Carch @ ; )

LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 2:06 PM
SHAMAN @ I say HELL YES to the RIDDLER!

But as BATS is on the run, DEADSHOT & DEATHROKE would be cool hired to take him down!
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 2:10 PM
Shaman, it's not that I personally don't like the Riddler character. And I agree, he is much more calculating than the Joker. The reason why he is not a Bad-Ass villain, is because in almost all instances, his crime is fairly non-violent. Usually it's theft, and the like, to prove his own intelligence. In a Nolan Batman movie, the Riddler (if based on the comic character) is not a villain that would create an urgency for Batman to stop him.
As to your question, "why the hell alot of people that think Riddler is Batman's best villain after Joker". Very simply, the Riddler was made popular by the 60's Batman tv show. If you were to ask 10 people on the street if they know any Batman villains, Riddler's name will be mentioned for that very reason. Frank Gorshin was fantastic in that show! It's Frank Gorshin that people like, not the Riddler...
hescian - 9/10/2009, 2:14 PM
no joker for the next movie. batman has dozens of quality villians to choose from. no need to rehash. i like lee77 idea the best. bring in riddler along with one of the assissin type villians.
superdog - 9/10/2009, 2:15 PM
@Everyone. Here is my Batman story I was talking about.

I also reposted it in Fan Fic

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ChroniclesofMoeniaArcis/news/?a=6927
THEHAWK - 9/10/2009, 2:16 PM
Superdog @ HELL YEAH! ; )
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 2:16 PM
Hey thinking about it Harvey Dent is Dead, that doesn't me 2 face is, C. Nolan might have thought of that.
Misterfan - 9/10/2009, 2:25 PM
i agree with the comment above BEGINS has the theme of FEAR, TDK was about DUALITY, so i think the 3 will be DEDUCTION with the villians being RIDDLER, PENGUIN (BATS has to prove hes 1 mob boss in gotham) and VICKY VEIL working for the GOTHAM GIZZETTE traking THE BATMAN

everyone in the plot deals with DEDUCTIVE and "detective-esque" rasoning
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 2:27 PM
They have to at least mention Joker in the next one. They can even do a small cameo in Arkham with Joker in his cell, but you can't really see him totally.

Riddler for next Bat-villain. (David Tennant or Michael C Hall)

Black Mask for new mob boss/secondary villain (Guy Pearce)

Deadshot for assassin hired by BM to take out Bats
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/10/2009, 2:32 PM
i don't get it...everyone seems to think that a future batman movie can't work without the joker, which is asinine. thats like saying no batman comic should ever be written without the joker in it because it wouldn't sell. everyone thats ever read batman comics knows that he's not in them all. in fact there's probably more where he's not present at all. i wouldn't mind a cameo of him, or have him in the shadows or whatever, but he doesn't NEED to be in it to be a success. was he in the first one?? i thought not
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2009, 2:35 PM
i wish BEN FROM LOST was younger so he could play THE RIDDLER...LOL
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 2:35 PM
Corndog: I agree. Joker is not necessary to have as a villain in a Bat movie. But, after all the things that happened in TDK, I think a mention/cameo should be in there somewhere.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/10/2009, 2:38 PM
JOKER will prolly have A TINY CAMEO IN ARKHAM in THE NEXT BATS FILM @INTYLERWETRUST82 like SCARECROW IN TDK, JOKER will just laugh silently in his cell deeply shadowed!!!
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 2:42 PM
@ tyler

absolutely, man, i agree with that. i'm just tired of seeing, almost on a daily basis, people saying that he HAS to be in it, "it won't work without him". we all know thats bull. bring on bane already
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2009, 2:43 PM
Firefly!!!! lol I think he should get more media attention! or Deadshot! I don't actually mind Riddler and would love to see a serious one or a serious Bane that'd be immense
Frogman - 9/10/2009, 2:44 PM
@Hawk: Thanks man!!! I'll check your story out!!! Also, I posted my Watchmen sequel Part 2 a couple of days ago in FanFic... check it out!!!
TheCritic17 - 9/10/2009, 2:47 PM
RIDDLER is guaranteed almost...i hate PENGUIN and so does NOLAN but he could work....DEADSHOT would be very interesting....MY DREAM IS MICKEY ROURKE AS CLAYFACE in all seriousness, he would be perfect
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 2:49 PM
Though it'll be near impossible to replace the excellet Heath Ladger I think that James Franco would make a good Joker! :)

joshw24 - 9/10/2009, 2:53 PM
@ watchtower...... it took me a bit, and i said it was stupid alot... but after some thought... i think ur right, i think the suggestion for benicio del toro is awful, he would have the creepiness like in sin city, but he's definitely missing the arrogance, and complexity heath had, if leo was all dressed up with the right outfit and make up, he could do the job right
fotc - 9/10/2009, 2:53 PM
JOSH @ You want the guy who played GREEN GOBLIN to play the JOKER??????????????????????????

Oh my lol! : /
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 3:04 PM
LEE: bah! he didnt play the GREEN GOBLIN!!! he played some pathetic light version of the character...when he showed the crazy side of Harry Osborn though - well, that guy I can see being The Joker!!! Who's Crispin Glover anyway!?!
joshw24 - 9/10/2009, 3:10 PM
If they did have to cast a new joker, my vote would be Mackenzie Crook.
He's a fine actor, skinny, creepy, and (as Nolan seems to like) British.
I can't seem to paste a pic of him, but you can see him here:
http://www.broadwayworld.com/columnpic/tn-500_crookwm1308183352.jpg
hescian - 9/10/2009, 3:13 PM
if there ever introduce robin the movie could be called the rise of robin or something like that
flames809 - 9/10/2009, 3:17 PM
CRISPIN GLOVER-MARTY MCFLY SR (BTTF SERIES)
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 3:30 PM
JOSH @ IMBD CRISPIN GLOVER dude, he's a fantastic actor!!!

Actually you got a point about GOBLIN in SPIDEY 3 lol! ; )
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 3:33 PM
I don't see a problem with having someone new play the Joker, but I think he should have a cameo appearance in the movie.

I'd like to see some brute force in there now!

Let's see Bane, Clayface or Killer Croc!!!!! Think of the fights they could have there. :)
Runefyst - 9/10/2009, 3:38 PM
@Flames

I agree, I am kind of thinking Robin is the way to go for the next movie. The first one was about Bruce becoming Bats, the second introduced his most dangerous nemisis, and the next one should be about Robin.

Next to the Joker, Robin is probably the 2nd most important character in the Batman universe.

Introducing a sidekick/friend/brother/son/ into the mix to help further develop Batman's character would be ideal IMO.

Otherwise, the 3rd movie would be much like the second one.
Macksimus - 9/10/2009, 3:39 PM
GORDON LEVITT FOR JOKER.
GUNSMITH - 9/10/2009, 3:42 PM
I don't know who should play the joker but I don't think they should mimic Heath Ledger's performance. That was the performance of a lifetime and I believe it would be disrespectful to have someone try to copy that. Instead I think they should draw from the graphic novel, Joker. In the story, joker returns from Arkham changed. He states that "[Hes] not crazy anymore", and his personality is different than has ever been depicted. If he fully returns in another film, he should emerge with a slightly different personality, as if his time locked away has changed him. Then, they wont have to worry about finding someone who can look and act like Ledger.
BmacAttack - 9/10/2009, 3:52 PM
@josh: YOu don't know Crispin Glover?? Thats ok, but haven't you seen Back To the Future? He Martin McFly Sr... father of Marty McFly Jr...
TheCritic17 - 9/10/2009, 4:03 PM
guy's how bout jack nicholson again sorry don't know how to spell his name he would be awsome!! even if he's old!
gambitfreak - 9/10/2009, 4:04 PM
2 Face is dead...accept it, and I'm not sure where the next Batman film will lead into. Just leave as is
Instantclassic - 9/10/2009, 4:08 PM
I have said for a long time even before Ledger got the part that Crispin Glover would be awesome as the Joker. Even though he is older then Ledger. I think Cridpin would even be better then Ledger to be honest he looks more like Joker in the comic plus the guy is just kind of creepy
Dmon - 9/10/2009, 4:12 PM
No new Joker!!!! Everyone should be satisfied. We need Johnny Depp as a morbid, dark Riddler the way he's supposed to be. Not a campy, happy Frank Gorshin hopping around a submarine. His clues that he leaves behind should be like a riddle written in blood on the wall, or something miniscule that only Bats could find or notice. The riddler should be cool and cruel, not some giddy school girl in a green outfit. Jim Carrey's riddler was horrible
KillerOfSaints - 9/10/2009, 4:58 PM
@JOSHW24-

Besides Back to the Future he was also in Willard.....creepy @ss movie, lol.
Talontd - 9/10/2009, 5:03 PM
AWESOME!!! I can now see CBM's new Logo!!! Thanks @CBM and great Logo!!!!

@Talentd: Yeah that was one f*cked up movie...
TheCritic17 - 9/10/2009, 5:04 PM
@ killerofsaints

no offense, but the riddler isn't "supposed" to be "dark and morbid". he's supposed to be a skinny nerdy type guy thats obsessed with beating batman in a game of wits (through his riddles). but he's not overly violent or "dark" in any way...at least not in the comics.

i do agree, jim carey just played the riddler like ace ventura. he was a horrible riddler.
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2009, 5:06 PM
i really hope riddler isn't the villain. but i'd settle for 10 riddlers than have to suffer through one penguin. he's the worst comic character ever
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2009, 5:08 PM
No Joker for the next one or riddler. get the ventralquist to bring the mobs together and hires killer croc as a hired hand.

BrutalDuke
BrutalDuke - 9/10/2009, 5:11 PM
@Corndog

no offense taken, i just thought the riddler of the 60's show and Carrey were over the top. But Nolan could go that route with a "dark", yet insanely intelligent Riddler who leaves sadistic clues to his crimes. Getting away from the campy chracters of yester-year is the way to go.
KillerOfSaints - 9/10/2009, 5:12 PM
Good idea Brutal!!! really good idea!
KillerOfSaints - 9/10/2009, 5:16 PM
@ killerofsaints

yeah, for the nolan universe thats really the way to go if they decide on the riddler. and i agree, carey and the guy from the 60's show were absolutely over the top. i just watched the 60's batman movie a couple weeks ago, it was awful but funny. "some days you just can't get rid of a bomb" lol

i think ventriloquist might be a little too silly for nolan's batman. i personally would like to see him though, and clayface, but i don't think those will happen. so i'm going with bane, he could be done pretty good for nolan's movies i think
CorndogBurglar - 9/10/2009, 5:24 PM
Yeah, no Joker but have a dark & morbid but brilliant Riddler with Michael C. Hall or Tennant. A dapper-dressed rapier-witted cruel and cool Riddler.

Plus Black Mask as the mob ruler who who steps into the void created by The Joker being jailed in Arkham. And Deadshot and Deathstroke hunting Bats down while everyone and their dog is after him!
DDD - 9/10/2009, 5:54 PM
I like the view of the two previous movies being based on fear and duality, and I will add that now the overarching theme of the trilogy is escallation. We still haven't quite scene it reach "burn the forest down" proportion. That needs to happen in 3, I believe. That can be done by bringing in the Riddler, and two iconic secondary villains. The Riddler (Depp, yeah) can give Batman's intellect and sleuthing skills a major challenge (a side we have yet to see much), while you have the other two distracting by buzzing around him like mosquitoes. I personally would go with Blackmask, Deadshot, Bane, or Killer Croc - two of the four.

TDK was very much based on the movie Heat. There are a whole number of great crime dramas (fiction and non fiction) that Batman 3 is just begging for elements of inclusion of. I'm not gonna spin off a list here, but once again I will mention my very vocal vote for the Zodiac killer.

I'm in the no Joker for 20 (or 10 or 15) year camp. I think it would be disrespectful to the ultimate price he paid with the creation of that character (that point is up for debate, but most actors claim they either take a part of that character with them, or they take a while to shake it off). The Joker in his pure form, the basic archaetype - the basis for any eventual iterations will be around for a long time to come anyway, there's no need to hurry it. It was left poignantly ambiguous with the Joker's last words, uncannily so, which appears not to have even been intended.

And I see alot of you guys saying we could find someone who can emulate or mimic Heath's performance. No actor, of a decent calibre and craft would want to do that. Nor would most of the audience want to see that done, in my opinion. With Heath's performance he created something truly original, and that doesn't happen very often anymore. It was the little niche of the human psyche he had managed to find, explore, and channel, his little inflections, the emphasis he would put on certain words, the cadence of his sentences, the subtleties, in the character he brought to life and defined to iconic status. Every scene with him is something fresh and original. Would be silly and gimmicky to try and parrot that.

Plus remember, number 3 is most likely going to be the last Batman film we get out of Nolan. I want to see as many classic villains redefined Nolan style, as we can get, while we can get em (don't get me wrong, I'd be all for bringing the Joker Back if Heath hadn't died).

Nolan has the studio in his pocket, and with that guys amazing mind (and Jonah's) not being creatively forced or smothered, 3 can once again be the magic number for sequels.


48and2 - 9/10/2009, 5:56 PM
If anyone replaces Heath I want it to be Johnny Depp. Depp does a great job whenever he play freaks in movies. Look at Captain Jack, Sweeney Todd, and The Mad Hatter. Plus he already partially replaced Heath in The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus.
soccerjoshc - 9/10/2009, 6:12 PM
No. No replacement. No more live action Joker. Ever.

I believe that Heath Ledger pwned that role so thoroughly and in such unforgettable inimitable style that no other actor will ever be able to measure up .

Ledger owns it, and he will always own it.
DarthMulder - 9/10/2009, 6:23 PM
I think that Nolan should end his run with "breaking the bat!" How cool would it be that Nolan introduces Robin and the intelligent Bane from the Comics. The last half an hour of the movie shows Bane figuring out Batman's identity and breaks the dark knights back in the Bat-cave.

This would give Bale and Nolan the opportunity to pass the torch on. Nolan could introduce Azrael at the end of the movie.

Azrael could bring a new more violent Batman to the fore front. Giving us more Batman/ Robin movies. This direction would allow Batman/Azrael vs. Robin as they both hunt down Bane for payback.
SoulCollector - 9/10/2009, 6:41 PM
i think joseph gordon levitt (from 500 days of summer) could be a good replacement for joker, he looks a hell of a lot like heath ledger and is a pretty decent actor,
superdude05 - 9/10/2009, 6:41 PM
@soccerjoshc Indeed he does. And maybe it's just me, but I see these weird coincidences happening like that. It just seems like all the pieces are falling into place for him to be the lead villain in this next Batman. Even Ledger dying, it's horrible to contemplate, but it raised the bar up to an apex for what a cinema comicbook villain can actually be, and it opened the role up for Depp - with the theatricality of the characters he's been portraying, we haven't seen a real bad guy out of him. He is perfect in every sense...

@DarthMulder yeah really if it were up to me, I'd say leave it at that forever. "Pwned" is the only word to describe it, has that actually become a word yet lol? =)
48and2 - 9/10/2009, 6:41 PM
James Franco sounds like an interesting choice. Mark Hamill would be so cool to see in a live action Batman flick, but I remember an interview with him saying that he covers up his face when he does the Joker impression in public because it ruins the Joker image or something like that. Overall, I say go for Calender Man, Black Mask, Talia, Ventriloquist, Deadshot, or Killer Croc. I wanna see a new villain on the big screen. CBM should do a poll on this. Any one?
SuperFlyinPwrs - 9/10/2009, 6:43 PM
ALL BAT ROGUES ARE NOLAN-VERSE CAPABLE REALLY EXCEPT, MR FREEZE, CLAYFACE (UNFORTUNATLEY), AND POISON IVY
dellamorte1872 - 9/10/2009, 6:51 PM
Franco is an amazing actor and could probly pull off any role you give him, given a half decent resemblance.
48and2 - 9/10/2009, 6:52 PM
@Dellamorte1872 Given where science is, I think Mr. Freeze could even be pulled off if a few things were omitted, but definitely Clayface is out. Poison Ivy could just be a really hot chick who likes ivy and doses people with plant toxins, but you couldn't do much else with her.
48and2 - 9/10/2009, 7:02 PM
although I never condoned it, my mere mention of someone playing Heath's version of joker got me so much shit but now one of the top brass of the site mentions him.

here's would I would personally settle on. reference to joker and brief cameo (not n full form but like hide him in a silouette or something) in BM3. and if there happened to be a fourth movie,the dust having sttled, I could take someone else's take on joker. thats the only way I'd buy it in this series. again, otherwise I'll wait for the reboot
niceguyeddie - 9/10/2009, 7:15 PM
I agree that they could do with another joker, BUT the thing is, people will either criticize him for not being as good as Heath, OR for TRYING too hard to imitate Heath. It's a no-win and the only actors who have enough cred to handle it (like Depp) would NEVER, EVER do it.
TheDurkinKnight - 9/10/2009, 7:39 PM
They should note the Joker's fate in the movie, but leave him out of it for the most part. Two Face should come back as a major villain along with Depp as the Riddler. The Riddler should die too, as to severe ties to any future complications.

btw what happened to the penguin? he could be included
Fartman - 9/10/2009, 7:46 PM
Two-Face shouldn't come back. It would be unrealistic for him to have survived, and Nolan wouldn't bring him back. His arc was perfectly wrapped up, and the ending to TDK definitively ended his character.
InTylerWeTrust82 - 9/10/2009, 7:48 PM
Bring back Two-Face, his role was too short. He made a cameo and then died, why? They could have left him alive for a sequel, they did it with Scarecrow. They should leave the Joker out of this one, just have him locked in Arkham with Scarecrow and give another vilain the big screen treatment . I'd love to see Clayface or Killer Croc, or even Mr. Freeze that reaembles the one from The Batman animated show. They can do this with out Riddler or Penguin, just as long as they don't add Robin or Catwoman I'll be fine.

P.S. and do away with Christian Bale too, I can't take is voice anymore! When I watch DK I always fast forward his scenes cause honestly Batman wasn't that intresting in the movie....It was all Joker!
retr0g0dfather - 9/10/2009, 8:06 PM
@48 and2. My Batman 3 story was very Zodiac killer esque. I to think that is the way to go for the next film.
THEHAWK - 9/10/2009, 8:42 PM
The villains I think that would make the most sense are Deadshot and The Riddler. Reason being, Batman is now on the run and must go into hiding yet protect his beloved city. Deadshot, he is a bounty hunter type character, a skilled marksman and can track his targets down very effectively. Perfect villian to have in the movie! He can be hired by someone and paid to track down the Bat. Riddler, brilliant, funny, Batman's intellectual superior (some would say). Use Edward Nigma as an investigator to also find Batman. Using what many Psychologist use of mental profiling and what not of Batmans behavioral patterns. Riddler would be perfect.

This combo would be effective and very entertaining.
VenomIsOnMyRibs - 9/10/2009, 8:49 PM
WILLARD is a TOP QUALITY movie! ; )
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 8:50 PM
no replacement for the joker! have croc working for scarface, and maybe bane. at the end bane double-crosses him and breaks out joker! gives us more time to get over the recast!
cincyboy - 9/10/2009, 8:52 PM


Watch out BATS!!! ; D
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 8:55 PM
Depp should play another character, not Joker
lilej2 - 9/10/2009, 8:55 PM
@ LEEE777: Willard was great!
retr0g0dfather - 9/10/2009, 8:55 PM
i hate that we keep re-re-re-booting everything! startrek was good, cause it was original. and i cant stand bale's batman voice either! over dramatic!
cincyboy - 9/10/2009, 8:56 PM
DEPP is THE RIDDLER!!!



; )

Retro @ It sooo was dude!!
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 8:58 PM
@Fartman That's a pretty good idea. I think with how heavy duty psychologically these Nolan films are, for major villains a one time shot is a good idea. That's probly all we can hope for anyway, aside from the Joker - the arch. Especially if they're gonna do anything similar to what Ledger did.

I dunno about the Penguin, most people are opposed to it for some reason. As long as Philip Seymour Hoffman plays him, I have no problem at all.

I also agree with Tyler, no more Two-Face. He was an eloquent and perfectly executed commentary on duality
in the Nolan-verse, which doesn't need to be further explored.

I like Eckhart very much, and think he should go play a different role in the Marvel/DC universes, but there is one shot at the end that takes me out of the movie - it's poorly acted imo (I don't wanna spoil). He and Maggie Gyllenhaal are the weakest links I think.

@retr0g0dfather I recently made some other incredibly long comment on a post about Batman's voice to justify it. I believe Nolan directed Bale's voice as he did so it would be harder to analyze electronically and therefore discover his identity. Which would be EASY to do nowadays, and for that reason alone I have no problem with it. Maybe it's just a personal rationalization, but I don't think so since it's so consist throughout the whole movie. Nolan was highly aware of it, and it wouldn't have escaped him.
48and2 - 9/10/2009, 9:03 PM
Check out my SUPER MAX casting and SUPERMAX news in NEWS guys!!!

Hey, i thought id do it, as everyone else does lol!

; D
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 9:08 PM
@TheHawk Very cool man, I'd assumed somebody on here probly was keen on the idea. I will absolutely positively check it out. To tell you guys the truth, you all know I'm new here. I have disgustingly long comments most of the time that I would never expect anybody to completely read. I've yet to check out hardly any of the rest of the site, primarily because I don't have very much time right now. As winter settles in I'll dig into it. But I read (and have been reading for the last six months+) so many incredibly insightful comments on here, that I'm totally convinced many of your guys (and gals) fanfics, etc. must be amazing. I am an artist and writer myself.

Overall, I felt an urgency to contribute my opinions, because I'm completely positive the people making these movies (aside from Ratner lol) read this site religiously (and you know he does too =), and our opinions are, at least one element of the foundation that these movies are made on.

Contrary to what Ratturd says, most of the movie industry takes our opinions very seriously. So I probably come off like a loudmouth overzealous windbag half the time, but at this point in the game that's sort of my intention.

I have yet to establish a rapport with many of you, but the ones I have have been very kind, receptive, and respectful and I truly appreciate that. You guys are a breed of your own.

After The Dark Knight, as far as my interest in this medium and industry go, there is no turning back.
48and2 - 9/10/2009, 9:42 PM
why not have the riddler take batman's spot as gotham's new hero?
ZH - 9/10/2009, 9:45 PM
BOO HOO Ledger died. Who gives a frick he did his job as an actor and is dead get over it. God I hate emo cry babies. The character of Joker is immortal not Ledger's performance. He took to many drugs and died so he blew his chance to play the Joker again. So let someone else have a shot. And I think Crispin Glover can do it. In fact he is in the new Alice in Wonderland movie with Johnny Depp. I would like to see another villain though like the Riddler it could be like Saw but with Riddles and on a City wide scale. And with the Riddler they could highlight Batman's detective skills they have never done that in a movie. But no Penguin please he is almost as bad as The Ventriloquist for about 12 years till I was 19 and joined the Marines I got every Batman title every month and when the The Ventriloquist and The Penguin would appear I would not even read it and just stored that issue away. I say Riddler, Firefly, Talia al Ghul, Hush, Killer Croc, Mad Hatter, Dead Shot or Clay Face any of those are good picks for the next movie but I think Firefly and Croc could only work as the minor villains and if Spider-Man 4 has the Lizard in it and comes out first it would be a bad idea to have Croc. As for Bane never cared for the character and thought that story arc was bad writing just to sell comic books. I do wish they would bring Ra's al Ghul back for another movie he is immortal after all
Dmon - 9/10/2009, 9:52 PM
Oh and Mark Hamill was the Best Joker Ever Hands Down!
Dmon - 9/10/2009, 9:58 PM
Its in FRIGGIN FAN FIC now!!!!

Arghhhhh!
LEEE777 - 9/10/2009, 10:01 PM
Black Mask, baby.
nerosday - 9/10/2009, 10:50 PM
i want talia al ghul.. played by an awesome actress.. trying to wreak havoc on a quest to bring her father back to life.. only to find in the end it cant possibly happen..

then you could involve that ninja clan as well..

batman should visit arckham to speak with the joker's doctor.. ( dr. quinzel ) and you should hear the joker.. not see him..

mean while.. the gotham underworld and the gotham pd are hunting batman .,. they could possibly hire edward nigma to find the batman.. and i would involve the hush ending



Vincent Cassel ... as the riddler

Rachel Mcadams .... as harley quinn

Mary Elizabeth Winstead.. as Talia Al Ghul
kcool - 9/10/2009, 11:57 PM
undeadpool @ "new Joker omg the fancast horror on cbm"

Don't let Lee hear you say that. SHHHH...it might come true.
Scorpioxfactor - 9/11/2009, 12:48 AM
MOS DEF on John Depp as The Joker!!!
HAQ - 9/11/2009, 2:17 AM
Bring on the Riddler (Michael C. Hall or Johnny Depp) and Hush (Eric Bana or Jim Caviezel)
Agent13 - 9/11/2009, 2:34 AM
Bored.....want Flash :(
teabag - 9/11/2009, 5:51 AM
Leave the Joker out of it. Bring him back in a couple movies time for 'The Dark Knight Returns' (Miller's comic adaptation) when he and Batman are both old. That way people cannot just try and compare the performance to Ledger's, and that movie NEEDS TO GET MADE BEFORE I DIE! Daniel Day Lewis would be brilliant in that role.
samd577 - 9/11/2009, 6:21 AM
i can't believe so anhy people want riddler when there are so many other better villains. and please no robin
CorndogBurglar - 9/11/2009, 6:44 AM
Joseph Gordon-Levitt for the Joker Role...I think he would be able to take on that part....no one will ever top Heath Ledger though
ManofSteel2012 - 9/11/2009, 7:15 AM
Batman used to be cool!! leave 3 alone :(
teabag - 9/11/2009, 7:31 AM
Very simply, I think it would be a HUGE mistake to bring the Joker back in the next movie. We could see the most brilliant portrayal of the Joker that will ever be done, and that actor will draw the negative side of any comparison with Heath Ledger with the fans. It's just too soon. Maybe in another 15-20 years, when another director is doing his series of Bat-films, we can revisit the Joker. Do we really want to see someone imitating Ledger, which is what any actor taking the part now would have to do? I'd much rather wait until we can get a truly fresh take on the character.

Samd has an excellent idea: wait until someone does "The Dark Knight Returns" (which it strikes me as unusual that nobody has even TRIED to do yet). An older Joker wouldn't draw those comparisons.
comicb00kguy - 9/11/2009, 7:40 AM
I do not think that the Joker role really has to be recast to be included in future Batman movies. I think that they could have the Joker locked up in Arkham and he is locked up with another crazy person, like Johnny Depp or whatever actor ya'll think should be the "new" joker. But he passes on his ideas to his cellmate and then maybe Joker is put to death for the crimes he commited in the Dark Knight or something along the lines. But then the cellmate breaks out and takes over the persona of the Joker.
mattg0728 - 9/11/2009, 8:09 AM
I agree with hired guns to hunt Bats down but the ring leader needs to be the Ventriloquist. Perfect for this story line cause of the mob boss theme in the movies.
Kratos6 - 9/11/2009, 8:20 AM
This is my first post, and I'd just like to say that I take issue with the claim that Heath Ledger didn't want the Joker part and tried to get fired. That is a very juvenile and naive thing to say, and does a major, major disservice to a great actor giving an Oscar-winning performance. I also think that if the Joker character is to live on in future movies, then Paul Bettany should be given a shot, with Johnny Depp as the Riddler, and perhaps Michael Clark Duncan as Killer Croc.
Caedus137 out.
Caedus137 - 9/11/2009, 8:33 AM
I agree with watchtower. Leo is the best choice.
mativ16 - 9/11/2009, 9:13 AM
hescian- You do have a good point. Sorry to reply so late but here it is none the less. I for one thoroughly HATED the [frick]ing shit out of the 60ies riddler AS WELL AS Jim Carrey's riddler! I just hate a whacky Riddler. Joker's whacky, not Riddler! I like the smart/cold/calculating Sociopath that is void of remorse or conscience and is obsessed with riddles. No human life would have an ounce of importance if it came in the way of a riddle. And Bats is THE ONE that always solves his riddles with his keen intelect and detective skills. Riddler is practically THE REASON why they call Batman the world's greatest detective. Cause without Riddler, he'd just be a great detective, not the world's greatest. That makes Riddler obsess even more, it makes him emphatuated with Batman and thrive at eventually beating his wit. It's kinda like the Bullseye/Daredevil relationship. No one is supposed to make Bullseye miss and Daredevil is the only one capable of it. Well Batman is the only one capable of outsmarting the Riddler. That, IMO makes Riddler my very favorite villain. Way more than Joker! And my favorite portrayal of Riddler was in the animated series called "The Batman". He was awesome in it! And aside from the comics, Joker was never as violent as Ledger portrayed him out to be. Nolan brought that in his franchise and he can easily do the same with Riddler. In fact, it's why i so much want Riddler in Nolan's last bat-film, it's to see what he'll bring to the character in a realistic world! And Depp is perfect for it! If you look at his performance in Secret Window and in Once upon a time in Mexico, mix both of them up and you're left with The Perfect Riddler!!!
Shaman - 9/11/2009, 9:30 AM
@ shaman

i disagree, buddy. i'm sure you've read the killing joke. that was the joker at his absolute worst...far worse than what ledger's joker was. the things that the joker put barbara gordon through in that story is...ugh
CorndogBurglar - 9/11/2009, 9:37 AM


i'm going to stick to my original idea for the new joker- Joey Kern. If you look him up on IMDB, he's actually done a pretty good range of stuff. He's got the look and the build- if he can do the voice, hes perfect.

Also, keep in mind that a lot of people thought Heath's joker would be terrible...
ReddHotPoker - 9/11/2009, 10:01 AM
no joker,i want black mask to give the mob power again while bat is being hunted down. i would also like to see mad hatter or riddler.
UltimateHobgoblin666 - 9/11/2009, 10:44 AM
no joker,i want black mask to give the mob power again while bat is being hunted down. i would also like to see mad hatter or riddler.
UltimateHobgoblin666 - 9/11/2009, 10:44 AM
Caedus137 the idea of Heath Ledger trying to be fired was actually from an interview his agent gave to Vanity Faire. He said Heath had a contract that would have obligated the studio to pay him even if were fired, so realizing he didn't want the notoriety of being Joker his agent said he was trying to be way over the top to lose his job. Funny it turned out to win him an Oscar.

I’m not saying his agent wasn’t full of hot air, mind you, just that the comments about Heath trying to get fired have a basis in an actual reported news story.
nerosday - 9/11/2009, 11:53 AM
No more Joker let's move on.

Personally I really think the Riddler has a lot in common with Hannibal Lecter. Both can be calculating and smooth like a real gentleman and at the same time can be cold sadistically violent. For that I have always believe Anthony Hopkins would make a great Riddler but that was years ago. I believe Ralph Fiennes (hope I spelled that right) can duplicate such performance.

Now for an alternative story line which do NOT include the popular batman foes how about a mob war with Gotham City and Batman caught in between? Two mob factions hiring their best assassins to destroy each other Firefly (Arsonist) and the Clock King (Bomber). Here they can even insert the Ventriloquist - the de facto or substitute leader of one faction and I recommend Robin Williams.
Kalabog - 9/11/2009, 12:11 PM
Corndogburgler- Actually, i did say "aside from the comics". Joker was much more comical in any televised series of Batman as well as in Burton's film. He was "violent" but not as much as Ledger's. In the comics he's been perceived so many ways including more sadistic than Ledger so i didn't go there LOL :P All i'm saying is that Riddler is my favorite villain and Nolan has what it takes to make it fit his vision.

Kalabog- I couldn't agree with you more about your comment on Riddler however, the "mob war" is the last thing i want to see. I think we've explored enough the mob side of society with the first two films. No, i want a freakin Nemesis! One that will test all of Batman's limits. Riddler is the best for it. And i suggest bringing in Shiva as a hired hand to dispose of Batman. If they did want to go the "mob war" route, i'd definitely want The Ventriloquist (Steve Buscemi) and Black Mask (Vincent Cassel) with maybe a Penguin cameo by Stanley Tucci.
Shaman - 9/11/2009, 12:37 PM
the riddler IS in a sence the zodiac!NO MORE JOKER, theres only so much film time, give another villian a chance.
ProfOJ - 9/11/2009, 12:47 PM
@Shaman: Good point. No wonder the "mob war" concept got into my system. Nolan was focusing with "mob" for the past two Batman films.

For the Riddler he could either be like Saw - as mentioned from the previous story I read or zodiac as described by ProfJ. But for me I would like to see him work more in a grand scale. Putting the entire city unto its knees -- more of an international terrorist than just a psychotic serial killer. Does anyone recall Jeremy Irons performance in Die Hard with a vengeance? Now that's my Riddler! (Hmmm. I realize my vision of Riddler is starting to sound more with an English accent! No offense to the English people.)

As for the Penguin for me its either Bob Hoskins and James Gandolfini.
Kalabog - 9/11/2009, 1:42 PM
Hmmmmmmm... i kinda like you're Riddler Kalabog LOL :P This is definitely the way they need to go :))
Shaman - 9/11/2009, 1:52 PM
Shaman- great call on Stanley Tucci! I could actually see Tucci playing Ventriloquist or Penguin.

I still want to see the Batman broken by Bane. I loved the Knightfall story line! I want to see Azrael enhance the bat-suit bring in a sword and lay waste to Gotham's underground.

Bring Bat-man back in a later movie to take back the cowl.
SoulCollector - 9/11/2009, 2:08 PM
I think that Buscemi would be a pretty sweet Victor Zsasz. Zsasz would fit right into Nolan's Gotham City. A serial killer that really has nothing to lose.
SoulCollector - 9/11/2009, 2:19 PM
if joker HAS to come bak, get Crispin Glover. otherwise, no 1 else can replace heath.

id get philip seymour hoffman to play penguin, or mabye bob hoskins i guess, and David Tennant as riddler.
torched4 - 9/11/2009, 10:01 PM
I think the joker character can still be portrayed in the future. I just don't think it should happen in the Nolan series. I don't think they should mention Joker. I think I would feel uncomfortable instead of enjoying the movie. Leave more joker for another Batman iteration. Nolan has established a very specific and somewhat realistic world. I would be curious to see a Catwoman story with this depth, or a Riddler story. I just need Riddler to not be that goofy riddle-me-this stuff. Azreal and/or Bane would be interesting. I'm not as interested in Penguin but Nolan has pleasantly surprised me a lot with these movies.
sethasa - 9/12/2009, 3:13 AM
Aaron Eckhart looks like Til Schweiger there. A Joker cameo would be fine, but he definetely shouldn't be the main villain again.
TheBat - 9/12/2009, 8:34 AM
WHOA WHOA WHOA... Could somebody please post the link or tell me where to go where it said that Heath never wanted the role and tried to screw it up? Becuase I'm pretty sure, if memory serves me correctly, that it was Heath who approached Nolan in the first place ASKING for the role and saying he had a great idea for it, and even went so far as to lock himself in a hotel mor a month to get into character and figure himself out.
AdamFalcon - 9/12/2009, 10:39 AM
Hope there is no Joker in the third one. I think Nolan would admit to saying that it would be challenging to bring the character back in any form or fashion, save a laugh or two. Personally, I would hope that there would be no acting or visual of the Joker at all. I am still not convinced that Depp is as good an actor that people think he is nor do I think he would be proper in the Batmaniverse. Sadly, at this time, I cannot offer an alternative though. I just WISH it could be Hush, but this Batman is too young for that.

@AdamFalcon: I'd like to see the source on that too. Never heard that before, but I didn't dig as crazily as some folks.
Hyson - 9/12/2009, 11:39 AM
Get Hamill to play the joker from Arkham but have a go between ie Harley with Bane as muscle controlling what the mob and cops are doing. In the mean time have him creating an army in Arkham, inmate running the Asylum which would lead to the bust out and war in part 4
cujo92129 - 9/13/2009, 11:47 AM
Get Hamill to play the joker from Arkham but have a go between ie Harley with Bane as muscle controlling what the mob and cops are doing. In the mean time have him creating an army in Arkham, inmate running the Asylum which would lead to the bust out and war in part 4
cujo92129 - 9/13/2009, 11:47 AM
I honestly do not understand why we should forfeit our desire to see the joker on screen just because heath ledger killed himself. His portrayal was top notch, no denying that. But honestly they could find someone to do a great job if not better. When he first got the part EVERYONE was like no [frick]ing way! the brokeback mountain guy?!? but he tore it up! I don't think Heath would be so self centered to not want the character to go on. Find a great actor to take his place. We all know that Nolan could get it done. They replaced Rachel Dawes and nobody gave a shit... maybe because katie holmes kind of sucks... but still, I want to see the Joker again before i'm dying in a nursing home! Hamill is far too old and honestly his portrayal is too cartoonish.. which is perfect for the cartoon, but not in a more serious and dark movie.

i would also like to see Two-Face return. They could easily spin the idea that they said he was dead because they don't want his intentions to clean up gotham scarred by his mental breakdown. Two-face is such a cool character, I would love to see more of him.

It's not really hard to guess that the Riddler will likely be the next villain. I just don't think they should just leave the Joker so open ended like it was without following it up.

FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED MR. NOLAN! BRING BACK THE JOKER!
Pockets713 - 9/15/2009, 4:05 PM
I honestly do not understand why we should forfeit our desire to see the joker on screen just because heath ledger killed himself. His portrayal was top notch, no denying that. But honestly they could find someone to do a great job if not better. When he first got the part EVERYONE was like no [frick]ing way! the brokeback mountain guy?!? but he tore it up! I don't think Heath would be so self centered to not want the character to go on. Find a great actor to take his place. We all know that Nolan could get it done. They replaced Rachel Dawes and nobody gave a shit... maybe because katie holmes kind of sucks... but still, I want to see the Joker again before i'm dying in a nursing home! Hamill is far too old and honestly his portrayal is too cartoonish.. which is perfect for the cartoon, but not in a more serious and dark movie.

i would also like to see Two-Face return. They could easily spin the idea that they said he was dead because they don't want his intentions to clean up gotham scarred by his mental breakdown. Two-face is such a cool character, I would love to see more of him.

It's not really hard to guess that the Riddler will likely be the next villain. I just don't think they should just leave the Joker so open ended like it was without following it up.

FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED MR. NOLAN! BRING BACK THE JOKER!
Pockets713 - 9/15/2009, 4:05 PM
I honestly do not understand why we should forfeit our desire to see the joker on screen just because heath ledger killed himself. His portrayal was top notch, no denying that. But honestly they could find someone to do a great job if not better. When he first got the part EVERYONE was like no [frick]ing way! the brokeback mountain guy?!? but he tore it up! I don't think Heath would be so self centered to not want the character to go on. Find a great actor to take his place. We all know that Nolan could get it done. They replaced Rachel Dawes and nobody gave a shit... maybe because katie holmes kind of sucks... but still, I want to see the Joker again before i'm dying in a nursing home! Hamill is far too old and honestly his portrayal is too cartoonish.. which is perfect for the cartoon, but not in a more serious and dark movie.

i would also like to see Two-Face return. They could easily spin the idea that they said he was dead because they don't want his intentions to clean up gotham scarred by his mental breakdown. Two-face is such a cool character, I would love to see more of him.

It's not really hard to guess that the Riddler will likely be the next villain. I just don't think they should just leave the Joker so open ended like it was without following it up.

FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED MR. NOLAN! BRING BACK THE JOKER!
Pockets713 - 9/15/2009, 4:05 PM
I honestly do not understand why we should forfeit our desire to see the joker on screen just because heath ledger killed himself. His portrayal was top notch, no denying that. But honestly they could find someone to do a great job if not better. When he first got the part EVERYONE was like no [frick]ing way! the brokeback mountain guy?!? but he tore it up! I don't think Heath would be so self centered to not want the character to go on. Find a great actor to take his place. We all know that Nolan could get it done. They replaced Rachel Dawes and nobody gave a shit... maybe because katie holmes kind of sucks... but still, I want to see the Joker again before i'm dying in a nursing home! Hamill is far too old and honestly his portrayal is too cartoonish.. which is perfect for the cartoon, but not in a more serious and dark movie.

i would also like to see Two-Face return. They could easily spin the idea that they said he was dead because they don't want his intentions to clean up gotham scarred by his mental breakdown. Two-face is such a cool character, I would love to see more of him.

It's not really hard to guess that the Riddler will likely be the next villain. I just don't think they should just leave the Joker so open ended like it was without following it up.

FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED MR. NOLAN! BRING BACK THE JOKER!
Pockets713 - 9/15/2009, 4:05 PM
Did Heath really try to screw up his role?
or were u just saying that?
he did an awesome job as the joker!
Joker should be left in the dark knight, but should be mentioned in the next movie.
WhYsOs3rIoUs - 9/18/2009, 4:25 PM

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