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Thor and Avengers News Leaked?

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Thor

The film starts with the 6 warriors (Thor, Loki, the Warriors 3 and Sif) in Asgard, OdinHopkins on the throne, etc.

* Loki is adopted, hence the black hair.

* Loki kills his dad, usurping the throne, Thor is cast out to Earth.

* Thor lands in a desert, and is promptly run over (literally) by Natalie Portman and Stellan Skarsgard, a PhD cosmology student and her Norwegian professor, who have gone out to study though telescopes a strange cloud in the cosmos.

* When they realize that Thor is who he says he is, Stellan, who has grown up with Norse mythology, can't quite deal with it and goes out on a drinking binge.

* The script closes with a 5-page battle. The fighting styles for Thor and Loki are, as you'd expect, markedly different, Thor being very much about raw strength, Loki being much more about motion, grace and intelligence. The closing battle will be the first thing they film.

Avengers

* Loki is one of, if not the key [“Avengers”] bad guy.

* The [“Avengers”] film opens with 20 minutes of Loki basically entrapping/brainwashing Banner, and in so doing gaining control of the Hulk for his own nefarious deeds. This spurs the Avengers into existence.


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DCMarvelFreshman
11/25/2009
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43207

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129 Comments

That sounds very BOLD! ; D

Fingers crossed he's a bad guy in AVENGERS!!

Damn HULK SMASH!!! We've all been saying this for months!

LEEE777 - 11/25/2009, 2:45 PM
YES!!! If this is true, I am so happy they're using the storyline from the comics that brought the Avengers together.
Jp499 - 11/25/2009, 3:02 PM
As long as Hulk isn't the main villain, and is merely a threat that brings them together, I'm good.
InTylerWeTrust - 11/25/2009, 3:14 PM
This sounds amazing!!!!! Especially the stuff about Thor - that is exactly the right kind of plot for the movie to follow! EXCELLENT find MarvelFreshman! :D
JoshW - 11/25/2009, 3:31 PM
I dont buy this completely, since it leaves out some big things that we know are true. We know that Thor is banished because he helps ignite an ancient war. Loki killing Odin and banishing him doesn't really fit into that equation. Its his arrogance that gets him kicked out, not his brother taking over Asgard. We also know that some kind of terrible evil invades Earth, and this doesn't mention that.

I mean, this stuff could be true, dont get me wrong, but since it leaves out other details I'm not sure.
CaptainOtter - 11/25/2009, 3:44 PM
that sounds very authentic....

who supplied this information?
captain0vell - 11/25/2009, 3:59 PM
I'm mighty rigid, if this is true...
ElBicho - 11/25/2009, 4:04 PM
Yeah, man bring it on! This sounds like the perfect way to do it!
Bamf7 - 11/25/2009, 4:13 PM
I think it'd be better if after the credits for Thor you see Loki looking into a "crystal ball" type thingy and you see Banner meditating and turning into the Hulk (like in the end for The Incredible Hulk).

Cause I rather see in the end for First Avenger you see Tony and Fury in a submarine or something and they find cap.

Then start off the avengers film with Loki wreaking havoc on earth with Hulk
InSpace - 11/25/2009, 4:32 PM
Told you so!!! ; D
LEEE777 - 11/25/2009, 5:25 PM
Sounds real.
Betty - 11/25/2009, 5:32 PM
It's the way it should be @ BETTY, the way it should be!
LEEE777 - 11/25/2009, 5:54 PM
I wannna believe.
SHHH - 11/25/2009, 5:54 PM
AWESOME!
Phinehas - 11/25/2009, 5:54 PM
I hope this is true.
I can't wait for these movies to come out.
luv1138 - 11/25/2009, 5:57 PM
The [“Avengers”] film opens with 20 minutes of Loki basically entrapping/brainwashing Banner, and in so doing gaining control of the Hulk for his own nefarious deeds. This spurs the Avengers into existence.

What more do you want.
SHHH - 11/25/2009, 5:57 PM
I am just happy that after a couple of weeks, we get some real news up in here.
Phinehas - 11/25/2009, 6:00 PM
im not sure about this info cause "Loki basically entrapping/brainwashing Banner, and in so doing gaining control of the Hulk for his own nefarious deeds"

this seems like what happen in Hulk vs Thor animated movie. this could be all a fake to trick AICN since they are the ones who leaked Ultimate Nick Fury was going to appear in Iron Man.
jazzman - 11/25/2009, 6:02 PM
This info seems believable to me.

Ozymandias has spoken.
Ozymandias - 11/25/2009, 6:04 PM
How was Ultimate Nick Fury not in Iron Man? It was Sam Jackson at the end of the credits.
Phinehas - 11/25/2009, 6:06 PM
More than likely bullshirt, but The Avengers being about regaining control of Hulk would be interesting.
gtrman - 11/25/2009, 6:14 PM
SOUNDS GREAT TO ME!!

THOR+AVENGERS+LOKI+HULK= EPICLY AMAZING!!
peterparker420 - 11/25/2009, 6:17 PM
I hope this Thor rumor turns out to be false. I don't like the sound of that storyline at all. Loki kills Odin and takes over Asgard? Pure, unadulterated crap. That's a total re-imagining of Thor canon. Isn't that what we all hate about what Fox does to Marvel characters, completely changing the source material for a movie?

The Avengers news isn't anything more than what happened in the first comic.
MultiPurposePoni - 11/25/2009, 6:24 PM
I don't like the part about Loki killing Odin.

I hope that's not true.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 6:25 PM
lol @ Multipp.. you beat me to it man lol
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 6:26 PM
How could that sniveling little turd kill ODIN? With a magic spell? HA

And anyway, if he did do that, the rest of Asgard would tear him apart, not crown him King. Also THOR is the next in line of ascendancy, not Loki. Loki is adopted.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 6:28 PM
I have to say I never thought I would see a Captain America movie,Thor movie and Avengers movie in my lifetime but I still cant believe these movies will be out in 2 years!
Ozymandias - 11/25/2009, 6:29 PM
Same here, Oz. Same here.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 6:32 PM
@MultiPurposePoni

i doubt this is true at all
jazzman - 11/25/2009, 6:32 PM
Wasn't that (The Loki and Hulk thing)already done in the Hulk Vs Thor cartoon? Are they so low on ideas that they have to keep using the same one?
batfan39 - 11/25/2009, 6:33 PM
Yall I am really just not loving AICN these days. I don't trust a word they say about anything.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 6:36 PM
i think the avengers plot is decent but i find the thor to be crap posted...i dont think ken is gonna go that way...that seems a bit off key away from asgard too much
Anil Rickly - 11/25/2009, 6:46 PM
Bullshit. Clearly bullshit
superdog - 11/25/2009, 6:56 PM
OMFWORD..............................I AM SPEECHLESSS!!! i hope at least some of it is true.....except for Odin dying tho!!!
Kes - 11/25/2009, 7:18 PM
i dont think all of this is real...seems too far out there...im sure these were early versions of it...why would hopkins only be in it for a tiny bit...and why a desert...as for the avengers..it seems their going with the original concept sorta...as with all things this may be speculation or BS..so for now we gotta wait and see till we see trailers and images..also its AICN....they are known for posting BS stuff all the time. so take their "info" with a grain of salt
Aki87 - 11/25/2009, 7:29 PM
the person spelled exclusively wrong so there's your first sign of BS
Aki87 - 11/25/2009, 7:30 PM
maybe Odin doesnt die but is put in a long sleep!
Kes - 11/25/2009, 7:35 PM
Don't like the Odin being killed bit either..but, if this is true, for the most part I'll be happy. I mean I'll take the old bastard buying the farm if we get to see Hulk being controlled by Loki, Thor as himself and not pissing around as that gimp Blake.
RorMachine - 11/25/2009, 7:37 PM
They aint gonna kill Odin. This is total BS.
hewilldefytheirgravity - 11/25/2009, 7:51 PM
man i hope loki id not the main villain in the avengers.
1chris2 - 11/25/2009, 8:03 PM
"How could that sniveling little turd kill ODIN?:

Maybe during the Odinsleep.When he enters the Odinsleep, he is left as vulnerable as a mortal.That's why they have others watch over him until he wakes.

tazmaniak - 11/25/2009, 8:04 PM
How do we know that Odin isn't faking his own death/murder to teach BOTH of his sons the errors of their ways...?

;)
KeithM - 11/25/2009, 8:04 PM
i probally wont be on tomorrow so happy thanksgiving every1
PhillyHulk - 11/25/2009, 8:09 PM


yes that happened in hulk vs. but it also happened in the very first avengers comic, so i don't think this is too far fetched. ESPECIALLY since its already been announced that characters from thor and hulk would appear in the avengers movie. so loki being in avengers makes sense, as does loki controlling the hulk.

the thor movie details sound a little bad though. i don't know about the whole killing odin thing...
CorndogBurglar - 11/25/2009, 8:11 PM
If these are official, they sound cool.
Bandrews1 - 11/25/2009, 8:12 PM
I can't see them killing Odin... they wouldn't cast Anthony Hopkins just to kill him off... would they?
batfan39 - 11/25/2009, 8:13 PM
if this is real then the movies will be AMAZING
tyko450 - 11/25/2009, 8:27 PM
@ batfan

they've said that about 80% of this is in asgard, and 20% on earth. so maybe odin doesn't die until close to the end, and then a war spills over into earth. assuming any of this is true that is.
CorndogBurglar - 11/25/2009, 8:32 PM
@ Batfan: NO. The whole idea is stupid, frankly.

Anyway enough of all that. Except for the Odin thing, all this sounds pretty sweet! So they run him over with their car, huh? If it's true I can't wait to see THAT! Hell's bells that would be like running over a fallen log! That car would be screwed.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 8:39 PM
@darth

kenny brought up a good point that they might kill him in the odinsleep, because he's vulnerable then. and that is just the kind of thing a sissy like loki would do.

the thing that gets me is they talk like thor and loki are gonna fist fight or something. does no one else find that a little ridiculous? i never used to read thor back in the day, can loki fight with thor like that?? doesn't seem even close to likely to me. i was always kind of just assuming that most of the action in this movie would be fighting against an army of frost giants or something. or loki trying to invade earth with an army of giants. this has me wondering now.
CorndogBurglar - 11/25/2009, 8:44 PM
Multi---- This isn't too damn far off from the source material as Loki has attempted it several times over the years. I could see them going with this storyline of odin being killed or faking his own death as a trial for his sons.

If Loki does kill or attempt to kill Odin it will be indirectly through manipulation like he does everything else. Could be he gets Odin off chasing some Ragnorok prevention and it ends up being a trap or something allong the lines of the Amber novels with Oberon.
Hawksblueyes - 11/25/2009, 9:05 PM
Whoa very interesting Avengers newz
Instantclassic - 11/25/2009, 9:07 PM
i hope this is true
brazilianbatman - 11/25/2009, 9:13 PM
sounds great
brazilianbatman - 11/25/2009, 9:14 PM
thats why marvel has to own their movies
brazilianbatman - 11/25/2009, 9:16 PM
@ CDB: I thought of that too man... That he could do it during the Odinsleep, but really above all I just don't want to see ODIN DIE! OK sure he could find a way to slip through the defences and kill him during the Odinsleep, but that doesn't make the idea any more likeable to me.
And let's not forget the stupity of Loki on the throne in Asgard..

Anyway, yeah the article seems to convey that Thor and Loki would be going at it hand to hand. Again, that's just messed up. Of course Thor would slap him around like a rag doll. Loki needs to rely on magic to fight. The whole idea that Loki the God of Mischief would even bother to try and fight Thor man to man is a preposterous joke.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 9:18 PM
PHILLY @ You too buddy!!
LEEE777 - 11/25/2009, 9:25 PM
@ mulder

yeah i thought so too, man. and i don't like the idea of odin dying either, but who knows what'll happen, and if this is even true.
CorndogBurglar - 11/25/2009, 9:28 PM
I'de personally like to see the hulk as an "UNINTENTIONAL VILLAIN". I mean it won't be his fault that he goes bad, he was just brainwashed. I just know for a fact that there is going to be a huge Avengers vs Hulk thing that can end in two possible ways:
a. The hulk finally comes to his senses after he sees what he's done, and turns on Loki.
b. They could do the old Ultimate Avengers way(the Ultimate Avengers was an animated movie which did include an Avengers vs hulk fight), and the Avengers actually have to defeat the hulk.
Either way is good, but I hope they don't repeat the same story as the Ultimate Avengers movie(which is also a Avengers origin story movie)
Diamond1995 - 11/25/2009, 9:31 PM
@ diamond

you do realize that the ultimate avengers cartoon was based off the Ultimates right? the comic? that happened in those as well. and in the original avengers comic in the 60's. so there's a VERY good chance that loki will be controlling the hulk. i don't see them doing it any other way.
CorndogBurglar - 11/25/2009, 9:33 PM
sounds good not sure if its real
luffycapri - 11/25/2009, 9:50 PM
"Anyway, yeah the article seems to convey that Thor and Loki would be going at it hand to hand. Again, that's just messed up. Of course Thor would slap him around like a rag doll. Loki needs to rely on magic to fight. The whole idea that Loki the God of Mischief would even bother to try and fight Thor man to man is a preposterous joke."

From the Marvel website:

Powers
Loki possesses the normal strength of an Asgardian male of his age, height, and build. He can lift (press) about 30 tons.

Loki possesses the conventional attributes of an Asgardian, as well as certain innate magical powers. Like all Asgardians, Loki is extremely long-lived (though not immortal like the Olympians), superhumanly strong, immune to all diseases, and resistant to conventional injury. (Asgardian flesh and bone is about 3 times denser than similar human tissue, contributing to the Asgardian's superhuman strength and weight.) His Asgardian metabolism gives him superhuman endurance in all physical activities.

Loki can project highly powerful concussive bolts of mystical energy. He can also create magical energy fields, which serve various purposes. With great concentration, Loki can create a field of sufficient resilience to repel Thor's enchanted hammer (though repeated blows would undoubtedly penetrate it) or physical objects such as large caliber projectiles. He can also surround objects in mystical energy to levitate them. He once lifted and supported an entire building off the ground for several minutes. He can also mystically levitate himself and thereby fly at great speed. As with his influence over matter, his magical energy feats only last as long as he maintains them.

I think Loki can go toe-to toe with Thor.
tazmaniak - 11/25/2009, 10:02 PM
GOOD, that's they way it was in the original comic and that's the way it should be in the film. I want Pym though or I'll be pretty upset.
Pym - 11/25/2009, 10:02 PM
@ kenny,

yes well why don't you compare that list of powers and strength level to THOR's, and then you will see what I am getting at.
They are absolutely not well matched physically. NO Asgardian is a match for Thor except Odin.
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 10:06 PM
@ LEEE777: Aren't you English?
SixSixteen - 11/25/2009, 10:07 PM
I wish they would do something for Avengers like i did in my old Avengers story. Have Loki manipulate Banner into fighting the team, then have Loki go back to his fallback plan and create Absorbing Man who wrecks half of New York and litterally knocks the Helicarrier out of the sky. That scene alone would be amazing!
THEHAWK - 11/25/2009, 10:31 PM
zvery interesting THEHAWK
SUPASEGO - 11/25/2009, 11:00 PM
Thanks man, here is a link to it if you wnat to look at it.

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/ChroniclesofMoeniaArcis/news/?a=8602
THEHAWK - 11/25/2009, 11:10 PM
If this is true, this is really good news..Hulk needs to be the thing that brings the Avengers together like in the comics..and Thor sounds good as well, it would explain how Foster meets Thor without Blake there.
Ryden - 11/26/2009, 1:26 AM
that sounds like Thor v Hulk story line which i'd love to see on the big screen!
rosco71 - 11/26/2009, 1:37 AM
"Remember" Odin's been killed a couple of times before in the comics :-P so it prob isnt (shouldnt be) the last of him :-)

If thats true about Loki bein the main bad guy then that really is cool.

Im hoping..... would really like too think that Baron Zemo is in Cap (along with Red Skull) Originl Zemo dies in ww2 era, Red Skull gets suspended like cap, an we see Zemo jr & Red Skull in Avengers with Loki :-D ... Course' I may jus be rambling.hehe.
Elle1980 - 11/26/2009, 1:41 AM
yeah loki cant kill odin.....so this my be bollocks
number10 - 11/26/2009, 1:44 AM
What im hoping most is that Loki stays (even in the Avengers) in his comic outfit/costume. I would HATE H*A*T*E if he ends up being put in a darn "long black trench coat" :-< somthin lazy that they've done to one too many villians in film....

Although' this is a Marvel studios film :-D and not 20th century fox.hehe
And Marvel's rather fan friendly :-)
Elle1980 - 11/26/2009, 2:18 AM
yeah .............
shibazz - 11/26/2009, 2:22 AM
Just a note to those saying that Loki could never fight Thor hand-to-hand. In the strictest comic sense perhaps that's true, but you should remember that Brannagh said he was looking at the original myths as well. In those myths Loki was known as the "fastest" of the gods, and I highly doubt there is any Asgardian warrior that can't fight. Should Thor be the better fighter? Without a doubt. But I wouldn't mind seeing Loki be able to dodge around him and keep him on his toes for some time, while getting in some cheat shots using speed, and trickery.
OptionFour - 11/26/2009, 2:34 AM
Loki's strength is pretty high in the comics anyways, but yeah :-) just think a lil bit faster and more of a dirty fighter :-D

just a thought.. Is there a chance we'll see the DESTROYER armour in this movie you think??? if there IS a significant diff in strength between Thor n Loki' that would be a great way to finish the final battle :-D
Elle1980 - 11/26/2009, 2:53 AM
wait.... so now our posts are getting edited?! thats so much bull shit! Its ok to marginalize women and perpetrate sexuality ... but to post and honest and relative idea to any thread is worthy of being removed..... you are pathetic. truly pathetic. why bother even reading or speaking in comics. Which may very well be our last great hope to have our point heard and understood. You would eliminate my post for what reason?! Pathetic!!!! show me some Woman's Breasts for any other reason than entertainment! Then you will be justified for removing my post... remember if you have to try hard..... .you ..... fail. copied and ready to paste. you fascist tail
shibazz - 11/26/2009, 3:07 AM
Shibazz@ Did someone delete boobs???????????????? :(
teabag - 11/26/2009, 5:46 AM
"What im hoping most is that Loki stays (even in the Avengers) in his comic outfit/costume. I would HATE H*A*T*E if he ends up being put in a darn "long black trench coat" :-< somthin lazy that they've done to one too many villians in film....

Although' this is a Marvel studios film :-D and not 20th century fox.hehe
And Marvel's rather fan friendly :-)
Elle1980 -"

Agreed.

@ Shibazz: What did your post say milady? Did it break the rules somehow?
SixSixteen - 11/26/2009, 6:22 AM
@ Option four: Good thought, and that would be fine except that the Loki of the comics almost always fights using defensive and offensive mystical spells like DR. Strange, and that's the Loki I want to see.
SixSixteen - 11/26/2009, 6:24 AM
tatz cool. cant wait..
coolcsam - 11/26/2009, 6:46 AM
Fair enough, Mulder. I'd like to see some spell casting going on, too. But if you take it all together - the spells (both offensive and defensive), his trickster nature, and a reputation as the fastest of the Asgardians - I think it sounds like a recipe for a dirty fighter. Thor won't have to land many hits to take him out, but I think the fight is going to be in getting close to him. At least . . . . I hope. An actual toe-to-toe, "let's stand here and trade shots", fight between the two of them would be disappointing.
OptionFour - 11/26/2009, 7:29 AM
This is nothing one couldn't have pulled off reading comment sections like these. I call bullshit.
WeaponX - 11/26/2009, 8:47 AM
@ weaponx

well, its from Aint It Cool News. which is considerd somewhat valid. but at the same time, they are just saying they have a source that leaked this news. so who knows. i don't think any of it sounds outlandish at all though.
CorndogBurglar - 11/26/2009, 8:57 AM
Freakin Awesome stuff dude!
NightAvenger - 11/26/2009, 9:18 AM
@CorndogBurglar - The reason I find it to be suspect is that it's far too early to have solid plot points set in stone. Also from what I've heard in the past from Marvel is that it's Captain America that will be the direct tie-in to Avengers and from the sounds of this they are making it seem that Thor is the definitive tie-in to the Avengers.

I'm sure in the end they may have some validity to their source's claims but right now its too early to take this seriously. At least for me, that is.
WeaponX - 11/26/2009, 9:40 AM
@ weaponx

i don't think its too early to have at LEAST a basic idea of what will happen. thor is going to start shooting soon, they've already built some sets, so they have to know what will be happening in that. and i don't think thor is the definitive tie-in, they're just using loki as the villain. which is how it should be if they're following any classic comic stories.

but i think cap will still be the one to tie everything together. you have to remember that they said the Cap movie will take place entirely in WWII. so nothing from his story should really cary over except for him being frozen in ice. i guarantee that in Avengers, they'll have the team put together, but they won't work well with each other. then they'll find cap frozen in ice, and he'll be the one to make the team work.

but i see what you're saying, its hard to trust something like this when you don't know who or where it came from. but like i said, i think thats a very believable way to do things!

CorndogBurglar - 11/26/2009, 9:49 AM
shag me silly, that sounds awesomely cool
FrankCastle1 - 11/26/2009, 11:15 AM
@CorndogBurglar - You've got some solid points, however, we do know from what has been said that the majority of Thor will be set in Asgard, so set pieces being built are most likely of places within Asgard (like Odin's throne room) and from that stand point I can see that the script will be unyielding towards that. But as you know, scripts are rewritten throughout filming, sometimes until the very last day of shooting. To have someone say it's going to go down like this, end of, is fairly premature. They may have sets built but what happens within those sets can change.

What they do come off with does make sense but on the same token I can take what I know of production on Thor and scrape up a plausible point by point event scheme that can be seen as a very credible direction to go in. Especially this early in the game and because of that this direction they claim the film is going in, as logical as it may be, holds little weight at the moment until filming is in full swing. If and when spy pictures surface that happen support any of this, then I'll donate some credibility.


WeaponX - 11/26/2009, 11:21 AM
Holy santa clause shit. Sounds fantastic
ToMMaN - 11/26/2009, 11:22 AM
If this is all true then I'm totally psyched for both the Thor and Avengers movie!!!!

I was hoping that the Avengers would fight Hulk, mainly because the way I see it...The Hulk isn't a bad guy just a dangerous and almost unstoppable force, and that's how he should be in the movie.
Deadstroke - 11/26/2009, 3:50 PM
I would have to disagree about the strength of Loki compared to Thor. Someone here said Loki is 30 tons... I believe that Thor always seemed to be class 100+. A slight difference. I hate the idea of Loki killing Odin, unless it's a fake. NO ONE WOULD FOLLOW loki as a ruler. Although I didn't want Thor to be all about the hammer, I also don't want him not to use it.
animeex - 11/26/2009, 5:30 PM
@ animeex

actually, going by classes, Hulk is pretty much the only person to have class 100 strength. thor is listed as something like class 85. but thats all jibba jabba anyway, lol. there is no set classes for strengths of marvel characters. at least nothing to bet on. during Civil War, they put out an issue that was shield's files on all the pro and anti reg characters. they listed class numbers, and iron man was 70, thor was 85, and hulk was 100. but you can't think of any of that as law, because that doesn't tell you anything. what exactly does class 100 mean? how much does that mean that person can lift?? it means nothing.
CorndogBurglar - 11/26/2009, 7:02 PM
Guys - these are Marvel movies. They know the characters better than even we do. Have faith.
KeithM - 11/26/2009, 7:04 PM
Depends what marvel you look at. Thor was always class 100+ (meaning over 100 tons lift/press)and with the belt of strength, it doubled. Some places say Thor's strength was cut by a third I believe on earth. I admit I haven't read in awhile, but funny how some comics show Thor killing the Hulk. Thor is a god who has lived for how long and fought. The Hulk is rage and I wouldn't think could put so much thought into fighting styles. Now I am not saying Thor is a karate man, but I would think years of fighting would give him an edge. You know that whole experience thing. Just saying.
animeex - 11/26/2009, 7:24 PM
An old "What If" Thor killed the Hulk with his hands. Another comic Thor killed the old Hulk. Also Thor killed the Hulk in Ultimate Avengers. Again with his hands. When Thor received the Odin power, he killed Wolverine and after Dr. Strange took the Odin power away the Hulk and the Thing fought Thor. He killed the Hulk and the Thing. In the Civil War Iron Man created a clone of Thor. So it wasn't the real Thor. Sorry... Talking to my nephew and he is telling me some books facts. A true Thor fan.
animeex - 11/26/2009, 7:35 PM
Biologically half-Asgardian, half-Elder God, Thor possesses a number of superhuman attributes common among the Asgardian gods. However, some are considerably more developed than those of the vast majority of his race. Thor is the most powerful being on the planet currently and one of the most powerful beings in the Marvel Universe.
Thor The God of Thunder

Superhuman Strength: As the son of Odin and the Earth spirit, Gaea, Thor's strength is considerably greater than that of the vast majority of his race, making him the strongest of all the Asgardians and one of the most powerful beings in the Universe[6]. Thor has even been stated to be the strongest man in creation[7]. He possesses vast superhuman strength enabling him to lift far in excess of 100 tons effortlessly. He is capable of renching and lifting weights as heavy as a million tons without any effort[8]. His strength is such that it has been called unlimited[9]. Thor is capable of feats such as to physically overpower and lift the Midgard Serpent who was so large that it could coil around the entire planet Earth from head to tail multiple times over and crush it in its grip, meaning the weight Thor lifted was immeasurable[10]. Thor was even capable of supporting and lifting the weight of the entire planet on his shoulders. He possesses the unimaginable level of strength necessary enough to crush entire moons in his fists[11], and even shatter entire planets with the force of his blows[12]. He has been capable of stalemating an enraged Hulk in strength (Despite the fact that the Hulk was constantly increasing in strength with each moment.) for entire hours on end without tiring at all, he has been capable of knocking out the Hulk in combat[13], his strength is so immeasurable he has defeated both the Thing and the Hulk at once in unarmed combat without using no other power except his physical strength [14] He is capable of stalemating an enraged Banner less Hulk in brawl (the same Hulk who was able to take on and plow through the entire Avenger's team which included the likes of She Hulk, Samson, Iron Man, Namor, Hercules, Wonder Man, Capitan Marvel, Wasp, Captan America, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, The Knight )[15] How much strength Thor truly holds back against mortals and immortals alike is made evidently clear, as he was capable of knocking out the likes of Ares, Abomination and even Namor with a single blow when needed (despite the fact that he was fully hydrated and it was even raining)[16], easily defeat Bi-Beast whose strength is said to rival the Hulk's[17]. He was able to overpower (and nearly kill) the Hulk murdering, Uatu-injuring, Grandmaster-killing, Power Cosmic-draining Red Hulk in moments, nearly rendering the Juggernaut unconscious with his blows in under 60 seconds after negating the empowered human's mystical defenses[18]. He was capable of even overpowering the Silver Surfer [19]. He has also knocked out in combat powerful beings such as Gladiator, Beta Ray Bill, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, Durok etc. Thor is so powerful and strong that when he went paranoid (It was at first wrongly thought to be the dreaded Asgardian disease known as Warrior Madness that caused Thor to lose his hold on reality and become unstable mentally, but it was then revealed to be an imbalance in Thor's psyche that caused him to lose his mind.[20]), he was capable of knocking out both Beta Ray Bill and Silver Surfer in combat [21], and then was capable of defeating in battle both Adam Warlock and Silver Surfer at once.[22]. He has broken through the armor of the powerful entity known as Onslaught with his strength. Thor's strength is so vast, that he has been able to break out of Adamantium alloy coils easily[23], dent a solid block of pure Adamantium with a single blow, and even create enough force between his finger to shatter Uru itself into nothing but metallic dust[24]. Thor was even capable of slaying Odin's father, Bor (who is deemed to have so much power, the simple unleashing of his energies can shatter the Earth) himself in a blow. He has even broken through the armor of the omnipotent cosmic being, the Celestial Exitar in one blow; the force of it created a shock wave which rocked the planet Pangoria to its foundations, and was about to destroy it entirely if Thor hadn't acted.[25] Thor strength is so incredible that pushing his strength to its limits while weakened, he was even able to overpower and turn the wheels of the World Engine which was powered by the Yggdrasil itself (The same Yggdrasil the Asgardian representation of the cosmic axis, which infinite power connects connects all the worlds and binds the fabric of the cosmos themselves.). I do agree corndog and t is a good point that being stronger doesn't mean everything, but I am sure Thor knows how to use his full strength in a fight.
animeex - 11/26/2009, 8:30 PM
I think this is just a guess. The Avengers "script" is even less credible.

He lands in a desert right infront of a car? Not many cars in the desert what are the chances. Plus how do you not see something fall from the sky in a desert? Not too many distractions are there, no wait sorry I was distracted by the miles and miles of nothing but sand.

It sounds like Hercules in New York only without Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Plus Loki fights Thor 1 on 1? Come off it.
Acerimmer1 - 11/26/2009, 8:56 PM
Could very well be real

But could also very well change in later drafts

@Acerimmer1 - you see that pile of crap Transformers ROTF? Cars in the desert in a summer blockbuster... that's totally insane!?!?! =)

By the way, if something were traveling at say 60,000 mph (which is not unheard of for a meteorite), I highly doubt you'd be able to do much of anything if it were to land in front of you, let alone swerve around it heh.

It's a good opening - probably be playing Immigrant Song on the car radio - sounds like Iron Man formula to me.

Actually has a bit of an Abrams Star Trek edge to it with the drinking binge and all. I think I really like it. Mad potential. Perfect way to bridge the gap and deal with the whole "OMG it's Thor, welcome to Earth!" problem. And Feige has said over and over this will be the introduction to Marvel's "cosmic side" - Got to have some scientists in there somewhere.

I think the Thor stuff is probably real, Avengers, who knows -lots can happen between now and then. But Thor's got to be pretty close to being "hammered down" - terrible pun, I know =)
48and2 - 11/27/2009, 12:45 AM
@ animeex

i'm not sure where you got all that, but hulk has beaten thor about 100 times. i don't recall thor EVER beating hulk in a one on one fight. and "what if" comics don't count, considering they didn't ACTUALLY happen.
CorndogBurglar - 11/27/2009, 5:02 AM
Thor sounds good.

Why does everybody think the Hulk would be so cool? We saw Hulk Smash in the Incredible Hulk. He's not THAT awesome....
Fartman - 11/27/2009, 7:03 AM
That last plot bit sounded suspiciously like Hulk vs Thor DVD.
Stumblin - 11/27/2009, 8:33 AM
Then you need to checkout some comics. The Hulk is popular, that is why he seems to always be the victor... but, not always. Thor has beaten the Hulk. The "What If" issue wasn't if Thor had the strength but called "What if the Hulk went Berserk". Thor snapped his neck. The info I found about the other stories here came from my nephew who has these comics and also you can just type in Thor or estimates on Thor's strength. I have a brother who passed away, god rest him, who found information that Thor was created as someone who was to be stronger than the Hulk. Thor doesn't really want to kill the Hulk. After all, it is his friend Banner. But he has. The Hulk was also beaten by The Inhumans. Blackbolt whispered in his ear and knocked him out. I admit I am older and I know the Marvel universe has changed but I have heard the stories and even this article found ON-LINE shows Thor has beaten the Hulk. I am not trying to dis the Hulk but it is known that more people love the Hulk than Thor. So they are not about to make him lose all the time. Even the dvd that came out showed Wolverine (another favorite) doing better against the Hulk than Thor did. There is no way. It is a popularity thing. I do like the Hulk and know he can kick but. I just hate to see Thor get a bad rap when he is better than what people think.
animeex - 11/27/2009, 8:44 AM
Why does everybody think the Hulk would be so cool? We saw Hulk Smash in the Incredible Hulk. He's not THAT awesome....
Fartman - 11/27/2009, 7:03 AM
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Yeah, you're right. I don't know why the character has survived for nearly 50 years. I mean what is so exciting about a man who turns into a raging beast with unlimited strength?

Seriously - what a dumb comment. It's the Hulk. He really is THAT awesome. IF you're a marvel fan, that is - and if you're not, then you need to get with the programme. And he's an integral part of Avengers history. Hulk MUST be in The Avengers.

@CorndogBurglar: Hate to break it to you, but none of this comics stuff ever actually happened. It's all fiction dude...

I say again though: Odin has allowed Loki's schemes to play out many times, often precisely to teach him lessons too. They are BOTH his sons and both are headstrong and arrogant and BOTH need to be taught humility. Perhaps giving Loki what he wants (at least temporarily) might teach him a valuable lesson or two as well. However, Loki IS a god, not just a "super-villain". He's taken the throne of Asgard a number of times (which never lasts of course, but still...), so either way, to say "Loki can't!" shows an incredible lack of imagination, I have to say.

On a 1-on-1 battle between Thor and Loki: Loki's greatest wish would be to beat Thor down by strength of arms - something he knows is usually just not possible - and that really pisses him off. With magic, trickery (his main portfolio), and manipulation (including mental), there's any number of opportunities for Loki to do just that. Perhaps he magically steals the Hulk's strength for himself... Thor always prevails of course, but these being gods, again just about anything is possible.

Once again, these are movies made BY Marvel. They know their characters better than anyone and I trust them to do them justice.

So please, stop getting your panties in a twist over the merest rumour, stop twisting every bit of news into the worst possible outcome, be positive, use your imaginations, and above all, please, please try to be a little less comic-book-nerd-stereotypes. It's embarrassing...
KeithM - 11/27/2009, 9:12 AM
I agree with you Keith. I do agree that the Hulk needs to be in the movie and I am looking forward to a sluggfest. I just hope Thor is portrayed better than they sometimes do. Not all hammer, alot of fists and a good long fight between those two. I am not living in the land of comics. In fact I haven't really read in years. My thing is that Marvel isn't consitant with the characters all the time in the comics. I know this is comic stuff and I don't rule out anything anymore as far as movies go. I know they will do it there way and we can only hope it is entertaining. I am not the BIG Thor fan nor the Hulk... But I like the Avengers and am looking forward to the movies.
animeex - 11/27/2009, 9:23 AM
animeex - You have now called down my wrath!!!

Point #14 is BULLSHIT! When did this ever happen? The Hulk has handed Thor his ass COUNTLESS times!!! That belt of strength crap, while accurate, is meaningless, as the Celestials have humilated Thor while he had that belt on in addition to his gauntlets!! -- Thor destroyed his hammer trying to take one of them down!!!

This guy couldn't beat the Juggernaut OR the Absorbing Man! While formidable, Thor is HARDLY unstoppable!! And the Red Hulk DESTROYED him!! What the hell have you been reading?! Also, Thor could never take the Silver Surfer if the Surfer had the full range of Galactus' powers as he once did!

You do realize that the Hulk is the one with limitless physical power? Even HERCULES has beaten Thor repeatedly!! Thor once nearly passed out trying to hold up the frame of an unfinished building!

Great attempt at research, but your fact - checking may need some work! Don't understand why your numbering began at 7, but anyway...

BTW, that issue of What If...? is vol.1, #45 - "What If the Hulk went Berserk?" I bought that off the stands when it was brand new back in May of '84! I love that issue and I still have it 25 years later!
JonF - 11/27/2009, 2:29 PM
This sounds incredible! I hope this will be the actual plot!
dancingmonkey08 - 11/27/2009, 4:02 PM
"Stellan, who has grown up with Norse mythology, can't quite deal with it and goes out on a drinking binge."

Give me a break.

This sounds - particularly the quote above - stupid. The supposed plot sounds more like a (bad) Thor fanfic than a feature film storyline.
GazelTGM - 11/27/2009, 5:15 PM
Okay Jon F... Wrath back at you.

I said I am not up on comics as of new. I did see Thor beat alot of these people. Thor, while not really Thor in the Inifinity Wars had a chance to kill Thanos. He is said to be at a third of his strength. And I have heard of the several issues where Thor killed or beat these guys. Now... I found the millions part a bit odd and never heard of it, but some of the other points are true. Again I am not a comic follower anymore because of differences in all the characters. Like Spiderman once beating Firelord. Too many inconsistencies. I just wish Thor got a little more justice. It also depends on books and writers. Thor seemed to be at his best with Walt Simmons.

I have found these points on the web, not my points. I DID read the issue where Thor whooped Juggernaut. He had 60 seconds til the hammer came back. And he also did crack the head of the Celestial even though his hammer was destroyed. I agree on the "What If" front. They were good. Especially that issue. I have it and bought it new also... Nice to know there are some slightly older guys here. Later.
animeex - 11/27/2009, 5:57 PM
@GazelTGM: I grew up with Greek mythology, and if I met Hercules, I think a drink - or several - would be precisely the right reaction... :)

@animeex: does 43 count as "slightly older" ;)
KeithM - 11/28/2009, 5:59 AM
That is mine too... 43. Yes, ONLY slightly. I think drinking with Thor and Hercules would be fun. Just hope no bar fights would breakout. LOL!
animeex - 11/28/2009, 6:37 AM
WHOA. that's all that i can say
Mileena16 - 11/28/2009, 8:12 AM
@ Corndogburgler: I can't believe you said that man. Thor has been listed as class 100 for many years. And I think Thor and Hulk are more evenly matched than you guys are saying.
SixSixteen - 11/28/2009, 8:51 AM
hold up... Spider Man actually beat FIRELORD?? No way! That's bizarre and ridiculous!

Obviously that's a case of extremely bad writing.
SixSixteen - 11/28/2009, 10:19 AM
@DarthMulder- I agree, I think Thor and Hulk are pretty much even, although I prefer the Hulk as a character I think if it was a fight to the death...Thor would win..but it's hard to tell with them, Thor holds back a lot though when it comes to fighting mortals, especially the Hulk since he personally recognises Banner as a friend and doesn't want to end his life whenever he goes beserk. BTW to all the people who think Superman can beat the Hulk....your all nuts.....Hulk would own Superman just like Thor or Silver Surfer. MARVEL RULES!!!!
Ryden - 11/28/2009, 11:27 AM
If this keeps up, I'm gonna start listing some material for you guys to read!

The Hulk is nearly impossible to stop!! It has been proven time and again!!! The reason that he always gets the best of Thor is that Thor relies waaaaay too much on his Hammer! The Hulk is just sheer brute force with an inexhaustible amount of energy! Many an opponent has panicked because of the Hulk's incredible stamina!! Not to mention that he's virtually invulnerable!! Again, even Hercules has beaten Thor more than once; in fact many characters have!!

animeex - Don't believe what's posted on the web, always check the original source! You've been given a lot of misinformation! You should brush up on your CB readin'! And the Man's name is Walt SIMONSON, not Simmons, for crying out loud!

As a general rule, 90's Marvel is a lot of non - canon crap, so I take that era with many grains of salt!!

Darth and Ryden - Let us not forget that the madder Hulk gets, the stronger he gets!! Also, "Hulk is strongest one there is!" - very true!!
JonF - 11/28/2009, 2:40 PM
Good points and I agree Darth and Ryden. There was an issue that everyone I know hated and that was when Spidey beat Firelord. He had the black suit, but it never enhanced his strength til the costume went to Brock. A little far fetch. Most people who really read the comics know that Thor is a Superman... Worries and doesn't try to kill friends. He does hold back.

Oh and Jon... I never said I knew all these things to be true. I do know some of it because I have seen some of the comics and spoke to others who have read. Maybe you should pick up old issues and some new and not just the Hulk. Never said I believed everything in the article. Just something I found and through on. I am not living in comic land and only have said something because the Thor character gets to confusing. They will give all to whomever is popular. Why do you think Wolverine has gotten to be almost unbeatable. Geez, he beat LOBO in the DC/Marvel crossovers. For a guy that slugs it out with Superman I would say not. Kirby and Simonson (which I realized I wrote wrong) made Thor really Thor. Tell me what I said wrong and I will look for what I do know. As far as Simonson... For crying out loud... I am sorry but I worry more about WOMEN'S names... NOT GUYS!
animeex - 11/28/2009, 8:18 PM
Oh and I wonder why you brought up the 90's comics... Maybe you did some checking or got some advice. You can't just collect now and totally dismiss every comic ever made. In that era Marvel was huge. I admit they over did the amount of each comic made and over did the crossover stuff, but comics were selling great for them. I don't dismiss the comics then or now. I am sure they have made the Hulk stronger. But he has also gained great popularity. Has he ever really beaten Wolverine has he?? The dvd showed he couldn't beat Wolverine. It is a matter of popularity and even who is writing the books. Jim Lee made the X-Men, McFarland made Spiderman, Liefeld made X-Force, John Byrne made Superman... These are all people who didn't create but did make the comics and characters better. I admit the Hulk rocks and is a great character. But he has lost and is not unbeatable. In the long run yes, but it wouldn't make for great comics if he always wins or even wins right away.
animeex - 11/28/2009, 8:50 PM
If I was writing Hulk, Hulk would beat Thor.

If I was writing Thor, Thor would beat Hulk.

Most often they fight to a standstill and then team up to fight whoever started the fight between them. Also "winning" often has nothing to do with how strong/tough the character is, but how smart and resourceful they are. Which is why it was the Wasp who brought down the Hulk and not the Avengers' powerhouses...

Arguing over which fictional comic book character would win in a fight with another fictional comic book character is harmless fun, but ultimately ridiculous, because who wins is decided by the imagination of the writer.
KeithM - 11/29/2009, 5:57 AM
That's the ticket Keith. That is basically what I have been saying. Guess I needed to just be plain direct on that one. The dvd Thor got stomped... But Wolverine fought the Hulk better and the Hulk couldn't put him away. It is the writer or the book that tells... Well and popularity. I have a brother and two nephews who were and are HUGE Thor fans. My nephew past away 3 years ago and my brother this year. I guess I am trying for their memories and the nephew I have now. Most all Marvel characters are great and none are unbeatable. I do remember the Wasp and Black Bolt. Have you ever seen the Spiderman where Spidey got the powers of I believe captain Universe and punched the Hulk almost into space?? There was a wild imagination in the works. You said it well... Thanks!
animeex - 11/29/2009, 11:52 AM
KeithM - very true!

animeex - A lot of time could've been saved if you had clarified that the points about Thor you listed were not your own! LOL!

I've been collecting comics non-stop for the last 31 years and inherited many older comics from my siblings who collected in the '60s and '70s, not to mention gaining a wealth of information from my mother, who collected in the '40s and '50s! I NEVER stopped reading! This is how I KNOW that much of Marvel's output in the '90s was crap, due to the mass exodus of the Image founders and their subsequent recruits!!

Marvel was only huge in the early '90s because of gimmicks and overprinting due to a pronounced speculator's market! As far as content, they left a lot to be desired!!! Thunderstrike, USAgent, Force Works, the Avengers wearing matching leather jackets, the Spider-clone saga. Any of this ringing a bell? Howabout Venom:Lethal Protector? And the Infinity Gauntlet sequels were garbage! Not to mention that the X-Men had deteriorated into a sprawling mess without the guidance of Chris Claremont!!

I own nearly 200 issues of Thor, so I'm not making some off-the-cuff remarks; I don't NEED to do any research, I'm going off of memory alone!!
JonF - 11/30/2009, 3:33 PM
I am a collector too of a few more years. But just to say... I had said those words weren't mine and didn't agree with everything in it. I said what I read or thought. But all is cool.
animeex - 11/30/2009, 7:44 PM
hmmm. sounds real enough. Loki better translate well enough as a villian for him to take up two movies as the main villian though.
Keven - 12/1/2009, 12:45 PM
Corndog - I just read your post that Darth reacted to.

See, this is why I went off on you before! Go get the Official Handbook of The Marvel Universe:Deluxe Edition! It has clearly defined each characters strengths and abilities to perfection! It's been in publication for 24 years!!! How could you not know this?!?

And YES, the classification of strength levels is measured in tons! "Class 100" means that said character can lift well in excess of 100 tons, the upper limit of which has not been determined!

The Hulk has potentially limitless strength in his savage incarnation, since the madder he gets, the stronger he gets! Thor on the other hand, while also in the "100 club", has been shown to have a strength limit; which is NOT 85, it's class 100! That Civil War crap is either erroneous or revisionist! TOHOTMU is the Marvel bible! You can always rely on it for reference, as it is very complete and thorough; it even has an appendix to correct it's own mistakes!! The older editions are much more accurate than the more recent versions! Buy it!
JonF - 12/1/2009, 3:02 PM
Makes sense.
Loki was one of the first... if not the first Avenger's villian. the THOR stuff sound awesome... but it seems like, with IRON MAN 1 and 2 and HULK that the Avengers are already becoming into existance, with out the threat of Loki or Hulk...
Clutchplayer - 12/19/2009, 7:56 PM
THIS SOUNDS VERY COOL!!!!
antonio valdez - 12/22/2009, 10:57 AM
haha first day on earth and thor gets hit by a car.
Starsapphire - 5/1/2010, 9:55 PM
No way Odin gets killed by Loki. There are plenty of people that could be the Avengers main villain: Kang the Conqueror, Ultron, Loki any one of them would be great as the lead Villain but the lead villain can not be the Hulk
Superman1792 - 5/18/2010, 10:35 PM

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