Joss Whedon Shares Thoughts On Negative Reviews THE AVENGERS Received

While he has already admitted the superhero spectacle is far from perfect, writer-director Joss Whedon has now weighed in on the negative review The Avengers received, which made headlines!

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By DCMarvelFreshman - 9/4/2012
Despite all the success and critical acclaim Marvel's The Avengers superhero bonanza received, there were a few casual negative reviews thrown at this year's highest-grossing film so far. However, one review by a critic from the New York Times stood out when ‘Nick Fury’ actor Samuel L. Jackson made headlines suggesting the reviewer “needs a new job!” While writer-director Joss Whedon has acknowledged the film's flaws, recently speaking with the New York Post , the filmmaker respectfully addressed the incident.

“I went into a bubble when the film came out, but do know that Sam Jackson got pretty huffy,” Whedon says. “I don’t think a flame war is going to help anybody. People are allowed to not like the film, but I do get annoyed when somebody really hasn’t done their homework. A lot of reporting in the negative reviews . . . was more like they were reviewing the [superhero] genre than the movie itself.” Regarding the deal recently inked with Marvel, he says, “We’re just at the beginning stage. I don’t think we’ll be able to shoot it in 12 days [like Much Ado About Nothing].”




Marvel Studios presents in association with Paramount Pictures “Marvel’s The Avengers”--the super hero team up of a lifetime, featuring iconic Marvel super heroes Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye and Black Widow. When an unexpected enemy emerges that threatens global safety and security, Nick Fury, Director of the international peacekeeping agency known as S.H.I.E.L.D., finds himself in need of a team to pull the world back from the brink of disaster. Spanning the globe, a daring recruitment effort begins.

Starring Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner and Samuel L. Jackson, & directed by Joss Whedon from a screenplay by Joss Whedon, “Marvel’s The Avengers” is based on the ever-popular Marvel comic book series “The Avengers,” first published in 1963 and a comics institution ever since. Prepare yourself for an exciting event movie, packed with action and spectacular special effects, when “Marvel’s The Avengers” assemble on May 4, 2012. The film is distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. In addition to "Marvel's The Avengers," Marvel Studios will release a slate of films based on the Marvel characters including "Iron Man 3" on May 3, 2013!; & “Thor 2” on November 8, 2013.

Source: New York Post
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Canon108 - 9/4/2012, 9:02 PM
Most of the negative reviews hit the nail right on the head though...it was a popcorn movie for children that would essentially sell itself regardless of who was in charge. I just hope they change Captain America's costume for the sequel...
DCMarvelFreshman - 9/4/2012, 9:07 PM
lol I honestly don't get how someone can say this movie was made for kids. This movie was made for geeks/fanboys, that children can enjoy just as much as adults.
DCMarvelFreshman - 9/4/2012, 9:14 PM
What @DAFIRG said;)
GizmoEl - 9/4/2012, 9:15 PM
Upon rewatching the movie a few more times, it's surprising how dark this movie is. I don't understand why people would say its a kids movie when coulson has the septer shoved through his chest and when a Loki forcibly (off camera) cuts and scans a guys eyeball.. The entire movie has a sense of hopelessness that was turned around at the end when they united against Loki. Just because it wasnt filmed dark and has characters with colorful costumes doesn't mean the film isn't dark.
G3n3r4lzZoD9 - 9/4/2012, 9:16 PM
While I do agree that having seen the movie more times now that I might have been blinded by the hype, it´s not as good as I first thought after having seen it, that reviewer went to the cinema with the intention to hate on the movie.
TrueRedBlue - 9/4/2012, 9:29 PM
There are people out there, especially 'prestigious' film buffs, who think that superhero films are ruining the film industry. Which I can agree with to an extent. But honestly I think that when it's really done right, like The Dark Knight or Avengers or even Amazing Spider-Man, than it's not shaming the film industry.
Keldor - 9/4/2012, 9:33 PM
There is Fine Film and then there are great movies. there is a big difference and people should know that.
Super12 - 9/4/2012, 9:34 PM
I love Batman more than probably any other hero in any medium in existence...and to me The Avengers was the crowning moment for the entire Comic Book Movie genre. What a masterpiece. Putting together all those top-notch characters, each developed with such quality and with a consistent overtone throughout...just genius. A work that set the bar higher than ever.
SageMode - 9/4/2012, 9:36 PM
According to Nolanite logic..............CBM - Dark x Gritty = immature kid flick.

The Avengers was just more gravitative towards a wider-ranged audience. It didn't take itself too seriously nor did it try to appeal to one specific demographic. And again most importantly......it was an unapologetic comic book movie.

The majority of those negative reviews were pretentious anyhow.

AmazingFantasy - 9/4/2012, 9:37 PM
@Super12 hit it on the head.

thatdylhooper - 9/4/2012, 9:38 PM
Sentiment...
JillValenfield - 9/4/2012, 9:41 PM
Oh, mr Whedon, just ignore those stupid reviews. You did a great job with this movie!
Every movie has always some disadvantages that comes up in reviews. But this is just something normal. Besides, even his great tvshows (buffy, angel, firefly) had some negative things but that does not mean that the tvshows were horrible! They were great but some reviewers didn't, and that's it! He is one wonderful director!

God, how much I miss his old tvshows :) ...

Kevinwillpeabodyproperties - 9/4/2012, 9:49 PM
Batman and avengers were both great. I prefer the avengers, others batman.
DioFoRio - 9/4/2012, 9:49 PM
whedon must visit this site with all the trolly stupid shit that's spout. Anybody who thinks that ANY CBM isn't for kids or kids at heart is a social and intellectual moron. Yje whole bats is for adults sounds stupid just typing it. If you want to bring up that argument...you may want to pick a different movie to champion...Schindlers List was pretty adult.
Gigacrusher45 - 9/4/2012, 9:49 PM
I'm not sure why anyone would say this movie or any of the Marvel movies are for kids... not that kids can't watch them but they were %100 not made for kids.

And F that one guy.
Tymminator - 9/4/2012, 9:50 PM
Hell, whenever I read something here, or anywhere where someone says the Avengers was a "kid's movie", I just can't take them seriously anymore. They have no idea what the hell a kid's movie is.

Yeah, kids can see it, but it was not made just for just for them. If it was, so was the Raiders of the Lost Ark, and the original Star Wars trilogy (George Lucus now says his original films were made for kids, but he's rewriting history, as it is also an example of an "all-ages" deal) and other classic films that got many people of all ages to see it.

If peeps don't like it, then that's their right, but some of the arguments that come from the opposition just reak of being a hater.
DioFoRio - 9/4/2012, 9:50 PM
I'll even take Debbie Does Dallas for 300
DioFoRio - 9/4/2012, 9:51 PM
preach Tyminator.
DioFoRio - 9/4/2012, 9:51 PM
@Canon...did they not serve popcorn at your repeat viewings of TDKR?
Tymminator - 9/4/2012, 9:53 PM
That said, there are some Kid's movies that are meant for kids, but adults can love. I loved "the Incredibles", I REALLY adored "Up". That's two kid's movies that were downright awesome in my book.
IronSpider101 - 9/4/2012, 9:53 PM
God damn, the people here are immature. Especially compared to the Superhero-Hype boards (just joined). What the hell?


I loved the Avengers, it's a great movie, its power is the fact that it's an unabashed comic-book movie that celebrates the art-form and manages to be a fun film. It's got balls, it's not afraid to BE a full comic-book movie, which is where the X-Men films failed (first 3, anyway).


I loved TDKR more, personally, but that's just because I enjoyed the engaging story-telling, the acting, the music, and the level of depth that it had. It's a completely different beast and tried completely different things.


Both films achieve exactly what their individual goals were, both films had their own individual goals, they're both accomplishments. They're both competant films.

Why does there have to be a childish war? Why cant these all just be nice things? Are you really that big a child that you have to have a side?

This is what happens when you lump a bunch of fanboys together to talk about movie adaptations when they really don't care about movie-making, they're just arguing about who they like best and how "close it is to the comics" like that matters (it just needs to be a good movie, to be a good movie it has to be faithful to SOME level, but not completely). They're gonna argue about which film was better without actually having a grasp on what that means.


SageMode - 9/4/2012, 9:56 PM
TYMMINATOR

Yeah man, The Incredibles was an awesome movie.
Brady1138 - 9/4/2012, 9:57 PM
I think Whedon has his mind in the right place for criticism and opinions. If you criticize something, but cannot back your opinion up and give reasons, then it is not worth regarding. However, if somebody criticizes something I like and they are able to back the opinion up, I am willing to respect their opinion without getting frustrated.
SunSp0t - 9/4/2012, 9:59 PM
People always wanna hate on things that are great. Hey, that rhymed lol.
DarthTesla - 9/4/2012, 10:00 PM
The Avengers a children's movie? [frick]ing stupid.

I've been reading Avengers comics since 1991, and I have to say it was the perfect Avengers movie.
Tymminator - 9/4/2012, 10:01 PM
The last thing I am gonna say then I'm out is something I've said on this board before and i will say it this last time.

If it wasn't for the Superhero movies this summer, I would have been disappointed as hell as all the other movies for the most part didn't pull their weight for what I expected.Batman didn't just save Gotham and the Avengers just didn't save the world,they both saved the summer from having a weak outing.

2012 was a good year for comic movies to make their mark and let Hollywood know that this is a genre they better take seriously, and if they do, people will be there and pay money to see them.
xeno - 9/4/2012, 10:09 PM
Whedon hit the nail on the head with regard to most of the negative reviews (excluding a few who were plainly just being asses). Several of the "top" critics used their reviews to rail against the superhero genre as a whole, rather than offering an specific and credible critique of The Avengers in particular. The one reviewer whom Samuel L. Jackson called out on Twitter, AO Scott of the NY Times, was the most egregious example of this. Scott and Andrew O'Hehir of Salon flat-out so that they want the genre to go away, so they gave negative reviews to The Avengers simply because of their biases rather than because they took the time to analyze the film.


It would have been one thing if they had taken the time to analyze the film and faulted it on its own merits. The fact that they slammed TA simply because it represented something they dislike was the problem. That's "not doing their homework," and it's why Jackson reacted the way he did, telling Scott that if he didn't want to do his job as a critic he should find some other profession. Spewing blind hatred at an entire genre tells the reader nothing, except what the reviewers unthinking biases happen to be.


We won't even get into the minor reviewers for niche publications and blogs who were simply shamelessly trolling for hits. They deserve no attention and only get it because aggregators like Rotten Tomatoes have such low standards. At least they finally dumped Armond White.
Ranger14 - 9/4/2012, 10:11 PM
Every movie is a popcorn flick. There isn't a movie that I go to that I don't have popcorn at, so I don't get what why certain films are referred to as popcorn flicks. Considering WB Executives referred to TDKR as being this summer's popcorn flick that pretty much validates that all kinds of films are popcorn flicks.
jimpinto24 - 9/4/2012, 10:18 PM
Haters are gonna hate! Mrvel comic book movies are for the entire family to watch. So of course it's going to be a popcorn movie. That critic probably never read an Avengers comic. That's why he was so quick to run his mouth, and say negative things about it. It doesn't matter what anybody say's, because The Avengers shattered the box officce, and became the third highest grossing movie of all time!
MasterApoc81 - 9/4/2012, 10:23 PM
they did a good job on both ....so zip it lmao!!!!! tasm and tdkr did a awesome job of modernizing the batman and spiderman story while keeping most the important story line facts in ......avengers did a goood job of that too ...you know who didnt lmao!!!!!! ghost rider !!!! re freakkkkkingggggg boooot dat that garbage ......mcG needs to direct ....can someone call jj abrams on the phone for a greeen lantern re write lmao !!!!!! only two depressing let downs for me ....ghost rider in russia lame !!!! if one movie needs to be more dark ...its ghost rider ...they need the writers of constintine and supernatural in da foool....they need some scary demons ....shit that would scare you so bad u would welcome a flaming skull on a bike trying to save u ....thats what need to happen bring in a true darkhart .....green lantern storyline was on target but ....they could have done without the big headed dude ....and they should have went full modernazation ...and alot more actions and RR needed to be more dramatic ....mathew fox would have been lil better choice or dean from supernatural could did it ......just mainly needed to be more serious and less shessy the only bright light to that movie was snestro .....mark strong hit that role on the dime ...and whatever they do they better bring him back !!!!!
CoughCough - 9/4/2012, 10:24 PM
People think this film isn't deep and it's made for kids because it looks like it. But they are too self-possessed to see the deep element this film brings. Although it does not have the time too fully expand its themes but The Avengers includes: war ethic, privacy & secret intelligence, Does the end justify the mean, team play, leadership, family vs justice, religion, etc.
nikgrid - 9/4/2012, 10:28 PM
Look, there is no depth to this film. There really isn't. But hey, that's fine. It was an ok film...but Iron man was a better made film, As was the Dark Knight. I agree with the Cap America outfit...that was garbage. And please don't shoot back saying "yeah well you suck and The Avengers is awesome" because that still doesn't address the fact the film was ok.
Ranger14 - 9/4/2012, 10:36 PM
CoughCough@ Yep. There were a lot of underlying tones and messages in the film that apparently a lot of people missed or didn't pay attention to. You named a number of them. Those that say there is no depth to the film...didn't want to find any depth to the film, which I guess is okay.
TheGambitFreakIsBatmanOfCBM - 9/4/2012, 10:37 PM
Hell yes this is a Family film, and like most Family movies, there is parts and elements of it for everyone.

The Hulk for kids(And me)to scream and laugh at.
The pop culture references for the geeks.
The sexy chicks for those of us that are socially awkward towards chicks.
The buff, hot dudes for the ladies.
And of course, the upbringing of The [frick]ing Avengers Assembling for the first time for us Badass nerds!!!!!

Oh! And 1 other thing,SEXUAL EUPHEMISMS!

2 words: Mewling Quim!
JDUKE25 - 9/4/2012, 10:37 PM
I really enjoyed Avengers, most fun I've had at the theaters. But I just now recently saw Transformers: Dark of the Moon, and I liked that better than Avengers. The music, action and drama was just better IMO.
LAXtremest - 9/4/2012, 10:38 PM
Upon rewatching the movie a few more times, it's surprising how dark this movie is. I don't understand why people would say its a kids movie when coulson has the septer shoved through his chest and when a Loki forcibly (off camera) cuts and scans a guys eyeball.. The entire movie has a sense of hopelessness that was turned around at the end when they united against Loki. Just because it wasnt filmed dark and has characters with colorful costumes doesn't mean the film isn't dark.


^^^^THIS^^^^
Minghagz - 9/4/2012, 10:39 PM
There's no movie that everyone is going to like. Avengers is fun and enjoyable!

Avengers has flaws just like other movies. But one thing is for certain is that the Avengers is so far the best team up movie to date.
DCMarvelFreshman - 9/4/2012, 10:41 PM
@nikgrid It's all opinions, and that is yours. A majority of people obviously disagree.
LAXtremest - 9/4/2012, 10:41 PM
It's not a FACT a movies average because a few angry fans say it is. Majority rules and this film was pretty much universally praised. GET OVER IT. As was Dark Knight Rises.
LAXtremest - 9/4/2012, 10:43 PM
JDUKE25- Where I can't get on board with you is the entire Witwicky family, the Twinz being morphed into those small transformers, and the dude from Sector 7.
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