Joss Whedon Reflects On 2012; THE AVENGERS Sequel And S.H.I.E.L.D Pilot Status Updates

Offhandedly revealing that he's turned in an outline for the 2015 sequel, director Joss Whedon has elaborated on the year and how some of his inner anger was showcased in Marvel's The Avengers.

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By DCMarvelFreshman - 12/4/2012
Critically acclaimed filmmaker Joss Whedon recently talked with Entertainment Weekly for their annual Entertainers of the Year issue. And among the things he discussed was how directing Marvel's The Avengers exposed a bit of his inner anger for Hollywood and life in general. And also featured in EW's coverage are brief updates for Whedon's 2015 followup to this year's highest-grossing superhero movie, and his prospective S.H.I.E.L.D. TV series at Disney's ABC.

Meeting with Whedon days after he submitted the 1st outline of The Avengers sequel and amid his preparation for the S.H.I.E.L.D. pilot's filming commencement, EW says that if ABC picks up the series, “Whedon will remain involved as exec producer. And his brother Jed Whedon, his brother's wife Maurissa Tancharoen and Jeffrey Bell will serve as “lead showrunners.” In describing the show's story, EW says it will be a spy-fi drama tracking the ongoing adventures of the secret agents and superhero wranglers of Marvel’s movie world.

About all the inner anger that transpired this year, Whedon says, “I’ve had a wonderful career, and I’m grateful for it. But like every writer in Hollywood, there have been many times where I’ve said, ‘I swear to God, if you just me do this the way I’m thinking of doing it, it’ll work out!’ and I’ve been thwarted. Once you get to this place, where people will listen to you, give you the benefit of the doubt, and will get out of your way, all of the stuff you’ve learned to live with and tamped down, you don’t need to live with it anymore and so the basement door opens … and you go down into there … and read from the diary that raises the dead.” He laughs. “It’s a weird little counter-intuitive thing.” Whedon continues, “What was most astonishing to me about making [The Avengers] was how personal it was. I literally had the I’m-always-angry revelation during production. I had this certain amount of back-burner simmer of rage that I was completely aware of, but apparently I wrote it for Bruce Banner, going (to myself): ‘I think this is what a guy like this might go through!’ Interesting! What guy, Joss? ‘I don’t know! Some guy. I can’t think of anyone in particular, or why this is coming to me…’ Really, Joss? Really?”

Be sure to head over to Entertainment Weekly for the full interview. Anyhow, with an outline already completed for Marvel's The Avengers sequel, the grand master plan for “Phase 2” of Marvel's shared cinematic universe is pretty much shaped up. What do you think?





Marvel Studios already describes their highly-anticipated sequel to the No. 3 highest grossing film of all time, “Marvel's The Avengers,” as another “big cinematic event.” And expected to feature the reassembly of iconic Marvel super heroes Iron Man, the Incredible Hulk, Thor, Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow & Nick Fury taking on a new unexpected enemy, new additions to the superhero team up of a lifetime are possible.

Expecting reprisals from Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner and Samuel L. Jackson, and directed by Joss Whedon from a screenplay by Joss Whedon, “Marvel’s The Avengers” sequel is based on the ever-popular Marvel comic book series “The Avengers,” first published in 1963 and a comics institution ever since. And set for release May 1, 2015, the film is distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. In addition to the sequel, Marvel Studios will release a slate of films based on the Marvel characters including “Iron Man 3” on May 3, 2013; “Thor: The Dark World ” on November 8, 2013; “Captain America: The Winter Soldier” on April 4, 2014; and “Guardians of the Galaxy” on August 1, 2014.

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malekithdude - 12/4/2012, 1:27 PM
So basically we're going to have Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 as stand alone movies, and then Captain America along with Guardians of the Galaxy as the arc building films.
GuardianAngel - 12/4/2012, 2:31 PM
Let the worship begin.
thorhulk77 - 12/4/2012, 2:31 PM
He already submitted an outline for Avengers 2? awesome, he probably has read all the phase 2 scripts and knows whats happened with each character.
TheTaskmaster - 12/4/2012, 2:32 PM
@Intruder Agreed. The groundwork was all done in Phase 1. All they need to do now is use clever post-credit scenes to set up Avengers 2.
ATrueHero1987 - 12/4/2012, 2:32 PM
idk why but I have a feeling that there MIGHT be a Thanos reference in IM3 AND I also got a feeling Falcon will be the new Avengers member...
dezdigi - 12/4/2012, 2:34 PM
Even though IM3 is meant to be a stand alone film, I hope there are some elements that carry over from film to film to set the stage for TA2. This way it builds the anticipation for the sequel all over again!
Shamo - 12/4/2012, 2:34 PM
spy-fi? i like that word.
thorhulk77 - 12/4/2012, 2:38 PM
@marvel87

I believe so too. The upcoming Avengers Assemble show, which is based on the MCU, has Flacon as the newest member.
GodzillaKart - 12/4/2012, 2:41 PM
Can't wait. Avengers is the most fun I have had at the theater in years..
Durf - 12/4/2012, 2:42 PM
Can't wait for Phase 2 to start! It's going to kick some ass!

Also, did Joss self-reference with the basement thing? lol
GodzillaKart - 12/4/2012, 2:42 PM
I hope if the SHEILD show works out, they include some B-list heroes and villains that aren't going to appear in a film, but would still be great to see brought to life.
unknownfacts - 12/4/2012, 2:44 PM
Maybe they'll reference the infinity gems through out each movie leading up to the Avengers 2.
DrDoom - 12/4/2012, 2:47 PM
Building up? Stand-alone? When will you guys understand? The Marvel Cinematic Universe is a consistently developing franchise. All of these movies are building up story arcs over each other. None of them are "stand-alone"
Jollem - 12/4/2012, 2:51 PM
@Godzillafart - agree with you about the shield show. shield is about as interesting to me as ant-man or the galaxy guards, which is to say not very much
BlueDemon - 12/4/2012, 2:56 PM
@yoss- Your chick pics make me hungry and your food pics make me want to spank the monkey...oh wait
sexfoodcomics - 12/4/2012, 2:57 PM
The man. The legend. The joss.
BANE5000 - 12/4/2012, 2:58 PM
I hope he keeps it small and personal to the characters as he said before, that would be interesting to see play before the big blow out with Thanos
TheSnuggler - 12/4/2012, 3:06 PM
I miss Grif
Marqy47 - 12/4/2012, 3:16 PM
kewl
Durf - 12/4/2012, 3:20 PM
nice yoss. nice
rockerdude22 - 12/4/2012, 3:33 PM
Joss really sounds like someone I'd like to get a beer with haha. Looking forward to whatever he does next!
figuresmaniac - 12/4/2012, 3:35 PM
@yoss, wow
aztecRaingod - 12/4/2012, 3:47 PM
"Joss Whedon Reflects on THE AVENGERS Sequel"


Ok, sure. A bit of false adevertising there, DCMARVELFRESHMAN. Wtf?
Temple - 12/4/2012, 3:51 PM

@Yoss O M G. DAT SANDWICH.

@AmericanPsycho Naa, I felt the same way, but then I read SHIELD and Secret Warriors by jonathan hickman and that changed, so I got excited. Besides its joss, you can always expect, the unexpected with that guy.

sikwon - 12/4/2012, 3:57 PM
@Acidicheart. I agree 100%.
bhorwith22 - 12/4/2012, 3:58 PM
Joss Whedon is awesome. I hope he has plans to bring back Firefly.
DCMarvelFreshman - 12/4/2012, 4:03 PM
@aztecRaingod Where in this article does it say "Joss Whedon Reflects on THE AVENGERS Sequel?"
Pharaoh - 12/4/2012, 4:20 PM
making Falcon a member of The Avengers in the sequel would be a huge error. Ant-Man releases a few months after The Avengers 2 so that means Ant/Giant Man for Avengers 3 (If he isn't in Avengers 2) plus that'll mean Wasp too (Allyson Hannigan should be cast as her)
which would be way too many characters to juggle in Avengers movies n we don't want to sacrifice existing ones god damn Pepper Potts got more actual screen time than The Hulk did in the last Avengers flick


Falcon should remain like War Machine n just appear in the solo flicks
Nas - 12/4/2012, 4:26 PM
Ok movie had more flaws than TDKR though.
marvel72 - 12/4/2012, 4:28 PM
joss whedon is good at what he does.not a fan of buffy,angel or firefly but i loved toy story,the avengers & his astonishing x-men run.

@ ironpatriot88

you should try & read guardians of the galaxy 1-25(2008),annihilation conquest,war of kings,realm of kings & the thanos imperative.

if you read them & you still wasn't excited for the guardians of the galaxy,you never will be.
marvel72 - 12/4/2012, 4:32 PM
@ nas

i agree both movies had flaws but i think they felt worse with the dark knight rises because people expect more from nolan who is suppose to be such a great director.

well like it or not he dropped the ball with the dark knight rises.
Nas - 12/4/2012, 4:36 PM
With a movie as formualaic and simple as the avengers it is worse considering he took no risk and there are so many.
Nas - 12/4/2012, 4:51 PM
Just some examples of flaws in the Avengers.

Chitauri Alien Army - They seem about as strong as your average person, making their threat pretty non-existent, especially given their small numbers. And their plan of riding around in circles and shooting parked cars didn't really seem like it was going to achieve anything in the long run. Super-heroes were not necessary to handle these guys. In fact, they probably took longer than the military would to take care of them just because the heroes are so insistent on hand-to-hand combat as opposed to using guns which would wipe out the aliens quickly and easily.

Hawkeye's Aim - When Maria Hill is driving in front of Hawkeye, with the two vehicles facing each other, how does Hawkeye, the world's greatest sharpshooter, not only miss Hill, but never even hit the window in front of her? One might argue that Loki's mind control powers have an effect on Hawkeye's abilities, but that doesn't seem to hinder him any other time in the movie.


The Invisible Flying Hellicarrier - What purpose does that serve? Are they secretly sneaking into enemy territory and pulling off covert-missions with that thing? Then it's a good thing it's not the loudest transportation vehicle in the history of the world, right?


Power 400 Percent Capacity - It looks like Tony Stark is substantially under-powering his suits given that it could take a charge of four times as much as he expected without a problem.

Plenty of Air to Breathe - Even though they're miles above the Earth, Hawkeye and Captain America seem to run around on top and outside of the Helicarrier just fine. This sticks out especially because the first time they took off, Black Widow had advised Captain America to get inside specifically for this very reason.

And Speaking of Coulson - Did any of them really know Coulson at all? Captain America knew him for about a day. The rest had had brief passings with him. But apparently this one man's death is supposed to mean more to these people than the eighty deaths that were stated by Black Widow before the Helicarrier attack and the several that must have happened during it. What sort of heroes are these?

Nice Hulk - The biggest issue of the movie. First Hulk was really mean and out of control and tried to kill the good guys. But now, Hulk is nice and takes orders pretty well and nobody really seemed to give this a second thought, not even the people he just tried to kill. Speculation on why this is ranges to several different theories, but ultimately, this just exists so the the Hulk can be whatever the plot needs him to be at the moment, first a villain, then a hero. It's hard to believe that to some people "I'm always angry" isn't enough of an explanation for this? Some folks....

Robbing the Bank - Why were the Chitauri gathering up people in the bank just to kill them? They had far more pressing issues at the moment. Not that killing this small group of people would have achieved anything for them anyway.

"Can You Hear Me Now?" - Despite having no ear-pieces, all the heroes can communication with each other
when they're great distances apart by just talking like they were all standing right next to each other.

A large issue with this movie was that there was never any sense of danger or threat at any point in this movie. None of the characters seemed to think that any of this was a big deal. They were constantly cracking-wise throughout the whole thing. It was too jokey and comedic for any sense of danger to seep through. Hulk was playfully punching Thor in the middle of an alien invasion. Coulson waited patiently on the phone while Black Widow was busy beating up bad guys. No character in this movie ever took their situation seriously, so neither does the viewer. And afterall, why should they? Everyone was next to invincible, even the human characters. Black Widow got backhanded by the Hulk. She was fine. She even had a gash on her forehead that healed in a couple of hours. Captain America and Hawkeye let out some groans after some taking some big hits, but that's about as bad as things got. Everyone was all pretty indestructible and at that point they just become story devices to move things along.

No Plot - Story was next to non-existent in this movie. And what little of it there was only seemed to exist to move the movie from set-piece to set-piece. This movie was more like separate individual sequences that had been strung together in hopes of making some sort of cohesive whole rather than being a complete movie itself. This movie was about as simplistic and dumbed-down as possible, making the entire experience unfulfilling and forgettable . It would be nice if there was more to say on this matter, but there's not a whole lot to comment on the story and plot given that there's hardly any there to begin with. Plotting and cohesiveness weren't just put second, they were completely ignored. It's how a list like this can exist.
mkilban2 - 12/4/2012, 5:02 PM
^ lol just shut up and enjoy things man. life's too short to b1tch and moan and try and find every little thing wrong with movies.. this same thing can be done with ANY movie ever made. nothing and no one is perfect
kemuael - 12/4/2012, 5:08 PM
let the epicness begin!!!
Temple - 12/4/2012, 5:16 PM
@mkilban Finally, thank you. We need more people like you on here man, because some people take things too far lol.
aztecRaingod - 12/4/2012, 6:34 PM
DCMF, It says so in the title of your article, heh.

"Joss Whedon Reflects On 2012; THE AVENGERS Sequel And S.H.I.E.L.D Pilot Status Updates"

My apologies though, they do indeed mention one sentence regarding A2 "We met with him just days after he had submitted an outline for the 2015 sequel The Avengers"

Still misleading though.
aztecRaingod - 12/4/2012, 6:53 PM
@Nas

The Chitauri are indeed somewhat superhuman. Many of them survived falls onto earth that would have maimed an ordinary human. While you do see them being taken out by regular humans such as BW and Hawkeye, it’s because this is (repeat after me) a COMIC BOOK MOVIE.

If Hawkeye failed to damage the windshield of Maria's ride, I think you’re the only person in the blogosphere that noticed it. Good job.

Invisible carrier= If you have a problem with this, I don’t know what to tell you.

Power 400%= This has happened in the comics. I for one am not surprised that the armor could absorb such a large amount of energy, especially when it’s coming from a god. I don’t know why that troubles you. Maybe there is something about Thor's magic lightning that makes it this way.

Plenty of air to breathe= Cap IS NOT A NORMAL HUMAN. And Hawkeye is out there for all of a minute while he infiltrates the carrier.

Nice Hulk= The Hulk was pretty mean at first because he (and Banner) was still angry at the Black Widow for lying to him when she tried recruiting him at the beginning of the film. Thor punches him in the face, then the SHIELD Jet fires on him, etc etc. I think I would be pissed off too.

The Chitauri were killing people because, duh, that’s what they were instructed to do.

Can you hear me now= They probably have ear pieces.

No sense of danger…? Were we watching the same movie?

No plot? (See above reply)
BrownandYellowWolvie - 12/4/2012, 6:54 PM
seriously, uh, just about any movie can be dissected and problems found. Avatar, TDKR, TDK, etc. etc. etc.
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