TDKR: Description Of A Deleted Scene With Miranda Tate And Lucius Fox

Taken straight from the original script of Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, hit the jump to read a description of a deleted scene featuring Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman) and Miranda Tate (Marion Cotillard) at Wayne Enterprises.

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By NerdyGeek - 7/26/2012


Thanks to Twitter user @antovolk, a deleted scene from the original script of The Dark Knight Rises is now online. The scene features Lucius Fox and Miranda Tate having a discussion at Wayne Enterprises. You can also see a screencap of the specific scene, which was shown in the 13-minute featurette for the film a while back. Check out all down below!





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CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 2:11 PM
At least this would have provided more screen time for her character, who was terribly under-developed.

Other than that, it's clear to see why it was cut as it serves no great purpose.
nailbiter111 - 7/26/2012, 2:18 PM
funn, nolan delays the film so that he can get marion onto the film, but never develops the character properly, which leads to a lot of the plot holes.
Fantine - 7/26/2012, 2:20 PM
i just wish she had more a relationship with Wayne, so when her reveal was revealed it hurt him more.
Scooby - 7/26/2012, 2:34 PM
Let's face it - all of us wanted to see Marion Cotillard topless.
BreakingBad - 7/26/2012, 2:36 PM
Underdeveloped characters?

HELLO, her entire motive was to SPOILER Avenge Ras Al Ghul. Someone want to explain to me how she was underdeveloped? She cared for Bane. She hated her father for condemning him for such an obvious weakness.

What more do you want from her character?
Marxman12 - 7/26/2012, 2:36 PM
Actually I think the romance between Bruce and Miranda was unnecessary since Bruce {SPOILER} ended up with Selina. I mean Bruce left his entire company and the energy device in the hands of Miranda Tate. That is enough of a betrayal that she abused his trust with such a vital task.
And I agree, her character was terribly underdeveloped and (might I add) poorly acted. One of my few complaints with TDKR was how terribly acted {SPOILER} Talia's death was.
95 - 7/26/2012, 2:38 PM
Would of been nice to have that in there. But, unnecessary.
Scooby - 7/26/2012, 2:40 PM
@Marxman12 I disagree :)



I thought she did fine :)
CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 2:40 PM
@BreakingBad

(SPOILERS)

I respect your opinion but around 3/4 of those that have seen the movie would say her character was under-developed. You can't put her development as a character on the stories of Ra's and Bane, however much she was connected to them. Her story was told in ultimately 2 minutes, consisting of a flashback and a short reveal speech to Bruce.

Her lack of screen time was also something that resulted in a character lacking any depth.
GingerBird - 7/26/2012, 2:42 PM
I lOved TDKR but where were:

1. Mathew modine getting hit and flipped by a tumbler

2. That tumbler driving up the Capitol steps and shooting its cannon?

Both are missing from the final cut...
Scooby - 7/26/2012, 2:43 PM
@Azazel1 Totally agree - she definitely needed more flesh, a topless scene would've been nice :)
CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 2:46 PM
@GingerBird

More than just those shots/scenes were missing from the final cut.

Much of what was in the trailers was absent from the movie itself.

At least none of those shots/scenes that weren't included were as seemingly important as the many cuts from the TASM trailers.
BreakingBad - 7/26/2012, 2:48 PM
@CBMJamie

I don't care what others say, as many opinions on this film have very flawed support.

Why can't I put the story of Ras and Bane as her story. The film clearly explains her entire lifespan.

She was born in the pit after her mother placed herself in there in Ras' stead. Her mother was killed in the pit and she was next until Bane saw innocence in her and protected her long enough for her to escape. She was only able to escape because of her strong will, being Ras' child and all. After having Bane saved, they trained together under Ras until Ras told Bane to leave because he was a monster with an obvious weakness. Upset, she abandoned her father which is probably the reason he lost and died in Gotham (with her help, he probably would've won). So the entirely revenge motive works for her.

I WON'T say it wasn't clunky. It really could've used more time but as it stands, it was okay-ly explained and developed. We learn about her entire lifespan
CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 2:57 PM
@BreakingBad

I would hardly say the film 'explains her entire lifespan'.

Explaining is very different from telling, and The Dark Knight Rises told her story so quickly that it was under-developed.

That entire paragraph you wrote does say what we were told but it was never really explained and when I say explained I mean that in the sense of we never really engage in her story. It was told in a rapid flashback that lasted a a matter of minutes.

I have never said that the revenge motive does not work for her, so please do not try and put words in my mouth that I have not once said.

An under-developed character can still be one we know the life-story for. It is about the time and detail of that story that we establish how well developed a character is, which Talia, most definitely was not.
bestintheworld - 7/26/2012, 3:02 PM
The scene where selina runs the bat-pod into an IMAX camera didn't make the final cut either....what a shame.
REDSTORM - 7/26/2012, 3:03 PM
@Gingerbird, I'd imagine that the movie road the fence between PG-13 and R a bit closely with all of the violence so some parts had to be cut out. They replaced the scene in which Modine is hit by the tumbler with the one where he's shot up offscreen and then shown dead.
REDSTORM - 7/26/2012, 3:03 PM
@BestInTheWorld, That scene would've been amazing in 3D! :P
CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 3:06 PM
@REDSTORM

It is a strong possibility that the want for a PG-13 rating was the cause of the cuts. That, or run-time, but I hardly see those shots adding much, if any, more time to the film.
GoILL - 7/26/2012, 3:06 PM
I co-sign Scooby's comments in regards to Ms. Cottilard.
OptimisticPrime - 7/26/2012, 3:09 PM
Damn. Hoped for some BM/WF.
BreakingBad - 7/26/2012, 3:11 PM
@CBMJaimie

Doing it quickly doesn't make it underdeveloped. It makes it clunky yes and that is a flaw, but a vastly different one then underdeveloped, which means key aspects of her character AREN'T there when they are, just hastily told to you.

We engage her story fair enough. Actually, if you rewatch the film, with Talia's reveal in mind you realize that every flashback you think is for Bane is actually for Talia thus making her character even more explored just secretly so.

Again, underdeveloped ISN'T the right complaint.

I never put words in your mouth. The revenge motive allows her character to thrive as her character development occurred before the events of the main story.

Its not about time, IT IS about detail, which the film gives, albeit clunky. An underdeveloped character is one who doesn't have an emotional arc, who stays the same from beginning to end, whose ideas and motives we aren't made clear of at all. She doesn't have an emotional arc in the events of the film, but she does have the other 2.


CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 3:27 PM
@BreakingBad

Bane's(in other words Talia's) story was told quickly also, so as for that argument I see no strength to it.

You did in-fact put words in my mouth, by commenting in a manner that showed me to be someone who didn't believe in her motives for revenge.

What I cannot understand, is how you deem 3 minutes of story-telling to be sufficient development of a character who has so much importance to the film's plot and its other characters.

You can throw the word 'clunky' around as much as you want, even as weak an adjective as it is.

Under-developed in terms of a movie character covers that of a character whose story isn't sufficiently explained in detail or depth.

How has she managed to infiltrate Wayne Enterprises with a fake identity?

How long has she been in Gotham (considering the 8 year gap)?

Although not essential questions, their respective answers would have gone some way into giving her character more depth and weight in regards the plot of the film.

Understanding her character is one thing, and that comes from story-telling, but feeling a connection to the character is something that comes from good character development.

Although I am hesitant to use others' opinions to support mine, it must be said that many critics and fans alike have noted her character is rushed, under-developed and lacking in emotional depth. That depth comes from a developed story. Her role was too brief and her story told too quick, for her character to be at any point described as developed.

A character who makes only a few appearances throughout a near-3-hour-long movie, and whose story is told in a matter of a few minutes via narration and flashbacks - towards the end aswell I mihgt add - is in no way, no matter how well you might argue your case, developed.

Minato - 7/26/2012, 3:28 PM
Quick Questions
If Goyer continues writing these movies is a reboot necessary?

What happened to all the other Blackgate prisoners who stole Wayne Enterprises experimental tech?
We see a warehouse of tech but they only use tumblers. What villains use experimental tech that can be created from this movie alone?

Would you watch a movie starring JGL as Nightwing?
BooYah - 7/26/2012, 3:34 PM
This movie was excellent, I'm not sure if I like this or Avengers better. I'm actually a little disappointed not many people share the same feeling as me but oh well.(SPOILERS) I liked what they did with Miranda Tate I knew she was Talia but had no idea how they were going to break the news. Also the Bane loving her thing did anyone else just feel he loved her in a daughter or little sister sort of way after all he looked way older than her in the flashbacks. (SPOILER END)
goatmilk - 7/26/2012, 3:36 PM
The scene of Alfred saying'you are as dear to me as you were to your own mother and father' wasn't in the finalcut either
IgnurRant - 7/26/2012, 3:41 PM
Nolan often uses scenes not in the movie for his trailers.
nvision - 7/26/2012, 4:00 PM
@BooYah Yes that was one of the few problems with her revelation to Batman. She said Bane's only crime was loving me. Which I am really hoping they ment it in a daughter father figure type thing but then again how it was filmed seemed that he loved her more than that hope I am right about the father daughter thing. Because he knows her since she was a baby which is a little creepy if it was that he loved her in a more intiment scense.

Regardless if anyone thinks Talia was under developed or liked the way it panned out. I think most can agree it would've done more justice to the film if there was more of an emotional attachment created with Miranda and Bruce so the ending held more weight.

Lastly, >>>Spoiler Below<<<<

Marion is a good actress but there is such a silly scene that kinda took me out of the movie it's right after her vehicle takes a dip underground and she explaines that her father's work is done in more words with Selina present along with Gordon and Batman. I couldn't help but think there is a bomb ticking in the back of that truck why are you guys so calm listening to what she has to say like they had all the time in the world. Then when Talia is done talking there is a moment right after she is done talking which was some pretty bad acting on Marion part maybe just me but even the whole theatre started laughing because it was such a terrible and silly scene.
THABATMAN - 7/26/2012, 4:00 PM
I want to see a directors cut of this.
The movie had a few flaws, but the movie is still my favorite of the 3. Flaws like SPOILERS**************** Johnathan's "real name"
Miranda's change of character not having more scenes
Those are really my only major complaints
BIGBMH - 7/26/2012, 4:07 PM
I'm with CBMJamie, Talia was underdeveloped, as was the persona of Miranda. Those who say she wasn't are just in denial. Please take a moment to stop bowing down to Christopher Nolan and see things as they really are.
EarOne - 7/26/2012, 4:10 PM
agree w/ catwoman. mrEko..u miss the point. sure we can see bale's expression of betrayal, BUT..we didnt FEEL it as strongly as we should, since we didn't see much of their involvement as a really strong couple, on screen.

i think the love triangle really needs to be developed more for this whole betrayal and seeing bruce and selina at the end to really have stronger impacts on us, the audience.

for me marion/talia's sooooo unders-used..even MIS-used, that she ends up just becoming a forgettable bad bond girl, like elektra in the world is not enough or rosamund pike's character in die another day..which talia clearly is (and SHOULD be) more than that.
Ship - 7/26/2012, 4:15 PM
Just finished to see the movie, IMHO the 2012 best movie, it has EEEEVVVEEEERRRRYYYYYYTTTTTHIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNG, in other time i would say "Now I see everything I want it" but 2013 come with Man Of Steel so, a can wait to say that.
CBMJamie - 7/26/2012, 4:17 PM
@BIGBMH

In a way I see how for some it can be difficult to accept the movie's shortcomings. After all it is an incredible trilogy. But once the hype and initial wave of excitement surrounding the film subsides, people will see how her character was truly flawed.
BreakingBad - 7/26/2012, 4:25 PM
@CBMJaimie

Are you kidding me? Banes so called past was given a ton of time. Especially when Bruce was in the pit.

I'm just asserting whats there. Chill out and stop thinking I'm accusing you of anything.

I don't care how long they devote to it, as long as it makes sense. There is no time requirement for everyone to feel for a character. I saw the film and resonated with it. Sue me

Okay? What does using the word clunky have to do with anything. I can use it as much as I want? Well thanks Sherlock I didn't know human beings can only use certain words with your permission.

You're assuming that to sufficiently develop a character you NEED to focus A LOT of time on it. Time spent does not correlate to good character development. Good character development is perfectly doable in short time.

The only people who presumably know the identity of Ras Al Ghul are Bruce and the people close to him. During the 8 years, Bruce is a recluse not being involved in his company at all. With Bruces company in dire straits and a new rich woman there being the only option for it left, it makes sense. Also remember what Ras said in Batman Begins "Your talking about a system so corrupt, we were able to infiltrate all of its infrastructure". With Bruce in recluse, I don't imagine it'd be hard for a trained League of Shadows member to know how to hide her identity.

How long has she been in Gotham? Uh what did Alfred have for breakfast last Tuesday? Who the hell cares.

You don't give a character depth by describing where she was or what she did. You give a character depth by giving the audience insight INTO HER MIND, of her mindset.

You aren't supposed to feel a connection to her character. She isn't a tragic character. There was nothing in her character you were supposed to feel for. The character development provided for her wasn't meant for you to feel with her. It was meant for the audience to understand just how fierce Ras was. How Bruces actions cost him a ton of lives. Him being Batman, when it comes down to it cost all of whats happened to it. Nolan wants you to decide whether him being Batman caused more good than bad or vice versa. This calls back to Alfred saying he doesn't have to be Batman to do good.

If you were hesitant, you wouldn't have. People have very flawed opinions. THIS complaint however isn't flawed. Its perfectly legitimate as it depends on you. I'm simply explaining why I can't understand why you think this way. It definitely is rushed, but I wouldn't go so far as to say undeveloped.

Stop asserting "no way developed". You think your way, I'll think mine. And she doesn't make a few appearances, shes mentioned FREQUENTLY, and is in a ton of scenes. Her story isn't told in a few minutes, as its spread across the film (secretly as Banes story). Flashbacks yes, but I don't see whats wrong with that.



IgnurRant - 7/26/2012, 4:30 PM
Talia fleshed out as much as she needed to be. You actually learned alot about Talia, you just thought it was Bane.

Theatricality and Deception.

Bane was the theatrics. Talia was the deception.
Kalelxxx - 7/26/2012, 4:46 PM
I'm still trying to understand how you can be sitting on a nuclear bomb with 5 seconds left and find a way to clear the blast radius.
AlanWarlock - 7/26/2012, 4:48 PM
Talia was as "fleshed out" as Nolan could make her. He's never been good at female characters. He can tell a ripping yarn with occasional plot holes, but apart from Ledger as the Joker, you don't really get any strongly developed characters in any of Nolan's movies.
Feedback - 7/26/2012, 5:45 PM
@alanwarlock
So I guess Nolan's Selena Kyle wasn't a good female character either???
jonski22 - 7/26/2012, 5:46 PM
"under develop characters??"...the hell if they gonna do it... the film itself will be a trilogy....
MJPETTY7 - 7/26/2012, 5:52 PM
Did @grif just say he loved something? I may have a heart attack...
Geektality - 7/26/2012, 5:59 PM
Feels like padding!
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