Venom Movie to Feature "Defender of the Innocent"

Venom movie will feature an anti-hero instead of a brain-eater!

Variety reports that the movie will transform Venom into “an anti-hero who becomes a defender of the innocent.”

The news appears to confirm what many have been hoping for, that the 'Venom' movie will feature the '90s era comic book 'Venom' in which the character was cast a "Lethal Protector."

Since the new movie is starting “from the drawing board," it’s not certain whether Topher Grace will reprise his role as Venom’s alter-ego, Eddie Brock and whether the events of Spider-Man 3 will either be explained or ignored.

joshw24
10/8/2009
Variety

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152 Comments

	Ugh. TucsonRican - 10/8/2009, 12:09 PM
	Yeah we knew this, just like in the comics!!!!!! Yeah, i know ive really gotta update my PURCELL pic, but he's our man!! He is EDDIE BROCK! ; ) LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 12:11 PM
	Good stuff @ JOSH!! LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 12:11 PM
	I think this movie could end up being pretty good! I hope they dont ignore what happenned in Spider-Man 3 because however crap the storyline with Topher Grace was it would be even worse if they came up with some convoluted origin story in the spin off! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 12:12 PM
	Thanks LEE! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 12:13 PM
	I'd rather have him as he was - shooting that sludge from his chest to disolve the enemy then eats them! necrosage2005 - 10/8/2009, 12:14 PM
	This will indeed bomb. Sorry LEEE, i just can't see this fly. Movie goers know jack shit about Venom and all they had was that shit on a stick that Topher portrayed. Shaman - 10/8/2009, 12:14 PM
	needs to be developed a bit more in 4, then go out and decide how to use his powers, don't just throw him into his own franchise theeambassador - 10/8/2009, 12:16 PM
	Eddie should be played by Brock Lesnar! see more Lol Celebs necrosage2005 - 10/8/2009, 12:16 PM
	I am so sick of Venom. gtrman - 10/8/2009, 12:17 PM
	Your right @ JOSH @ Though we dont want GRACE, We want PURCELLL!!! ; ) SHAMAN @ If movie goers paid to watch BORIGINS they will luv a real MARVEL movie!! This will be amazing!! VENOM VS CARNAGE a must!!! [frick] SPIDEY! ; D LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 12:17 PM
	Yeah, I'm with Shaman here. As much as I like Venom, this is a just a sad attempt to milk more money off the perverbial teet that is Spiderman. Even if they make him an "anti-hero," the last protrayal left such a bad taste from the formentioned Spidey teet. ecksmanfan - 10/8/2009, 12:19 PM
	That G4 interview with Brian Michael Bendis said that he and a few other select writer were being consulted about the direction of the movies. If they had the right people working on and in this movie (not Topher Grace) it could easily be highly entertaining. I think that if Fox was smart they would draw heavily from the Ultimate Spider-man universe, that comic series is one of the best I have ever read. KelRaeMora - 10/8/2009, 12:24 PM
	Im not sick of venom i want venom DONE RIGHT that is. If only we had a Time machine....so many things would have gone right in the world of comics...damn Set2Fallfirst - 10/8/2009, 12:24 PM
	FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL! What a clusterfck MultiPurposePoni* - 10/8/2009, 12:25 PM
	I don't think this movie will see the light of day thwhtGuardian - 10/8/2009, 12:26 PM
	As for VENOM, WE ALL WANNA SEE THIS = Any red-blooded male, not wanting a VENOM movie has gotta be batting the other way!! ; D LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 12:28 PM
	LEE: Too right - Purcell is perfect for Eddie Brock! They may have already been i a TV show together but these guys are perfect for Venom and Carnage! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 12:31 PM
	I would go see that. thunderforce - 10/8/2009, 12:34 PM
	The only way this will ever work is if they go for the R rating, and then begs the question what about the non hardcore fans? Marvel already went on the record about R ratings so what's left, a watered down Venom movie. Why bother? ASSASSIN666 - 10/8/2009, 12:37 PM
	And if they are smart they could have a cameo of venom to help spiderman in a later spiderman movie thunderforce - 10/8/2009, 12:37 PM
	like anti-venom!! peterparker420 - 10/8/2009, 12:37 PM
	I think more folks want to Spider-Man vs Carnage Or Spider-Man/Venom Vs Carnage Than just Venom Vs Carnage. R rated comic movie don't make their budget. Plus I don't think Venom could carry movie by himself. SpideyFan1982 - 10/8/2009, 12:39 PM
	Anti-Venom is pretty cool! Anyone else been reading the characters new mini series? joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 12:40 PM
	JOSH @ HELL YEAH!!! PP @ Too early for ANTI-VENOM man! ; D LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 12:41 PM
	I'm starting to actually look forward to this if they do it right, and Venom as an anti-hero would be good. Bandrews1 - 10/8/2009, 12:48 PM
	Sorry Josh, but you're completely wrong if you think that they shouldn't ignore the events of "Spider-Trash 3." That movie was F'ing horrible-- and I liked the first 2-- and it did no justice to Venom. If you think that it shouldn't be ignored then I'm willing to bet (no offense intended, I'm saying this seriously) that you were a young kid when Venom debuted. I say this because I find that most people who are ok with what "Spider-Man 3" did to Venom didn't read him as he was coming out but read the majority of his stories later. I literally got every comic with even a one-page cameo of Venom the day they'd hit the newsstands. It's one thing to look back after not reading him month after month. It's a whole different thing counting down the seconds until the next issue would be released and being obsessed with a character and every aspect of them. And YES, physique AND attitude were just as important to Venom as the symbiote was. I know it might sound stupid but it's true and I say this because if this is how someone follows a character they don't have as much invested mentally in the character if they are someone who just picks up a couple GNs and reads 4 years worth of appearances in 2 hours. That being said, not only do they need to ignore the events in "Spider-Man 3," but they also need to issue a recall on all DVDs in circulation, delete it from existence and re-shoot the whole thing. (And I didn't even get into Mary Jane's operatic adventures!) Back to topic, though, this is great news and LEEE, I've been all for your casting choices since you first suggested them forever ago. I think this movie COULD be awesome. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 1:03 PM
	I really wish they'd back out of this decision. This movie will suck. BmanHall - 10/8/2009, 1:07 PM
	Jesus, how is this movie gonna work after Spidey 3? You know what, I don't care, just cast a bulky dude and its sold for me. Oh, and for the true blue Venom fans, "Lethal Protector" is pure gold. Hands down. BryEL - 10/8/2009, 1:25 PM
	LEEE - Your suggestions for Venom & Carnage are great choices! I've never even thought of Knepper for Carnage. I always pictured Steve Buscemi (from Con-Air) as Carnage, but I think I'd like Knepper even better! As for Venom being a lethal protector of the innocent. That's how I always thought of him. I mean, Venom sees himself as an innocent person, and blames Spider-Man for his shortcomings. So it's not that he's this villain, just that he sees Spidey as one. I think seeing the stuggle Eddie Brock has with the symbiote would be great for a movie. They just need to get a new actor, because Topher Grace (the guy is great & that 70's show, but c'mon, Venom??)was not good for the role and the whole story surrounding Venom for Spidey 3 SUCKED. I'll be looking forward to seeing how this turns out. Runefyst - 10/8/2009, 1:28 PM
	it will work. people have short memories. maybe not fanboys, but the general public do. and dont forget spiderman 3 made the most out of the trilogy so maybe we hated it but the general public did not. therefore regardless of how they ass raped venom in out minds. for the rest of the public there ok with it. superdog - 10/8/2009, 1:29 PM
	BryEL, that is why I said Lesnar should be Eddie. He is blond, muscular, and was an actor on WWF/E. I know who Purcell is, but not the other guy. Doesn't really look like a good Carnage to me, though. necrosage2005 - 10/8/2009, 1:30 PM
	Leee@, great casting, Purcell and Knepper would be phenomenal together as Venom and Carnage! I'd see this movie even if it was PG-13! DDD - 10/8/2009, 1:31 PM
	there's more of a chance of Topher being cast than there is of Purcell......That big stupid douche can't act worth a sh!t. Sure he looks big - but it's not like he's going to be wearing a rubber Venom suit. The villian in this movie WILL be Carnage - there's no other possibility - and that dude up above who you guys want to play Carnage? Not gonna happen either. He's too old. Cassidy has to be younger - and that guy isn't that good of an actor either. He played a bad guy in Hitman for christ's sake. Keven - 10/8/2009, 1:32 PM
	Keven, they don't necessarily need to use Carnage OR have Spider-Man. As I've suggested on here before, they could do a movie that is similar to the "Lethal Protector" mini-series and just remove Spider-Man's role from it as it wasn't necessary to the story working so it could be done. As for Eddie Brock Lesnar, sorry folks, that ain't gonna happen. I'm not saying that it's a bad choice (I actually thought of it long before "Spider-Man 3" came out), the fact is that he's obsessed with being the best MMA fighter that he can possibly be. Supposedly he is OBSESSED. Oh, and that's all assuming that he can actually act. Either way, it's not happening. Not a bad choice, but not happening. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 1:38 PM
	Keven - Out've curiosity, who would YOU cast for Venom & Carnage? Runefyst - 10/8/2009, 1:41 PM
	lol - yeah man - I didn't bother addressing Brock Lesnar, the dude's a big stupid psycho. Guy's World Champ right now in UFC too - he won't do interviews or press conferences, let alone a movie. But Metalhead - I'd be shocked if Carnage wasn't in this thing - if they're doing a harder edged movie they'd have to use Carnage....He needs someone to fight - and it won't just be criminals - there'd be zero challenge for Venom. Keven - 10/8/2009, 1:42 PM
	The only one that has the face and body to play Eddie is: Look at the SIZE of this behemoth. You wouldn't need THAT much CGI or padding to make him into VENOM. His acting can't be THAT much worse than some of the other actors that are currently in Hollywood. Just give him a few acting classes and he should be better. Plus, its Brock Lesnar, so he can do his own stunts from his old WWF days. necrosage2005 - 10/8/2009, 1:47 PM
	Knepper is a superb choice for Cletus Kasady. Purcell for Eddie Brock? Not so much... BmanHall - 10/8/2009, 1:49 PM
	I will say that Brock Lesner LOOKS the part, but I doubt he'd have the acting chops to play a convincing Venom. Runefyst - 10/8/2009, 1:51 PM
	Keven, I'm not opposed to Carnage, I just don't think he's necessary. They could actually make a really cool movie that's similar to "Lethal Protector" with The Jury out hunting Venom to avenge the death of their friend (the guard Venom killed when escaping The Vault) and with the agency that is hunting him wanting his symbiote. For those that don't know, that mini-series was the debut of the 5 other symbiotes Scream, Phage, Riot, Lasher, and Agony. They could actually end the movie with that being the climax and the final battle. As for Venom fighting Carnage, I personally think it would be cooler IF this movie is a success and then they did a sequel called "Venom vs. Carnage." If done right it could be badass. (Then again, what, if done right, couldn't be badass?) MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 1:53 PM
	necrosage2005, Seriously, get over it-- it ain't happening. We get it, he looks like him. This is not breaking news. Speaking of "breaking news," I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you. Again, it would be cool IF it happened, but it's not gonna. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 1:56 PM
	@necrosage, Dude. Brock Lesnar shouldn't even play Brock Lesnar lol JohnnyKrypton - 10/8/2009, 1:59 PM
	MetalHead, NOPE! I refuse! :D ;) Lesnar looks more like than Putridcell EVER will. necrosage2005 - 10/8/2009, 2:00 PM
	This film will do just as good as Spawn and Ghost Rider. I'll be happy watching it, but i really don't know how much money it will pull. And if Lesnar was starring as the main role, it would go straight to BETA!!! Shaman - 10/8/2009, 2:02 PM
	MetalHead: Sorry man, but you're wrong! I hated Spider-Man 3 and everything about it! My first introduction to Venom was when I was a kid in the 90's watching the animated Spider-Man series and he's pretty much been my favourite character ever since! I've since read the graphic novels etc as well as many other of the characters appearences but you point about that making someone less invested in the character is nonsense - I've just watched Dexter Season 1 & 2 in a week having never seen it efore and just because I didnt have to wait a week between episodes doesnt mean I dont understand the character any less than someone who watched it weekly! Just because I never waited with anticipation between every issue of Venom doesnt mean you know any more about the character than I do! And if you had read my coment properly my point was that they shouldnt go through a confusing origin when they could slightly retcon the events of Spider-Man 3 and then maybe even bring the character back into the franchise at a later date. Oh and actually it was ME who first suggested casting Purcell and Knepper! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 2:03 PM
	@keven@ yeah and he was also in Prison Break and his character is loved by millions, he is also in Heroes season 4. Also Hitman was a decent movie closer to the source material then most video game movies. Osiris - 10/8/2009, 2:03 PM
	Josh, I'm not trying to get into an argument with you here, I am just making a point. First off, your Dexter reference is exactly my point. You are mistaken. I'm not saying that you don't like it as much as someone else. But what I am saying is that you never had to wait for (in this case) a week, or 10,020 minutes-- which seem like 10 times that many-- to see what was going to happen next. And yes, this DOES matter. The reason is that when you have to wait to see what happens next and doing so consumes your every thought until you do actually find out for sure, it makes you get inside the character's mind and see what might happen. This is something that someone watching a series in 2 days as opposed to over 3 months can not and will never be able to understand. So yes, it does make it different. The same is true waiting 30 days to see what would happen in the next issue. As for your reference to Venom in the animated series, that show was HORRIBLE to Venom. AND, it came out long after Venom debuted, so you only prove exactly what I suspected-- you weren't introduced to him the way that others who read him from day one were and therefore "your" Venom isn't the same as "mine" because what I consider to be definitive Venom isn't what your introduction to him was. Again, I'm not trying to argue with you. What I'm saying is that it's not the same and it's not. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 2:11 PM
	Multi: Reading you 5x5. MONGOLIAN Cluster-Copulation of EPIC proportions!!! What an utterly STUPID concept. Venom is nothing without Spiderman, and no matter how horrid parts of Spiderman III were, I did like the Venom angle (except for Piano Playin' Parker cum Tony "Saturday Night Fever" Montero cum Wife Beater crap). Venom should be part of Spider-Man IV, and do justice to it in order to set some of the drawbacks to Spidey III straight. Like I said in another thread, I would see an Aunt May stand-alone movie before wanting to see a Venom all-by-hissef movie. And, if they want to venture into the world of the "anti-hero", I gots three words for them: ELRIC OF MELNIBONE! 'Nuff Said! bropous - 10/8/2009, 2:11 PM
	MetalHead: See, I dont see what you're saying at all! I watch plenty of TV shows on a week by week basis (House, Bones, 24, Smallville, Supernatural) but I enjoy them even more when I re watch them on DVD rather than having to wait! Just because this type of thing "consumes your every thought" doesnt mean it does mine! The season 4 finale of Supernatural for example was a huge cliffhanger - I thought about it for half a day, got on with my life and quietly lookied forward to Season 5 - had I watched the first episode of S5 10mins later (as I've done with dexter for example) it would make no difference to my understanding or feelings towards the character! If both you and I were to pick up two comic books today and i read both at once whilst you waited a week between, that wouldnt mean you had any better understanding or knowledge of the character! Your point s completely nonsensical to me! I understand that someone who follows a character for years become invested in that character but so does some one reading years of stuff in a few days! You're still reading/watching the same thing....at a different pace! And though that was my first introduction to the character I've seen enough since to know who and what Venom is! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 2:19 PM
	If we find out Grace is attached to this project, we can probably look for it to have a decent script. Spider-man 3 aside, he's a serious actor and is finicky about the projects he picks. (Personally, I'm still disappointed he wasn't cast as Peter Parker.) This is one of those projects that could go either way. It has potential if it's handled the right way, but they may find out via marketing research that it's not likely to be as a big a money-maker as some of their other properties and shelve it before it gets too far along. Velox - 10/8/2009, 2:20 PM
	Who would I cast as Venom/Carnage? Venom/Brock = Michael Fassbender Carnage/Kassidy = Ben Foster or Cillian Murphy Keven - 10/8/2009, 2:20 PM
	Josh, A little more on the Dexter reference: my point there is that there is a huge aspect that you miss by watching a show all at once, and that is the cliffhanger. That is how shows AND comic books are written and by watching one episode immediately after another, you are missing out on a major part of the writing. I'm not saying that you didn't enjoy it. What I am saying is that so much is missed. By doing that you don't have to spend an entire week or month racking your brain trying to figure out what happens next and look at it from all angles. Sure, you may be able to guess but the amount of thinking done over 2 minutes versus the amount done waiting for the next issue or episode is significantly different. A great example of this is my all-time favorite show, The Shield. I was lucky enough to catch it right from the first episode. This show was made to leave you at the edge of your seat as the episodes would come to an end right from literally the first episode. Often times they'd have a major reveal and then you'd have to wait THREE WEEKS-- let alone one-- and you would go insane thinking about it for every minute until it came. I'll never forget watching the season 5 finale not being able to sit down the entire time, seeing the MAJOR cliffhanger ending, and then having to wait A YEAR AND 3 MONTHS to see the next episode! It was the worst torture. The point of all this is that although the torture was absolutely miserable, it made me think about every angle and aspect of every single character and how it would effect them for an entire year and a half. This is something that is missed by people who watch all the episodes back-to-back, and even those friends of mine who I have gotten into it after the fact have felt the torture after only having to wait until after work to watch another episode, let alone having to wait weeks or months. So, yes, it does change the way you view a character. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 2:23 PM
	And my point is that you are not forced to get into the characters' heads IF you are immediately shown what happens next. You don't have to ask yourself "would this character do this?" and really get inside the character and know them, you only know what you see with your own 2 eyes as opposed to seeing things through theirs and therefore being able to know what will happen before it actually does, allowing you to not only see it happen, but to understand why it did. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 2:27 PM
	@Keven@ I would rather see Ben Foster or Cillian Murphy I do like Murphy but not for Kassidy, but my vote is still for Knepper. Osiris - 10/8/2009, 2:28 PM
	Knepper IS TOO OLD. We need young talent in this thing. And don't tell me that Fassbender isn't a d@mn wicked choice - the guy's godd@Mn amazing. Keven - 10/8/2009, 2:30 PM
	SirPrize - 10/8/2009, 2:35 PM
	Josh, Oh, and for the record, Venom's first appearance in the Spider-Man animated series was May 13th, 1995. His first appearance as Venom was April 1988. So the point is that you DID read all of what is considered to be "definitive Venom" after the fact, like I predicted. And "definitive Venom" is his debut, his first several encounters with Spider-Man, his time at Ryker's Island, the debut of Carnage, the first couple mini-serieses, and "Maximum Carnage," all of which occurred between April 1988- August 1993, 2 years prior to his appearance in the animated series. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 2:36 PM
	WHHHHHHHYYYYYYY Venom can't get a spin-off put him and Carnage in Spider-Man 4 Jackasses MrAnonymous - 10/8/2009, 2:42 PM
	@SirPrize - god that is the funniest thing in the history of funny Keven - 10/8/2009, 2:42 PM
	i cant stand how venom was in spider-man 3. if he is to be wat he was, then i loose interest in these movies. ross better do a good spidey 4 script and venom script... it shud be robert knepped to play venom kyle dalton - 10/8/2009, 2:48 PM
	You're whole arguement is a classic elitist point of view, not saying that as an attack man you have some validity but it's just a little demeaning to say your point of view is better because you were there from the start. To me the cartoon was a fairly accurate portrayal of Venom, much better than the movie. And as Josh pointed out he doesn't like venom in s3 either, he's just pointing that from a franchise position you can't just ignore what came before hand unless you want the audience to be really confused. There needs to be a sense of continuity, and your suggestion about stopping the distribution of spiderman 3 was ludicrous, you can't go forward without addressing it. thwhtGuardian - 10/8/2009, 2:52 PM
	Keven - I was laughing so damn hard I could barely copy and paste it. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SirPrize - 10/8/2009, 2:53 PM
	MetalHead: I think you make a fair point there - i agree that the waiting adds to the experience who hates the waiting but as an impatient person I dont think I'll ever be able to agree with you, lol! From my own personal experience when comapring shows that Ive had to wait to see the next week and show Ive watched right away online or on DVD I dont see a difference but i guess we're all different which from my own point of view means i just dont see the difference! As for Venom, once again - just because i read them after the fact still doesnt make a difference to me! We're just going to have to agree to disagree to be honest because you overall point really is lost on me - if i had never read or watched anything on a week by week or monthly basis then Id maybe see what you're saying but i have and i feel no more "in" Spider-Man's head for example now reading his titles weekly than i do when i read all of JMS's run in tpb's in one go a few years back! :( Keven: No way man - Fassbender should play Captain Britain!!! Though to be fair you are right about Knepper - he might just be a bit too old for Carnage unfortunately! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 2:56 PM
	thwhtknight: "You're whole arguement is a classic elitist point of view, not saying that as an attack man you have some validity but it's just a little demeaning to say your point of view is better because you were there from the start." Man, you just managed to say my point better than I did in all of my above comments! And I agree - looking back, I actually think that Venom's portraylal in the animated series was very good (and what we should have seen in Spider-Man 3 - or at least something similar!) :) joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 2:59 PM
	are there more villians they can choose from for the movie? SHHH - 10/8/2009, 3:06 PM
	RUNEFYST @ I agree with everything you said man, an BUSCEMI quality actor, im sure we can find a quality MARVEL role for him, though i gotta admit, good stuff, he'd make a good CARNAGE too dude!! DDD @ ; ) NECRO @ Who the hell is that MEAT HEAD??? I mean im all for WWE Wrestlers in minor roles in CB movies bot not major ones like VENOM dude, can he even act, even a lil?? Anyways VENOM VS CARNAGE a must!!! LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 3:07 PM
	Robert Knepper is not too old to play carnage! I smell age discrimination here! Not every character can be 90210, Geez! Purcell is an all right actor! He was good on Prison Break! No one can say he's gonna be bad in everything! Lesner may be enormous but he's a mental midget! Ple-e-ease! He could never, in a million years, play anybody in any movie! DDD - 10/8/2009, 3:10 PM
	Josh, As I said from the start, I wasn't trying to argue with you. Another classic example is people who watch "24" start-to-finish on DVD when it was MADE for the suspense. Anyway, you're right-- it is something that you just can't know about if you never experienced it. From my point of view, I can totally imagine how different The Shield would have been for me if I didn't have to wait between episodes. thwhtknight, If you think that Venom was accurately portrayed in the animated series then you're ignorant on the subject. Period. They portrayed Eddie Brock to be a douche bag. But Josh, IF that was how he was portrayed in "Spider-Man 3" then I'd be thrilled because it was a billion times better than [I don't even want to say "Eric Forman's" name] was. Oh, and one more thing thwhtknight: learn to detect sarcasm. Obviously I'm well aware that they aren't going to issue a recall on all "Spider-Man 3" DVDs. If I was God for a day, however, they would. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 3:13 PM
	Josh@, sorry I didn't know you were the one who thought of Purcell for venom and Knepper for Carnage first! I thought of Knepper for Carnage as soon as I saw him on Prison Break, it just struck me, like Misha Collins for Daredevil, but I never said anything about it on here. Great pictures Leee@, they illustrate Purcell and Knepper for the parts, beautifully! DDD - 10/8/2009, 3:17 PM
	venom vs carnage..without spider-man, no way! that will never work! unless there doing the story like the above comic, where the symbiots combine and spawn..TOXIN but i don't think you're average "movie go-er" will even know who toxin is. So they have to incorperate either (venom vs carnage vs spider-man) or this story venom vs carnage and the hero(anti-hero) is toxin peterparker420 - 10/8/2009, 3:19 PM
	MetalHead: Thats just it - personally I've never experienced that having a week to wait and wonder whats going to happen next (Prison Break being a good example of that type of show) has made me know any more about the characters! Sure, I think a lot about what the characters are going to do etc but whether theres a weeks difference or 20mins, it doesnt make too much of a difference to me! But as i said above we're all different and im also not trying to get into a n argument with you! :) joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 3:19 PM
	DDD: Hey man, I may be wrong! I think there may have been a few of us who suggested Purcell a while ago (i actualy dont think i was the first to suggest Knepper now i think about it...) but from memory i think i may have been the first to have suggested the actors (or at least Purcell) for the first time in a Fan Cast or whatever! :D Talking of your brilliant Mish Collins idea, Im currently working on the results article of my DD poll so keep an eye out for that! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 3:24 PM
	thwhtknight, One more thing-- in regards to your "Your whole arguement is a classic elitist point of view, not saying that as an attack man you have some validity but it's just a little demeaning to say your point of view is better because you were there from the start" comment: I can understand why you say this. BUT I also think that those of us who were there from the start-- whether it was being at Metallica's first club show or buying 'The Amazing Spider-Man' #300 the day it came out-- do have a right to have the "classic elitist point of view" because it is partly due to our loyalty and purchasing (in this specific example) the comic books which guaranteed more sales in the future and also allowing the funds to continue to bring us these characters. And had it not been for that-- for example, if we weren't buying comics with Venom and he was a bust of a character-- then you wouldn't have had the chance to find him in the animated series to begin with. You said you weren't attacking me and I'm not attacking you either. I'm trying to show my side that I was following and supporting the character from day one so I do have a lot more invested in him. And that's not meant to be a knock on people who weren't there from day one, it's just fact. No insult intended. I'm sure everyone here found something before it gained more popularity and can relate to my stance on this subject. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 3:24 PM
	PP @ SONY has already said that there will be NO SPIDEY!! He's in SPIDEY 4!! In SPIDEY 3, VENOM exploded!! In reckon maybe he reappears off WORLD OR SOME KINDA DIMENSION or even another part of the World! I for one am glad theres no SPIDEY, they can get away with alot more an not dumb it down for kids! A VENOM movie is the best news ever, maybe we'll get a real VENOM instead of that crap in SPIDEY 3!! LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 3:28 PM
	DDD @ THANX MAN!!! LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 3:29 PM
	LEE: Yeah, those are two really good pics man! Just as Keven made me think Knepper was too old for the role, you've now convinced me he's perfect!! :) joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 3:34 PM
	I'm with you LEEE. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 3:34 PM
	Purcell was god aweful as Dracula in Blade Trinity.....the guy was void of talent and charisma so no to him as for the Lasner...Lusner...the neck guy...i couldnt take him seriously as a photo journalist..lol teabag - 10/8/2009, 3:36 PM
	sorry man - there won't be a Capt. Britain movie - ever. lol....He'd be lucky to make it as a cameo character anywhere - not gonna happen. Fassbender likes playing darker roles too - he wouldn't want to play someone called CAPTAIN BRITAIN. And yes - Knepper is too old. You can google a pic of young Knepper and put it in here - but he's too old. You need young and crazy not old and creepy... Keven - 10/8/2009, 3:42 PM
	Yeah, there's no bad blood metalhead, like I said you have some valid points. It's an opinion thing like you said, personally I don't think I have any greater insight into hellboy or sin city just because I got a copy of san diego comic-con comics issue 2 back in '93. It was my first ever comic con, my dad took me I think I was just about to turn 7and I've loved hellboy and sin city ever since but I don't think it makes my love of them any stronger than the countless millions who have fallen in love with those character since the movies came out. In my opinion we're all equal as fans whether we've been there all along or you've just jumped aboard because you saw the movie or thought the tpb looked cool at borders. thwhtGuardian - 10/8/2009, 3:45 PM
	Keven: That hurts man! :( Seriosuly though, there have been rumours of a Captain Britain movie starring Gerard Butler so Im holding out hope we'll see the character on the big screen someday even though I cant see it happenning anytime soon. Have you seen Fassbender in Eden Lake? He's awesome in that movie! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 3:53 PM
	Do we really want to see a Venom movie without Spider-Man? I'd be fine with them forgetting about Venom until they re-boot the franchise. Maybe by then Marvel will get the rights to SM back. MultiPurposePoni - 10/8/2009, 4:01 PM
	Keven@ how dare you say there will be no Captain Britain........stop speaking my language now and spell your name right godamnit....lol :P teabag - 10/8/2009, 4:02 PM
	MULTI: I also think that Marvel getting the Spider-Man rights back would be the best way to bring back Venom but if Sony are determined to make this spin-off then they should at least have a Spider-Man cameo! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 4:12 PM
	@Poni: I'm with you on that. Plus I'd really like to see Spidey be a part of this shared movie universe they're creating. Velox - 10/8/2009, 4:13 PM
	Its weird how Spidey is basicly the embassador of the Marvel Universe but he cant actualy take part on screen...life sucks :P teabag - 10/8/2009, 4:18 PM
	@teabag: At least she swallow from time to time MultiPurposePoni - 10/8/2009, 4:21 PM
	Multi@ il leave a tip if she garggles :P teabag - 10/8/2009, 4:28 PM
	Best news ive heard all week... should be a great film. venom vs Carnage all the way... Steelix - 10/8/2009, 4:28 PM
	@Tea: Nah, use the $ for cab fair. MultiPurposePoni - 10/8/2009, 4:30 PM
	brock could play venom but not edie thedarkknight666 - 10/8/2009, 4:30 PM
	@LEE: The news just gets better and better man. Steelix - 10/8/2009, 4:30 PM
	I really don't know about this one. Venom has potential and is a good character, but there is a lot to worry about with this movie, so I can't say whether I'm excited for it or not. InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/8/2009, 4:37 PM
	I would like to see Marvel get the rights back to Spider-Man or at least a new director! We need less this... ...and a lot more this!!! joshw24 - 10/8/2009, 4:38 PM
	Multi@ Lets be civilised...you mean £ ..lol :P teabag - 10/8/2009, 4:39 PM
	@teabag: Forgive me for being crass, I wasn't aware of the 'post-bj, cab fare etiquette'. Usually I just walk home whistling a happy tune MultiPurposePoni - 10/8/2009, 4:44 PM
	Multi@ thats the differance between cultures...here we pass over the fiver wipe our genetiles with our hancky tip our hat to the good lady then we take a brisk walk home swinging our umbrella's..:P teabag - 10/8/2009, 4:48 PM
	LOL. Joshw24! SupermanReturns2 - 10/8/2009, 4:50 PM
	topher for venom. or get multi hero reynolds. InFamouslyCool - 10/8/2009, 4:57 PM
	I don't think we need this movie. Venom doesn't need or deserve his own movie yet. Let him have more appearances, then they should think about letting him go solo. He should become the anti-hero and protector of the little people before he gets his own movie. But I would like to see some Venom versus Carnage...that would be epic! RolandOfGilead - 10/8/2009, 5:11 PM
	InFamous@ yeah he screams venom.....lol teabag - 10/8/2009, 5:12 PM
	Yeah...all 90 pounds of him. LOL. RolandOfGilead - 10/8/2009, 5:21 PM
	He was born to pla...a..ahahahahahahah sorry couldnt finish..:D teabag - 10/8/2009, 5:23 PM
	LOL @ teabag. Yeah, but you know that five or six months in the gym would fix that. Toby wasn't exactly buff in the last two movies either. In fact, he looked like a bag of bones in SM3. Velox - 10/8/2009, 5:24 PM
	funny, Sam Raimi thought the same thing. LOL InFamouslyCool - 10/8/2009, 5:25 PM
	Velox@ yeah but Venom is supposed to have a more imposing physical presence than spidey and Tophoo couldnt to that,,lol teabag - 10/8/2009, 5:29 PM
	stop the search! cant lose with a little Lovin. InFamouslyCool - 10/8/2009, 5:51 PM
	@teabag: Realistically he probably could. If Micky Rourke can get in 'The Wrestler' condition at 57 years old then anythings possible. And I'm not lobbying for the guy, because I still don't think this thing will get made. I'm just making a point about bodybuilding. Velox - 10/8/2009, 5:55 PM
	Velox@ yeah and were talking about a profesional boxer with Rourke, he was bigger than Tophoo to begin with...i know some people can bulk up but he will never have that physical presence....there are people that gane muscle and there are people that gain muscle mass, il put tophoo in the muscle cat..bless him lol :P teabag - 10/8/2009, 6:04 PM
	Well you have to have the frame to do so. Topher has the same frame as my little sister's Ken doll. Some people just don't have the genetics to be big just like some people are destined to be short. I still would love to know (a) who is the clown who said "I got it: for Venom... Topher Grace!" and (b) who the other clowns at the table with him were that said in unison "Topher Grace?... That sounds... BRILLIANT!" It's so bad that I can't even come up with a wise-ass remark for it. MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 6:44 PM
	Velox has a point actually. You can build muscle at any age but the younger you are the easier it is because of hormonal support. So with the right trainer and the right nutrition even a DORK like Grace could bulk up. it would take time though. But the Rourke comparison is a bad one anyway because he was a bodybuilder for many years before The Wrestler. One of the few movies he actually did while he was down and out was this indy prison flick. It probably came out in the '90's sometime and he was hugely built in that one too. DarthMulder - 10/8/2009, 7:25 PM
	@metalhead: On a large frame the muscle is spread out longer so it shows less. So a bodybuilder that is 6'3" can be every bit as strong as a shorter guy, but it just won't look like it. I hated the idea of Grace for Brock, but he did an ok job really. DarthMulder - 10/8/2009, 7:30 PM
	I think it would re-envigorate the sci-fi horror genre if they would use the scary iconic characters like Venom in on screen situations where there are no Super-Heroes to the rescue. However I think a Venom movie with Venom as an anti-hero PG-13 or something would suck badly. Acerimmer1 - 10/8/2009, 7:43 PM
	DarthMulder, You are right that Grace (or anyone else with a similar frame to his) can be strong. However, it is hard for someone like him to seriously bulk up because he would need to add ridiculous mass, which is the hardest thing to do. And no matter how much he adds, his frame is and will always be small across his chest (from shoulder to shoulder). There's just nothing that he can do about it. He can add some weight and he can get bigger, but he just doesn't have the genetics to ever be even the size as someone like Mickey Rourke. Ok, that's enough talking about him UNLESS it's in regards to "That 70's Show." MetalHead - 10/8/2009, 8:04 PM
	agreed metalhead, he was good in that 70's show and sadly that is all I'll ever see in him thwhtGuardian - 10/8/2009, 8:07 PM
	I love Grace as an actor, loved That 70's Show, and loved his cameos in Ocean's 11/12. And, surprisingly, I liked him in SM 3. Awful movie, but he kept me interested and was a bright spot in an otherwise bad film. He did the best with what he had. InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/8/2009, 8:25 PM
	Hey, i got one word for yall who dont believe in the movie: ASSHATS :D Fartman - 10/8/2009, 8:49 PM
	lol @ Fartman I bet most of us asshats will end up seeing the movie even if we think it's a dumb idea ;)lol DarthMulder - 10/8/2009, 8:57 PM
	Everyone, FYI, I just revamped the main Members/Account area to clean it up AND added the ability to see all of the articles you've commented on (along with a link) as well as a quick link to articles/posts you've contributed (with a link). Let me know what you guys think via the Contact page (webmaster option)! Nathan Best - 10/8/2009, 9:48 PM
	I guess I'm an asshat, I don't know if a venom movie would fly...not one that I would want to see anyway, it would have to be uber violent to be true to the character and I think the studios know that turns off the average movie goer. So we'd in all likelyhood see just another bastardized version of venom. thwhtGuardian - 10/8/2009, 10:52 PM
	GRACE is a SH!TE actor like darth vader jnr in STAR WARS Episode 2 & 3 , Damn, total bad! GRACE wouldnt even make a good baby VENOM! hE WAS THE WORST SPOT IN spidey 3 TYLER?? LMAO @ COOL! : D LEEE777 - 10/8/2009, 11:09 PM
	Steve-o as Carnage. Though you can't really tell now. Ultrapilotray - 10/9/2009, 4:18 AM
	No, he was far from the worst part. Grace is a very talented actor, Traffic, P.S., In Good Company, etc. I'm guessing you probably haven't seen any of those. He was one of the best parts of the movie. The fact that you say he's worse than street dancing, emo Tobey, and Kirsten Dunst really says a lot about your tastes, and not in a good way. InTylerWeTrust82 - 10/9/2009, 4:31 AM
	however now that I think about, Matthew Lillard would be perfect. Watch Thirteen Ghosts and SLC Punks and you will see he's an excellent actor. Ultrapilotray - 10/9/2009, 5:14 AM
	i can't believe you guys want brock lesner to play eddie brock. looks don't make a good actor. megan fox anyone?? if that were the case then why don't we have john cena play cap? visually, he's got the body to play cap, actually i think physically he would be an excellent choice. unfortunately my shoe has more acting talen than him, so i don't want cena playing cap. the same goes for lesner, yes he looks like eddie brock (not his face so much) but my god, its a movie, if you pick a bad actor, then your ruining the movie before it even gets one scene shot. CorndogBurglar - 10/9/2009, 5:30 AM
	@ thwhtknight you're not an asshat man, lol. i don't think a venom movie is a good idea either, and i know all about his lethal protector past, and i AM a venom fan. i've just always thought he was more interesting as a villain. and i even like mac gargan as venom, because he's so much more brutal now. CorndogBurglar - 10/9/2009, 5:33 AM
	TYLER @ Its your tastes lol! GRACE was a [frick]ing crap VENOM dude!!!! He cant [frick]ing ACT he was useless, and ruined VENOM!! I know the EMO dancing was sh!Te but so was he and you said he was the BEST thing in SPIDEY 3 an he aint, tells us about your tastes dude! ; D SANDMAN by far was the best thing in that movie, GRACE should never of been in there in the first place, period!! He sucked donkey ballz, he's a plank!! LEEE777 - 10/9/2009, 6:12 AM
	Ultra @ cool pic!! LEEE777 - 10/9/2009, 6:13 AM
	Matthew Lillard is the worst actor ever to appear on the big screen. I have no idea how he ever got a break. The guy overacts even more than Jim Carrey if that's even possible (maybe since he has no acting skills what so ever, it actually looks worse than Carrey who is an excellent actor). Oh and he drools even more than [frick]ing Beethoven, and i'm not talking about the dead musician! He's a disgrace to all actors in the industry and shouldn't ever be hired again even if it's to portray a retard. Well no, i do have a heart... let'em be Shaggy even if he gets eclipsed by a CGI'd Scooby. Lillard is in the dictionary under ASSHAT. Shaman - 10/9/2009, 6:17 AM
	but even as a hero, venom STILL killed criminals pretty brutally CorndogBurglar - 10/9/2009, 6:31 AM
	yep that's right. In lethal enforcer that's what he did. Wasted every crook he could get his hands on. @ Shaman: man that was harsh.. DROOLS MORE THAN BEETHOVEN?? lololololol DarthMulder - 10/9/2009, 6:57 AM
	Venom has a twisted perspective of what is innicens ......he could kill someone who didnt need to so i still think whilst he is cool in the comics it a bad idea for the solo movie..... oh and i hate Droolers......lol teabag - 10/9/2009, 8:01 AM
	@teabag: The problem as I see it is that an anti-hero still has to be somewhat likable. Jackman manages it with Wolverine, and Jane pulled it off with The Punisher, but that's because you had empathy for the characters. I'm not sure I get what's likable about Venom. He's cool, but there has to be something more than that. Velox - 10/9/2009, 8:24 AM
	@ Velox: Why? Why does an anti hero have to be likeable? An anti hero can be the most distasteful scumbag in the world, and yet they do something noble. I could see them making a movie about the real Venom from the books, but we all know from the getgo that that ins't going to happen.. They'll nerf it up and make it into Sider - Man with teeth. DarthMulder - 10/9/2009, 8:52 AM
	haha. good point @DarthMulder Well, i'll be surprised if they do Venom true justice. We all wanna see the huge, epic Venom, like in Ultimate Spiderman and stuff. After all, if they do a kick butt job and the movie rocks, it'll make asshats out of all of us :) Fartman - 10/9/2009, 9:07 AM
	@Darth: Well, take a film like 'Bad Lieutenant' with Harvey Kietel. The lead character had no redeeming qualities at all, and while "I" enjoy a film like that - where we get a character study of a complete scumbag, I'm thinking the average movie-goer might not. As a consequence that movie didn't exactly set the box office on fire. (Actually, I'm not sure that's a good example. The entire point of that film seemed to be the fact that the lead character had no redeeming qualities.)But you get what I mean. I'm not saying it's a necessity for the makings of a quality film, I'm just saying that for it to have mass appeal the audience has to be able to identify with some past tragedy or some hidden redeeming qualities. Maybe 'Unforgiven' is a better example: We know all the horrible things that Will Munny has done, but his subsequent suffering makes him more human and relateable, therefore we forgive him for his actions. Velox - 10/9/2009, 9:24 AM
	I totally agree with Velox. For the movie to sell, the audience needs to relate to it. And a big symbiote that kills criminals kinda lacks IMO. It's cool for a comic book, but all five of us would be alone in the theater, watching it LOL :P DarthMulder- Dude, you have no idea how soft i went with him. That guy sips on his saliva in every damn line! He's got major moisture issues. He's a walkin' sprinkler and goes "full retard" even when his role doesn't require it. Children should be kept far away from him cause the mere sight of him was the scariest thing in "Thirteen Ghosts"!!! BTW Velox, what's your new avatar? Looks like Pitt's retarded sister from the "Full Bleed" comics LOL :P Shaman - 10/9/2009, 11:13 AM
	LOL Shaman: You like that? It's one of those weird Humandescent.org pictures. I thought it sort of looked like Jamie Foxx doing Ray Charles. ;) Velox - 10/9/2009, 11:25 AM
	this shit wont bomb if people see is all about venom a lot of people will go see it flames809 - 10/9/2009, 1:27 PM
	These would be my choices! SAM WORTHINGTON as Venom MICHAEL FASSBENDER as Carnage AlexDeLarge666 - 10/9/2009, 2:48 PM
	anti-hero struggle sounds good to me...topher did an alright job...bring 'em back...i'd also prefer an 80% costumed hero to 20% human alias movie anyway.... MisterUnderhill - 10/9/2009, 7:44 PM
	IMO a film about Venom as a hero or anti-hero doesn't really work. But a film featuring Venom as the only super powered character works, IMO Venom is like a vampire or something right he eats people in dark places there's a film in that (about the people who try not to get eaten with varying degrees of success) and it's been proven hundreds of times. Acerimmer1 - 10/9/2009, 7:55 PM
	Hell Venom as an anti-hero doesn't really even work in the comics. Acerimmer1 - 10/9/2009, 7:56 PM
	MultiPurposePoni - 10/9/2009, 9:06 PM
	@ Velox & Shaman: maybe you guys are right. I don't know why but I can just imagine the classic comic book looking Venom .. long toungue, lots of drool, way bigger and stronger than Spider-Man... killing J walkers and litters. He's swinging around new york looking like a Spidey - Demon.. he sees some loser snatch an old ladies purse. He brings her back her purse plus the head of the turd that took it. She screams, and he thinks it's because she's happy lol For some reason I can just picture it lol DarthMulder - 10/9/2009, 11:00 PM
	a venom movie really would be a waste of time unless they put a dark spin on it and not spiderman 3 dark.venom needs a spin close to what watchmen is like not the same thing just similar . and if a venom movie was made they need a different actor. cbmf20 - 10/10/2009, 12:56 AM
	I agree, get lesnar and kick ass, let alot of fists and kicks fly , followed by shit blowing up. Thats a good anti-hero move. If u destroy shit they will come nitewing313 - 10/10/2009, 8:38 AM
	OK WHO CAN NAME ALL THE SYMBIOTES AND WHO CAME FROM WHO??VENOM GAVE BIRTH TO CARNAGE, CARNNAGE GAVE BIRTH TO TOXIN? WHERED ANTI VENOM COME FROM? GUNSMITH - 10/10/2009, 10:11 PM
	OK WHO CAN NAME ALL THE SYMBIOTES AND WHO CAME FROM WHO??VENOM GAVE BIRTH TO CARNAGE, CARNNAGE GAVE BIRTH TO TOXIN? WHERED ANTI VENOM COME FROM? GUNSMITH - 10/10/2009, 10:11 PM
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