Why I gave up on the X MEN

I break down the rather ill conceived X Men Cinematic Universe in brief, and take a more detailed look at Days of Future Past.

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By rohan - 6/24/2014


With 7 movies over 13 years, the X Men cinematic universe is one of the most established superhero (‘mutant’ if you’re a stickler for detail) franchises out there, not just in terms of number of films, but the diversity of stories told, and the dizzying number of characters the universe boasts.

People give credit to Bryan Singer’s  2000 movie ‘X Men’, not only the first film in the X Men franchise, but one, they argue, paved the way for the current generation of superhero movies as we know them. I personally believe that honour goes to Sam Rami’s ‘Spider-man’, which came out a couple of years later. The first X Men film just didn’t have the magic that Spiderman had when it hit theatres. ‘X Men’ felt more like a group of misfits that were brought together by Professor X rather than what we today call a conventional superhero movie.

Back then,audiences needed a conventional narrative with likeable characters, one X Men did not necessarily provide. Instead it gave us characters who more often than not regretted their ‘gifts’, and even wanted to get rid of them. This made for an interesting inner struggle for the characters, one that’s been milked throughout the series. You could argue that maybe ‘X Men’, as a film was a few years ahead of its time, since audiences needed to embrace more black and white superhero narratives before welcoming characters like Mystique and Wolverine.

This was followed by ‘X2: X Men United’ in 2003, again directed by Singer. A much stronger film than its predecessor, X2 introduced us to Wolverine’s creator, William Stryker. Although it dealt with similar themes to the first film, it was a much stronger film. It had a stronger plot and actually delved deeper into its characters. For the first time we saw Professor X and Magento working with each other. This movie set up the franchise for great things to come; which in hindsight became a case of potential never truly realized.

When Bryan Singer left the X Men franchise to direct Superman returns for WB/ DC, I rejoiced. I expected to see a great character driven narrative from Singer mixed with some great action, given his work on 2 X Men films. What he gave us was an abomination. And Fox and Brett Ratner didn’t do much better with ‘X Men: The Last Stand’, throwing everything AND the proverbial sink at the audience, with a paper thin plot.

Not enough venom can be spewed on the direction Fox took with ‘X Men: The Last Stand’, ‘X Men Origins: Wolverine’ and ‘The Wolverine’. ‘The Last Stand’ single handedly ruined Gean Grey, Cyclopse, Professor X, Mystique, and marginalized Magneto and beast, focusing squarely on the two biggest stars at that point in time, Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine, and Halle Berry’s Storm. The script had no clue how to properly incorporate so many other characters in the movie, and being the last one of the trilogy, they put gazillion mutants in there.

Between the 2 Wolverine movies that followed, they managed to turn casual fans of the X Men away from fan favourites Gambit, Blob, Deadpool, and Silver Samurai as well.

It took a valiant effort from Matthew Vaughn in ‘X Men: First Class’ to re-establish faith in the franchise. ‘First Class’ stands as my favourite film in the franchise, and does a great job introducing us to Charles Xavier/ Professor X and Magneto, and sheds light at their friendship, and formative years. It takes us through the different ways they approach the Human/ Mutant status quo, with Magneto being far more radical in his thoughts. The effort, however, also opens up inconsistencies with the original films in the franchise. And these inconsistencies are multiplied tenfold by ‘X Men: Days of Future Past’

The latest entry in the franchise, ‘X Men: Days of Future Past’ is the most ambitious of the lot, with past and future versions of the X Men working together to overcome a common enemy. It’s filled with a lot of inner conflict and motivations of a lot of its characters, rather than throwing action sequences at the audience unrelentingly.

This would normally be the kind of thing I’d welcome with open arms in a summer blockbuster, a little more being offered then mindless action, but I came out of DOFP, rather disappointed.
Don’t get me wrong, as a standalone entity DOFP works very well. Simon Kinsberg’s screenplay is extremely taut, and almost every scene does something to advance the story, with very little excess fat making it to the final cut, and there really is a lot going on, given the sheer number of characters here. All of them are done justice too from a screenplay perspective.

Why am I whining then? Here’s the thing, I’ve seen all the films in the X Men franchise and I still don’t feel like I really know most of these characters. At seven movies in, I feel like I should understand at least the central X Men, but the likes of Magneto and Mystique always seem to be a whole new character in the movies.  The movies seem to adopt an episodic approach to the characters, rather than continuing their journeys.

Since DOFP goes about the task of setting right the wrongs caused by ‘X Men origins: Wolverine’ and ‘The Last Stand’, and has such a huge impact on the course of events to follow (let’s be honest, it pretty much reboots all of the last 6 movies, barring X Men: First Class), I feel like it’s the most to blame for all the anachronisms (and there are SO MANY in this movie) and character inconsistencies.

Coming back to Magneto, he just seems to switch sides at will. He chooses to work with Xavier when it’s convenient for him, and fight him when he feels like it. Even in DOFP, we see him ready to kill Mystique to save the future and himself without batting an eye, after all they went through in ‘First Class’; and yet, in the third act, he looks to commit the same murder that he almost killed Mystique to avoid? Are both the characters really so daft as to go ahead and perform the act knowing what’s really at stake? I really thought Magneto planned to sabotage the sentinels just to prove they can’t be trusted for public safety (which would have been a much smarter thing to do), but I was wrong.

If you really think about it; did they really need to rescue Magneto to stop Mystique from killing Trask? I don’t remember him contributing to the mission in any way, other than making everything worse. Did he really NEED to be in the movie?

What about his motivations? That’s the other thing; I still can’t say I understand Magneto’s motivations as a character. There have been at least 3 instances in the series so far where I can recall Magneto asking his fellow mutants to ‘rise up’ against humans. If he is such a charismatic leader, I’d imagine a few close aides would have joined him over the years.  And he lets them die as collateral damage? He’s always raising an army or a brotherhood, and running through mutants like a hot knife through butter in the name of collateral damage. After ALL that, he and Charles still end up working together again and again under the rouge of ‘facing a common enemy’. I find that a little hard to believe.

It just seems like the film makers aren’t really sure what to do with the characters of Magneto and Xavier in the movies other than thrive off the conflict between them. It would be great to see the movies reach some kind of consistency as far as the interactions between them are concerned.  While the conflict worked well in ‘First Class’, and the contrast between the two sets of characters was on full display in DOFP, instead of it feeling fresh and interesting, I couldn’t help but feel like I’ve seen all of it earlier.

Even when it’s all said and done, I never really saw Trask as a villain here, He wants to find a way to help the government fight mutant threats; he goes about it legally, seeking permission, with no imminent plan to cause wide scale destruction. It basically comes down to Mystique and Magneto being the real villains here as well, both potentially driving history down the road the team is working to avoid.

It’s interesting to think that given everything we’ve seen from the X Men series so far, whether Magneto, a champion for mutant rights, has actually cause more damage than help for his cause.

Considering the original reality that occurred before Wolverine goes back in time and  changes it, we never heard of the sentinels during the first 2 XMen films, no explanation is provided for that either.  If the cops are smart enough to use plastic weapons against Magneto in the 70’s why did they always resort to metallic ones in Singer’s earlier X Men films? And why could Xavier just get into Trask’s head and make him stop here?
If these were Transformers movies, I wouldn’t bother asking these questions, but coming from the guy who helmed The Usual Suspects, I believe I’m warranted in expecting more from the movies.

My other major gripe with DOFP is the use of the EXTREMELY overused ‘Reset button syndrome’. It really trivializes the sense of imminent danger the characters face in the future, as you know that even if they die, they’re all going to come back with a history altering correction. Seeing so many of our favourite mutants die should be gut-wrenching, but I found myself counting the minutes before those mutants inevitably reappeared on screen, not for a second believing any of them were actually dead.

The film also doesn’t answer several other questions regarding its major characters. How Xavier is still alive after Gene Grey / Phoenix vaporized him? How did Magneto get his powers back after being ‘cured’ in ‘The Last stand’? We also see Wolverine having to switch back to bone claws at the end of Wolverine? Did he get more Adamantium implants since then?

The stage is now set for ‘X-Men: Apocalypse’, scheduled to take place in the 80s. This just further convolutes the timeline in my opinion rather than simplify it, but let’s see how it plays out.

As a direct sequel to ‘First Class’, DOFP works very well, but as a film that attempts to directly alter the course of every other movie from the X Men universe, which is what it really tries to do, DOFP falls short.

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cimmerian - 6/24/2014, 3:29 AM
Oh yeaH. You said it!
iMVuze - 6/24/2014, 5:03 AM
tl;dr
TitanicByMyself - 6/24/2014, 5:04 AM
1. At the end of X3 Magneto moved the chess piece with is ability.
2. They went to go get Magneto out of prison for the purpose of bringing him and Charles together to stop Mystique. It wasn't until after Wolverine and Charles gave him more details about Mystique did he decide to try to kill her.
3. The circumstances were WAAAAY different when Magneto was going to kill Trask and the president and co. because at the beginning of the movie immediately after killing trask they captured Mystique and that's how they were able to go forward with the Sentinel program. Erik was planning on uniting all of the mutants and form the Brotherhood and it would've been an all out war but that's assuming Magneto wouldn't be able to stop the Sentinel program. He was obviously able to control the Sentinels so I doubt he would've let the government continue progress in any way. Just saying.
TitanicByMyself - 6/24/2014, 5:14 AM
4. Wasn't Magneto in prison? If First Class takes place in 1962 and JFK was assassinated in 1963, I highly doubt he would have too many followers in the first place. He wouldn't have been able to very much from a prison cell.
5. He only fights through other mutants if they are opposing him. Basically if you're not with him then you're against him. He's actually shown to be able to work with any mutant as long as they share the same ideals as him which is why he sided with Emma Frost at the end of FC. They died before the events so he was essentially alone up until DoFP
MightyZeus - 6/24/2014, 6:59 AM
When X-men brought back the trend of comic book films along with Blade. When X-men was released it seemed so huge with in it's own cinematic universe but after 2008 when Marvel Studios came along the X-men universe became very small and dwindled down. I'm always willing to give comic book films a chance even though Wolverine Origins was just terrible. X-men 3 was mediocre but the more you watch it the more it becomes terrible. First Class is what brought me back to the X-men universe. I had no hype for The Wolverine but that film was actually decent and good.
NitPicker - 6/24/2014, 7:16 AM
I gave up on the X-Men (FOX-Men) after seeing X2. I recently saw a bootleg copy of Days of Future Past (boycott FOX, Marvel Studios 4 lyfe!!!) and once again, I was completely disappointed. I was disappointed by the majority of the movie, but there are a few things that really stood out to me.

The thing I dislike the most about the movie is the way they handle the Xavier/Magneto relationship. I remember when the trailer first came out and there were massive flame wars (which I was a part of), then TheBlackNerd brought attention to the part where Magneto says to Xavier "All those years wasted fighting each other". TheBlackNerd mentioned that this was an awesome line and I agreed with him. I watched the movie expecting to see some good dialogue between Xavier and Magneto about human/mutant relations. But the only thing I saw was Xavier and Magneto fighting about Mystique. They are supposed to be the biggest advocates for mutant civil rights and they are bickering with each other over a woman. Imagine if Malcolm X and Martin Luther King had beef with each other because of some woman. EPIC FAIL!!!

Another thing I had a problem with is the way they portrayed Xavier. Like I said earlier, Xavier is supposed to be one of the biggest advocates for mutant civil rights, but the movie shows him as a little drug addict who turns his back on all of mutantkind because Mystique won't talk to him anymore. That shit is so [frick]ing weak and pathetic. He's supposed to be the leader and mentor for the X-Men, who are in turn supposed to be the role-models for mutants, but he gives up because a woman won't talk to him. The X-Men/Xavier are greater than that. SMH!!!

The last thing I will mention is how disappointed I am with the future scenes. The scenes in the future did a great injustice to the X-Men (and this applies to the FOX-Men movie franchise as a whole). In the future we see Blink, Warpath, Sunspot, Bishop, Kitty Pryde, Colossus, Iceman and Storm fighting and being killed by the Sentinels. While watching the movie, I had a few questions that popped into my head during the future scenes.

Who is Blink?
Who is Warpath?
Who is Sunspot?
Who is Bishop?

We know absolutely nothing about these characters so why should we care what happens to them?

Who is Kitty Pryde?
Who is Colossus?

These characters only had about 5 minutes of screen time each in the entire franchise. We don't know who they are.

Who is Iceman?
Who is Storm?

The only thing I remember about Iceman is that he was an asshole towards Rogue. The only thing I remember about Storm is that shitty Toad/Lightning line.

I know who all of these characters are because I read the comics. But they never show you who these characters are in the movies. And it's so [frick]ing pathetic that these characters are portrayed in such a disposable way.

That whole future scene shows how ill prepared FOX is to tell any actual X-Men stories. And it's because they have yet to show the actual X-Men. That future scene should have been a scene where The X-Men (who would stand up against the likes of Mr. Sinister and the Shi'ar Empire) met their end unceremoniously at the hands of those that they are willing to protect and die for in the face of hatred and oppression. What we got was a bunch of Mortal Kombat fatalities. And that's all Mortal Kombat (and the FOX-Men movies) is, a bunch of brutal fatalities with no substance or skill at all. [frick]ing pathetic.
GliderMan - 6/24/2014, 7:17 AM
I think you're overthinking this.
CorndogBurglar - 6/24/2014, 7:19 AM
X-Men paved the way for the new generation of CBM's. Spider-Man more than likely would not have been made if X-Men failed.
CorndogBurglar - 6/24/2014, 7:23 AM
@ nitpicker

I agree with everything you said.

But Mortal Kombat isn't some game that takes no skill.
NitPicker - 6/24/2014, 7:45 AM
@CorndorBurglar

I don't know about anything about the recent Mortal Kombat games, but the first few lacked substance, skill and variety. The characters were basically the same. They had the same basic attacks. They all had a special projectile attack and an attack where they lunge their body at the opponent. The only real difference between the characters was the inputs for the special attacks and the fatalities. There was no real skill. It was mainly whoever got the first hit had advantage.

Whenever you see people play the older games it's just uppercuts, foot sweeps, projectiles and fatalities. The only reason it stands out among other fighting games is because of the blood and fatalities.
Wolf38 - 6/24/2014, 10:12 AM
I do feel like I know Magneto and Mystique by this point, as well as, to a degree, Wolverine, Xavier and Beast.

The franchise has certainly dropped the ball so far on Storm, Cyclops and most of the peripheral characters...which is a shame, but not anything terribly unusual for film in general. The main characters get the development, and the supporting characters merely appear in support.
CookieKid247 - 6/24/2014, 10:15 AM
Goddamn Marvel fanboys don't even wamt FOX to make good X-Men movies because they're so in love. Bryan Siner and Mathew Vaughn have done a great job with the X-Men and they'll be around for more movies so no one cares if you gave up. I'm sure that little 10 bucks you didn't spend hurt the film sooo much.
tonytony - 6/24/2014, 10:38 AM
xmen dofp was awesome. marvel fanboys need to calm the [frick] down
SauronsBANE - 6/24/2014, 12:57 PM
Wow, great well-written article man! You hit on a few of the things I had some problems with DoFP (Magneto's motivations were completely unexplained and inconsistent, we didn't know/care about the majority of the future mutants, etc), and while I think it's a bit drastic to give up on the entire franchise, you definitely make compelling points.

I hate giving unwarranted advice, but I'd suggest livening up the wall of text with some pictures (it helps the users with short attention spans to get through the whole thing, though this really isn't all that long of an article at all), and maybe breaking up the article into different, defined sections as well. In my experience, it helps avoid the annoying comments of "tl;dr" and it also encourages actual discussion, rather than users breaking down your points into a neat little numbered list and then rebutting them(or maybe that's just a pet peeve of mine haha).

More importantly, those changes will help make this look nicer and people will be more likely to appreciate the effort put into it. That will help get this on main, so even more people can see this. Just some friendly advice! Again, this was a great read.
CorndogBurglar - 6/24/2014, 2:09 PM
@ Nitpicker

Yeah, I can agree with that, but you should check out Mortal Kombat 2011. That game was fantastic. Every character has their own combos and specials. Its one of the best fighting games ever made in my opinion, with Street Fighter 4 beating it, but just barely.

CorndogBurglar - 6/24/2014, 2:12 PM
@ CookieKid

Why does it offend you so much that people might not like something that you do like? Does it really hurt your feelings that much? Do you feel attacked in some way? I don't get it, because the author of this article explained why he doesn't like it in a very detailed and thought out way.

All you're doing is attacking people like a blunt object, simply because they didn't like something. You're the one that sounds like the fanboy.
CookieKid247 - 6/24/2014, 2:18 PM
I am attached granted but I see so many of these articles claiming how people are 'done' or 'don't care' about FOX's X-Men and seem to forget about the fact the first two movies, First Class, The Wolverine and DOFP were great films but they thrive on the two bad films that Singer nor Vaughn directed and think that constitutes the rights being given back to Marvel or being rebooted. That is my problem. I enjoyed his article but I think it lacks valid points including questioning Magneto's motives. It's a sore franchise that's getting healed and it pains me a lot of people are impatient and can't wait for it to get back on its feet. Grew up with the franchise and I've only been alive three years without it so it would piss me off a little to keep seeing requests and rants for a reboot from people who aren't faithful enough to simply enjoy them.
sikwon - 6/24/2014, 5:10 PM
X1 and X2 were not great movies. They were good but not great. The thing that comes a crossed and the reason why marvel fan boys struggle so much to get behind the Xmovies is because most of the complete lack of respect for the source material. I'm not a stickler for source adherence like say the Watchmen but I need more then what the X men gives us. Think about what you know of the characters from the comics and compare them to their on screen versions. Examples ...
1. Iceman. In the comics he is a joker, the levity of the group. Not quite Peter Parker funny or Peter quill clever but he's still funny. In the movies he's brooding, joyless, emo kid. He is literally nothing like his comic source.
2. Cyclops. In the comics Cyke is the mutant Captain America. He's a leader, strategist, motivator, planner (the Wolverine protocol ware Magneto rips Wolvies adamantium out of his body, Namor rips his head off and Cyke blows his body to bits is straight out of the Batman contingency play book!) and he's incredibly driven to protect mutants and support Xaviers dream. In the movies he's weak, emotional, short (that bothers me because some of the BEST interactions between Scott and Logan involve Scott looking down at him) and he is an afterthought. He's a character that is in the movies because he HAS to be. Even worse the Hawkeye in the Avengers because Cyke is a central character.
3. Emma Frost. I was going to go with Storm here but it would have been the Cyclops example all over again. In the comics, even the old issues, Frost was formidable. She was a strong, formidable woman with powers just below Xavier. In first class she smiled, fetched ice and .... well that's it. Compare just those 3 characters and they don't even resemble the comics. It's like that with all the Xmen. The only fully fleshed out characters are Magneto and Wolverine. He'll even Wolverine is a shell. All Fox did was take the most basics of the characters and the plots of the xmen. That's why we struggle so much, it felt wooden. Feels wooden. You can make the argument that it's the same thing with Marvel and Spiderman but it's not. Those characters are recognizable to their source. That's my biggest issue. Don't be slavish, tell the story you want to tell but RESPECT the characters. Fox just doesn't.
CookieKid247 - 6/24/2014, 5:35 PM
Bryan Singer respects the characters. Mathew Vaughn is eh. Even when Singer didn't respect the source material he plans on fixing that. He said we're getting Storm (who needed to be fixed), Cyclops (who needed to be fixed) and Jean Grey (who Brett Ratner [frick]ed up) in the next movie. So yes they made mistakes and they acknowledge them and they are going to fix them. My problem is that some people don't even have enough patience to wait for Singer to patch up the mess that was created in his absence. You watch X1 and X2 and you can obviously see a plan, a certain direction/angle they were aiming for and then X3 happened which is the only reason everything is as bad as it is before DOFP happened.
CorndogBurglar - 6/24/2014, 7:03 PM
@ CookieKid

Yeah, X3 was awful. A lot of bad decisions were made, the biggest being killing off Cyclops. But that could have been fixed in a sequel since we didnt actually see him die. But to me, Beast was the only good thing in that film. But you know what? At least it followed the continuity of its own film series. First Class didn't. First Class is what screwed up the franchise because they just did what they wanted in it while still calling it a prequel.

So as bad as X3 was, it could have been fixed in a sequel. First Class screwed up so many things that they had to basically reboot the entire history of the series. First Class is to blame.
0megaDaGod - 6/24/2014, 11:14 PM
@Nitpicker

DAYUM

rohan - 6/25/2014, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the comments guys. Appreciate it. Couple of points:

1. I wouldn't peg myself as a Marvel fan-boy. I have gripes with the way they go about a lot of their movies too. But in comparison to the X Men Universe, I believe the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a more organized and thought out series of films, that connect with each other more consistently. If i have drawn any comparison between the two in the article, its only because these are so far the ONLY two really established cinematic Universes currently out there.

2. I don't believe the Bryan Singer or Matthew Vaughn are either single handedly or majorly responsible for my lack of love for the films. It's got more to do with the way FOX has gone about the franchise, and my concerns are more so with the screenplays than the direction.

3. Even if we consider Singer's first two movies are solid and still hold their own, resetting the timelines in DOFP, in my opinion at least, undermines the events of 'X Men', and 'X2' more than any other film in the franchise, ergo undermining Singer's past contribution to the series itself.

4. FOX seems to have a clear agenda to capitalize on the star power of the lead actors. Giving the top billed actors more screen time is great, but in doing so(with Jennifer Lawrence, Michael Fassbender, and Hugh Jackman), they made some some modifications to the plot of the comic that ended up having a weaker narrative. I'll stick to my point that the movie could really have done without Fassbender's Magneto(as i do believe was the case with the comic-please correct me if i'm wrong)
RobtimusPrime - 6/25/2014, 12:47 AM
Good read.
Fox has had over a decade to get it right and have failed miserably
It's not about picking a studio brand. It's about Fox taking a dump on one of comicdom's most beloved properties.

If all you know of the X-Men is from the Fox-verse, you probably wonder what all the fuss is about. I mean what's the big deal?
Because in the Fox-verse, Xavier is a recovering drug addict who cries a lot.
Magneto is a Maguffin who cries a lot.
Cyclops, who's he?
Storm (Marvel's first lady IMO) is the token black chick.
Colossus? That's the big guy that got ripped in half right?
Kitty Pride? That's the one Juggernaut called a, bitch right?
Havok? That's the guy who was a dick to beast in, First class right? Nightcrawler? He was, badass. let's get rid of him!
Sabretooth? Who?
Emma Frost a "Hooters" babe with super powers. "Here's your drink, sweety."
Rogue? A nerfed teen romance movie cliché.
Jean Grey? That's the babe that went nuts & tried to kill everybody right?

Why should anyone give a f*ck about this franchise if they don't know the X-Men? What's so compelling about these movies? It isn't the characters. After a shitload of flicks it's still the Wolverine, Xavier, Magneto & Mystique show. Is it the spectacle? Not sure. The action in these movies has always been a mixed bag. They've yet to come close to matching, Marvel when it comes to "oh shit" jaw-dropping displays that the Avengers flossed two years ago. Much less the ridiculously awesome spectacle of, Cap 2, two months before Dofp dropped.

I could go on & on. It's sad, really. Had to take a few shots of, Jameson's just to finish this post. The fail is that severe in my eyes. Cap 2 out- grossing an X-Men film seems like a real life, "What If?" Comic.

I detest getting into the whole "studio warfare" shit but I totally agree with the whole "revert the rights" sentiment. The X-Men are my all time favorite superhero comic. And their completely unrecognizable on the screen.

Mega-Fail, Fox. F*ck you for turning my favorite books into a CW show.

REVERT THE MOTHAF*CKING RIGHTS!!!
ManCalledSting - 6/25/2014, 3:21 AM
In glad Fox is keeping these rights, for they've done a pretty damn good job. They've made 7 movies, X1&2 FC and DoFP are all great movies, X3 is okay, and the two Wolvie ones are shit. 4 outta seven is a pretty good ratio, and better than Marvel for my money.
Enphlieuwince - 6/25/2014, 10:01 AM
Great article! NitPicker, sikwon, and, Robtimus Prime, you guys buried the nail.
0megaDaGod - 6/25/2014, 3:49 PM
I think the movies would be much better if you'd never read a bunch of X Men comics. I'm more inclined to believe that because the majority of the hardcore defenders admit to not reading them
cimmerian - 6/25/2014, 9:12 PM
At first, X-Men showed Hollywood that a movie like this can be made. Being an X-Men fan, I was so delighted that I watched it 5 times. X2 was better and Fox was rolling! Then everything changed when Bryan Singer jumped ship to do Superman Returns for WB. I feared they'll loose their momentum. And it did. X-Men 3 may have had more action, but it disrespected the characters. X-Men Origins: Wolverine was the nail to the coffin. It was wierd & horrible that I promised never to support any more CBM from Fox ever again. Although even before these things happened, I already been bugged by the very thought that we the fans haven't been given that certain factor we deserve. A True Marvel Comic Book Satisfying Feeling. Yes, the X-Men are in the movies now, but they don't look and feel like the X-Men I grew to love from the comics. All we get is a Hugh Jackman acting as Wolverine movies.
I didn't care if X-Men First Class did good in the theaters. Seeing that Fox throwing just about any characters from the comics to this movie, which they haven't featured yet in their past movies, was a sin. And changing Moira McTaggert's role here was for me the biggest laugh of all.
For the record, like XMFC, I watched The Wolverine FREE on download. It was okay. It was entertaining. But the climactic action in the end ruined it all for me. It was like watching X-Men Origins again. Why does Wolverine have to have wierd enemies in the end? First, a mindless Frankenstein Deadpool. And now a robotic Silver Samurai, piloted by a old Japanese friend with no honor and no clear motivation.
It's been proven time and time again that Fox enjoy screwing up with Marvel's X-Men. It's so absurd. Marvel's most popular characters... Spider-Man, X-Men, Hulk, Fantastic Four, Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Punisher, and Elektra may have movies based on them. But that's just it. They're just movies just to please fans and the general audience and to make money.
Marvel, in the meantime, was left with less desirable B-List characters like Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, Hawkeye, etc. Then Iron Man and the Hulk were returned to them for unfortunate reasons. But guess what happened to them when Marvel took a gigantic risk of putting up their own movie studio... WOW! Absolute miracle! Now, The Avengers have the right to brag at their fellow Marvel and even to their major competitor DC. This, at least, is the very positive side of Marvel's story. How Ironic.
The idea of Marvel Studio shared Cinematic Universe was so damn good. Fox, saw there's money in it. So for the first time, they decided to adopt a story directly from the source material. X-Men Day of Future Past.
I'd rather wait for that on downloads and watch it for free.
RobGrizzly - 6/26/2014, 8:18 AM
Days of Future Past has a LOT of problems. It saddens me how much people ignore these issues. It saddens me even more that the author of this article fails to realize First Class is more to blame for the plot inconsistencies than X3 and Origins combined. FC really F'ed up the X-Men universe beyond repair. Yet people like it as the best one? There was nothing Singer COULD do but just hit the reset button. Course-corection would have meant accounting for too many changes already made. It was an insurmountable task.

Agreed that FOX's X-Universe doesn't really compare with what we should expect from superhero movies this day and age.
DrKinsolving - 6/28/2014, 5:57 AM
X-MEN DOFP was entertaining, I went into the theatre expecting something really bad and I was surprised that it was a good movie.

I can let the Magneto escape slide, because they went back to 1973, and although we know that Magneto is a villain and he's there to [frick] shit up.... The rest of the x-men (Xavier, Beast) still believe that he wants to help. Also, they needed Magneto in this movie.

What pissed me off the most about the movie was the ending when Stryker is actually Mystique. Does Wolverine not get the adamantium bonded to his skeleton now!!!!

Is this now a happier Wolverine???????????????

The experimentation and the whole Stryker experience is essential to Wolverines character and without the Adamantium Wolverine basically just heals fast. He wasn't even able to take down a sentinel with the bone claws!?!?

I really hope that they fix that part of the story because seriously the rest of the x-men probably doesn't even look at Wolverine as a threat if he has bone claws. Not just in the comics but in the movies if he didn't have the adamantium skeleton he would have been useless in battles.
dethpillow - 6/28/2014, 6:08 AM
@DrKinsolving - ha, that's funny, that's one of the things that i liked about what the movie did. a lot, i liked that it called all that into question about Wolverine, like what's gonna happen. i mean, it's kind of his destiny to be involved with that program, and it would be lame to skip over it. i don't think they'd do that, actually. it's too lame. :)

but i like that now they have the opportunity to set up a new situation with him regarding time travel and consciousness of things. maybe that won't be part of what they do, but it's a door kicked out for them to use later if they want to.

and right now it doesn't even have to be sensible, but it just makes me happy to see layers of doors kicked out into rooms, so that someone can pick em up later if they want to. we'll see.

but i'll be pissed too, like really beyond myself pissed off if they just sidestep that now, but i actually can't imagine them doing that, unless they had something really rad to do instead. i don't think Kinberg thinks like that tho. i still can't tell how i really feel about him and his writing. i don't know. can't tell yet.

i really just hope that Singer is not directing Apocalypse. someone new would bring potential for anything, but if i hear that Singer is directing, then personally it's just gonna bum me out.
dethpillow - 6/28/2014, 6:10 AM
i think actually we might see Kinberg direct an X-Men film. maybe not a team film at first but maybe a solo film. i'd be interested to see what would happen with such a thing, for sure.
dethpillow - 6/28/2014, 6:13 AM
my new obsession is Patty Jenkins for a 2 part Dark Phoenix Saga.
no continuity. just purely that.
god i would cut off my hair and throw it into the ocean if only it could make this happen.
dethpillow - 6/28/2014, 6:17 AM
and i think it'd be cool if in like 3 or 4 movies down the line, we saw Wolverine kind of caught in some kind of time loop where he knew what was going on up til a certain point. and that would be the Weapon X program, but something where he was just eternally having to live this 20 years or so in a loop over and over again.
i've loved this idea since we've been talking about possibilities for DOFP.
it would be really sad and it would be a way to show what kind of person he is to always choose this unbearable pain for the sake of some to him imaginary and never experienceable future.

it'd be like if the Christ myth actually made sense or something. it would just be great.
DrKinsolving - 6/28/2014, 6:21 AM
@dethpillow

True, I could see Wolverine coming back with his claws in Apocalypse and it would have a similar feel to when Batman came back on screen for the first time in TDKR.

It would be so [frick]ing lame if they don't give him the Adamantium back....

I feel the same way about Singer, I really hope Mathew Vaughan is still on for Apocalypse too, he helped write the story for X-men DOFP, and I think he has a lot to do with the success of these films (First Class and DOFP)
DrKinsolving - 6/28/2014, 6:24 AM
@dethpillow

And Patty Jenkins for the Phoenix Saga would be interesting, I've always wondered what the "creative differences" were for her leaving Thor: The Dark World
dethpillow - 6/28/2014, 6:32 AM
@DrKinsolving - i think it happened so quickly after it was announced that I think she just saw the way Marvel worked and didn't feel comfortable in it.
which i think is totally cool and it shows how sharp she is.

I'd love tho to hear what her idea of a Thor movie was...I actually don't know if she had an idea for the story or what, but if she did, i wanna hear what it was.
But I bet she just added up numerous things and went with her gut on it and split. Supposedly she was there becuz of something to do with Portman, but i don't know if that's true at all, or what those rumors even were trying to imply.

for some reason that other article where we were talking about Thor got erased, but it's something that comes up so often and bugs me so much that i'm gonna try and make an article about it, cuz Thor 2 is a great example of how things could've been different, i think. and i'm talking about not just Thor 2, but CBMs in general. but man, she's a real deal director, and i was amazed that she'd ever want to do a comic book movie, actually. i would love to see what her take on anything would be, Marvel, DC, independent, whatever, i would be so goddam excited to see what she would do on it.

and Thor... too. that was just the weirdest news.

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