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TERMINATOR SALVATION Pictures of Unused Cyborgs & Details of Cut Scene

The producer of Terminator Salvation believes that Christian Bale's temper tantrum and the film's PG-13 rating were factors in the movie under-performing at the box office.

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By nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012


TheArnoldFans.com was able to nab an interview with Terminator Salvation producer Victor Kubicek. In the summer of 2009 the fourth Terminator film was released, and with stars like Christian Bale, and Sam Worthington headlining the film most felt it was bound to be a hit, yet it was not. Victor stills stand by his film, and regrets that a few scenes ended up on the cutting room floor. He describes one such scene, "Imagine looking down on a verdant golf course surrounded by perfect homes and manicured lawns only to realize everything is synthetic and the people who live there are hybrids."



One of the issues with Salavation was that it was created under a PG-13 rating and not an R rating like the previous three films in the franchise. No one should make a film R rated just to get the rating, it should feel natural, but still the Terminator franchise isn't for small children. So when asked if the PG-13 rating hurt the film, Victor replied, "I think the PG-13 rating may have hurt the film but I guess we will never know. In hindsight, there are things I miss about the movie that didn’t end up on screen that would have certainly been prevalent in the R version of this story, but hey, you can’t go back in time, right?"



TheArnoldFans: Do you think the tantrum of Christian Bale (one of my all-time favorite Actors) had anything to do with the mediocre box office?

V.J.K: As for Christian Bale, I don’t think he quite did his personal best in this film and the tantrum was its own crazy thing that we should leave to him to explain. Did it turn off some people? Probably.




TheArnoldFans: How difficult was it to get Arnold onboard to lend his CG likeness? Roughly how many meetings, emails and calls did it take for Arnold to finally give in?

V.J.K: It was important to have Arnold in the film and he felt the same way. It wasn’t a protracted effort at all and from what I can recall he was very encouraging about it. He is this franchise in so many ways and we very much wanted to honor that. He was Governor at the time, but he always came through to support Terminator Salvation and is passionate about the franchise.
Source: thearnoldfans.com
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Nick56 - 3/12/2012, 4:38 PM
I actually really liked Terminator Salvation.
PrinceVegeta - 3/12/2012, 4:39 PM
lol! they look like walking dead
Greengo - 3/12/2012, 4:43 PM
Bale's tatrum made me want to see it MORE!!!
Connerkentver1 - 3/12/2012, 4:44 PM
I believe for sure that Bale being a whiny bitch was the reason for the films underwhelming box office numbers. That being said, I enjoyed the film. It was better than 1&3. Shame too because Kristanna Loken is one of the best things to happen to the series. Only because she's way hotter than Linda oh my god I think she has a penis Hamilton. All things being said.
ckal - 3/12/2012, 4:44 PM
Movie sucked.
Connerkentver1 - 3/12/2012, 4:47 PM
Also Lokken was great in Painkiller Jane and Bloodrayne. She was the only good part of Bloodrayne.
RorMachine - 3/12/2012, 4:47 PM
I thought I read someone saying this was better than Terminator 1..mist have been my imagination. Anyway I also thought this was ok, had its moments for sure. Bale phoned it in though, and Worthington was...Worthington.
returnhangar - 3/12/2012, 4:48 PM
you wanna know why it wasnt as much of a success. because theres a million fan boys like me that are more than happy that james cameron concluded the story in t2, cyberdyne was destroyed the chip also. the evidence of it was all gone, i can accept that, i cant accept a private vendor buying out the rights and becoming cyber research systems,
because thats just another studio trying to coin in
CaptainRon - 3/12/2012, 4:48 PM
awful movie, swabs!
Greengo - 3/12/2012, 4:49 PM
However comma the 'nailbiter' / 'debbiedowner' correlation is perplexing.
Christuffer - 3/12/2012, 4:49 PM
I liked it
revloveR - 3/12/2012, 4:50 PM
looks like a literal mash up of salvation and the machinist.
nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012, 4:52 PM
what's that Greengo?
Greengo - 3/12/2012, 4:52 PM
Victor had better block Bale's # if he doesn't want to be on the receiving end of one of Bale's rants.,

I know I wouldn't!
Connerkentver1 - 3/12/2012, 4:53 PM
Okay story wise T1 was better. But salvation had better actors even though they were underutilized, was better effects, and honestly more heart.
Greengo - 3/12/2012, 4:54 PM
@nail. I've always was curious about that : )
Connerkentver1 - 3/12/2012, 4:57 PM
@Arminies My sentiments exactly. You just said it with less characters. Lol.
DEATHbyEXILE - 3/12/2012, 4:57 PM
nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012, 4:58 PM
Greengo, it worked when i had the debbie downer image, but since those aren't used anymore I just decided to update it. tada!
thedude2936 - 3/12/2012, 5:12 PM
i liked salvation, it was what 3 shouldve been in my mind, and as for Bale's temper tantrum, it wasnt that big a deal to me cause he's human like the rest of us. we have all at one time or another lost our tempers and made asses out of ourselves
pro346 - 3/12/2012, 5:20 PM
i liked it much better than 3...and we finally got to see the future war!
Canon108 - 3/12/2012, 5:27 PM
Sam Worthington's shitty acting and McG's shaddy directing (as well as his stupid name) didn't help the film...but I think Bale's rant might've brought in more people than it pushed away.
SHO1138 - 3/12/2012, 5:33 PM
Not a big deal but the 3rd was R- rated.
duncboy - 3/12/2012, 5:37 PM
Besides the ending where they did the ol heart switcharoo, I enjoyed this movie. Sure there were some scenes that didn't logically make sense, but it's a movie about cybernetic killing machines and time travel, shit doesn't need to be completely logical.
Ghostt - 3/12/2012, 5:40 PM
I liked Salvation; however, there was a lot going on which made it complicated, but not smart. I even thought Bale was badass in it, which he usually is. At least he didn't do any unnecessary gravelly bat-voice...
RorMachine - 3/12/2012, 5:48 PM
Well, each to their own. I think the first Terminator is one of the greatest sci-fi movies ever made and probably better than 2 actually.
uvsk420 - 3/12/2012, 5:51 PM
well when compared to 3 this movie kicked a$$, i liked it and was also happy they explained the scar on his face
nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012, 5:51 PM
Good catch SHO1138 I'll change that. So odd it didn't seem like an R rated film, but then again neither did T2.
nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012, 5:58 PM
T2 was the best one for me, but to each their own.
SeanC - 3/12/2012, 6:02 PM
the first terminator is easily the best, two was also good but last two were average at best
RorMachine - 3/12/2012, 6:06 PM
Stunts and effects don't make a better movie..it was a better spectacle, and awesome don't get me wrong. But the first one had a tighter script and all round better performances imo. Plus Kyle Reece was in it. In the second one we had an annoying teenager instead. Sorry, but he was I don't care what anyone said. Edward Furlong stank up that screen.
RorMachine - 3/12/2012, 6:06 PM
*says
duncboy - 3/12/2012, 6:10 PM
Terminator 2, in my opinion, is one of the only examples where the sequel is better than the first in a series. Terminator 3 was complete shit, so I'd have to rank Salvation 3rd behind Terminator 2 and Terminator 1.

If they make a Terminator 5, which I'd be surprised if they didn't, I'd love to see James Cameron and Christian Bale both return for a new interesting director/actor combo.
Luminus - 3/12/2012, 6:18 PM
T2 was the best as far as I'm concerned. T4 was pure trash. All believability vanishes the moment Skynet allows Kyle Reece to live, in order to catch John Connor. Stupid, stupid, stupid. And machines throwing people around, instead of just clenching their fist the moment they grab you (like the TX did to Connor in T3) is even stupider. Don't get me started on the PG-13 rating for a frackin' war movie. Stop trying to make everything family-oriented.
nailbiter111 - 3/12/2012, 6:34 PM
T2 was the best because it had Sam from Diff'rent Strokes in it.
Ryguy88 - 3/12/2012, 7:04 PM
Terminator Salvation failed because it had next to no story. It had a great setting and some excellent action scenes but the story just wasn't there. The reviews tempered its buzz and people just chose to skip it.
Ryguy88 - 3/12/2012, 7:12 PM
People saying it was better than T1 are just in it for the action. T1 is the best movie in the series, great hero, great villain and it had some iconic and influential glimpses of the future, a future which was more terrifying than the one depicted in Salvation. The scene where young Reese goes to the Skynet POW camp really dropped the ball imo. They could have really done something there, instead they just shuffle along and nothing happens.
pro346 - 3/12/2012, 7:35 PM
@n the script for t5 was going to have Robert Patrick in it, he was going to be a skin specialist.....that's who the t1000 was modelled on.
Greengo - 3/12/2012, 7:38 PM
Damn @nail!

You truly are a f'n wizard. Somehow your name makes me think of you.
xXkryptoniteXx - 3/12/2012, 7:41 PM
Salvation is good but it had so many potential, it's just the leak ending ruined people's experience. Another things is the PG-13 also killed it because you cannot make a terminator under that, it has to be rated R. That's what the franchise started as and has to go by, you only get older so make it mature. Also the beginning killed it, Marcus was suppose to be this mystery guy who has this crazy past, why did try reveal it in the beginning? To get the audience in more don't say it and it would have been there not revealing it at all on why his on death row.

When I re watch it I have this feeling it could have been better if ye director took the right approach that he pitch in the beginning. He should have got the balls to keep the original ending, sure you would have pissed alot of people but it would have grown to people after and it's a nice set up for a new trilogy. Btw of you didn't know the original ending, John Conner dies and Marcus takes john's skin so that he can keep the image of him that gives hope to the survivors. Only the ending had him kill everyone that's important, kyle, his wife and common's character and the girl. Cut to his eye's it turns red and that's the ending. It's a wtf ending but so good. Bale was actually mad at that, that McG didn't stick to the original ending.

This happened because the ending was leaked, people screw things up and it's best to be surprised then being spoiled.
flguitarguy - 3/12/2012, 8:19 PM
I liked the film. Thought it was a great next chapter and hope they make another one.
2gold - 3/12/2012, 8:43 PM
I thought it was ok, just didm't have that end of humanity vibe to me. It was so bright, wasn't bleak or dreary. Just didn't have that feeling.
JorEl77 - 3/12/2012, 9:01 PM
I think it was because they cut the Moon Bloodgood sex scene.
vtopa - 3/12/2012, 9:56 PM
This producer is a chicken shit. Bale's tantrum is the kind of stuff that happens on sets all the time. They just taped it. He apologized profusely later. Gimme a break.
Coloso - 3/12/2012, 10:06 PM
@Ror, I never agree with you on anything but on this one I do.

T1 set the standard for the franchise with story, atmosphere, and characters that still hold up today for it's all around badassnes.

I put T2 a close second for the better eye candy but T1 still beats it story wise. Every thing else just pales in comparison.
TheSoulEater - 3/12/2012, 10:25 PM
Movie was awesome
darkmetal - 3/12/2012, 11:32 PM
The release of BALE GOING OFF on the set wasn't released until JULY 09, 2 months after the movies release. You should check facts before printing this amateurish garbage! Also, BALE was very much right to jump the lightguys ass! McG is a bad director. He did nothing to control the set. Bale was working on a very chaotic set, and had no choice but to try to stop the guy himself. In the audio, McG is too weak to even speak up. Though people like to DISS Bale over the audio, those in the movie industry do not. How would you react if you signed onto a film that was a risk, train physically and are trying to work and do the best job you can, and you have SET GUYS playing around getting in the way? As for the films failure, it failed because it brought nothing to the screen that the majority of movie goers wanted to see-to be brief!
Jimdlux - 3/13/2012, 1:42 AM
They ought to "Special Edition" the original Terminator. I would love to see the scene where he is fixing his eye look better and to get rid of the stop frame animation...
laughterman26 - 3/13/2012, 2:05 AM
I liked terminator salvation, the ps3 game was gay.

AND I HAVE A QUESTION-
what would you rather take on terminators or zombies.
personally i would choose zombies cause thier easier to kill.But then again terminators can be turned against other terminators-soo...
Fabius - 3/13/2012, 2:07 AM
People who like Tsalvation, must don't really like T1/2, because if they really like they can see that TSalvation was so powerfull NOT respectfull of the mythologie of Terminator. Or buy another eyes.
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